₦airaland Forum

MikeCZAR:
Did Thailand take part in the exercise?

Yes.

jln115:
He was being sarcastic re,tard.

He was being Butt Hurt by our complete demolition of the Gripen....retaard.

ssaengine:
I find it amazing that it took Nairaland (not other experienced military institutions such as Janes) just 2 days to expose to the WORLD that Gripen CANNOT do basic combat maneuvers. It cannot do what it was designed to do. By detailed analysis of videos and crashes, members of this forum have exposed the lies of SAAB. I am truelly, honestly impressed.

It was exposed in 1989 crash and confirmed again in 2008 crash......and I have been shouting screaming about it on Nairaland since two years ago ! I always said repeatedly that Gripen maneuverability is same as F-7 jet.

Countries buy Gripen are paying $68 million for political, commercial, or criminal reasons.....

1. Sweden bought 75% of all Gripens because they manufacture it. Political.

2. South Africa bought highest number of Gripen exports yet, because manufacturer bribed them. Criminal.

3. Brazil is buying Gripen jet in exchange for Sweden buying about 100 Brazilian made Super Tucanos. Commercial.

4. Czech bought Gripen on lease agreement. Commercial

5. Hungary bought Gripen on lease agreement. Commercial

The nations refusing to buy Gripen have seen things, India, Denmark, Norway....long list of those who evaluated Gripen and ran away.

Why pay $68 million for a jet that has same maneuverability with F-7 jet ? Who want's to be a fool ?
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saengine:
In conclusion all countries that fly Gripen jets should sell them as scrap, and rather buy JF-17's. All operators of F-16's should also sell them and rather buy JF-17's. Infact all airforces around the world looking at purchasing "non stealth" aircraft should all purchase JF-17's. With Nigeria's current 2 squadrons of this amazing aircraft, they have shown the world how efficient this platform it is.

#Gripen Owners Surrender To JF-`17
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mzilakazi:
PEOPLE, NIGERIA HAS ZERO JUNK FIGHTER AND SOUTH AFRICA HAS 26 GRIPEN JETS. WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS FORTH GENERATION FIGHTERS WITH THIS MAN CALLED @AGAUGUST, WHO IS FROM A COUNTRY THAT HAS NONE OF SUCH THINGS?

LET US STOP TO ELONGATE THIS DISCUSSION AND END IT RIGHT AWAY. LET US KEEP OUR 26 GRIPENS AND @AGAUGUST KEEP HIS ZERO JUNK FIGHTERS.

LOL...Clown !

NAF has completed tests, analysis, inspection, and evaluation of JF-17 Thunder and after personally evaluation the jet as a currently flying combat pilot, the Chief Of Air staff has selected the aircraft and just some months ago submitted a purchase recommendation for 25 to 40 units of JF-17 Thunder, then is close to signing the contract of sale according to Janes Defence report and Pakistani government confirmation.

Your South African friends here are panicking and decided to pitch the JF-17 against your own Gripen so that they can assess the new air superiority Nigeria will have over them.....preparing for the imminent new enemy......
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Henry120:
Buhahahahaha........ you desperado!!!

You only have 9 Gripen Pilots in SAAF service.

I always said NO SINGLE SAAF Gripen pilot is combat qualified, they do NOT have the standard flying hours for combat skills.

SAAF is disqualified from participating in currently ongoing June 2015 Exercise Lion Effort organized by SAAB manufacturers
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jln115:
But did they die?

American F-16 jet pilots die in their crashes.

We are comparing aircraft not pilots....did the jets die....yes the junk Gripens crashed, died and will NEVER fly again

Gripen pilots are always ready to push the emergency eject button since they learnt their lesson in 1989 crash.

Every Gripen pilot flies with his finger very near to the eject button.....because they know crash is always very likely
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mzilakazi:
PARKISTANI SUBSTANDARD JUNK FIGHTER CRASHES.

http://worldofdefense..com/2011/11/pakistani-sub-standard-jf-17-crashes.html?m=1

One $15 million JF-17 crash only

Seven $68 million Gripen junk aircraft crashes inclusing two in the last 21 days, even disgraced at on-going Exercise Lion Effort 2015

7 x $68 million = approx half a billion dollars Gripen loss.

