GorkoSusaay:


Nice write-up Baabaaliyo. Very informative indeed.
Could we say that Hausa and Fulani have more or less the same culture since the 18th century? What I mean is that people of Kano, Sokoto and Jigawa, have the same cultural referents, whether they are Hausa or Fulani by descent.
The funny thing is that back home in Senegal, anybody that comes from Northern Nigeria is called "Hausa" even if they are Fulani like me. Mainly due to the language

Thanks for the compliment.

Yeah Hausa and Fulani more or less have thesame culture in this region (Northwest), especially those living in Towns and Cities, the mutual culture is neither that of the Fulani nor Hausa, it's more of Islam. You will see that names, weddings, Festivals and mode of dressing are mostly done according to the Islamic teachings mainly, though there are some little variations in they way some Fulani do theirs.

Yeah Everybody Like to refer to us as Hausas even here in Nigeria, provided u speak Hausa fluently and u are from Northern Nigeria they will call u Hausa.

MISCONCEPTIONS AND REALITIES ABOUT THE USAGE OF THE EXPRESSION
" HAUSA FULANI"


The expression Hausa Fulani is wrongly use by most people (especially those from the Southern part of Nigeria) to refer to the ethnicity of the people of Northern Nigeria. Most Southerners have this misconception that any person from North of the country is Hausa Fulani. To further the misconception some Northerners when asked about their ethnicity they always replied with; Hausa fulani (I am also guilty of thus).

THE REALITY

Not all Northerners are Hausa Fulani ( Infact some Fulanis are Fulani only and some Hausas are only Hausa) there are numerous Northerners that have their own language and culture though hardly you find a single adult amongst them who cannot speak the Hausa language. This set of people are mostly found in North-east and North-central parts of Nigeria, in states like Borno, Adamawa, Taraba, Niger, Nassarawa and Kaduna among others. Some of the languages found around these areas include ; Kanuri, Nupe, Gwari, Janjo, Bachama, Wurkum, Mumuye, Kona, Jukun, Tiv, Igbara, babur and Igala to mention but a few.

Then Who are the Hausa fulani ??

In reality Hausa fulani are a set of people found among the people Inhibiting the North-western part of Nigeria, which comprises of Jigawa, Kano, Katsina, Zamfara, Sokoto and Kebbi states including some part of Kaduna state: Kaduna North to be specific ( Not to be confused with Kaduna North Local Government Area).

Originally this region was wholly occupied and ruled by the Hausa people, but some where between the 15th and 16th century the Fulani people started immigrating and settling in this region, some as nomads and others as Clerics and advisers in the courts of some Hausa Kings.

In 1804 " Shehu Usumanu Dan Fodiyo" (Usman Fodio) lead an Islamic renaissance that toppled almost all the Hausa ruling dynasties, this singular action (of Shehu Usman) is what culminated into the intermix of Hausa and Fulani people. Henceforth giving rise to "Hausa Fulani."

But politically the expression 'Hausa fulani' is use by the North-westerners not only to identify those intermix breed but also to refer to the ethnicity of the whole indigenous population living in this region who are either Hausa, Fulani or both.

So in essence, when any person uses the expression 'Hausa Fulani', that person is knowingly or un-knowingly referring to either of the followings:

1) Hausa as a separate tribe and Fulani as a separate tribe, but all of them living together in one region.

2) A set of people found in Northwestern Nigeria who due to inter-marriage between their Hausa and Fulani ancestors can no longer distinguish between; wether they are Hausa or Fulani. But these people know that they are a product of both, hence they always identify themselves as "Hausa fulani.

3) A set of people in the Northwest, who are full blooded Fulani but have lost their Fula language and part of the fulani culture, they adopted the Hausa language and some part of the Hausa Culture. So they have fulani blood and look every bit Fulani but can not speak the Fulani language, they speak Hausa as their first language.

So next time you use the expression "Hausa fulani" be sure of what you mean by the expression.

Thanks.

VomeSchakleton:

That's great brother, so am I.

Masha Allah, happy to hear that.

