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Speechless3:
If there is truth, how can logic be subjective? If i provide evidence for a thing, cant you choose to still dismiss it as illogical if your standard of reasoning is different from mine? According to you, what i consider logical may be illusion to you and vice versa.

My take being, until we have unshakeable proof/evidence of the truth, everything else is subjective. Each individual retains the right to thread his/her path based on available reasoning! As u rightly said, ur logic can be my illusion.

Speechless3:
Logic is relative If thats the case, there is no truth. All we have are opinions. Agree?

Definitely! Walking in my shoes n all that. Though, d way u stated it; "all we have are opinions", makes it sound nonsensical.

There is a Truth, we just don't have physical unshakeable evidence of it.

Its just illogical that we have pple(atheists) who have never experienced, directly or indirectly, confounding unexplained events(miracles)?

Teempakguy:
Okay. let me treat this in a numbered list.

1. yes. Since logic is objective, it follows that it's results should be universally acclaimed . . . IF the premises were objective. this is why mathematics and philosophy are different. both fields use logic extensively. but mathematics uses objective premises. whereas, Philosophy uses subjective ones. as you can see, mathematics is widely accepted. but philosophy is thoroughly debated. even by philosophers themselves.

2. All humans believe that there is something responsible for design. ironically, both theists and atheists believe the universe we now live in was designed. the argument is based on the motion that the designer is a super intelligent, super powerful, and passive-agressive personal God that originated from ancient Mesopotamia.
I will repeat this Again for emphasis. The Atheist argument is not that the universe was designed by nothing. It is that it was not designed by who or what you think designed it. I.e Your God. This is exactly how you feel about the 4299 other religions in the world except yours. Atheists only take it one step further.

3. To be fair, frank317 did not say that he would believe that nothing was responsible, he said he would ask his friend IF it was he who was responsible for the scattered room.

4. the case of the sand castle was brought up to showcase the difference in the thought process of the theist vs the atheist. It was not meant to be the piéta of examples. And I recall I did not assert that the theist would assume that it was the product of high intelligence. I said the theist would argue that the sand castle was an human project.

5. He is being logical. there is a good logical explanation for him believing his friend was responsible. his friend has access to his room. his friend is an untidy person. he comes home one day and finds the room untidy. this can only be made by someone who has access to the room, and who is willing to make it untidy. All evidence points to his friend as the culprit. And a well known logical tool known as occam's razor is on his side.
But then, he still refuses to make a conclusive opinion until he ASKS his friend if he is responsible. what would be Illogical, for example, would be frank assuming that his village witches are responsible for the mess.

6. well, I know there is a disagreement between atheists and theists because of past experiences. but that's just how my brain works. you can discern disagreements with logic. one negates the other. you can also discern disagreements by feeding the issue to a computer. It will not be able to process it.

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Logic is, as always, objective. it is the subjective premises that we put into it, that result in the subjective conclusions we arrive at. and these will always be subjective.. not because logic is, but because we are.

Who said God originated in Mesopotamia?

Concerning Frank; what should he believe if his friend denies involvement with a solid alibi? This Frank story can go on n on, and u then arrive at that point where its either d village witches(Theism) or wait for physical evidence(Atheism) of what actually happened!

Speechless3:
Good. Will assuming nothing is the cause be sensible?

I believe in a supreme entity, though I don't believe, I must practice any religion to access IT.

Sensible/Logical is relative.

HardMirror:
Just listen to yourself.
"The religious man thinks with his head, the atheist thinks with his heart because he feels offended by god..."
Geez! You must be really shallow minded o. What is think with head and heart? What do you mean by "offended by god" which god?
Lol.
If I see an abandoned car, I don't assume anything. Hope that answers your question.
If you ask me how the car got there and I don't know how it got there, I will tell you, "I don't know". Stop assuming things on my behalf

If u see an abandoned car, u assume a lot of things! That's what humans do. What u reply now depends on who wants to know.

To a policeman- I don't know
To ur son/friends/family- u postulate away, and even investigate.
To the gullible- u drag up supernatural connotations.

Most likely, ur son will grow up believing whatever sh-t postulation u come up with, until he happens upon d ans or passes same sh-t to his off-spring.

When u dig deep, u discover, no-one is sure of anything, so whatever they choose to believe in, is at their discretion.

Its amazing how IPOB/wailers hold on to any criticism of d PMB govt, such ghouls!

They are d first to shout dictatorship, yet want a Tanzania like rule?

PMB said no more disobeying traffic rules, they were screaming eye service!

PMB is trying to catch looters legally, they are crying witch-hunt!

