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Omarbah: More than a half century later after the independence movement and more than century after serious contact with European civilization, our beloved continent lags when it comes to technological progress. Superstitions still remain in force even among the African elite. Passion rather than reason is still the norm. Cultural alienation is on the rise. Most Africans living in cities cannot speak their native language without borrowing words from the English or French language.
I've always wondered why were the Arabs after the advent of Islam able to build so much in the 300 years that ensued. Or why was the European renaissance such a success that they rule the world to this day despite being far behind China at the time. Why did the Koreans that had the same level of economic development as Cote d'Ivoire in the 50s and beginning of 60s were able to surpass them. In short why other cultures are able to assimilate science and technology at such pace and why are we failing to do the same on our continent. Even if we are doing it, one has to agree that the pace is really slow and at this rate we will never catch up with the rest of world.
Despite the cultural differences of the Arabs, Europeans and Asians, there is one similarity to the renaissance they witnessed. All of these groups made progress while maintaining their language. The Arabs translated books from Greek to Arabic to spread knowledge as much as they can. It is in Baghdad that Muslims founded their school of translation, every Greek book they could lay their hands on was translated to their language.
The Europeans will do the same. They will build up from the knowledge left by the Arabs and translated thousands of books in Latin. Constantine of Carthage of the Toledo School of Translators translated multiple texts on medicine including the Canons of Medecine of Avicenna. He went ahead and founded a School of Medicine to spread the knowledge. Frederick II of Palermo had in his court intellectuals that translated the work of Arab astronomer Al-Farghini and Ptolemy's Almagest. Some of the books translated to Latin originally came from Greek intellectuals but was lost in Europe and they had to translated them back to Latin from Arab to have access to the knowledge. This is to name of few. For those interested in the influence of Islam of the European renaissance, a simple google research will answer your questions.
And more recently, the Japanese, Koreans translated European books in their native languages. This has contributed greatly to the amazing technological progress they have witnessed.
All of these groups did the same thing, absorb science and technology but retain their culture. They translated works from other languages to theirs not only to ease the learning on their people but also to enrich their culture and language. That in my opinion among others, is something we, as Africans, need to do.
Could you imagine how much we can fight ignorance if learning science in Hausa, Lingala, Swahili, Fulfulde is encouraged?
What is your opinion? Why do you think we still lag behind others in science and technology?

Great post! There is so much wrong with Africa, it is just impossible to summarise. We will continue to be useless well into the future if we do not change back to how we were centuries/millennia ago.
I feel that we were on track but we changed. We let greed, hate and jealousy get the better of us. We let foreigners get the better of us. We scapegoated each other and let ourselves believe that the demise of our people is okay as long as it doesn't affect us directly. All of those great civilisations you mentioned had unity, trust and order in common.
If you think the current African states with their puppet leaders will accomplish anything then I suggest you rethink that. These so-called leaders do not work for the betterment of their people, they're the cancerous cell among us. They all cut dirty deals with foreigners before coming to power. It takes a real man to stand up to those fvckers and even then you will be betrayed by your closest friend. Take a look at what happened to Thomas Sankara as an example of how corrupt and greedy we can be just to get on the good side of a past colonial master. Blaise Compaoré cut dirty deals with France and undid everything Sankara fought for.

If you truly believe that being underneath another person gets you anywhere then you will remain there, until you realise that you are better than that and maybe you should be the one on top. Africans will remain underneath other people until they believe that they can create, achieve and do more than the Europeans/Arabs/Asians. The sad truth is that Africans either not ready for change or they don't want to change, they'd rather read the local newspaper and have their corrupt government officials tell them that things are going well despite people dying of hunger in front of them on a daily basis.