Gripen junk was built, specified, claimed, priced, and sold at $68 million to last 50 years in service, now the jets crumbling in 5 years o !

Please call AIICO Insurance company before Gripen junk bankrupts the world o !

PHOTO : THE GRIPEN BELOW CRASHED INSIDE A RESIDENTIAL AREA ON OPEN FIELD NEAR PEOPLE'S HOUSES.

$68 MILLION DOLLAR FAILURES ALL OVER THE PLACE NOW !
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saengine:
SAAF Gripen having a little fun


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfCDASSwQAk

SAAF junk Gripen pilots dare NOT do combat maneuver or else it will end like this ongoing Exercise Lion Effort June 2015 photo


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Another Gripen Junk Aircraft Crash due to combat maneuver !

This time it's like fly-by wire failure due to junk parts.

Secret of SAAB exposed : Gripen jets CANNOT do combat maneuvers...Fake 8.5 g load claims !

Another $68 million loss....and still counting !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkgShfxTzmo

Ah ! $25 million Pakistani JF-17 will use superior dogfight maneuver to kill the Gripen in war o !
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patches689:
So we keep 14 planes in the air with 9 pilots?

Yet, those 9 pilots dont have enough flying time to be "combat qualified"

hahahahahahahahaahahahahah - you killed yourself.

And augbugug, you can keep talking about Grip crashes, I know you think this is some big amazing thing you have uncovered, but its not, only 3% of Gripen in the world have been lost to crashes in over 20 years of operation without a single pilot fatality. That is a fantastic safety record.

The fact that you have abandoned any factual argument, and are now wildly posting about a handfull of accidents it a fairly clear indication that you have been conclusivly defeated in this debate. Post away, my dear slowpoke, post away.

and, FYI, you said we have 14 pilots:

Yes you quoted me right, I said this :

"South Africa has 14 in service but NEVER do combat maneuver, pilots NOT combat qualified, only take off and land for Mandela's funeral"

I said pilots NOT combat qualified.....that wrecks the entire SAAF....you should be ashamed

The 14 Gripens crawl on the ground or fly at funerals NO combat maneuver !

Lion Effort 2015 is on-going now, NO SINGLE SAAF pilots allowed to participate.....NONE qualified to do combat !

That's why SAAF is missing at 2015 current Lion Effort exercise o !
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patches689:
Gripen can pull 9g maneuvers - this is a fact

Citation needed and video demo needed to prove claim
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patches689:
[size=16pt]South Korea commemorates South African airmen - calls them "our hero's" [/size]

The Ambassador of the Republic of Korea to South Africa, His Excellency Choi Yeon-ho, said that he would like to “express our deepest gratitude to our heroes, the Korean War veterans, for their sacrifice and contribution.”

When war broke out in Korea, the Union Government announced on 4 August 1950 its intention to place an all-volunteer South African Air Force (SAAF) squadron at the disposal of the United Nations.

2 Squadron, whilst equipped with Mustangs, flew 10,373 sorties and out of a total of 95 Mustangs acquired, no fewer than 74 were lost due to enemy action and accidents. Twelve Mustang pilots were killed in action, 30 missing and four wounded. A further 2,032 sorties were flown in Sabres jets, with four Sabres lost out of 22 supplied.

The Ambassador of the Republic of Korea to South Africa, His Excellency Choi Yeon-ho, said that he would like to [size=16pt]“express our deepest gratitude to our heroes, the Korean War veterans, for their sacrifice and contribution.”[/size]

Nigerians brag about fighting rag-tag rebels, we dont brag about fighting anyone, men from other nations come to praise us for our contributions and victory's.

You are bragging about World War II vintage propeller aircraft flown by white ,men who are now dead ?