Pls, make up ur minds on what u want! Its either u'll wait patiently for changi to manifest, if it doesn't, vote PMB out in 2019, or pack down to Tanzania till then! Dazzol!

For ur info, GMB was smuggling looters in 1983! Using whips to instill discipline! Cancelled foreign imports to try encourage local industries! All these and much more, but wailers like u were jubilating when he was overthrown, now when he claims to be a reformed democrat(which u'll still insist is a lie) u're comparing him to a lesser version of his 1983 self??! B.S.

Joe4lv:
Can someone just help me ask the op what he took before coming here to type what even him can't explain?

Please, op, explain in clear terms what you meant by your topic.

Thank you so much.

In simple english, d entrepreneurs are those benefiting from d dollar crunch, and those from d south-east are d best entrepreneurs in naija! And, who, unfortunately are all for biafra!

Hmmm... Ladies, is this true? Speech-less ti take over!

Signs you are bad at oral
sex

Most men believe they are good at
giving MouthAction but a lot of women out
there will say that have rarely (or never)
encountered any man who completely
wow’ed them in the cunnilingus
department.
So, this obviously mean men are not as
good as they think. Since women are not
likely to bruise a man’s ego by saying he is
terrible at giving head, it might be difficult
to know for sure how you are doing?
Not to worry though, if you are observant,
her attitude and body language will let you
know if you truly are the HEADmaster.
1. She avoids it: If she gives you excuses
when you offer her head, then you must
not be very good. This only applies if you
have given her head before, because, if
she has never had one, she might just be
uncomfortable. But if she gave you one
chance, pretended she had a blast and
refuses next time you ask, then it was not
very good.
2. She tells you to stop: There is no
reason, short of an explosion, that a woman
receiving good head will ask you to stop.
Even if she say says something like, ‘I can’t
handle the pleasure, it’s too much,’ she is
only trying not to make you feel bad. I
mean, let’s be honest, if you were receiving
the best Mouth Action of your life, will you be
willing to tell her to stop for any reason?
3. She is coherent: A woman in the
deepest stage of pleasure (which is usually
achieved during MouthAction) is never coherent.
She would find it difficult to make words
that make sense. At this point, her brain is
turned off and you will find that she just
says gibberish or even use some shocking
words. But if she sounds ‘sober’ and says
words like ‘Yeah baby,’ ‘I like that baby,’ ‘give
it to me’, etc, then she might only be
repeating porn star quotes just to keep you
happy.
4. She does not ask for it: If you are giving
her good head, she will keep asking for it.
No one is tired of a good thing. If she never
brings it up but makes the ‘right’ moves
when you do it, it means she is probably
pretending. A good head is rare, so
whenever she gets one that is amazing, she
will definitely keep asking for it.
5. Her toes don’t curl: Or her body don’t
clench, or she does not grip the sheets, or
arch her back, basically, subtle signs that
tell you you are hitting the right spots. If
all she does is moan but her body seems
relaxed, then you are not rocking her
world.
6. It lasts less than 5 minutes: A true
master at cunnilingus will tell you it is not
something that is over in a minute. There
are so much techniques that go into it that
anything less than 5 minutes is not enough
to get her to the promise land.
7. You use your teeth: Unless you are
absolutely sure what you are doing, if you
are bringing your teeth to her vagina, you
are terrible at MouthAction. The vagina is
extremely sensitive, so when you ‘attack’ it
with vigorous moves, you are doing it
wrong.
8. She does not orgasm: A very high
percentage of women only orgasm during
MouthAction so if all your penile thrusts does
not make her cum, you should get better at
MouthAction ASAP. If she does not cum while
you are eating her out, then you are
completely wasting your time.



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Motherfucker2:
This is why you should remain in Nigeria forever.
If a someone breaks into your house in Texas USA and steals your $100 million , 70 Ferrari and $900 billion worth of gold, what would you do if you catch him ?? Set him ablaze ??
Under the Texas law, you will be getting the death penalty.
You can only kill people in Nigeria and no one will question you because Nigeria is a third world country

Bro, if u're smart, u kill him n claim self defence! Let witnesses come out! Even d one wey no thief, dem kill am still escape conviction(dat young hoodie boy in florida). So, pls, sh-t happens evrywhere! Na b4 u fit dey use oyibo tins dey bobo us, internet done level ground!

I even remember d case of d lady who shot at a shoplifter. Although, she missed sha, but she was jst warned!

PMB has insisted on not devaluing the naira and has already removed several items from officially receiving forex.

Now, businesses and importers who bring in foreign items av had to source for forex at exorbitant sums or look for "local alternatives".

