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TAO11:
Of course. Lol. What's your point??

You bungled again as always.

Lol...what I meant was that there is no mention of 1603 relating with oba orhorgbua in ur article...I love reading ur posts..but i must say there are inconsistencies in ur posts

davidnazee:
Here is a bit of your history since it’s already obvious that you don’t know your history..

Lagos history is Awori history..
Benin Kingdom shaped Lagos history..
Benin Kingdom shaped Awori history..

You can’t keep deceiving yourself.

Bro what's the name of ur article

TAO11:
Read attached below, oh ye student of Edo-blogs.

Lol...16th century and 1603 ain't the same

Notice the Op hasn't come out to tell us the online biz that he's doing

Another example of No one would tell u abt his source of livelihood except u are his source of livelihood

u dey find trouble

Amujale:
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Again, inconsequential content.You are sinply making the point for me.

All the countries you mention was either colonised or under the control of foreign governments.

Enslaved by whom?

You're quoting 1300, slavery lasted for over 2000 years dude.

The point i was alluding to is that chattel slavery and the slavetrade was invented by the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

There was no such thing as chattel slavery or a slavetrade prioe to the distruption of the Arabian fumdamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.
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go and sleep

Ur brain is so filled that u can't think any longer

Amujale:
You're deceiving yourself.

Learn to read properly.

You are agreeing with me that there was never a slavetrade on the African continent prior to the distruption of the Arabian fubdamentalist and Eutocentric warmongers.

The above book covers Ghana slavery 15th and above.

What is the point in citing content that is afterwards.

The point i am making to you here is a historical fact.

There was never ever a slavetrade on the continent prior to the arrival of the Arabian fundamentalist and the Eurocentric warmongers.

ayoola27:
In
Perbi, Akosua (April 5, 2001). "Slavery and the Slave Trade in Pre-colonial Africa
A Ghanaian historian said
Slavery was widespread in Africa, with both internal and external slave trade".



According to "Welcome to Encyclopædia Britannica's Guide to Black History"

In the
Senegambia region, between 1300 and 1900, close to one-third of the population was enslaved. In early states of the western Sahel, including Ghana , Mali , Segou , and
Songhai , about a third of the population were enslaved.

pls lemme see ur own source...

anything else..u won't get a mention from me

Amujale:
You're deceiving yourself.

Learn to read properly.

You are agreeing with me that there was never a slavetrade on the African continent prior to the distruption of the Arabian fubdamentalist and Eutocentric warmongers.

The above book covers Ghana slavery 15th and above.

What is the point in citing content that is afterwards.

The point i am making to you here is a historical fact.

There was never ever a slavetrade on the continent prior to the arrival of the Arabian fundamentalist and the Eurocentric warmongers.

u are clearly biased that u can't see the difference between Africa and Ghana

The title of the book clearly states Black and African history.. not just Ghana


Ur hypocrisy stinks abeg

Still waiting to see ur book sha

TAO12:
Okay, thank you for admitting point blank, without mincing words, that Benin Kingdom did indeed use Yoruba language as its lingua-franca as attested by the documentation of the visiting French Father in the year 1640.

Cheers!

Nobody dey follow u quarrel Na..

Time done reach make u go sleep

Abi Na fvck dey hungry u like dis...


U dey argue like person wey nor get work...as u don talk ur mind...go withdraw am for access bank Na
mtcheew

TAO12:
I see what you're doing.

But in the process of doing that, you also showed that you know that Europeans document the use of Yoruba language as lingua-franca in Benin Kingdom.

Cheers!

So what's ur point?

Did I say anything else...

I'm just pointing out the fact that..He believes Benin spoke Yoruba at one period because it was written by a European but refuses to believe that slavery already existed in Africa even when it was said by a European...

Abeg don't disturb me

Amujale:
How can i belive something that is false.

Let me make it easier for all of us to understand better, the notion that Africans sold other Africans into slavery is false, the Arabian fundamentalist were the real culprits.

All the blame of slavery lies at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

The Arabian fundamentalist started a human trafiking racketeer in Libya. In other words, they began a new slavetrade.

The only Mzungu you'll see me quoting are the righteous ones, the pro African ones i.e Martin Bernal e.t.c

Africans invented the concept of literacy.

That is to say, it was due to the diabolic and destructiveness of these foreign extremist religions that many of us arent aware of these facts.

Perharps you ought to get a copy of the book "Black People Invented Everything' by Sujan Kumar Dass.

In
Perbi, Akosua (April 5, 2001). "Slavery and the Slave Trade in Pre-colonial Africa
A Ghanaian historian said
Slavery was widespread in Africa, with both internal and external slave trade".



