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CultureRe: Was Fulani History Truly Bloody? by Baaballiyo(op): 1:22am On Jan 20, 2018
DevdanSanguine:
I partially agree with those who remain in the grey area but here are my two cents on the issue.

I think this perception stems from the fact that the defining/kairotic moment of fulani history was the wars they fought and prior to this there isnt much of note. The fact that this happened as recently as 2 centuries ago further strengthens this perception. Their name is synonymous with war.

Think of the scandinavians/vikings, who perhaps have the bloodiest history in the world but today have gone on to build the most ideal countries in the world. When you think about scandinavian countries the first thing that comes to your mind is peace and stability and they seem to have shaken off that identity.

Same cant be said about fulanis and their nations who have remained stagnant and penury strucken with no real sense of progress.

While i agree that they are not particularly blood thirsty as people ignorantly believe, it will take time and more importantly they as a people coming together to make something of themselves and let something positive other than war define them. Until then this tag will remain tattooed on their backs.
@Bolded, going by wat u said, then It seems that tag will remained tattooed on our backs, bc unlike the Scandinavians, Fulani inspite of their population do not have the absolute majority in a single Country in Africa and to say we'll summon all Fulani from all over the world and establish our nation that wud be impossible.

But why does this tag remain with the Fulani only, inspite of most tribes have their own respective bloody eras in the past ? There are simple reasons,
First it's only in Nigeria that Fulani are tagged as thus, not even in Niger Republic, go to other countries with significant Fulani populations you won't see them tagged as thus. Secondly, most Nigerian Media houses or those controlling them wanted to demonise the Fulani for reasons better known to them. Most may give the clumsy excuse of the frequent clashes with herdsmen of Fulani extraction. First the herdsmen are not up to 10% of Nigerian Fulani, within this 10% not morethan 3% get involved in clashes. So for the sins of a few a whole tribe is condemned. Why wud the Media always use "Fulani herdsmen" ? As if there are another herdsmen that are not Fulani. Why not use only herdsmen only without attaching the Fulani jst like they do when Armed robbers or Kidnappers or Traffickers are apprehended. They don't Report the story, As Ibo robbers, Yoruba robbers, Hausa robbers, Kanuri robbers, Ijaw or Tiv Robbers, Kidnappers or traffickers.

No matter how developed or successful the Vikings are today, if they live in Nigeria of today and someone want do demonise them they wud surely be. Besides Fulani people are amongst the most successful people in Nigeria today. They're only being crucified bc of the sins of a few amongst them, and because some people are hell bent on rubbishing them.
EventsRe: Nigerian Man Marries His German Girlfriend In Anambra (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 1:12am On Jan 10, 2018
Fulaman198:
No problem, sorry for my improper behaviour.
cheesy "Wala damuwa" we're humans, once in a while our other side succeed in getting the better of us.
EventsRe: Nigerian Man Marries His German Girlfriend In Anambra (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 11:07pm On Jan 09, 2018
Fulaman198:
I think what you are tying to say is where is my modesty/humility? which would be "Noy semteende ma?"

In any case, I apologize, I'm sorry (Waddu munyal).
Yes that's what am trying to say, thanks for the correction.

smiley
EventsRe: Nigerian Man Marries His German Girlfriend In Anambra (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 8:50pm On Jan 09, 2018
Fulaman198:
Big Black C**k, if you want you can pull my pants down and wait for it to get hard (that's the only time it's big). When it is soft it is small-ish but it can get huge if you are willing to wait cheesy
Bandirawo noi pulaaku ma ? wink
CultureRe: The "REAL" Hausa by Baaballiyo(m):
AlderFadington:
Like I pointed out, Christian missionaries have done a good job at targeting pagan villages.