Who are d leaders in d production of these local alternatives if not ur typical IPOB businessman? Those guys in Lagos, Aba, Onitsha, Kano are selling out and running out of stock! With all these excess income, brought about by PMB's refusal to devalue or inject dollars into d economy, the businessmen av funds to inject into IPOB activities and probably extend/expand their local alternatives initiative and region!

Though, it must be said dat majority of d importers are still IPOB members.

PMB has insisted on not devaluing the naira and has already removed several items from officially receiving forex.

Now, businesses and importers who bring in foreign items av had to source for forex at exorbitant sums or look for "local alternatives".

Who are d leaders in d production of these local alternatives if not ur typical IPOB businessman? Those guys in Lagos, Aba, Onitsha, Kano are selling out and running out of stock! With all these excess income, brought about by PMB's refusal to devalue or inject dollars into d economy, the businessmen av funds to inject into IPOB activities and probably extend/expand their local alternatives initiative and region!

Though, it must be said dat majority of d importers are still IPOB members.

Tunami:
gathering of men of propanganda, the slayers of Gej.

Emancipate urselves frm mental slavery, non but ourselves can free our mind ...

Don't quote wat doesn't mean sh*t to u! Its an abomination to quote d legend n yet believe in d propaganda of d previous adminstration! I even thought d buffoon would av replied (Liar) Mohammed on his arms rebuttal!

989900:
It was largely artificial to start with: fraud, racketeering, profiteering, hoarding, and e.t.c.

Shame on all those experts, especially Sanusi, calling for the devaluation of the Naira . . . they were fueling panic buying and hoarding.

Kudos to PMB for keeping steadfast: "I will not devalue the Naira", in the face of all the ridicule and pressures, both domestic and foreign.
SMH@all this Ivy-league schooled fraudsters without street training .

I guess the little nudge in crude prices, the CBN returning the BDC's deposits (indicating it is truly over), and the rallying of all Nigerians both public and private helped too -- we are still a far, far, way from home though.

See my brother with (un)commonsense! Bless u!

Such atrocities were allowed to stand, and some fools still prefer such ineffectual govt??!

Ecoterrorism:
You are damn brilliant. This is what a lot of people don't know about the law. I took time out to read a lot of legal fiction growing up and I know that its not what people think but rather what the law says

Evidence found in d course of investigations? And who says d efcc avnt got an affidavit to access d said phone records n bank statements? Do u tink any self respecting telecommunications n banking firm will release such info without legal backing? Patience is a virtue.

luvinhubby:
You dey mind that one.

Buhari is working because Obiano exported Ugu vegetables.
The Chinese are leveraging on GEJ's automobile policy while Buhari continues his loitering.

I believe u would be happy if PMB had scraped all d uncompleted projects of that buffoon? D said buffoon couldn't even complete any of Obj's project, yet una no go see all dat one! Critics na part of life sha, n PMB no send anybody, talkless of dem mama!

Alxmyr:
God bless you my brother.
But the blessing will only become permanent if you can say Amen to this short prayer.
May God change your life the way Buhari has changed Nigeria in the last 8 months.

Amen!

lielbree:
The president him self is also to resign. And credit should be given to the NASS cos it was only when the budget got to them that all these defects became open

That's check n balances! Yet, a minister should be sacrificed any which way! Haven't heard from Udoma in a while! With all his jumping up and down, his's been shown to be incompetent!

peacengine:
Innocent civil servants loosing jobs for a budget that was planned, prepared, and passed by the President and his ministers

Now compare d number of civil servants sacked to d number of jobless youths n hungry families(over 5m), whose access to a welfare package has been delayed due to their inefficiencies/incompetence?

Do u imagine what could happen if those hordes were let loose on them? Some have been praying for God to remove all obstacles from their path to the welfare package, they constituted a hindrance and now must pay d price.

chudionu58:
Stop desperately trying to be half intelligent my friend, IPPIS is and has always being an ongoing thing with respect to the management of personnel payrolls (mind you 215 MDAs have being integrated as at 2013; more expected to be added gradually) http://worldstagegroup.com/index.php?active=news&newscid=9656&catid=2 The BVN would always enhance it's function once it's concluded going forward, so you and your super clueless kemi should just keep quiet and silently but diligently continue the implementation of the very innovative idea from the people you empty, ignorant and hateful idiots would love to despise.... Did I hear you say that something bad happened in "Dec 2015" under saint Buhari?... Hmmmm!

What really gets me mentally raging, is when supposedly intelligent beings like u come up with all sorts of excuse to defend crime! To see morally deficient individuals lay claim on intelligence is galling!