GorkoSusaay:


Thank you for your input once again Baaballiyo.
My crackpot theory goes down the drain but you can see the legitimation behind all these foundational myths.
About Bayajidda, the idea is that he might be more symbolic in Hausa history than historic. Bayajidda might have existed (and be Abu Yazid al-Nukkari) in Hausaland's collective memory through the actions of his followers, sons..etc

Are these indigenous sources available on the Internet? In English preferably? How to get them? Seems like late emir Ado Bayero wrote a book about Kano History. I would kill to read it.

He (Bayajidda) was SYMBOLIC Indeed.

Unfortunately most of the books were hardcopies written in Hausa language.

Actually the book ( Littafin Tarihin Kano )was first written by Amir Muhammadu Ballu (r.1883-1892)[ not to be confused with Sultan Muhammadu Ballu] but last reviewed and updated by Amir Abdullahi Bayero (r. 1926-1953) [ not Amir Ado Bayero]. The book in not published in whole and circulated, but a copy is kept in the Royal library for reference only by selected few who are given access to the Royal archives.

VomeSchakleton:


That's pretty cool. Are you from kano state?

Yes.

EnlightenedSoul:


I realize that...it does vary from person to person within virginity, but it's usually a whole different ball game after it's been 'lost', so to speak, and that's my point and what I was comparing (pre to post). The thoughts you described are nothing out of the ordinary. In fact, they're pretty normal. Lust isn't some evil in need of eradication. It's healthy, and a lot of times it's all what you need, lol. I get the sense that you're somewhat ashamed of your thoughts, but you really shouldn't be.

And you've never loved someone? I wonder how you survived years in Cali where a lot of the population is young, fit, and image-obsessed, and where the weather often calls for short dresses, or a nice pair of shorts, and your legs practically sing out to be free, lol?

I don't see that as a problem, tho. That sex is everywhere isn't some Western movie conspiracy, because sex really is everywhere. Meanwhile, the Kannywood you mention is probably Islam-influenced and prefers to portray some alternate universe wherein sex and lust are non-existent, but which, in the same vein, I can understand is probably a whole lot easier to digest for people who're trying to abstain.

[size=1pt]Honestly, tho, dare I say it, Fula, you really sound like need to pushed off that precipice STAT, if you don't mind me saying. And I think you're idealizing me a great deal. I mean, your last sentence there...is just too much, and I can't accept it, because it ISN'T true. I have my own set of flaws, I promise you. [/size]

What a humble soul u are. I agree with Fulaman's second to the last sentence and agree with ur profile name; U are indeed an enlightened soul.

VomeSchakleton:
Baaballiyo

You sound extremely learned on this issue. Where do you get your sources from?

Alot of sources both written and oral. But with regards to written sources, I always restrict myself to indigenous writters (I don't like those written by Europeans) . So most of the books /papers I read were written in Hausa language or in English by indigenous Hausa/Fulani, some were royal translation of works written in either Arabic or Fulfulde into Ajami. Let me mention few of them
* Hausawa da Maqwabtansu 1 & 2.
* Magajin Bawo.
* Sarkin Ban Kano, Jagora Abin Koyi.
* Sarkin Kano Alhaji Ado Bayero Tarihin rayuwarsa tun daga haihuwa zuwa yau.
* Prince of The times.
* History and Geneology of the Gyanawa. Among others.


For oral sources I have access to them by virtue of being opportuned to share the last few years of the lives of all my four grandparents, including two of my greatgrand parents, also from some very old former slaves. But on this issue the most valuable oral info I gathered is from the reigning "Sarkin Labaran Daura" who is presently the custodian of all royal information of the Daura Emirate, of Katsina State in Nigeria.

Daurama was disappointed when she found out that their hero was a foreigner, hence she decided to got married to him rather than offering him half of her domain, and also offering him a Gwari slave girl as a concubine.


To me the issue of Banza Bakwai is a fabricated one by the Hausa supremacist theorists who want us to believe most of Northern/central Nigeria was under the rule of the Hausas since time immemorial. The Hausa Bakwai was real, because grandsons of bayajidda ( sons to Bawo) ruled the following Kingdoms of Hausa Land:
DAURA: Gazaura dan Bawo.

KANO: Bagauda Dan Bawo.

KATSINA: Kumayau dan Bawo.

ZAZZAU: Gunguma dan Bawo.

GOBIR: Duma dan Bawo.

RANO: Zamna-kogi dan Bawo " Autan Bawo" (who was the last born son of Bawo).