And I also pointed out, their religion does not change or skew what is and what isn't Hausa culture since they subscribe to the same thing like you pointed out and that was the question at hand.
Yess they (Missionaries) were successful indeed wit the pagans, they where rejected and/or prevented to preach in Towns and Cities of Hausaland, so they took to remote Villages where they found most of the population were either Pagans or nominal Muslims.
CultureRe: The "REAL" Hausa by Baaballiyo(m): 3:50pm On Jan 04, 2018
Cocolatti:
Some people commenting here were arguing with me in another thread that there are no Hausa Christians. That they've never met or heard of it. And these guys claim they are Hausa from the north. I decided to let them be when I discovered that they are being mischievous due to religious sentiment.
Yeah, most Hausa and Fulani alike (especially those in North-West) don't think there are Hausa or Fulani Christians bc they may never come across them, since they are mostly found in remote villages and even if they come to towns/cities u you'll hardly know they're Christians bc they mostly bear Hausa names (which for the most part are Muslim names) they dress, talk, behave and act exactly like main stream Hausa people, you hv to be vry close to them or spend a lot of time wit them for you to know they're Christians.
CultureRe: Was Fulani History Truly Bloody? by Baaballiyo(op): 12:12pm On Jan 03, 2018
ImperialYoruba:
grin grin grin

Is it by force to show you know English?


Speakeasy, all these semantics should be reserved as enamores to wow and daze your fellow fulani, it makes no mark with this Yoruba son.

First, the word confusion is overused in nairaland. Find a replacement for the curveball.


Your inability to connect my rhetoric with the mainstay shows gap in your appreciation for prose in language art. The question does not challenge the preceeding point but rather pricks thoughts and reflections....it is a hook, offered to engage the audience! Penmanship is an art!


Contention on the application of conquest.... How else do you hope to overpower an opposition army beside the use of force? What, you want to play the melody of your flute to persuade them to lay down weapon and concede defeat? grin grin. You are immature!


Its an injustice to the victims of fulani that were killed refusing to believe in the falsehood you propagate as Islam.


Yorubas are by far better practitioners of Islamic doctrines than Fulani, and we have never shed blood to win converts for Allah. Look at Yoruba society and compare with yours if you want to harp on favors of Allah to those who obey him. How has Allah favored you for shedding blood? Like I said you are immatured to even admit that you earn reward from Allah by killing unbelievers or those that protect them.

Was the Arabman not one that introduced Islam to you? How come he does not have almajiri on his streets? Is that part of Islam or another of your scam to retain power and keep slavery intact in your society?


Why does Arabman not kidnap 10yr old girls in his country and force into marriage? Is that Islam or your perversion at full throttle?

Does Quran endorse homosexuality? Why is this everywhere in your society?

Come clean dude, fulani is a kafir! Your hands are soiled and your hearts are impure!
Hmm, this one is getting angry and unreasonable, Instead of responding to the issues I raised you choose to add to your list of accusations and try turning the issue into Yoruba Muslims vs Fulani. No where in my response did I said Allah has favoured Fulani over anyone. . Sorry I don't do Tribal-bigotry. BesidesYoruba Muslims are my brothers/sisters in religion, the rest of the Yorubas are also my brothers/sisters in that we belong to thesame Nation.
CultureRe: Was Fulani History Truly Bloody? by Baaballiyo(op): 11:08pm On Jan 02, 2018
darkhorizon:
No matter what flaw you want to spot in my tribe, my tribesmen are not cold blooded killers like yours.
Yes, that's why I called your tribe Angelic. But it seems like u are not willing to let us know. Dont you want us to learn from you ?
CultureRe: Was Fulani History Truly Bloody? by Baaballiyo(op):
ImperialYoruba:
It appears you are unable to recognise rhetorical questions when you see one.

The question "one wonders why fulani took jihad to kanuri", is a followup on the already presented case....and a rhetoric. Learn ftom this.

Conquest is a victory won by overpowering, no more no less. Conquest can be achieved in a voluntary war or an involuntary war.
Learn from this.


The topic is not specific to Shehu and non-Shehu, it addresses fulani. Those who succeeded Shehu and waged jihad war into Islamic State of Borno were they fulani? grin
Learn from this.


You do agree that many of your history of conquests were embellished and presented with falsehood.