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Putin addressing the table: "You want President
Bashar al-Assad to step down? Look at the leaders
you've made in the Middle East in the course of
what you have dubbed the 'Arab Spring'." Putin addressing Obama, Cameron and Hollande:
"You want Russia to abandon Assad and his regime
and go along with an opposition whose leaders don't
know anything except issuing fatwas declaring
people heretics, and whose members - who come
from a bunch of different countries and have multiple orientations - don't know anything except
how to slaughter people and eat human flesh." Putin addressing Obama directly: "Your country
sent its army to Afghanistan in the year 2001 on the
excuse that you are fighting the Taliban and the al-
Qaeda organization and other fundamentalist
terrorists whom your government accused of
carrying out the 11 September attacks on New York and Washington. And here you are today making an
alliance with them in Syria. And you and your allies
are declaring your desire to send them weapons.
And here you have Qatar in which you [the US]
have your biggest base in the region and in the
territory of that country the Taliban are opening a representative office." The best part is that German Chancellor Angela
Merkel then corroborated Putin's every word. And
Chinese President Xi Jinping certainly would have
done the same.

Heil Comrade Putin & Frau Merkel

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Hey frero try to understand three concepts

Chronology
BCE
CE

When we are talking about our arrival in eastern Africa around 500-400BCE you are talking about Arabs in the 15th century , as you can see we are not talking about the same thing talk less about the same period ...the Bantu presence in Tanzania kenya, Rwanda, Burundi has nothing to do with Arabs the even more recent Swahili kingdom existed prior them or any western country, now if you want to make a case about the land being empty when we came I will b glad to hear from u ...as far I'm concerned and as far logic is concerned that was cushictic and Nilotic homeland

Now me quoting her had nothing to do with her reply or my ''friend'' reply

I understand what you're saying very well but this is what you don't understand, we were no where near Kenya or south Somalia until very recently and that's why your stupendous claim that your people civilised us is utter BS.

It seems like you don't know the difference between Khoisan people and cushites. Khoisan people were absorbed and displaced by the Bantu expansion.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: woman

She's good huh

Your friend shouldn't accuse people of distorting facts when he's doing exactly that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefjqfI64dk

Fulaman198: I dream about Fulani unity. There already is a Fulani country kind of with Guinea. They have about a 45% Fulani population. I would like to unite[b] the entire west African region.[/b]

That's very ambitious. Has there ever been an initiative that wanted to unite all Fulanis in W/Africa under one flag?

Unlike you I couldn't give a toss about east Africa, our neighbours have been undermining us for too long and we only have one ally there. The others breathe because of the Somali blood being spilt.

Do you ever dream of a Fulani country where you guys are the dominant ethnicity? A bit like how the ultimate Somali dream is to unite all Somali lands across East Africa.

GERALD710: Gulay conquered Axum and made it a Vassal state.That does not mean that Somalis moved to the Ethiopian Highlands!!!.For starters No one is even sure Gulay was a Somali and not a Hebasha Muslim. A vassal state does not equal settlement.The Spanish ruled the Netherlands as a vassal state.No Spanish ever settled there. Rome ruled Egypt as a vassal state.They didn't settle there!!
The Omanis also got help from Turkish Pirates.That does not mean that the Ottoman Empire ever ruled East Africa or the likes of Ali Bey ever settled in East Africa.Nkt.You have funny reasoning skills!!

Imam Ahmed was in fact Somali, most of his army Generals and soldiers were Somali. He didn't conquer Axum, he conquered the Amharic kingdom of Abyssinia.
The Ethiopian highlands consist of many mountain ranges, just 80 years ago Somalis used to live beyond the Bale region which is also part of the Ethiopian highlands. A small strip of land separated the Somalis and Amhara. Menelik and Haile Selassie absorbed many Somali clans, evicted the rest from that region and gave it to the Oromo.

Imam Ahmed did not create Adal, he came to power when the Emperor Naod installed a tyrant puppet leader at Adal. Ifat and Adal were both larger and more powerful states than their mother state; the Walashma dynasty.

The Somalis did help the Omanis and my proof is in this book: Portuguese rule and Spanish crown in South Africa. Read it before making ignorant comments.

