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Christianity EtcRe: The Dangers Of Wilful Sins by Ayomivic(m): 3:56pm On Jun 26, 2013
@ Blink182. I can see that many so call christians does not know what it mean by saying ' Jesus dies for our sins' by this statement they thought they can countinue in sin but they should believe Jesus as saviour. What a mistake.

What the statement ' Jesus had died for our sin and all the verses quoted by blink182 mean is this. In the book of leviticus God made israelite to understand that, if they commited a sin they should take a ram to the priest fo for the remission of their sin ( Leviticus 4,5,6 ). This act was a continous exercise whenever time you commit sin you must make a sarcrifice for the forgiveness of your sin

How Jesus dies for our sins.

The death of Jesus gave us chance for repentance. Because of his death, We don't need to sacrifice ram again. We sacrificed him once,
now, no matter how many times we sin a day, we can can asked God for forgiveness. This is what Paul explained in his epistle to Hebrew ( Hebrew 9,10)

If you are a christian and you are still committing sin, if you die without repentance you are not different to pagan because the bible tells us that

' if we confess and forsake our sin God is righteous to forgive us'

Before we can say we are christian, we must repent from our evil ways

@op, truely we must becareful of wilful sin because we don't know the hour that Jesus will return or when death will come and what the death will caught in our hand is what God will use to judge us.
Christianity EtcRe: Another Baby Born With Quran In Lagos by Ayomivic(m): 6:57pm On Jun 19, 2013
wha is the purpose or benefit of this quran?

Who are these babies? Are they prophet like muhamed.
Christianity EtcRe: Did Moses Actually Part The Red Sea ? What Is He Some Kinda Magician ? by Ayomivic(m): 11:11pm On Jun 17, 2013
obadiah777: DRY GROUND MEANS PEOPLE WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD. 'HEATHENS', IF YOU WILL. AND THE WATERS ( THE WORD OF GOD ) WAS A WALL OF PROTECTION TO THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HEATHEN PEOPLE THEY PASSED THROUGH <<<< INTERPRETATION OF THE VERSE YOU QUOTED EXODUS 14 VS 22
Christianity EtcRe: Did Moses Actually Part The Red Sea ? What Is He Some Kinda Magician ? by Ayomivic(m): 11:06pm On Jun 17, 2013
obadiah777: DRY GROUND MEANS PEOPLE WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD. 'HEATHENS', IF YOU WILL. AND THE WATERS ( THE WORD OF GOD ) WAS A WALL OF PROTECTION TO THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HEATHEN PEOPLE THEY PASSED THROUGH <<<< INTERPRETATION OF THE VERSE YOU QUOTED EXODUS 14 VS 22
I have nothing to say because no matter what will say here you will not listen. You are an agent of devil whom satan has apointed for the end time to delude people. God is watching you.

The isrealite are not dwelling in heaven they knew that their ancestor passed through dry grand of red sea.

You are free to choose your belief but i am sorry for those who believe in your teaching.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do You Go To Church? by Ayomivic(m): 11:01am On Jun 10, 2013
profjustine: TO WORSHIP GOD.
Yes it is good to worship God together with other believers.

O COME, let us sing unto the LORD. let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation

2 Let us come before his prensent with thanksgiveing

3 for the lord is a great God, and a great king above all gods........
. . . . .
6 O come, let us worship and bow down; let us kneen before the lord our maker.

7 for he is our God and we are the people of his pasture,and the sheep of his hand . Today if you will hear is voice,

8 Harden not your heart, as in provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness
IslamRe: What Isthe Meaning Of These Hadith? by Ayomivic(m): 9:21pm On Jun 07, 2013
NL member: Salamualaikum everyone! smiley

Allah is Great!!!

I was going through some websites earlier on and I came across some hadith that sort of contradicted what I have been told about Islam in the past.

I have been told that Islam is a very peaceful religion and there is no room for violence or disrespect for women but then I saw this;

( Bukhari Vol.7, p.100)“Hang up your scourge where your wife can see it.


“Umar b. al-Kattab reported the Prophet as saying: A man will not be asked [by Allah] as to why he beat his wife” (Sunan Abu Dawud vol. 2, no. 2142)

He(Muhammed) said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me (Aisha) on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?..."" - Sahih Muslim 4:2127

So can I get an explanation of these hadith and sunnah?