Example: raiding villages, burning down communities and rayping women and holding captives to be sold to Arab slavers, then documenting them as jihad to convert disbelievers.



Did Allah appoint you as his soldiers or did you appoint yourself as agents of Allah?
Your rhetorical question does not absolved you from confusion, bc by putting forward the question you showed that you are oblivious of what really took place.

Well, can you tell me where you got your definition of the word "Conquest". Though a word may has many meanings, but a word always have a popular and basic meaning, and I do not see where the meaning of Conquest included "overpowering" without the use of force. So direct me to where u find ur meaning so that I would learn from it.

I am personally absolving Shehu not the generation that followed him, bc it's an injustice to him to say what u said about him. The fight with Borno (which started during the life time of Shehu) was also not a Jihad but a struggle btw two powerful Empires. And it started as a result of Borno helping and arming pagan tribes against the Fulani. And whoever helped a non Muslim against his Muslim brother has performed a despicable act and therefore fighting him also bcm permissible. Learn from this.

As for your last paragraph you need to give real proofs that falsehoods where written, not hearsays.


No one will fight in the Name of Allah and bcm successful (like the Fulani bcm) without having Allah's mandate. If you fight in the name of Allah and failed then you don't have Allah's mandate. For the army of Allah will always be successful. Learn from this.
CultureRe: The "REAL" Hausa by Baaballiyo(m): 8:34pm On Jan 01, 2018
ehikwe22:
You're not making sense. You blame spreading news about herdsmen murder on religion, tribes and religion. Would you they rather sweep it under the rug? Muslims have been known to massacre their own in the cause of jihad. They kill others and kill themselves too but that's not a point to invalidate the act of jihad. in jihad, they kill everyone that doesn't agree with their own version of jihad. yes, Fulanis are nobodys friends. They even kill Hausa Kanuri people sometimes. Hausas are their slaves and they do whatever they like with them. But Kanuris are a harder Nut for them. Who is stopping them from grazing their cattle? Oh, you rather they allow them graze their cattles in people's farm? Please listen to your write up and ask yourself what sense you're making.
What a bitter and ignorant soul.
CultureRe: Was Fulani History Truly Bloody? by Baaballiyo(op): 8:04pm On Jan 01, 2018
ImperialYoruba:
There is a stark distinction between the territorial wars fought by Yoruba, when compared with the Fulani wars.

In many instances other kingdoms signed a treaty of peace with Yoruba for protection against other ambitious Empires.

Our wars were involutary, provoked by an Empire hostile to one of our allies or with direct assault on our own territory. We expanded our domain through conquests.

Fulani on the other hand fought a voluntary war to raid and pillage for slave trade and also to force faith and convert from disbelief to the religious character of your myth which you fraudulently tagged Islam.
Another confusing piece, U said your wars were involuntary and jst after few words u said " you expanded your domain through conquests". These are conflicting statements.
CultureRe: Was Fulani History Truly Bloody? by Baaballiyo(op): 7:43pm On Jan 01, 2018
ImperialYoruba:
Please focus on the topic and contribute intelligently.

Uthman dan Fodio did not fight an imperial war to subjugate territories, he campaigned for and led a religious jihad to convert disbelievers into what he fraudulently called Islam. This is a point of historical accuracy.


One has to wonder why he waged jihad against moslems in Hausaland. More troubling, why he attacked Kanuri with his campaign of Islamization when Borno was already an Islamic State ages before Fulani knew about Islam.

There has to be some underlying reasons for this jihad, hiding under the pretext of Islam is not going to cut it.
You seemed confused, first u accused bn Fodio of fighting to convert disbelievers and you later you wonder why he waged Jihad on Hausa Muslims. So please u need to differentiate btw the two before u point accusing fingers. Besides Shehu never in his life time claimed that he is making jihad upon Hausaland. He considered his movement "An Islamic renaissance movement". It was only when the Empire started to expand into pagan and Animist territories that the Empire bcms a Jihadists Empire and that was after the death of Shehu. Later historians and writers are those that ascribed "Jihad" to Shehu's Earlier Movement.