U're pretending ignorance to all d financial atrocities that are being laid bare in d NSA, NIMASA, NNPC etc. Even d so called financial guru came into public space n claimed she withdrew $2b from d ECA with an approval from d clueless one(which part of d constitution gave him such powers)

theeagleonline.com.ng/jonathan-gave-me-approval-to-withdraw-2b-from-eca-okonjo-iweala/.

She den went ahead to claim she personally approved $322m to d office of d NSA for arms(which constitution gave her d right to appropriate such)

www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/194870-how-jonathan-okonjo-iweala-illegally-diverted-n61-4-billion-abacha-loot-to-nsa-sambo-dasuki.html.

And instead of shutting up in shame, u come on social media to support them n claim intelligence?!!!

sdindan:
The wait naaw! you go old.
Nobody is going to jail

Patience na virtue.

chudionu58:
Keep quiet jare! shameless lots, Gej couldn't make what work? What he created?? APC goats and their propaganda!
http://theeagleonline.com.ng/fg-uncovers-46000-ghost-workers-saves-n119b/
Meanwhile, enjoy what someone you hated said that your stupid gods in Abuja never countered.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/09/okonjo-iwealas-innovations-led-to-tsa-ippis-says-jonathan/

Ok, so d past FG removed 46000, and added 23000, or how come d present FG was still able to find 23000 ghost workers?

Who do u really tink is shameless- someone supporting a criminal enterprise or someone supporting d team cleaning up d mess of a criminal enterprise?

Just incase u didn't hear, 300workers where added to d ippis scheme without due process in dec 2015! How is dat possible with a supposedly infallible scheme?

specco:
Do we have a finance minister? What's her name? Haven't heard of her before now. Overwhelmed is putting it mildly. She doesn't know what to do. The complexity of Nigerian economy is just beyond her. NOI bestrode it like a collosus and tried to tame it and she succeded but all hell was let loose the moment she left. Dollar is racing to N400. Can't we call her back? Just my 2 cents.

Seriously, wat are u smoking? She bestrode wat? Can u pls, point d present govt to all d savings she made while d going was good? Under her, evrytin was depleted( ECA, SWF, FRs). So, u actually tink more of her BS is d ans?

chudionu58:
Look at how APC online idiots are making reference to IPPIS and BVN as if they could have innovated such if they weren't there in the first place. Shame! your so-called savings are products of the creations of the Jonathan's government....Triple shame!!!

GEJ's govt created dem, how come dey couldn't make dem work? And IPPIS has been compromised. Or u ment TSA?

chudionu58:
Look at how APC online idiots are making reference to IPPIS and BVN as if they could have innovated such if they weren't there in the first place. Shame! your so-called savings are products of the creations of the Jonathan's government....Triple shame!!!

And wat do PDP idiots tink of APC formulating their own savings format, while throwing out d buffoon's? Who looses? D govt or d masses? Waiting arnd for d corrupt legislative to pass such bills?

tuniski:
It is not the scarcity of forex occasioned by drop in petroleum revenue that we can't understand but, the rookie approach to solving it both in the Short to Medium term!
Accepting a buhari's position instead of pulling weight to ensure buhari listens is the problem.

If rumours are to be believed, she was never ment to hold dat post. But, d supposed heir apparent was celebrating b4 induction. Personally, I tink PMB wants to 1st do sometin abt kwaruption, b4 letting his ministers loose on d polity. Checks n balances in place, so their feasting won't be as damaging as previously xperienced.

sdindan:
Brown envelope journalist
quote me whenever $1 = N1

Hopefully, we'll both still be alive. But, we'll get to see some goats actually go to jail.

tuniski:
is the economy dumb? That tells u how overwhelmed kemi is!

Where is she supposed to get foriegn exchange? Imagine her alleged savings during an oil boom like was available in d past.

D present downturn is due to d scarcity of foreign exchange. She can only try to close leaks, implement efficiency, recover stolen loots n pray oil prices rise again or d change agenda actually works! Fiscal responsibility!

baralatie:
Exactly it was sunnybobo that wrote house rent in the budget in aso rock for PMB to pay and a whole FM was looking for oyegun and lai to comment!
The beauty of the budget fraud is that budget ,a budget that was looked into at an FEC meeting of which she attended and agreed by members of the FEC is now saying it was the wailers on naira land that sabotaged their own ApC administration budget!
Very funny o!
that lie no get season two

So, who says wailers are only on nairaland?

baralatie:
The annoying thing is in her tenure as FM she watched as FEC submitted the most fraudulent budget in the history of Nigeria!

Even if d saboteurs are wailers, how did d ministers miss it?!