What type of weak hadith are they? Ghraeb or da'eef, I need to know because I am being tempted by shaytan to believe that Islam encourages violent behaviour of husbands towards wives.

Masalam.
ha !what does this hadith mean?is mean that Prophet Muhamed gave Aisa his wife a dirty stap?No it can be so. Please somebody should explaine this.
IslamRe: Who Is an Anti-christ Btw Islam & Christianity by Ayomivic(m): 6:11pm On Jun 07, 2013
@ayenny02 I don't know why muslims hate Paul or why they think they follow or observe the law more than the christians. It's in law that will 'should keep the sabbat day holly' be it sunday or saturday. Do Muslims keep that law? It's in law that 'thou shall not kill' but we have so call Muslims that are killing innocent people in the name of religion.

Let me make a correction concerning what you wrote about Paul. Paul did not call peter hyprocrite because he eats with gentiles but because he withdrew from eating with them when he saw the Jews. Thank God, you yourself quoted it in Galatians 2:11-21.

It was the believe of Jewish that eating with gentile is a sin and abomination because the believed that gentiles are uncircumsied people,they are unclean. If this is correct and peter was a Jew,why did he eats with gentiles initially and withdrew when he saw Jews?

All the same Peter also testified to Holly Spirit that is woking in Paul in 2 Peter 3 i quote

wherefore, beloved,seeing that you look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless

15 And account that longsuffering of our lord is salvation; even as our brother paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

To my suprise ,you said 2 peter was not written by peter. How did you know that?

You said paul was in support of eating of unclean meat.what are you going to say to the teaching of Jesus that says

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. (matthew 15:11)

thank God you trust book of matthew
IslamRe: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by Ayomivic(m): 2:44pm On Jun 07, 2013
@ ayenny02 hypocrite. So all you wrote up there is not off topic? If you want to talk about law in OT go and open another thread on it and before you do let me give you home work to do on it.

1. Does Jesus follow the Old Testament law? If your answer is yes then how?

2 Why did Jesus called the pharisees and scribes in his time hyprocrites? Let see if you know bible.

3. Which people follows the law of OT between Christians and Muslims ? If your answer is Muslims ,how?

4 Tell us if Muslims follow the teaching of Jesus Christ and how?

If you want to derail your own thread.
IslamRe: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by Ayomivic(m): 6:30pm On Jun 05, 2013
ayenny02: John 14:1-4
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know

WHERE DID JESUS MENTION "CHRISTIAN" IN THAT VERSES YOU QUOTED (LIAR)
Jesus' death is a violation of the clear OT commands prohibiting human sacrifices. Since Jesus was also under the Law (Gal. 4:4), his death would be an express violation of the commands of God which did not allow for humans to be put to death, only animals.


Chairman don't talk without proof, pls give me verses where Jesus said he will come for the christians when jesus himself don't know the word "Christianity" in bible
If Jesus did not know the word Christianity, i believe he knows his deciples and his followers and they were the one he promised he would come back for.so you too can tell us the religion of his deciples. Are they Jews or Muslims or Christian? You know the answer
IslamRe: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by Ayomivic(m): 4:26pm On Jun 05, 2013
ayenny02: What do you see to the topic, I want to see your own idea. Which religion Jesus will practice when he comes back?
Jesus is coming back for real christian.they were the one he promised to come for

Let not your heart be troubled believe in God believe also in me.in my father house are many mansions if it were not so,i would have told you i go to prepare a place for you (christian).And if i go and prepare a place for you i will come again, and receive you unto myself that where i am, there you may be also.And whither i go you know,AND THE WAY YOU KNOW. (John 14:1-4)

The worlds in capital letter shows that christians are on wright way.

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep iam know of mine.As the father knoweth me,even so know i the father: and i lay down my life for the sheep.And other sheep i have ,which are not of this fold;them also i must bring and they shall hear my voice and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.(John 10:14-16)

Did Jesus die for you? If he did not die for you he can't come for you for you are not part of sheep.