Moreover the Kanembu (Borno) Empire was not an Islamic empire, it only became so after Muhammad Elkanemi overthrew the Sayfawa dynasty and that was after the Fulani Islamic state has already established itself. Besides u can't claim the Kanuri new about Islam before the Fulani.
CultureRe: Was Fulani History Truly Bloody? by Baaballiyo(op): 7:13pm On Jan 01, 2018
darkhorizon:
Is this a joke?

What positive change does a cattle rearer with no regard for human life want to bring.

You better apply sense and sympathy if you want to praise your "demonic" tribe.

mtcheww
Tell me your own Angelic tribe and we can discuss further.
CultureRe: The "REAL" Hausa by Baaballiyo(m): 11:07pm On Dec 28, 2017
DevdanSanguine:
I've been waiting for you to show up.

Was wondering if you could email me your collection of northern Nigerian Nigeria if you have the soft copies.
I wud hv loved to, but sadly most in my possession are in Hard copies, but I've one in pdf format " Government in Kano; 1350-1950" written by M.G. Smith. Although the book is mainly about Kano it gives an insight into the Hausa people and their Culture.
CultureRe: The "REAL" Hausa by Baaballiyo(m): 10:20pm On Dec 28, 2017
Hmmm, What a funny and controversial thread. I see people love to put blame/s upon others. In this case(thread) 'Islam and Fulani' are the culprits. OP is surely not Hausa but to some extent a learned of Hausa history.

His major blunder: BORI.

Bori is not a religion (like Islam or Christianity) is a secret cult. Hausa Pagans worship a Female Goddess call "Tsumburbura" and presently I doubt if 1% of Hausa natives worship her. I believe 90-95% of native Hausa people are Muslims and 3-5% Christians, 2-3% others.
RomanceRe: Which Love Song Would You Dedicate To Your Present Lover? by Baaballiyo(m): 10:22pm On Nov 18, 2017
"I Love you" by Celinedion.
CultureRe: Coronation Ceremony Of Sarkin Fulani Of Oke Ogun by Baaballiyo(m): 10:56pm On Nov 09, 2017
JikanBaura:
Fulaman198
smiley I think brother what you intend to say is that the North east FULANI still retained much more of the Fulani culture and language in the city than their brothers in North west and that's a good thing alots of people thought Fulani speaks only hausa which is not far from the truth.

undecidedThey might thought that way maybe because they interact only with Fulani in the city . Even in the North west Kebbi,zamfara,sokoto,Katsina state Fulani still do speak their Fulani language.

winkThe logical reason why Hausa language have less impacted on Fulani (North East Nigeria) was because when the caliphate expand to North East the Hausa language had little influence or less impacted on Fulani also probably their might be some kind of second/third wave of Fulani cattle Rearers from all angles whom had settled their after the expansion.

:oI disagree their are more Fulani or Fulfulde speakers in North East than in North west. It's a portion of Fulani and Hausa in North west that creat the North east Fulani caliphate. Everybody that succeeded in his jahad must return home to summit his jahad Flag. cheesy