According to "Welcome to Encyclopædia Britannica's Guide to Black History"

In the
Senegambia region, between 1300 and 1900, close to one-third of the population was enslaved. In early states of the western Sahel, including Ghana , Mali , Segou , and
Songhai , about a third of the population were enslaved.

pls lemme see ur own source...

anything else..u won't get a mention from me

Amujale:
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How can i belive something that is false.

Let me make it easier for all of us to understand better, the notion that Africans sold other Africans into slavery is false, the Arabian fundamentalist were the real culprits.

All the blame of slavery lies at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

The Arabian fundamentalist started a human trafiking racketeer in Libya. In other words, they began a new slavetrade.

The only Mzungu you'll see me quoting are the righteous ones, the pro African ones i.e Martin Bernal e.t.c

Africans invented the concept of literacy.

That is to say, it was due to the diabolic and destructiveness of these foreign extremist religions that many of us arent aware of these facts.

Perharps you ought to get a copy of the book "Black People Invented Everything' by Sujan Kumar Dass.
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show me proof... Stop telling me to Goan get a copy...i have a lot of books in reading and I'm not adding that

TAO12:
Lol.

Thought I should highlight the fact that YOU KNOW that the French Father who visited Benin Kingdom in 1640 DID INDEED DOCUMENT the fact that the lingua-franca of Benin Kingdom is the Yoruba language.

Listen again to your statement which proves that you know this:

"... Benin people speak Yoruba in their kingdom ... the same Europeans wrote about [it]".

Cheers!

I was only showing his hypocrisy...Don't quote me wrong

Amujale:
Says who?

The people who participated in slavery?

You can pass me with that rhetoric, according to our historians there was no slavery in Africa prior to the arrival of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

Their was no chattel slavery, a slave trade ever in African history prior to foreign distruption. The slaves in African history was another word for prisoner. i.e prisoner of the state, in rare instances POW's e.t.c

Furthermore, i will go with our historians against any Eurocentric narrative.

My response, is Shut Up, how dare you talk ish about any African country when your parents was heavily involved in the slavetrade.

My thing is, Paul should write the history on how the Eurocentric will return all our stolen aretefacts or STFU.

So now..u don't believe when Europeans wrote that Africans were already involved in slave trade b4 their coming but u believe that Benin pple speak Yoruba in their kingdom that the same Europeans wrote about...

Guy u be clown

I'm still waiting for the African historian that said there was no slavery b4 the Europeans coming...


If u like...use emotions and cry on my mention...I must see ur proof...

At least I've shown u mine

Nairaland clown

According to Lovejoy, Paul E. (2012). Transformations of Slavery: A History of Slavery in Africa. London: Cambridge University Press.
Slavery was a part of the economic structure of African societies for many centuries, although the extent varied.
Also in Noel King (ed.), Ibn Battuta in Black Africa , Princeton 2005, p. 54.
Ibn Battuta , who visited the ancient kingdom of
Mali in the mid-14th century, recounts that the local inhabitants vied with each other in the number of slaves and servants they had, and was himself given a slave boy as a "hospitality gift

Amujale:
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You have a comprehension problem, as you seem to find it hard to comprehend history.

There was never a slavetrade anywhere in Africa prior to the disruption of the Arabian fundamentalist warmongers.

You need to go and reeducate yourself regarding the slavetrades that occured on the continent.

One of them was called the Portuguese slavetrade for a reason.

These are the horific campaigns that lasted for over 2,000 years.

ℹArabian also knowm as the Transaharan
ℹPortuguese
ℹTransatlantic

Furthermore, there was never a slavetrade anywhere in Yorubaland , STOP IT.

You dont know what you're on about.

It isnt a game dude.

Foreign slavery that lasted for over 2000 years destroyed our continent, chattel slavery.

Theres no terminology for slave in the Yoruba language.

Eru used to mean 'prisoners of the state' or POW, most eru was known to be in receipt of wages, doesnt mean - slave as in slavery or the slave trade.

There was never such a slavetrade on the continent prior to the arrival of foreign warmongers.

Slavery began with the arrival of Islam and Christianity.

Give yourself brain.
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U lack comprehension...what research have u done towards that

According to Lovejoy, Paul E. (2012). Transformations of Slavery: A History of Slavery in Africa. London: Cambridge University Press.