As per the religion Jesus will follow when he comes back, Jesus would not follow any religion because he is greater than any religion.When he comes, the people who obeyed his teaching and his warning would follow him.These people are christians,(people like christ) ,they are saints, they are sons and daughter of God, they are beloved .

If you like call them submissive (Muslim) people.That na your own cup of tea.

We christian believed that Jesus is coming to take us to himself Muslim believed that Jesus is coming to spend another life in which he would marry, give bith to children and die that was reason you thought he would follow one religion.You err.
IslamRe: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by Ayomivic(m): 4:25pm On Jun 05, 2013
ayenny02: What do you see to the topic, I want to see your own idea. Which religion Jesus will practice when he comes back?
Jesus is coming back for real christian.they were the one he promised to come for

Let not your heart be troubled believe in God believe also in me.in my father house are many mansions if it were not so,i would have told you i go to prepare a place for you (christian).And if i go and prepare a place for you i will come again, and receive you unto myself that where i am, there you may be also.And whither i go you know,AND THE WAY YOU KNOW. (John 14:1-4)

The worlds in capital letter shows that christians are on wright way.

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep iam know of mine.As the father knoweth me,even so know i the father: and i lay down my life for the sheep.And other sheep i have ,which are not of this fold;them also i must bring and they shall hear my voice and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.(John 10:14-16)

Did Jesus die for you? If he did not die for you he can't come for you for you are not part of sheep.

As per the religion Jesus will follow when he comes back, Jesus would not follow any religion because he is greater than any religion.When he comes, the people who obeyed his teaching and his warning would follow him.These people are christians,(people like christ) ,they are saints, they are sons and daughter of God, they are beloved .

If you like call them submissive (Muslim) people.That na your own cup of tea.

We christian believed that Jesus is coming to take us to himself Muslim believed that Jesus is coming to spend another life in which he would marry, give bith to children and die that was reason you thought he would follow one religion.You err.
IslamRe: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by Ayomivic(m): 1:33pm On Jun 05, 2013
ayenny02: Before I can answer your question which religion you belong to?
Christian, of course
IslamRe: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by Ayomivic(m): 1:22pm On Jun 05, 2013
@ayenny02 Now,let me address the cunning tittle you people give to yourself.'MUSLIMS' If you are asked the meaning of muslim i know you will say it mean total 'submission to God' am i correct? Ok if 'Muslim' mean submissive, we all know that the word 'Muslim' (submissive) is nothing but 'tittle' as the word 'Christian' wich mean people like christ. It is a descriptive tittle that has nothing no power to change person's characters. If you are bearing Mr Gold does that mean you are created with gold? Or you are in possession of gold?it may not mean that

If Muslim are using the tittle( muslim) as their good, does that mean every body who bear the tittle (muslim) will go to heaven include boko boys who killed innocent people. If you say they are not muslims,they themself believe they are muslim and what they are doing are right.Also Jesus christ was a perfect man with that we can say he was suabmissive to God.Christian mean people like christ,if christians are like christ then that mean they are submissive to God too.

If muslim want to claim they are submissive to God because they are fasting,observed salat,they are pilgrimage,they give sakat.How many prophet observe salat or being a pligrimage before they can be submissive to God.

Pls muslims should stop using ordnary tittle to deceive people,God would not judge us by what we call ourself,but he would judge us by what we are because he knows the mind of man.
IslamRe: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by Ayomivic(m): 11:29am On Jun 05, 2013
ayenny02: I asked you a simple question you can't answer it. You said Jesus did not recognised or practised the christianity as a religion,YES I agreed with that, and jesus came for one purpose and teaching;

Jesus in the Bible guaranteed Paradise to non-Trinitarians. 

Jesus a second time confirmed that the Law of Moses is the way to "Eternal Life".

The book of Ezekiel and the Old Testament clearly and directly refutes the "Salvation through trinity" lie!

Jesus in John 17:4 further clarifies the Salvation concept and refutes the "closed-minded" Christians.