Brother smiley
In my opinion their are more FulFuldE (Fulani language speakers) in North west than their are Fulani FulFuldE speakers in North East.Go tO Fulani villages all around Kebbi, Sokoto, zamfara, Katsina you will attest to what i said. But Ofcause the Fulani in cities tend to speak only HAUSA (faults are to their grandparents who don't teach their children so their grand-children grow speaking only Hausa,(I'm a case in point). In the North East it's not the case cuz FulFuldE is spoken widely spoken in the cities. wink Give my words thought smiley
Exactly, I keep wondering when people say North-east hv more native Fulfulde speakers than Northwest, afterall in Northeast you only hv significant Fulani populations in Adamawa, Taraba, and Gombe. But in Northwest you hv significant populations in all the states including Kaduna State. Almost 30% (thats btw 800000-1000000ppl) of Kano North district (which is a district consisting of only 13 out of 44 LGA of Kano State) consist of Native fulfulde speakers, and the entire Fulani in Taraba are not morethan a Million likewise those in Gombe, those in Adamawa may be btw 1.5-2million, I served in the Northeast, Taraba to be precise so I know enough about the Fulani over there.
CultureRe: Coronation Ceremony Of Sarkin Fulani Of Oke Ogun by Baaballiyo(m): 3:35pm On Nov 08, 2017
Fulaman198:
There are Fulani in Nigeria that do not speak 1 word of Hausa..You can find many in Jalingo, Yola, etc. etc.
I beg to differ, though I donot know wether u used ur above statement as a figure of speech, but I dont think u wud find a single Adult Fulani who lives in Northern Nigeria for the most part of his/her life and still cant utter or comprehend "1 word of Hausa". What u said above hold mainly for small Fulani Children. Indeed there ar many Adult Fulani who cant speak/understand Hausa fluently but its hard to find one who does not know one single Hausa word.
CultureRe: What Is The Meaning/tribal Origin Of These Names; Bello, Sanni, Danjuma N Lawal? by Baaballiyo(m): 1:34am On Oct 06, 2017
dannyjesutofunmi:
What is the meaning and tribal Origin of these names; Bello, Sanni, Danjuma and Lawal? The following names (especially the first and last one) are often used across different tribes of North-central and some part of south-west but their meaning is not easy to decipher. Please help if you know their meanings.
Bello is a Fulani name, its correct pronounciation is "Beldo or Ballu" which means "Sweetness' in fulfulde but it was slightly corrupted to Bello. The full name is Muhammad Bello, it became popular because of the first Sultan of the Sokoto caliphate Sultan Muhammad Bello (r.1817-1837), and later in the 20th century because of the Sardauna of Sokoto and Premier of the Northern Region Sir Ahmadu Bello.

Sani- is a Hausa/Fulani name with Origin from the Arabic word "As-saani" which means "The second". The full name is Muhammad Saani.

Danjuuma- is a Hausa name which means "He that was born on a Friday" .

Lawal/Lawan- is also a Fulani name its correct pronounciation is "Lawol" but corrupted to "Lawal/Lawan which means "path" in fulfulde. The full name is also "Muhammad Lawol"
CultureRe: What Is The Meaning/tribal Origin Of These Names; Bello, Sanni, Danjuma N Lawal? by Baaballiyo(m):
VomeSchakleton:
baaballiyo danzubair
The name "Badamasi" originated from the name of a jurist, scholar and poet of the Maliki Madh-hab (school of thought) Abu Abdul Allah Shams al din Muhammad al badamasi, he wrote alot of books and commentaries on Malikiyya Islamic jurisprudence and his works were well known and studied by Hausaland Scholars of the 18-19th Century.

In Hausaland his poem "Al-Badamasiyya fi madh-al_nabi s.a.w" (The Badamasi in the praise of the prophet pbuh), was well known and this I believe is wat made Hausa people started naming their Sons after him, as its the tradition of Hausa people (of 18-19th) to name their children after renown Islamic scholars or sheiks E.g.

Sheik Ahmad al-Tijan - Tijjani.
Sheik Abdulqadir al-Gilan - Jilana/Jelani
Sheik Jalaluddeen al-suyut - Suyuudi

As for the meaning of the name I dont think it has any meaning bc its the name of the region or town the sheik hailed from, bc that was the style of prolific writers and Sheiks of the Islamic Middle age; to put at the end of their names the name of their towns/region and the school of thought they belong to or the Sufi order they belong to.

So just like

Tijjani, Buhari, Jilani, Suyudi
among others were names of towns/regions so also is "Badamasi".
But actually I cant trace in which region or Country this location was, but the scholar was believed to be from Egypt.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 10:32pm On Oct 01, 2017
Good.


