₦airaland Forum

rmx:
let’s talk , could be interested , have a budget for such things

When it's time, I'll mention it here. If you're good with the terms, we can deal.

emmaodet:
Don't you forex is a better platform or investment for you? It is more active and not boring like stock trading.

Who told you stock trading is boring

I said the market needs depth, I didn't say trading is boring.

I used boring to describe the strategies of long termers who just buy, and hold and collect dividends.

Even then, the term is relative.

It's boring to me, but exciting and rewarding for them.

chimex38:
Wahala
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115782683955516402



https://guardian.ng/featured/trump-announces-us-strikes-on-terrorists-in-nigeria/

Thanks ✊

purity2all:
Donald carries out his threat. Although, the Department of Defense put out a statement thanking the Nigerian government for her "coopereation"

Awesome 🎉

Agbalowomeri:
And February 210k

What God cannot do does not exist

You will either move your goal post from 2026, or buy the market at 250k.

Something you're rejecting at 150k.


It's a strategy that works for you sha.

The only place we conflict is when you try to forecast on a shared interest, like saying index at 120k.

We won't allow that.

handsomebolanle:
If I'm to start today, the minimum I would accept is N10m, if in 3 years time, it'd be N100m and if after 5 years, it'd be N1bn.

Wisdom is profitable to direct.

It’s easier to get the 10m in a bank though.

RED ALERT‼️

Wait till you're asked for it now.

The post basically says your money is not welcome, why is comprehension so hard for you.

I'm calling index at 180k next month!

Mankind2024:
As Awsomej takes over d market and bury the memory of Ololo of Deap Capital, me I just dey enjoy Orlando melodic music with Burukutu in the capital city.
Too much trading cannot make a man enjoy a high life music with Burukutu.
I choose to be a boring investor.
No headache
No insomnia
No stress of life
I allow Mr Market to do what it knows how to do best, rewarding boring investors.

Again, learn to stick to your strategy.

The market rewards boring investors, no one disputes that, what we're saying is stop this narrative of making it seem only boring investors get rewarded.

The best performer in the market this year is up 1354%.

My earnings as of yesterday are over 1400% YTD.

Streetinvestor2:
Try asking chatgpt to read the whole page of this thread. I for like see if the head go still come out normal..lol.
On serious note.Those are serious questions for awesomeJ thr by chargpt.I will like to see his response on the four questions

I only need to answer the questions if I was courting your funds na.

Since I'm not, let chatgpt answer them for you.

emmanuelewumi:
Agba is not SEC but he and other informed investors know that SEC won't approve a Hedge Fund.

Agba said that was how Ololo started. Ololo was very good at what he did then that corporate executives, insiders gave billions of Naira to him to invest

Your comment was about Agba spoiling market for someone, whom you're probably trying to label as a scammer.

If you understood the concept of the plan, then how could you possibly expect it to be something Agba could spoil market for?


Is Agba going to raise MPR to 45% thereby making my 40% unattractive or is he going to be at the SEC to say the fund wouldn't get approved?

The only thing you must have been insinuating is that I want participants from here, and Agba's comments would dissuade such people.

That's not just you trying to call me a scammer, that's also you calling people here folks who would jump into an investment scheme that is neither advertised nor registered.


For your information, depending on when I start, almost everyone here including you might be priced out.

If I'm to start today, the minimum I would accept is N10m, if in 3 years time, it'd be N100m and if after 5 years, it'd be N1bn.

So you see you're not the kind of persons I'm looking for.

pluto09:
Merry Xmas.
I quite agree with you that our market is very shallow and there is need for SEC and NGX to do more to increase depth.
However, I am still wondering why you are not putting this your knowledge and expertise into use in other jurisdictions where we have the sophistication and instruments you are looking for, the global stock market, crypto , volatility index and the likes.

I have a place here.

I trade 0.1% of the market, I want to grow it to 1%, so I'd rather have this market grow, than start jumping aimlessly. This is where I have a place. If the market does grow though it benefits not just me but millions of people in the country.

Merry Christmas everyone!

emmanuelewumi:
So you can't say Agba is spoiling market for the guy planning to have a Hedge Fund in Nigeria

Agba is SEC abi Agba controls the country's money supply??

You should just stay with your old school pattern that you understand.

crownprince2017:
Have been wanting ask here, between ebitda and net profit which one is the most reliable metrics.

Your contributions will be appreciated..

I think EBIDTA shows potential, while net profit shows reality.

Like if MtNn wasn't as leveraged, from their EBIDTA we see what their potential earnings would be.

Or for SEPLAT, if their effective tax rate wasn't as high.


So you only take EBIDTA seriously if any of the IDTA is likely to go away or reduce significantly in the near future, as those translate directly to higher earnings.

crownprince2017:
Aiico no go leave sboga ooo, them go collect their money from him.

😁😁😁

Once they're tired of trying to understand him, they will rest.

crownprince2017:
I just they imagined agba with him babes against sboga n him boys causing kasala after agba cyber truck get bashed.

We go see person wey sabi speak pidgin pass that day.....