Can you tell me the core belief of Christianity then that relate to the teaching of Jesus Christ?We honour Prophet Jesus more than anybody in this world.
I will give you one hadith about the coming of jesus christ and I want you to bring any authoritative reference that Jesus is coming for you christian:

Abu Huraira  reported that Prophet Mohammad (saw)said, "By the one whose hands my life is in, surely the Son of  Mary(as) will descend amongst you as a just ruler. He will destroy the cross (this could mean that Jesus will put a final end to Christianity), kill the pig (meaning Jesus will outlaw raising pigs) and abolish the Jizya (this tax on Christians & Jews will be abolished because Christianity and Judaism will end.)."   (Sahih Bukhari)

Don't forget you said the christianity was not the religion of jesus christ so his second coming will help you to destroy it

Yes Jesus (as) is coming for the muslims who believe in One God, and worship the true One God or are you christians worshiped One God?
it seems you don't know what you are saying.if Jesus is coming for muslims what would Asaaju-Eda Baba Fatimon would be doing? or is he no longer Asaju Eda? You know the way but you will not follow it.
Christianity EtcRe: Is It A Sin Not To Go To Church by Ayomivic(m): 9:24am On Jun 05, 2013
Divepen: for sometime don't feel like going to church but i don't know if i have sinned against GOD
the bible say we should not for sake the gathering of brethen' not because it is a sin if we do but because there many benefit in fellowship with brethen. In church we worship God in congregation with one voice, with one heart, with one love.Sometime God speaks to us through sermon, he corrects us in our wrong doing, he opens our eyes to his way and the lazy fellow (those who can not study bible by themself) got to know God and his way.

As there are lot of benefit in attending the right church also there are lot of dangers in attending the wrong church.

.If you say you don't want to go to church,then can you answer these questions

1 why do you not go to church or not want to go to church?

2 Are you sure you know God and his purpose for you?

3 Can you worship God properlly without the help us other? Remember the bible says 'if any body think he stands let him becareful'

4 can you differenciate or detect the voice of God and voice of Satan without the help of other

5 can you easily detect yourself when you are astray from God's ways and bring yourself to the right way without the help of other?

6 are you strong in faith without the help of other?

If your answer to the above questions is yes and correct your not going to church is not a sin but if your answer to the above questions in no, your not going to church is not a sin but it would surely open the door of sin for you.
IslamRe: Muslims Are In Hellfire Pending Resurrection Day? by Ayomivic(m): 7:29pm On May 27, 2013
@ lanrexlan, i have questions to ask you concerning the Hadith Abu-Hurarai you quoted or requoted on this thread.

1 Can one deceive Allah?

In the Abu-Huraria hadith you quoted we were told of how last man in hell deceived God that God should turn his face away from the wind of fire that dried him and the stream of fire that burnt him and he made a pledge and convenant not to aske of any favor again if his wish is granted but when his wish was granted he went on to demand and demand until he enter paradise without fufiled his pledges and covenants. Do you think God who is all knowing , God who will hold men guilty for all promises they made and fail could allow that?

2 Is Allah two or how many Allah do Muslims have?
Because In the same hadith when the last man in hell made the last request that Allah should let him enter paradise with another promise not to ask any favor again.then Allah made one statement he said 'MAY ALLAH HAVE MERCY ON YOU SON OF ADAM'

Which Allah is this allah refering to that may have mercy on son of Adam? You know one Allah was removing people from hell to paradise.it was this allah that say may allah have mercy on son of Adam .if he refers to himself, he would not use 'MAY' but 'I' hope you get it?

3 How did Muhammed know how God will judged on the judgement day? I think from that hadith, you had made us understand that all Christian, jew and idol worshiper will go to hell but only muslims will go to paradise.

4. According to that hadith, does that mean that any muslims who observed salat regularlly with salat's mark on their fore head will go to paradise no matter their wrong deed and wickedness on earth?
pls answer these questions
Christianity EtcRe: What Is Sin? by Ayomivic(m): 12:25pm On May 27, 2013
glory be to God in the highest
Christianity EtcRe: Salvation Is Not Dependent On Your Faith Or Religion by Ayomivic(m): 1:26pm On May 18, 2013
Rossikk: A message to Christians

Your level of spirituality will determine your position in the afterlife, not your religious beliefs.

When you die and move on to the Other Side, you do not suffer ANY disfavour for not being a christian. There are thousands of religions on earth and none is superior to the other. YOUR religion appears to you to be superior to all others because you were BRAINWASHED by it. Since you were a toddler, they've drummed it into your poor head, endlessly, that your way is 'the only way', and all others, 'evil' and 'hell-bound'.