GERALD710: I happen to be from Mombasa and a Swahili to boot.We have never ever ever been ruled by Somalis!!!
We know our history very well.
325 B.C Roman and Greek settlement
4.A.D The town of Lamu is founded by Persian (known as Shirazi in Kenya).
70A.D Arab immigration to East Africa begins
700 A.D Swahili tribes emerge
1000 A.D Bantu settlement on the ridges of the Coast but not on the Coast itself
1100 A.D Islamic wars lead to mass Arab immigration from Yemen to Barawe Lamu Kilwa Mombasa and Sofala
1200 A.D Mombasa established by 12 Swahili tribes and Arab traders
1300 A.D Swahilis emerge as a distinct ethnic group stretching from Barawe in Somalia to Sofala in Mozambique and establish City states.We are a Bantu speaking tribe with an Arab and Persian lineage.Swahilis are not related to Somalis and at no time. were Swahilis ruled by Somalis!!! By Arabs Yes.By Somalis.Dream on!!
The opposite is true.Swahilis lorded over the Somalis of Barawe and Kismayu for 4 centuries.
1500 A.D East African coast under Portuguese domination .
1690-1700s. Omani Arabs expell Portuguese and subdue local Arab Swahili Rebellion.
Establishment of the Zanzibar Sultanate
Mass immigration to Mombasa Malindi Zanzibar and Pemba from Oman and Yemen between 1700 and 1896.
The British Establish a Protectorate over Zanzibar Sultanate.
Now.Where were the Somalis here?
Mombasa's first Somali family came during the Colonial Period.
Places like Lamu despite being next to Somalia and Garissa County have only seen Somalis in 1991.As refugees!! Most Swahilis may share the Muslim religion with Somalis but culturally we are very different
Stop Claiming our Civilisation and that of the Coastal Arabs as yours.Sofala in Mozambique to this day is full of Swahilis and Arabs.No Somalis

Ok you are getting too far ahead of yourself, no one is claiming Arabs here. All I said was that the Omani Sultan received help from the Ajuuraan when they liberated the east African coast and I have proof that supports my claim.
It is plain and simple English. As I said the Ajuuraan rule didn't even reach the present day border between Kenya and Somalia.

GERALD710: First of all,the Ethiopian Highlands have been settled by only 2 Cushitic groups,the Oromo and Sindamo and both arrived in the 16th Century.
There is no evidence of Somalis ever settling in the Ethiopian Highlands.The Amhara and Tigrinya who have lived in the Highlands for over 3000 years only saw Somalis in the Islamic era.
The Ajuraan Empire never reached Kenya,let alone Tanzania .That empire began in Ogaden in the 13th Century and later expanded to the Jubba Valley.Somalis arrived in Kenya only after all the all the Oromo had moved to the Ethiopian Highlands and to Northern Kenya in the 17th Century.
And please.Do not try to distort the history of my people.The people who liberated the East African coast (My ancestors)from Portuguese Domination were the Omani Arabs from Muscat who later established the Zanzibar Sultanate. Somalis played no role in that.
And Bantus did wipe out Cushites in their migrations.
The Kikuyu absorbed the Athi who were a cushitic group in Central Kenya.
Today,the Sanye have more bantu blood than Cushitic.
The Boni have been largely Swahilinised and the Dahalo are now extinct as a group.

The Ethiopian highlands was not only settled by Somalis, we conquered two-thirds of it under Imam Ahmed Guray. The Habesha and Somalis were fighting each other even before the Islamic era which proves the proximity of the two groups. Habeshas are only synonymous with the Simien mountains and the land north and west of it.
Sidamo people are mixed hence why their region is part of the Southern peoples region today.

The Ajuuraan empire started from the coast and not the Ogaden region but they expanded both to the South and West. The Ajuuraan jurisdiction might have ended inside present day Somalia but they reached Mozambique by sea let alone Kenya and Tanzania.
The Omani sultan asked the Ajuuraan for help against the Portuguese, in 1660 when a Portuguese held Mombasa surrendered, they faced a joint Omani-Somali force. The following decades, the Omanis and Ajuuraan also liberated Pate and Kilwa.

I have no clue on who the Athi, Sanye and Dahalo are but I'll get back to you on that.

