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Ovaiegbe: You guys should stop antagonising Logicboy01. he may be ignorant, misguided, or outrightly whatever but he still has a right to an opinion and the right to express it. There are a thousand and one schools of thought in the world and we can not be fighting or cursing simple because the other man thinks differently. Do not forget it is God's prerogative to save.

logicboy01: I can afford to pick the bible as I do not believe in it. I can pick evil quotes to show christians that their bible is immoral as well. When they claim that I put quotes out of context, I challenge them to then explain the quote in context and they fail- always.


Here is a nice quote;

Leviticus 25:44
"'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

coolzeal: The event that took place in the bible is just 6000 to 7000 yrs old and the first modern human (Homo Sapien) appeared in Africa around 195000 yrs ago and in the same bible we're told by the European that Adam and Eve were white including Christian movies. Eve was suppose to come from Adam right.. Now ask yourself this question; How they hell did Eve came from Adam when we know that you cannot bring life into this world without a woman. A man cannot give birth to a child... A black woman was the first human on earth and she gave birth to humanity. Stop deluding yourself worshiping a white man in your church( AKA Jesus) and search for the real history. Who wrote the bible = the European and the bible was also use to justify slavery in Africa in those days. Go and ask your pastor how can a woman come from man when we as men don't have womb.... The story of Adam and Eve is fictitious.. sorry but it is the truth.
In addition, you should also research the BLACK MADONNA..

logicboy01: Coward? This coming from a guy that is not willing to question his religion? A man that is not willing to live his life without the help of his sky daddy in heaven?

logicboy01: lololol



The word of God isnt contradictory?

Polygamy is wrong but there are 40 polygamous people in the bible including David, Solomon and Abraham.

Incest is bad. But the first man and woman commited incest since Adam is Eve's parent (Eve is from Adam's rib). Abraham's wife (Sarah) is also his step-sister.

logicboy01: Sharaap

Tinkybabe: I'm surprised many are still trying to prove some points to the poster.He's an atheist(doesn't believe in God or His existence) so spiritual discernment would be nothing but gibberish to him ..I feel he came up with this question to pose confusion.Ayobase..Your contribution has been more than enlightening,thanks for it..Logic mind..I'm not surprised you do not know about the written word of God (logos) and the spoken word of God (rhema).Pls don't be an author of confusion here. Christianity isn't science that you prove with facts and figures.

logicboy01: Stop picking and mixing the bible. Address the quote, Mr Apologist

coolzeal: You do realize that in some of the ancient religion in Africa, women were deities and are worshiped, in fact you will hardly find male deities then. I think some history are not being told and the bible is genuinely not accurate..

Goshen360: You see logicboy01, this is the problem you have even when I showed you from other scriptures that the same Paul wrote that woman pray and prophesy which both involves speaking or talking, you still can't reason with that. I have said it in the beginning of my response to you that your 22 yrs of being a Christian or church goer needs to be questioned and you just confirmed the truth to my statement. How can you still continue to argue after I just showed you. If you say "keep silence" means shut up, and I showed you other instances where same Paul wrote women to speak/talk, then Paul will be contradicting himself.

You see what your problem is, you are reading the Bible with a veiled mind and therefore, you are reading to find fault. The word of God is NOT contradictory IF YOU TAKE TIME TO STUDY (not just reading like circular novels or newspapers). This is one of the reasons why I don't like dealing with you because you are always wanting to keep arguing and am not in for that, am sorry. If everyone is like me on this board, you will be preached to in due season just like Frosbel said but if you refuse, you will be completely ignored and allow to talk to yourself. However, I still promise to engage you someday that I have time for you. No harm meant. I leave you with these words from the Bible:

But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 2 Cor. 3:16 Niv

logicboy01: All this epistle you are writing does not mean anything.


Silence/hold your peace means shut the hell up! End of story.



Yes, you are right....I hardly read the bible when I was a catholic. Catholics in general do not read the bible. Just go to mass and take holy communion like sheep.

Goshen360: @ OP,

I first responded to this thread because I was about going to bed when you started this thread yesterday. I know you as an Atheist and you claimed to have been a Christian for 22 years or so. If truly you are once a Christian, I wonder how you read your bible within those 22 years and later became an Atheist. Well, that is by the way. I didn't want to jump into your thread because I hate wasting my precious time with you as you don't read ANYTHING about the Bible to learn but to discredit it. You are always reading the Bible with the mind of finding fault and loop holes forgetting that the letters kill but the Spirit gives life. However, I do not want you get away with this. Now, back to the thread.