If you had been born and raised in China or India (both nations are home to over half the earth's population) and therefore, had grown up a Buddhist, a Taoist, a Hinduist, or a Zoroastrianist, the entire christian tale, if told to you, would seem as baseless and ludicrous as you currently view those faiths from your christian standpoint. It would be as impossible to convert you to christianity as it is to convert you right now to Hinduism.

Or Taoism.

There is nothing special about your religion (christianity). No power or epiphany in it that is not present in other religions. You need to step out of the tiny thought-box your priests have shuffled you into, and open your mind up to the glorious diversity - and validity - of Creation.
@Op, how did you know this or sure that what you said here is correct. Are you atheist's prophet or have you gone to heaven come back? What evidence do you have to make us believe your lies. Pls don't misslead people here.
Christianity EtcRe: Did Jesus Really Walk On Water ? What Kinda Magic Trick Is That Sef ? by Ayomivic(m): 11:28am On May 13, 2013
obadaiah keep doing the work of your master(Satan)

just know this, that you will give account of whatever thing you say .

Let me see the interpretation you will give to matth24 ' But the ship was now in the misdst of sea tossed with waves for the wind was contrary'
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Let's Say That I Convert Back To Xtianity, What Then? Which Church? by Ayomivic(m): 11:24am On May 12, 2013
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Logicboy03: Let's say I turn from Saul to Paul

Atheist scoffer to christian,

What then?

Do I get rebaptized?

Do I start going to church? Which church by the way?

Do I become a trinitarian or non-trinitarian?


Which bible do I then read? KJV or NIV etc?

Do I stop looking at junk in the trunk when I go to church? is that a sin (used to do that to pass away time in church as an early atheist)
Hi logicboy03, i don't know if you open this thread to pull the legs of christians or you are in dilemma of coming back to your creator .I know it is either of the two but from the questions you asked here,i can say you are still making the same mistakes you made initially when you are in christianity.what are that mistakes?
1. You put your faith in another man's faith.You are runing because people are runing. not because you too want to run. you don't know why they are runing and where they are runing to. So when they stoped you stoped.

2.You thougt the church someone is attending determine his/her servation.some call christian believe in this too. they failled to know that the holly spirit that lead their pastor can lead them too (iam not saying you should start your own church). When a good christian enter a church you must able to tell whether what they are doing is right or wrong. If the pastor is directed by holly spirit and you yourself has holly spirit in you must know that you at right place even though the pastor message is against evil you are doing or thinking. But if the pastor is a deciever and you yourself lack holly spirit then you are in danger.

The church is there to remind us of what we have known, what we have studied in our bible and to correct us when we want to go astray.many big churches are not 100 percent doctrine correct.If you said kumuyi is a man of God and deeper life is perfect church.what if kumuyi is no more and the next oversea is not like him the doctrine may lbe change and the church will devide.

Every christian must ask for the gift of holly spirit as their guidance,ask for wisedom and hunderstanding and take Jesus as their model and teacher.

If you don't believe or you doubt your formal baptism you can rebaptised to clear your doubt but if you don't doubt go on.

If you receive holly Spirit you wil know your stance about trinitarian or non-trinitarian.you will also know how to take care of junk in the trunk.
Christianity EtcRe: What If You Found Out That Fasting Has Nothing To Do With Food ? by Ayomivic(m): 2:48pm On May 07, 2013
MostHigh: Your words have not made any meaningfull contribution

Ignorance is no excuse.
what contribution do you want me to make on this issue? Are you confused? I believe children should know that what Obadiah is saying here is wrong. Pls don't be misled.
Christianity EtcRe: What If You Found Out That Fasting Has Nothing To Do With Food ? by Ayomivic(m): 2:35pm On May 07, 2013
Goshen360: Fasting does not ALL equals to abstaining ONLY from food. That's not true; fasting could be abstaining from se.x, or anything.
Ok, but abstaining from food is part of fasting as other things but you can not say you are fasting if you abstained from other things but not abstain from food and drinks. Can you?
Christianity EtcRe: What If You Found Out That Fasting Has Nothing To Do With Food ? by Ayomivic(m): 2:04pm On May 07, 2013
obadiah777: DONT MIND THAT REPROBATE AYOMIVIC. WAS THIS NOT THE SAME DUDE WHO SAID HE HAD REJECTED GOD LAST YEAR ? grin grin SCOFFERS
God forbid bad things. Where is the proof of this statement of yours? My life and my death is for God. May i never see things that will make me reject God.