Slavery was a part of the economic structure of African societies for many centuries, although the extent varied.
Also in Noel King (ed.), Ibn Battuta in Black Africa , Princeton 2005, p. 54.
Ibn Battuta , who visited the ancient kingdom of
Mali in the mid-14th century, recounts that the local inhabitants vied with each other in the number of slaves and servants they had, and was himself given a slave boy as a "hospitality gift


Slavery always existed in Africa prior to the Europeans coming...

I would have posted the pics...but I don't know what is wrong with nairaland

Do ur research and improve ur brain

TAO12:
I think you should take your own advice of not being drunk.

Moreover, my fun question remains:

Why do you impersonate as Yoruba with your moniker?

Las Las u are drunk... until u are able to prove that I'm an impersonator...u nor get sense...

TAO12:
https://www.nairaland.com/5846948/benin-yoruba-speaking-empire/9#90343890
Fun Question Again: Why are you impersonating with your moniker?

I don't know who u are comparing me to...
check the time of this account

TAO12:
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I hope you're aware that your original straw-clutching point in this regard have been debunked.

Fun question: Why did you originally impersonate as Yoruba -- your moniker??

cc: Amujale[/s]

Don't be drunk

TAO12:
(1) I'm not sure how you fail to read the testimony of the King of Ososo where he clearly said that he is Edo and that his ancestors are originally from Benin city.

Read the attachment again, but this time around with your eyes open (focusing on the red dot).


(2) I am not sure what you're trying to prove by bringing up Auchi which I actually never brought up.

But to educate you, Auchis originally migrated from Benin City too.

So, you can use that information for whatever purpose you intend.

You need to know what you're talking about before embarrassing yourself publicly. Okay?

Conclusion:
So, regardless of the angle from which you choose to look at it, the Ososos (and your Auchis) are all Binis especially considering their ethnic origins.

Attachment From:
R.E. Bradbury, The Benin Kingdom and The Edo-Speaking Peoples of South-Western Nigeria, 1957, p.112.

U see that it was doubtful...both kings made different claim and the writer chose the one that suits hime more

And pls...since u argue mostly with facts.. lemme see where auchi migrated from Benin

TAO12:
(1) Of course they aren't Yoruba -- and the attachment made it clear where they distinguished themselves clearly from Yorubas.

The account of their King clearly shows them to be Edos originally from Benin City. [See 1st attachement for reminder]

And according to you, Edos and Benin are one and the same thing -- Not one atom of difference. [See 2nd attachment to see a reminder when you made this claim in reply to BabaRamota]

(2) I have modified the foregoing comment and replied you there.

See below again:


Each of those two highlighted attachments in that comment are from different sources.

Also, they are not books, they are peer-reviewed academic journal articles.

(a) One is from R.C.C. Law's "Ethnicity and the Slave Trade: "Lucumi" and "Nago" as Ethnonyms in West Africa", Published by: Cambridge University Press, in the Journal: History in Africa, Vol. 24 (1997).

(b) The second is from John K. Thonton's "Traditions, Documents, and the Ife-Benin Relationship", Published by: Cambridge University Press, in the Journal: History in Africa, Vol. 15 (1988).

that attachment does not in anywhere state that they were Benin...pls can u underline it for me for better clarity...

and u don't get it...Bini are edo and Edo are Bini...but u can't refer to an auchi person as Bini Because they are from Edo state

Amujale:
Its important to note that Africans never enslaved other African prior to foreign distruption.

What you are finding funny is treachery, Stop peddling these false narratives.

The slavetrade in Africa lasted for 2000 years; begins by the Arabiam fundamentalist with the Arabian slave trade, then the Portuguese slave trade and finally the Transatlantic slavetrade.

The Potuguese were the ones who started that slavetrade, stop blaming innocent people.

The people that was stolen away from Africa are heroes forever more.

The portuguese stole and tricked people, chiefs, professionals and dignitaries was stolen and forced into slave labour at the otherside of the globe.

Thats what happened, thats the correct narrative.

I hope that clears that up.

All the blame of slavery lies at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

So what was the reason for the conquest prior to European coming?

was it not to still get slaves... Stop blaming the Europeans...

When u conquer a territory..The conquered becomes ur subjects and u do whatever u want with them... Oyo Empire did it, Benin Empire did it..Asante did it...

abeg...slavery has always been since time immemorial

TAO12:
Ososo is Yoruba yet they said Our houses were burn by Yoruba people. Lol.

Which book do I owe you? Did you at anytime pay me for any book? I'm confused now.

But they weren't Benin Sha...

I'm just trying to get the name of the book

no vex

TAO12:
An evidence would have helped you do a better job of chasing this people out of the Edo ethnic group.