GARUN GABAS: They say it was ruled by the son Bayajidda begets with princess Magira daughter of the Kenembu (Borno) King. To me I believe the inclusion of this Kingdom was also another theory of the Hausa supremacists bc if it's true they ought to have named him like the others. Only the above mentioned six kingdoms were reliably ruled by the sons of Bawo, so I think it should be
" Hausa Shida" ( Six Hausa states)

About the Banza Bakwai they say the kingdoms were ruled by the sons born to Karab-da-gari which include:

ZAMFARA
NUPE
KEBBI
GWARI
YAWURI
ILORIN
KWARARRAFA.

But according to a Daura relic an undated book written in Arabic named GIRGAM, the only reliable information is that Karab-da-gari was given a title by Bawo called " Magaji bayamadi " which is among the highest ranks in Daura to date and up to date his descendents are the heirs to the title.The Magaji bayamadi is the custodian of all relics of the Emirate and also provide close body protection to the King/Emir.

Bayajidda was a real figure not an idealisation or a myth, but he is not the father of Hausas, but his siblings may be credited as the first that paved the way for the creation of Hausa Kingdoms. Though they call him Abu yazid, he was named Bayajidda in Daura which is the corruption of the sentence " Ba ya ji da" ( meaning: The one that is not hearing before) I.e. Not hearing Hausa language.

Hausaland never had female rulers, Only Daura was a matriarchal society in Hausa land, their first 17 rulers (Magajiya/Daurama) were all women and bayajidda came to Daura during the rule of Daurama Shawata, except in the 15th Century when Amina (Queen Amina) ruled zazzau (Zaria).


The Snake SARKI was not worshiped by the people of Daura bc when the Daurama learnt of it's (Sarki) demise she promised half of her Kingdom to whoever prove that he was the one that killed it, if they worshiped it then the one that killed it will be condemned not rewarded.

halfricanadian:
In timi dakolo's voice * iyawo mi ololufe mi ore mi akayo mi said i will love u forever*

*wen i av got nothing else to say i will love u forever*

i'm goin emotional again

Help pls who has a tough heart i need to buy

Mine is soft like agege bread

I've got one but it's not for sale. Nonetheless I can lend it to u for free but only after u looked inside/within you and be strong then u will finally realise that u won't need a strong heart to buy or rent bc ur heart is not as fragile/soft as u think.

We fall in love not knowing why nor how, it's a feeling so complicated that, we just love no matter how stupid we become, to LIVE is to LOVE and to LOVE is to LIVE.

GorkoSusaay:


Amin ya rabbi. The Waziri Gidado dan Laima is one of the lesser known architects of the Sokoto Caliphate. I like his friendship and devotion to Sultan Bello

yea he was selfless, committed and loyal, in fact throughout the caliphate children of clerics and royals were named after his name I know people presently named Gidado that took the names from their great grand and grand parents who inturn were named after him, though most Historians, writers and reseaechers concentrate on Shehu, Muhammad Ballu, Abdullahi Gwandu and Nana Asma'u. But they say "true heroes are unsung " Gidado is one of them.

Coolgent:

If wearing hijab/big veil/gyale aint compulsory like u said, why is it must to wear hijab before prayer?

Nobody say they Must wear hijaab before prayer, they can use all sort of material, provided that material is not transparent and is big enough to cover their body. There's no hijaab during the time of the Prophet S.A W. Pls ask ur islamic teachers for more clarification.

omoharry:
oga i am not a hypocrite but only saying the truth...how come the rich men that have stolen money do not face sharia court but are charge to our regular court? why aka..babangida, abdusalam abubakah etec..how many hands or legg of these northern politicians have been cut off.Has any one ever been drag to the sharia court for persecution? hell no.. meanwhile thesame law that persecute the common man that steals a loaf of bread will turn its face to the other side when a wealthy personality is guilty of thesame crime of stealing....and you are telling me religion does not descriminate...its does and its smell to the high heavens..pls dont quote me again..i am done here.