Remember i said that your name should be first in the list of people who claimed to be christian but they are misleading people with their false teaching.

You are the only genuine christian to know this in the world because iam hearing this for the first time from prophet Obadiah777.but iam afraid, that revelation may not be from holy spirit but evil spirit.

Pls Obadiah , i want to observe fasting. How can i go about doing that?
Christianity EtcRe: What If You Found Out That Fasting Has Nothing To Do With Food ? by Ayomivic(m): 11:37am On May 03, 2013
obadiah777: ALL THE VERSES YOU HAVE QUOTED STILL SUPPORTS MY POINT. SO I DONT GET WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO. LIKE I SAID, A FAST IS GOING AGAINST WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO. FOR CHRIST, HE NORMALLY TEACHES AND EATS SCRIPTURES. HE STOPPED DOING THAT TO PREPARE FOR TEMPTATION. IF YOU ARE A WICKED PERSON WHO IS ACCUSTOMED TO DOING WICKEDNESS 365 DAYS OF THE YEAR ? A FAST TO YOU WILL BE NOT TO DO WICKEDNESS FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD. SEE IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. YOU STILL NOT MADE ANY POINT YET
Obadiah777! obadiah777!! Obadiah777!!! May God set you free from demonic spirit that havf possessed you.Amen
Everybody in the word knows that abstinence from food is fasting. stop equallize your self with our lord Jesus christ. Becareful of what you will build on the words of God.
IslamWho Is Unbeliever And How Can They Be Treated According To Quran? by Ayomivic(op): 12:21am On May 03, 2013
Who did Muslim regard as unbelievers and how can they be treated according to Quran? Use Quran to back your answer.
Christianity EtcRe: The Fires Of Hell by Ayomivic(m): 1:32pm On Apr 17, 2013
[quote author=frosbel][/quote]it seem this thing is getting complicated ok let see if you know what you are saying. Answer this question. You believed in second death right?

Can you tell us the kind of punishment God will give to ungodly people on the day of judgement according to the scripture. Pls answer.
Christianity EtcRe: Let's Discuss Christ! by Ayomivic(m): 12:36pm On Apr 17, 2013
Billyonaire: I am sincerely not confused, I think most Christians are half-informed. Christ means anointed, thats agreed. But anointed based on what priesthood ? Anointing has degrees in Judaism, and Jesus, being a Jew was anointed based on Judaism, we have the Aaronic Priesthood and the Mechizedek Priesthood, the we can progress to Self Realization, Christ Consciousness and God Realization. Many people attain Christ Consciousness without realizing, because they adore Christ Jesus and believe they cant fit his shoes. Jesus, just like Paul, attained Christ Consciousness, as we progress to God Realization, we will cross the Christ threshold.
Any scripture's verses to back your words if you are not a liar?
Christianity EtcRe: The Fires Of Hell by Ayomivic(m): 12:01pm On Apr 17, 2013
frosbel: My reasoning is based on scripture.

I am worried that none of you can answer my question, this is the sad state of Christianity today in Nigeria.
your reasoning is not based on scripture. You twisted the scripture and by doing that you add to the scripture what the scripture does not say.what the scripture say is that

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,and murderers and woremongers and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the LAKE which BURNETH with FIRE and BRIMESTONE :which is the second death.

These are not my words or the words of my father. Let us stand on what the scripture stands.the scripture does not provide answers to everything except those thing that we need to known.If we don't believe is left for us.

The bible does not tell us the location of hell, it does not tell how God will judge us. How we will appear before the judagement seat, How God comes to existence etc, If we are now using logic to provide answers is like we are adding to scripture. And we all know the danger behind that. Or can you beat your chest that all you said about hell are hundred percent correct ?
Christianity EtcRe: The Fires Of Hell by Ayomivic(m): 8:37pm On Apr 15, 2013
frosbel: I agree.