Edit: A quick search on Google revealed that Dahalo and Sanye come under the Khoisan cluster group.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Somalis are not 100millions thats first of voice
Somalis are in ethiopia as a minority and they never controlled anything

Axum controlled Yemen and Axum is Ethiopian ESP Amhara+oromo no single Somalis dynasty sat on Axum throne stop leeching on Ethiopia they hate u guys to the bone ,the battle of Ogaden illustrates that Ethiopian see u guys as vandals and bandas

Ethiopians like the ones with plates on their lips? Right , btw i don't know how Somalis look like and don't want to know, your look is the last of my concern, stop mentioning my people that's all

The Axumite rulers were Tigrigna. Despite being the rulers of the land, the Christians didn't have much influence on Somalis who were followers of Waaq back then. The Oromo ethnicity is completely made up and only a few centuries old. For example, the name Oromo wasn't their original name, it was Galla. Historians are still conflicted on what it means.

The 1977-78 war was started by Somalia and we had a right to. We actually defeated an Ethiopian army at least three times the size of the Somali National Army but in the end the USSR, Libya, South Yemen and Cuba joined the war. Obviously the SNA were overwhelmed and we lost the war. Some Ethiopian tribes are our natural enemies while some are our allies; Afars and Tigrayans of Eritrea.
Keep an eye on the Ethiopian elections coming up, we might regain our lost territory with out even lifting a finger.

Waari mayside war hakaa hadho - You won’t last so leave a legacy.

Rag waxaa u liita ma toshe, ma tashade iyo ma tashishe - The lowest of men is he who never sews, never consults and never economizes ( There is no social value for he who can’t consult his mind, can’t manage his assets wisely or can’t help himself otherwise).

Nin ann dhul marini dhaayo maleh - He who has not traveled has no understanding (travel enhances one’s experience and wisdom).

Meel waa laga muuqdaa ama waa laga maqnaadaa - At your niche, either make your presence known or stay away (be active or better be absent).

Sirow ma hodmo - A deceiver never prospers ( a cheater never succeeds).

Samataliye sedkii waa janno - To advise good is true faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2bBZvSPpOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMhN-hfMtY

axum: Wallahi am not on any other forums, only this one.

There are Many Somalis who think the way I do, actually the vast majority to some degree share my views.

Ofcourse I am intelligent, because I am Somaaaaaaliiiiii

I take that back, you're a dumb mofo and you're trying too hard.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: so you converted him back lol

No, we stopped talking about religion then after a few years he chose to come back to Islam.

JiggamanGh: Oh okay, Africans needs to be less religious and stop saying "God will provide" and start providing for themselves.

God will provide but God also gave us abled bodies and the capability to provide for our families.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: peers pressure?

No, if anything he would challenge me to a debate all the time when he first converted. One time after we had a heated discussion, I told him to respect my religion and after that we barely spoke about it. He chose to revert back on his own.

JiggamanGh: There are somali atheist? I thought most somalis were die hard Muslims

I wouldn't say die hard Muslims but we are predominantly Muslim.
One of my closest friends was an atheist, he reverted back to Islam after 3 years.

slament: With the rate of Instragram Madness and the world of selfies..
This Crazy Guy Runs Into Outback Tornado to Just Take Selfie.
This Happened in Australia.....
What are your Thoughts


Video Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFkQ-rhfrHg

Lmfao *hewwwge*

KenyanLady: He has a monkey skull head, a typical unmixed African head.

https://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/249146/coach-q-effin-unbelievable-o.gif

Please show us a picture of you're glorious un-monkey-like skull

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Somalian atheist? Plenty , this needs to b seen

It's Somali, not Somalian. Please get it right. I fvcken hate being called Somalian.

Somali atheists are so in-your-face like they will change a casual conversation about the weather to a full blown debate about God and religion.

Fulaman198: Yeah there are plenty of Atheists in general (not saying it's a bad thing). But it's ridiculous how many people are following his way of talking/typing these days. It's despicable. It just goes to show you that human beings copy bad things instead of copying good things.