LOL. You said this happened after the coming of al maghili and youre wrong. Its spread had nothing to do with islam and wherever it is you read that, they committed a huge blunder. Hausas have worn turbans before then. It still hasnt escaped my scrutiny, if he visited only kano and katsina, Did he visit all other hausa states and reiterated this commandnent seeing as its not limited to them?


Lol! The only wangarawas from mali are mande. Theres no reason to dispute that fact. I will try to look for the book you speak of.


You credited al maghili for popularizing its usage in hausaland, stop changing your words. Or is al maghili not arab/berber?

The sahels climate and vegetation is very similar to that of a desert. Further more the nature of trade business and lifestyle during this period meant they would have to inhabit deserts at some point.


At first when i visited the website i was sure it was a shiite site then i say the disclaimer below and then it made sense.

It should be noted that the aforementioned narrations and statements of the companions have weaknesses in their chains of transmission.

If you have any other better sources then please go ahead.
Hmmm it seems u ar obsessed with al-Maghili.
I want to make the following clear:

a) Al-Maghili met the Hausa's wearing the turban, and he encourages the rulers of Kano and Katsina to use it the more, hence the reason it bcm more popular than before his arrival. And after the jihad the Fulani again made it more popular to the point of being the symbol of their rule, that's why its still relevant to date in the Sokoto caliphate.

b) Yes, al-Maghili visited only Kano and Katsina, but Kano and Katsina were the two pivots of Hausaland in that era, the former for its economy/wealth and the later for its Religious (Islamic) learning, so Kano and Katsina had always influenced the activities of the more Eastern states of Hausaland, that's why to date the turban is used more often in this Eastern corner of Hausaland, in essence Al-Maghili need not visit all the Hausa states, as for the populace I can only say "He who influences the court influences the state"

c) Most of the Hausa population that uses turban in that era live within the walled Hausa cities, and how many amongst them were caravan traders who ventured into the desert ? Just a fraction, so very few would have a reason to inhabit the desert at some point.

Well, I believe you read the inference they gave after the disclaimer, but you choose to stick to the disclaimer. I reiterate that weakness in the chain of transmission of a hadith (Isnad) does not render the content (Ma tan) of the hadith invalid, unless you subscribe to the Wahhabi school of thought, if so then I don't need to provide any further proof, BC that would always be the excuse u would use to reject the hadith.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 12:40am On Oct 01, 2017
Ersan:
Here i too say LOL! Even if they brought it to kano alone was kano not the basis of your argument when you mentioned Al Maghili? That even begs a further question, if he encouraged it in kano how did this practice spread all over hausaland and become so widespread in the whole sahel? Not just hausas but sahelians have been wearing turbans long before then! did he visit all those states and tell them to wear turbans too? I told you, its just an outfit for desert dwellers, stop trying to add any other meaning behind it. I have never heard of any debate that disputed the wangarawas' ethnicity, it is an established fact that these people were of mande ethnicity, not arab and not berber, anyone who holds any other opinion is wrong. Heck if you told me they were responsible for hausas wearing turbans rather than some arabs or berbers that would be more plausible.

I know the prophet wore turbans, and it is sunnah to emulate acts of the prophet, if you can show me any hadith where the prophet tells of the superiority of wearing turbans then please go ahead, i would appreciate it very much.
1. I Never said Islam was the origin of Turban infact I already said it pre-dates Islam.

2. I did not say Islam was responsible for the spread of turban in the entire Sahel or else where. But its solely responsible for it spread within Hausaland.

3. I did not knw what historical materials u hv access to, but the primary source of the Wangarawa issues is the "Kano Chronicles" and in it, they were refered only as "Wangarawa from Malle" (No any elucidation), therefore it left open the issue of their ethnicity, so one cant summarily dismiss other opinions as wrong. Their ethnicity is still a point of debate amongst historians, I dont know if you speak Hausa but the Author of the book, "Tarihin Kano Kafin Jihadi" (Maje Ahmad) believe otherwise, and he is a Kano Royal court historian.

4. No where in my responses did I mentioned that Arabs/Berbers were responsible for Hausas wearing Turbans, What I said its the influence they got by adopting Islam, and besides geographically Hausaland is not in the desert.