But God does not contradict himself, something is wrong when we have 2 or more views on the same truth. smiley

What has helped me after leaving deerperlife and Apostolic faith , is an independent ability to reason through scripture without the interference of other people's opinion or the creeds and dogmas of their organisations , which in most cases are held as infallible.
please oga frobel keep your reason to your self and stop misleading people.we need that thing you call 'fear of hell' if it will help us strive to enter heaven.

Be careful of what you are preaching bro.
Christianity EtcRe: The Rich Man And Lazarus by Ayomivic(m): 5:10pm On Apr 15, 2013
enilove: frosbel,

I just want you to know that there are somethings you do not have knowledge of ,and which you claim to know.
Lets consider you statement that, the soul of maln is without body parts;that it is without interior nor exterior and that it does not have a tongue & eyes.

Psalm 7:2 "Lest he tear my soul like a lion,rendering it in pieces...." If soul does not have parts ,how can it be torn in pieces?

A man has a body ,soul and spirit.When someone dies,it is the body that returns to dust not the soul and the spirit.

We are created in the image of God,and God does not have a physical body made of dust, but a spiritual body.So every human being at death will become a spirit soul without physical body. This spirit can be seen and it has eyes and brain and tongues more functional than it was in the body made of dust.
God is a Spirit and has a Spiritual body that appeared to Moses in Exodus 33:23. This reads," And I will take away mine hand and thou shalt see my back parts,but my face thall not be seen".
This means that the rich man in hell has eyes and tongues and brains intact,as Jesus said.

Demons are spirits,still they can talk and feel pains. Likewise a dead person,who will drop the body and bocome a spirit being.

A soul has eyes and everything that the human form has. God has a soul( Judges 10:16) . Since God have eyes and mouth,why do you think the soul of Lazarus in hell will not have eyes and tongues?
Infact,the real person in us is the soul ,not the body of dust or the physical body.
Genesis 2:7 says" And God formed man of the dust of the ground ,& breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; & man bcame a LIVING SOUL. Not a living body.
When you are sleeping and dreams that you are driving,it is not the physical eyes, that is closed in bed, you use in driving but the spiritual eyes of the soul in you.When you dream,it is your soul and spirit that are in action not the physical body, which is sleeping or resting.

As you requested, this is to kindly tell you how a soul can have a complete body with hands to touch and tongues to taste.

Hell is real,Jesus said so, & it is so.
God bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Beware Of False Teachers Parading Themselves Here On This Forum by Ayomivic(m): 1:52pm On Apr 07, 2013
Pygru: Beware of Frosbel, Ijawkid & Seriallink
I like their anti catholism stance, but most of their teachings are laced with false doctrines grin

Beware Of Goshen360 and Okeyxyz ;they said premarital se.x btw two consenting adults (Fornication in my Bible) is not a sin.

Also Beware of the catholic crew led by Italo and assisted by chukwudi44, ubenedictus, striktlymi etc
please had Obadiah77 to the list. He teaches that black people are in their hell now and that only 144,000 will go to heaven.
IslamState Things That Make Prophet Muhammed Holy Or Unique To Other Muslims. by Ayomivic(op): 12:53pm On Apr 07, 2013
I had heard people saying that there is no Muslim who can be holy or be like Prophet Muhammed and there is no Christian that can be holy or be like Jesus Christ. When i heard this statement ,i put a thought on it if the statement was truth or not.

As a Christian, i can say the statement is true in the side of Jesus Christ.there is no one like Jesus,Jesus was unique among all men due to these fact

1 He came down from heaven to earth. He knows God physically before he came to the world. no man ever decend from heaven except him.

2. He did not born of sexual intercourse of man and woman. His birth was very unique to birth of every other men.

3. He did not marry because that was not his mission on earth, nor committ fornication.

4. He did not speak or use abusive or dirty words in his life time.

5 He was man of peace and love,he has no enemy but the people who took him as their enemy. He even pray for the people how hate him and crucified him, before he died on the cross.

6 He was full with holy spirit than any other man.

7 He did not value the world and things in it than the word of God.

Please can muslims in the house tell us why prophet Muhammed was unique to all other men?

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