In the context of the example though, Agba wouldn't cause kasala, he would simply call AIICO to claim his N250m, pa Emma too would claim N250m on thesame car.

AIICO not wanting that kind of N500m shege would have reinsured the risk.

That's why AIG took such heavy beating.

crownprince2017:
Which kind example be this like this...

Sboga n agba bawo....

I remember his GUINNESS vs GUINEAINS episode na.

How am I sure the broker could read his email, why would they not buy the wrong thing 😁😁😁


Maybe that was what the broker could finally discern after staring at the email for 7 hours.


Same way, if he texts his driver to brake, and the driver can't make out what he types, how would he to accelerate instead, there goes Agba's tail light and rear bumper!

Those looking for fast money aren't even sophisticated enough to understand the boring instruments from your generation.

Simple bond pricing analysis would elude most of them.

There's no way they would have anything to do with the sort of complex derivative products I'm advocating for.

Try teaching them Fourier transform, they'll tell you school na scam. Na those ones wan dey trade puts?

Streetinvestor2:
lwkd, as u generation needs it quick.
At the rate they are going 50yr fit begin hard to see in future. Is it really about sophistication of just fast money for them.Do you know almost all of them are into gambling which they call football betting this days

That would be the gen Zs you're referring to.

Most folks in my generation are in their 30s and 40s. If they're still doing bet9ja, then they're really going through a lot.

Streetinvestor2:
Truly u must be a very young man.You blood still dey hot.It is not happening in nigeria anytime soon. Like 50yrs
Lol.We all thought so like 25/30 yrs ago with so much hope

We pray it happens in 10 years.

All these dividends and coupons you guys got in your generation is boring.

We need sophistication.

I'm a millennial.

I think such sophistication would attract people in my generation as well as the gen Zs.

Pa Emma,
You know Agba can buy an insurance from AIICO, pays annual premium, then when sboga bashes his car, AIICO would pay him.


Now, imagine you walking up to AIICO and saying that you want to buy insurance against Agba's car getting hit, then AIICO thinks, since Agba always parks his car in his compound, you're basically paying them free premium for an accident that would never happen, so they create a new insurance product for you.

That's the story of credit default swaps.

I look forward to when our markets will have such depth. (Likely after you and Agba have retired 😁😁😁)

SonofElElyonRet:
O boy I'm having a good laugh
I asked "correctly" on Google and got below. You shouldn't have been so cocky and should've typed it first to see what you get

No, you cannot run a legitimate hedge fund that guarantees a specific return because hedge funds inherently involve risk and aim for absolute returns (positive returns regardless of market) rather than guaranteed outcomes; any fund promising guaranteed returns is likely a scam or operating under a misleading structure, as true guarantees are rare in investing and usually found in fixed-income (like bonds or T-bills). Hedge funds use complex, risky strategies, aiming to beat the market, but face high fees and volatility, so potential returns are never certain, and past performance doesn't guarantee future results.
Why guaranteed returns are a red flag for hedge funds:
Risk vs. Reward: Hedge funds are alternative investments designed to generate high returns, but this comes with substantial risk, making guarantees impossible.
"Absolute Return" vs. "Guaranteed Return": They aim for absolute returns (positive returns in any market), not guaranteed returns like a CD or Treasury bond, which offer fixed interest.
Complexity & Volatility: Strategies involve leverage, derivatives, and shorting, which amplify both gains and losses, notes Growth Capital Ventures.
High Fees: The typical "2 and 20" fee structure (2% management, 20% performance) eats into profits, and returns are not assured, according to Investopedia and Corporate Finance Institute.
Investor Suitability: Hedge funds are for sophisticated, wealthy investors (accredited investors) who understand these risks, says Investor.gov.
What to do if you want guaranteed returns:
Look into low-risk, government-backed options like Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) or certificates of deposit (CDs).

It's not about being cocky.

It's basic to understand that it's very straightforward. Just state the terms as holders get 40%. even the AI didn't say that's not possible, cos it obviously is.

What the AI is simply saying is simply that either current regulations don't permit it, or current legit funds don't offer it, cos their strategy is mostly focused on getting fees, so why would they want to take on any risk of guaranteeing returns in markets that could take a downturn.

You seem to be missing that Ai's context.

As it is, the only reason that would make the us sec approve such a fund is skepticisms stemming from the '08 crisis when guys were inventing all sorts of instruments at will.

SonofElElyonRet:
Hedge funds "bet".. high risk to gain maximum returns which makes losing huge money a real possibility. With what you are suggesting, you are simply "betting" that you'll get much more wins than losses to be able to sustain the "payouts"

No I'm not.
I'm simply scaling up a strategy that has succeeded for years.