If u want to see that happening, then advise the Federal Government to in-corporate the 'Hisbah' ( i.e. Sharia police ) Into EFCC and ICPC, and FG should also relinquish it powers to prosecute criminal cases in Federal /magistrate courts. Sharia courts are the jurisdiction of Sharia police not Nigeria police, EFCC or ICPC. So only sharia police prosecute in sharia courts, so for starters hand Over Sambo Dasuki to them and see the swiftness of the sharia courts.

Coolgent:

There is no exemption between rich & poor when it comes to Islamic principles.
What i observed is the richer you become the more you are willing to disobey the teaching of your religion.
I.e wearing Hijab is compulory to all Muslims women, but have you ever saw Aisha Buhari wearing it despite the fact that PMB is Sunni Muslim

Wearing hijab is not compulsory, what is compulsory is covering their whole body except face, toes and Palm with any non transparent and not tight fitting material not only hijaab. But I agree with ur saying, some. the more rich they become the more they tend to go astray and it's really a shame for a Prince of Kano to act in such a disrespectful manner. I don't. think he will act thus when "Takawa" ( Emir Ado Ba yero ) was alive.

GorkoSusaay:
Emir Aliyu Babba (1858-1926)during his internment at Lokoja by the British colonial authorities.

Alu Mai-sango
(Allah kyauta Makwanci)

Great men of the days gone by. What A very subtle eulogy by a dear wife.
May Allah swt, accept their deeds.

curi00:

You're welcome !!

We learn stuff everyday, it's very interesting to know different African tribes and ours African histories in general

Yes indeed very interesting.

Thanks @curi00 and Garkosusaay.
@Garkosusaay That means the Tukulors value religion (Islam) above anything. They prefer being Muslims above being anything else. I never heard of the word Tukulor and Haalpuularaen before I joined this forum/thread that's why am confused but now am gradually getting enlightenment, here in North West Nigeria (Part of the Old Sokoto Empire) we only know of Fulani (Fula) and the only subgroup we know are the Mbororo'en. Did the word "Torodbe" mean anything.

Fulaman198:


Rimbe are those of noble birth and are considered to be pure Fulani, these are the Free Fulani those who were never slaves. Rimaybe are more like assimilated people that became part of the Fulani culture but were not born of Fulani blood originally overtime, their blood line is not originally Fulani I mean, they could have become assimilated as a result of being Maccube (slaves) or war.

Wodaabe are a subgroup of Mbororo'en. So in essence, they are Boroje.

Tukulors (Toucouleurs en francais) are also another subgroup of Fulani, it's strange with them. They are referred to as Haal'pulaaren (which just means speakers of the Pulaar/Fulfulde language). They often have Full Fulani names, some with Serer, Wolof, and even Mande names. But I believe that they are considered to be Fulani. They are found mainly in Senegal and Mauritania. Their ancient kingdom was called Tekrur. Their native language is the Fulani language. The main difference between the Tukulor and other mainstream Fulani is that instead of being Herdsmen (Waynaabe), the Tukulor are often Fishermen.

Mi yetti.

But, Useni What Traits, Habits or Behaviour makes one a Wodaabe, bc it's on this tread I know of them (Wodaabe) but I do know the Mbororo'en we use to host them in our district twice yearly when they travel from and back to Niger Republic.

And about the Tukulors, do they have thesame ancestry/blood with the other Fulani Groups ? And they just abandon the Nomadic culture or do they have a different ancestry/blood ? They just adopted the Fulfulde and forget their Language.

Fulaman198:


What would you like to know?

(1) Difference between Rimbe and Rimaybe.
(2) Difference between Wodaabe and Mbororo'en ( bararoji as we call them here)
(3) About the Tukulors, bc I read a post by Omarbah insinuating ( or my be 'saying' would be the appropriate word ) that the Sullubawa Fulani Clan of Kano and Katsina are Tukulors not Fulanis.

Nonetheless, I was abled to read all post from the first to the last I was indeed amazed, enlightened, educated atimes confused or disgusted.
Being ' The prodigal son' ( Hausa Fulani ) of the Fula, I would like to ask some questions and may be clarify some issues regarding the Fulani/Hausa Fulani in North West Nigeria.

Wow ! I wish I was here when the thread was so active and hot, when ppl lyk Omarbah, Bororojo, Takamba among others were all active. Not forgetting the controversial Axum with his obsession with Somali Hair and his hatred for the Bantus.

Hmmm very interesting Stuff by and large