Suicide comment :

@Patches admits SAAF (Old white-men apartheid era pilots) lost about 80% of their combat aircraft in battle

"2 Squadron, whilst equipped with Mustangs, out of a total of 95 Mustangs acquired, no fewer than 74 were lost due to enemy action and accidents."

#Beaten Up By Poorly Fed Starving North Koreans
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patches689:
[size=15pt]Augustus confirms that South Africa has 14 Pilots, further confirms Henry120 to be a liar [/size]

Quote where I said that you have 14 pilots.

We have always said 14 Gripens operational with 9 pilots ALL not combat qualified, reason why they hardly ever fly.

You have NO combat air force for air superiority today

Hey, did y.our brain c.rash with the junk Gripen ? You have not recovered from the ongoing Gripen accident bashing

#Humiliated By Crashing Junk Gripens
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jln115:
Goeie fok! Jy is poes dom!

Now you are too ashamed to write in English language, Gripen junk put you to shame !

mzilakazi:
THE JUNK AIRCRAFT SYSTEM (WHICH DOES NOT MAKE SENSE) IS NOW OFFICIALLY NO:1 NATO CHOICE.


THE GRIPEN FIGHTER IS NOW THE KING OF THE AIR.

Your king is crumbling into pieces worldwide even as we speak....king of junks....expensive $68 million junk
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patches689:
9 Gripen have crashed out of over 260 in operation world wide.

BIG WHOOP

Nope, there are no 260 Gripens in operation worldwide.

Sweden has 50 in storage, don't fly.

South Africa has 12 in storage, don't fly.

South Africa has 14 in service but NEVER do combat maneuver, pilots NOT combat qualified, only take off and land for Mandela's funeral

Most Gripens around the world are actually in storage, and the few that fly are crashing twice in 21 days !
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patches689:
1. You are literally broke
2. Having an army aviation wing is not "advanced" and for a small underfunded military it is a massive blunder - proven by the fact that the Nigerian army has tried to do it before and failed

South African army has NO army aviation.....now dusted 20 years behind Nigerian army

#Butt Hurt

patches689:
Show me the Nigerian army fighting a competent foe

Biafran army, navy, air force, and British military academy trained Biafran officers with university degrees.
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patches689:
What is Libya?

Recconnaissance only in Libya.....Recce behind the back of the leading RAF Sentinel ISTAR and USN E-2 AWACS/ISTAR doing the real work.

No single combat by Gripen in it's history. It has NEVER fired one bullet or face one single enemy, even if it's MiG-21
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patches689:
Again, show me actual orders - not hypothetical plans

250 requirement and in-house order.

150 SIPRI listed order

56 delivered

24 ordered by unnamed customer this month in Paris


JF-17 is sold without need of bribery, unlike the Gripen that sells by paying bribes to corrupt politicians/military men
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patches689:
260 Gripen would not have been sold if it could not perform

1. Of the 260 Gripens, Sweden that made it for themselves ordered 204 Gripens, it's home to home sales by Government decree.

2. First Gripen export had to be achieved by bribery and corruption money paid to South Africa by by SAAB Sweden.

3. If no bribes were paid to beg South Africa to buy and open up export market, ONLY Sweden would have been flying Gripen in this world.

JAS Junk Aircraft Gripen for $68 million needs bribery to sell it because it is expensive junk !
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jln115:
At least the pilot didn't die like the one flying the Junk Fighter.

No report from Pakistani Air force on why he died, you post speculators.

$15 million JF-17 has 'bad' parachute.....no proof. $68 million Gripen has bad landing gear...confirmed report.

Your $68 million Gripen is worse than the $15 million JF-17 block I

You should be ashamed, my brovar
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jln115:
Dude nobody cares what you think! The Gripen in your video wasn't in service and was flown by a test pilot and not a Swedish officer!
Secondly watch my Video at 0.22min, the Pilot preforms a 9G manoeuver.

What video ? Where ? You mean the 7 G maneuver capability of the Gripen ? Even the advertised 8.5 G crushes the Gripen into pieces

Pilots or test pilots or air force pilots is NOT the topic, pilots are human beings whose action is not easy to measure by us as we don't fly with them or control their thinking.