SonofElElyonRet:
AI Overview



+6
There are no guaranteed returns with hedge funds; they aim for high returns using complex, risky strategies (leverage, shorting) but can also lose significant money, especially during market downturns, with high fees potentially reducing net gains, making them suitable only for wealthy, accredited investors seeking absolute returns, not safety.
Key Characteristics of Hedge Funds (No Guarantees)
Goal: To generate absolute returns, meaning profits in both up and down markets, not just beat the market.
Strategies: Employ advanced techniques like leverage, derivatives, and short selling, which increase risk alongside potential reward.
Risk vs. Return: Higher potential returns often come with higher risks and significant fees (e.g., "2 and 20" structure).
Market Sensitivity: Even top-performing funds can plunge when market conditions change unexpectedly.
Lack of Transparency: Less regulated and transparent than mutual funds, with less frequent disclosure of holdings.
Why They're Not "Guaranteed"
No Safety Net: "Hedging" aims to reduce risk, not eliminate it, and completely risk-free strategies would yield zero profit.
Manager Skill is Key: Success depends heavily on the fund manager's skill, which isn't constant.
Market Volatility: Complex strategies can backfire, leading to significant losses.
In essence, hedge funds are for sophisticated investors who understand and can afford high risk for the potential of outsized gains, not for guaranteed income like some fixed-income products.

I don't know your reason for dumping AI slop here sha, but you need to realize that it's garbage in, garbage out.

If you asked Ai "do hedge funds guarantee returns" you would obviously get this sort of slop.


Now try asking correctly "is it possible I run a hedge fund that guarantees a certain percentage return to investors"


You should get the right answer now.

If you input garbage, you would get same as output.

Streetinvestor2:
ok.i thought thr are days u only place buy only and maybe after another day u place only sell
Have you sold all your total oil

983 units left.

Was around 5700 units when it got stuck.

emmanuelewumi:
Ololo got billions about 20 years ago, it is possible for you to get it in 2025 provided people trust your performance and workings, not minding the disclaimer from SEC that your Hedge Fund is not regulated by them

Maybe that was his priority.

Doesn't mean it's mine.

I just have a goal to trade 1% of the market consistently, and I'll take any leverage I can find to achieve that, then joyfully share part of the proceeds with the providers of such leverage.


Next time you see the guy, ask him if that was exactly his own goal as well.

SonofElElyonRet:
Ok. Let's see you get approved then

Not getting approved doesn't disprove the fact that your comment about merely running odds is an assumption. Cos the proof that it is is already here- the fact that I'm not running any odds.

Streetinvestor2:
Csn u go out all day only buying but not sell.Then another u could do only sell without buy.like 2 or 3 days interval for buy and sell
Abi everyday u must buy and sell something

Every day I place orders buy and sell, what gets filled is not up to me.

But there's hardly any day I don't trade.

Hardly any day I trade less than 100 deals sef.

emmanuelewumi:
I don't disturb myself on what I don't have power over


There are other sophisticated markets where we have Hedge Funds. You may decide to have your Hedge Fund in those market

Even though we don't have a registered Hedge Fund in Nigeria. Ololo had something of that nature about 20 years ago and had billions of Naira under management because people trusted his knowledge, experience and most importantly his influence on the market.

Just two problems:
1. Do I have another 7 years to spend mastering a new market as much as I've mastered this one?
2. While N1bn here would make you hold good stance, it can't even but 2000 unit's of Alphabet Class A.

Streetinvestor2:
Maybe in other countries. Not this naija when many yahoo people full everywhere. You can even see we have so many yahoo people in this thread now unlike before. A country whr many lack integrity and trust. No bro we never reach that level

Okay, even if hedge funds are still a stretch. How about making margin loans prevalent and having a bigger derivatives market.

So I can short NCR for instance.

Or buy options to buy GTCO at 100 when i'm. Confident it will be trading at 150.


Those ones don't have yahoo boy risk na.

This $10m we're doing is just too lean.

emmanuelewumi:
There is a lien on your account in that set up, you will have to migrate from direct payment into your bank account.

For Meristem, they will open a new stockbroking account that will bear your name and their name.

There are also restrictions on the stocks you can buy.

United Capital also offer that.


For me sha, if I have a portfolio of N100 million, I will only borrow maximum of N30 million against the portfolio. With this I can sleep well at night and margin call is almost impossible

I can live with all these terms. As long as I can trade at 0.5% brokerage and with that caladata platform. Those two are important.


I remember trying to trade with a platform built by infoware back in june I saw shege.

It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for my strategy to succeed on such a boring platform. Imagine no real time streaming of market trades, if your orders get updated (full or partial fill) you'll never know until you manually refresh.


That kind platform only suits Pa Emma and Agba.

emmanuelewumi:
Become an influencer, if you have just 10,000 followers your proposed Hedge Fund will fly.

The problem be say you can't advertise it to the public and even your followers.

But if you dey show workings your followers will beg you to accept money from them so that you invest it in your fund even though it is not regulated by SEC they will be ready to damn the consequences

You don't seem to understand my point.

The market needs to grow way beyond your basic style of buy, hooooold, sell.


It makes no sense for an entire country not to license hedge funds, it shows lack of sophistication.


I don't need your advice on how to build a fund, what is needed is for you to realize that financial markets have advanced way beyond dividends and coupons which are the only old school things you seem to know.