First. There is NO one verse of the scripture that stands on its own. This is what the bible meant when it says, "no scripture is is PRIVATE interpretation". You cannot up-root one verse OUT OF CONTEXT and give/apply an interpretation. This is not how the bible says we should interpret the bible. Okay. (Am going through this, if only you want to learn)

Now, Let look at 1 Cor. 14: 34 in context (the whole) and see if actually Paul is saying. What does it mean to be silence according to that verse and in context?

Silence is an English word translated from the Greek, "sigao" and it means: to be still, KEEP silence, to hold one's peace. So what is the Apostle saying? Let's put this meaning in place of silence and in context and let's see how it reads:

Let your women [be still, KEEP silence, hold their peace] in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. When we read "keep" as it precedes "silence" means a state of "maintaining" silence and not a state to shut up without talking.

Paul is NOT saying they should NOT talk because the context of "keeping silence" does NOT mean one should NOT SPEAK. How did I know this? The context. In the same context of 1 Cor 14:27-28

If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Here we read Paul said one should keep silence AND LET HIM SPEAK. Ladies and Gentlemen, I submit to you that, the sense of "keep silence" does not mean one cannot speak. It simply means to hold one's peace and be still IN THE CONTEXT OF ORDERLINESS AND FOR EDIFICATION. This we can clearly see in the context of verse 30-31 same chapter,

If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.. So we read clearly here in this context that the sense of "keeping silence" IS NOT OR NOT TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH BUT EDIFY, ORDERLINESS, LEARNING AND COMFORT. The context of 1 Cor. 14:34 is demonstrated in the next verse 35,

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

It therefore follows that the sense of "keep silence" in the church IS NOT TO MEAN THEY CANNOT TALK AT ALL WHILE IN THE CHURCH BUT THE SENSE AND CONTEXT IS AS IT RELATES TO DISORDERLINESS, LEARNING, CONFUSION AND NOT EDIFYING. Because we already see in the context of verse 28 that one is asked to be silence and still speak. How can someone be told to be silence and still asked to speak? It doesn't make any sense that way. So we should understand what Paul is saying.

Again, "KEEP SILENCE" cannot not mean total non-speaking state in the sense that same Paul in 1 Cor. 11:5 taught that women can pray and prophesy in the church which involves an act of speaking.

But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

So how can a woman pray and prophesy if she should totally remain quiet? Paul is not saying women should be silence in the sense of total non-speaking/talking state when they come to church BUT silence as in the sense of learning, comfort, edification and orderliness and this truth we clearly see in verse 35, 26-33 and verse 40 which says,

Let all things be done decently and in order.

logicboy01: Sharaap

2good: I am surprised that Christians are this sexist. Why do women still cling on to religion with all these discrimination they experience from the men? Both Christianity, Islam and Judaism all have discrimination against women yet women look for excuse to justify their relegation to a second class status. Really funny

xynerise: it depends

sosoluv: Which one is considered a keeper? A woman who says and does whatever she feels like when it best suits her (free-spirted girl) or a woman who has set certain standards and does not settle for anything less,,,for example a woman who follows the 90-day rule before getting intimate wit her boyfriend....

Babasexy: I do it always without even thinking if it is right or wrong cos I love cooking and a tidy environment.

ayosmiles: I used to have this girlfriend I loved so much that I would go to her place, sleepover and cook her breakfast. On weekends I would help her tidy her room before takin her out. When she left me, I thought she felt I was too attached but now she's back beggin me to come back, sayin she made a mistake and no guy could care 4 her like me.

Guys, is it wise to do those things for your woman? Girls, will you appreciate a guy that does that?

logicboy01: Look at this joker. Is the bible not written in English? Or do you wait for your pastor to selectively read and preach it to yoU?

ckkris: Deborah was wife of Mr Lapidoth, then God Himself anointed her to prophesy accurately. In addition to being a genuine prophetess, Deborah was a Judge, a political position of Queen. Those who refuse to fulfill Luke 11:13 will never understand, will argue endlessly.

logicboy01: You made the accusation on Corinthian women. Back it up

Denningtedy: I WONDER THE HELL THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SO CALLED MODERATORS.. WHY IS CHRISTIANITY ALWAYS THE GOSSIP OF THE DAY? WHY CAN'T YOU GUY TALK ABOUT THE ISLAM[color=#770077][/color]IC RELIGION?

Denningtedy: I WONDER THE HELL THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SO CALLED MODERATORS.. WHY IS CHRISTIANITY ALWAYS THE GOSSIP OF THE DAY? WHY CAN'T YOU GUY TALK ABOUT THE ISLAM[color=#770077][/color]IC RELIGION?

logicboy01: I dont know but I am certain that Jesus had only male disciples

logicboy01: load of rubbish. How does it solve the problem by telling women to be silent in church?


Furthermore, you are saying that Paul was not writing God's word

logicboy01:


You can't explain the verse and so you attack the messenger. You sound frustrated and defeated.