You do realise his whole purpose on NL is to mess with people and to make people angry. He knows that among this religious bunch of Africans, saying "I'm God" is considered a big sin. He'll go to extreme measures just to piss people off.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: exactly, I prefer the term African

Most Africans suffer from inferiority complex, and always need the approval of others group of people
I don't see Asians going around calling themselves yellow , yellow pride or whatever , there is no such thing as black or white race

But I believe the black bs is pushed by black American Afro centrists , they are the ones pushing it trying to lump us in the same box ,they need it the most they are clutureless without ethnic groups so they identify with their '' color'' + the fact that they live in a white supremacist environment

LOL @ yellow pride

I see where it comes in hand but still African American sounds much better than just black.

Fulaman198: I agree that he is intelligent and he has displayed some impressive cunning abilities by using divide and conquer tactics here on NL (have you noticed the influx on how many people use the term "Bantu" now because of him? He has succeeded at brainwashing some people on this forum and making them feel inferior that they now copy the way he acts/behaves.

In any case, I'm sure he's on at least 20 forums becoming the King of Trolling on each one. I mean how can someone say they are God.....maybe he really believes that he is somehow God.

I've noticed that lol he's become a troll and a reformer here on NL. As for calling himself God, he could be a Somali atheist, there are plenty of those these days.

EnlightenedSoul: Lolll he's on Stormfront?

Yeah he admitted to that himself. Why do you think he loves being called Hamitic/Caucasian... He's a world class dayuus

CAMNEWTON4PRES: True

What is a funny is that we dont have color classification in our countries , so why is that in my country I must mention my ethnic group and region of origin but suddenly abroad I must see the world in black and white?

Then again the Asian did everything for then yellow crap to b dropped but whenever an African says he's his ethnic group people says inferiority complex, the words whites ,black Caucasians are modern creation and my ethnic group is older than that

If only Africans understood that, we could once and for all get rid of terms such as 'negroid' and 'the black race'.

Fulaman198: Her low IQ level is just appalling I feel like I'm arguing with a child. It's even worse than........wait for it..............Axum/Ayanle

I actually believe Axum is a quite intelligent guy, he acts that way so people won't sus out his real identity that gives him a free pass to talk out of his ars.e and The guy must be bored as fvck, he's on Stormfront, NL, Somalinet and God knows how many other forums he's a member of

Fulaman198: Dude she is proud to have mixed kids (I mean who announces they have mixed children randomly in a profile). Complete inferiority complex.

She must be the female version of Uncle Ruckus lol

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Artank you failed when you mentioned the British , my Somalian brother you and I are not talking about the same thing , I don't know how many times I should tell you that , you need to understand chronology, do you even understand what's BCE and CE?

I think I gave enough time to this issue

We are talking about the same thing. My point is that since we migrated from the north, our expansion is very recent hence why I made reference to those books. The first time Somalis and Bantus came across each other was sometime in the 13th century.

KenyanLady: I am of mixed ethnicity Meru and Kikuyu, but I don't look like my ethnicity I've had so much cosmetic surgery, I can pass as a mixed race woman now.

You're ashamed of your skin colour smh

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@Camnewton4pres

Let's get the facts right here

1. Somalis never came across Bantus prior to their expansion. Somalis along with our other Cushtic cousins migrated from Southern Egypt to the Ethiopian highlands, Djibouti and Northern Somalia, where we built ancient kingdoms, city states and empires. The ruins of these ancient civilisations are still visible today.

2. I don't know the kind of bogus history books you've read but there is no single document that supports your argument; that Bantu people conquered land from us but I can find tons of books from the British colonial era that clearly shows Bantus complaining about Somalis and begging the British to stop the Somali expansion.

3. The only time Somalis set foot in Tanzania and Mozambique was when the Ajuuraan empire along with the Omani sultan liberated your people from the Portuguese. The Portuguese reconquered the southern east African coast later.

4. The semi arid lands that Somalis inhabit today were lush green valleys once, no one pushed us there rather we migrated to that land from the north.

5. Jamame, Kismayu, Garissa, Serenley, Liboi and many other towns in southern Somalia/northern Kenya were evidently Bantu towns hence those names. I can't think of any Bantu towns which carry Somali names that may hint a Bantu expansion on Somali land.