Even though your brothers here on Nairaland are silently calling you fool.

Any such evidence??

but u know ososo is part of akoko Edo Yoruba...not Benin...

afar the book ns

BabaRamota1980:
Thank you for bringing this out. There was distinct division between Edo and Bini. Nigerian politics muddled things up and it was further diluted when Edo state was created. There is distinction between Bini and Edo. Edo are slaves, Binis are aristocrats and nobles. Yhese guys here Edos, none of them is Bini. They hope and struggle to be Bini. When i used to come here regular and spit on their ancestors i always tell them they can never be Bini. Their response is always that there is no difference or distinction, that Edo is Bini. Till date I have never heard Lagos monarchy say it was from Edo. They aleays claim Bini root. Ypruba dont give a fvk about Edo. Bini belongs to us. That has always been my focus here. Edos are slaves to Bini. I will fvk up an Edo person. They are witches. Becareful dont touch any broom on a stick. These people are wicked. Look in Edo history and you see its all about exile, banishment, treachery, enmity, uprising, poisoning. They are wicked. I tell Yoruba if you ever fall in love with anyone in Edo State make sure to do your homework and ascertain their ancestral background. They must be Bini, not Edo. Wicked people. I cant stand Igbo but I have sympathy for them because they have been through a lot. I cant stand Edo and I have zero sympathy for Edo. In fact ill fvk Edo up. These people are wicked. They anger me.

Bros.. Edo and Benin are the same...

no difference guy...

Edo means pride in Benin

TAO12:
(1) Regarding your reference to "the palace in the so-called "other attachment", the author (Thornton) himself made it clear that he was unsure if those so-called "Yorubas" were indeed Yorubas ethnically (e.g. the Oyos, etc.) or merely some people from a different ethnic group who have only adopted the Yoruba language (e.g. some Baribas, etc.).

(2) The statement about Yoruba language being the lingua-franca of the whole Benin Kingdom is separate and distinct from the above scenario.

The fact that Benin Kingdom used Yoruba language as lingua-franca is attested by the French missionary father's documentation at Benin in the 1600s. This has been cited again and again ad-nauseum.

In fact, your so-called "other attachment" which you alluded to also cites the French missionary father's work on the historical fact that Benin Kingdom and others used Yoruba language as lingua-franca.

Check the last bottom lines of your so-called "other attachment" (in the 3rd attachment below).

Cheers!

cc: Amujale

sorry...Na this book I dey find...

wetin be the name..

Amujale:
You're correct but its important to note that the Yoruba language predates Latin.

All the major Nigerian languages predate anything coming out of either Asia or Europe.

And yes, i agree with you that the Benin Empire used Yoruba as their official language.

Hence, you are absolutely correct in your main determination, Benin was a Yoruba speaking Empire.

I read the other attachment ...it clearly states that Yoruba were employed in the palace...as slaves ...not like it was their their lingua franca...

even father Columbine of Nantes was chased out of Benin because he angered the chiefs

I'm still waiting for the book sha

TAO12:
(1) No sorry! But I understand how this makes you feel though . You brought this upon yourself. Lol.

Anyways, Ososo, Osi, Ebune, Ugbosi, Ibillo, Ekor, Ekpesa, Lankpese, Ibiekuma, Ekpe, and many others are all Edos.

In fact, one of your brothers here, davidnazee has already admitted that all these are Edos.

So, don't worry about your damage control. It's not useful.

Guess what! Sane people don't even need you or davidnaze to know that these are Edos.

The testimony of the people themselves make it clear that they weren't Yorubas but Edos.

Listen again: "Ososo people say their [ancestors'] houses [were] burnt by Yoruba [during the Ibadan raids of Benin Kingdom]".

Listen again: It was a raid, not a conquest to dwell amidst them. The objective of such raid is simple. It is to capture these Binis and keep them as domestic slaves or sell them overseas.


(2) This is not the Ogedengbe Ilesa raid on Benin Kingdom.

No, this is the Aje Ibadan raid on Benin Kingdom.

Two different raids and rape of Benin Kingdom by the Yorubas.

And I am waiting for any academic piece which says Ogedengbe was killed by the Binis whom he raided and tortured.

cc: BabaRamota1980

what's the name of the book u posted

pls...is there an app that I can use to learn HTML with Android

packman:
The style still remains the best style...
Can't have my child arrest me...
Never

Bro..pls ur link isn't working

Ginomel:
Acerbically expressed points could look very unfriendly and sensitive to a fellow , he could react and someone will conclude he is cantankerous.

cantankerous is big grammar... he's very rude