7 Gripen crashes, 2 of them in the last 21 days.....was it the pilot who broke his own Gripen landing wheels 14 days ago ?

Gripen Junk....JAS Gripen = Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen.....beware of those breaking spider legs of your $68 million Gripen
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Patchesagain:
Super Rapid in a Round housing
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/fly/fly4.html

German Super Rapid - round housing on Braunschweig-class corvette

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxgkeTYevDI


Augustus shows deep fear at the existance of our Super Rapid guns

Just be a man, accept that we have it!

Nope, you DO NOT have it !


Bwahahahaha

Total Frustration in South African camp on June 1st

These guy is hilarious, he is now posting guns of Germany and Denmark ! My sides

You are still posting the same Naval Technology website error that does not know the difference between 76mm compact and super rapid !

See, the manufacturer is final authority on their product, Super Rapid is straight line shaped edges NOT round shapes.

Now show me a source that says manufacturer is putting super rapids inside old casing/housing of compact, prove it !

My sides are in orbit on June 1st....Southies in disarray

http://www.otomelara.it/products-services/naval-systems/76-62-super-rapid
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saengine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr0OcXst59k

Exactly 2 rounds a second. 120 rounds per minute. Performance as advertised

[size=13pt]Thanks for confirming with video evidence that your navy gun is year 1977 Compact with round shape.

Super Rapid year 1988 gun is totally different and posted below, it has straight lines shape.

I love South African S.uicide comments

http://www.otomelara.it/products-services/naval-systems/76-62-super-rapid
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Patchesagain:
This topic is not open for debate

The South African Navy, Denel and Armscor paid for and signed contracts for:

- Maintenance of the Super Rapid
- spare parts for the super rapid
- Technical experts for the super rapid

SAN has super rapid

Citation shows that SAN has the super rapid

This argument is over

Proven beyond doubt - your opinion on this topic is irrelevant

[size=13pt]Bwahahahaha

What proof? We all see a different gun, 1977 gun on ALL South African navy ships, according to photos posted by you Southies !

South African navy official website and photos say NO, they say you have 1977 Compact gun round headed shape

See your round shaped Compact obsolete naval gun below....Now you show us a Super Rapid gun in South Africa with the straight edge shapes or are you now afraid of posting photos? South Africans afraid to post photos of their own Valour frigate.

Why are you Southies now denying your own blue water frigate that you boast so much about?

Ashamed of your 1977 guns ? No Super Rapid so you fear to show us your ships guns ?
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Patchesagain:
Liar

Prove me wrong, try it.

MikeCZAR:
According to your thinking.


The Abrams doesn't use the same 120mm gun as the Leopard 2 cause they're "housed" in different turrets.

The Bionix IFV doesn't use the same 30mm cannon
as the Rosomak cause they're in different turrets.

The Rooivalk doesn't use the same 20mm cannon as the Ratel-20 cause different turrets.



Be afraid of the ZA!

We are talking ships, he has changed to talking tanks and helicopters.

#Super Frustrated

# Totally Humiliated

SAN 76mm compact guns of 1977
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MikeCZAR:
You just contradicted yourself by posting a picture showing 32 Umkhonto capsules on a Valour class frigate.

Contradiction? We are talking about guns, you are diverting attention to missiles. Is a missile a gun? Fool. Stay on topic, eat humble pies !

Who cares about Umkhonto missiles half empty silos ? Same way you have 32 Exocet missile launchers with only about 13 missiles

Soweto navy parades empty missile containers on warships

Meanwhile, we are talking about the 76mm gun super rapid that SAN does not have, I demolished all sources posted by Southies !

Your own navy's photos proves you wrong and proves me right

Deal with your 1977 purchased guns removed from scrap yard and repaired for brand new Valour frigates !

Your Soweto nation could not even afford modern AK-176 naval 76mm guns that Nigeria puts on OPV. LOL.

We are more modern than you are....Old school 1977 guns mounted on 2006 warship, no wonder NNS Centenary will sink SAS Amatola

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