5. Heres a link you can visit on the issue of the prophet s.a.w. and his commandments on turban. http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2014/02/21/is-it-a-sunna-to-wear-a-turban/
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 11:51pm On Sep 30, 2017
Ersan:
LOL! You couldnt be more wrong, the fact that the prophet wore it makes it sunnah and like i said, we are to emulate acts of the prophet. Its not compulsory but it is encouraged. And why the caps? calm down with the disrespectful tone.
I dont meant to disrespect you by saying that, I said it bc this is a faceless forum so you may not agree wit wat I said.

Yeah from the hadith point of view its a Sunnah, but Islamic Jurisprudance (Fiqh) see it as a Mustahab.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 11:30pm On Sep 30, 2017
Alkanoicacid:
MALLAM, TURBAN IS JUST A DRESSING TO CULTURE OF THE ARABS AND NOTHERNERS, ITS NOT PART OF OUR DEEN.

IF I DON'T PUT ON A TURBAN, HAVE I SINNED?
No you have not sinned, but you have lost out on something good, its a "Mustahab" to wear turban. May be you should ask your Islamic teacher to ascertain what I said.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 11:20pm On Sep 30, 2017
Ersan:
Nope! Islam was not brought to hausaland by arabs/berbers but wangara scholars from Mali. In fact prior to maghili they had very little to do with islam in hausaland and even during maghilis reign he was only an adviser to the king who brought certain jurisdictions to his court and maybe responsible for islamizing some of the ruling class but in terms of islamizing the populace as a whole he had very little to do with that. I am wondering why something that has no islamic reasoning behind it would be encouraged by an islamic scholar, for what? and like you said, our alasho is quite different from what they wear.
Lol, when you talk of the "Wangarawa" u are refering to those that brought Islam to Kano only; and remember Kano was only one amongst nearly seven Hausa states. Besides the real ethnic identity of the Wangarawa is not known to date, even in Kano some historians believe they were Fulani, some say they were Arabs, Berber and even Turkish.

And your asertion that Turban hv nothing to do with Islam is not plausible. Yeah I believe Turban pre-dates Islam but still Turban hv everything to do wt Islam I can quote for u hadiths of the prophet (s.a.w.) in which he encourages muslims to wear turbans and in them showing the superiority of praying to Allah (swt) wit a turban over praying with a cap or bear headed. But I dont knw which religion u practice so I wont go to dat level.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 11:11pm On Sep 30, 2017
Ersan:
Nope! Islam was not brought to hausaland by arabs/berbers but wangara scholars from Mali. In fact prior to maghili they had very little to do with islam in hausaland and even during maghilis reign he was only an adviser to the king who brought certain jurisdictions to his court and maybe responsible for islamizing some of the ruling class but in terms of islamizing the populace as a whole he had very little to do with that. I am wondering why something that has no islamic reasoning behind it would be encouraged by an islamic scholar, for what? and like you said, our alasho is quite different from what they wear.
Lol, when you talk of the "Wangarawa" u are refering to those that brought Islam to Kano only; and remember Kano was only one amongst nearly seven Hausa states. Besides the real ethnic identity of the Wangarawa is not known to date, even in Kano some historians believe they wete Fulani, some say they were Arabs, Berber and even Turkish.

And your asertion that Turban hv nothing to do with Islam is not plausible. Turban hv everything to do wt Islam I can quote for hadiths of the prophet (s.a.w.) in which he encourages muslims to wear turbans and in them showing the superiority of praying to Allah (swt) wit a turban over those with a cap or bear headed. But I dont knw which religion u practice so I wont try quoting.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 5:22pm On Sep 30, 2017
Ersan:
I dont know how accurate this is, the turban has no islamic meaning behind it. If anything its used by desert dwellers especially to guard against the rigors of dust and sand. I dont see how adopting islamic rule would mean wearing turbans. Even arab/berber rulers dont exclusively wear turbans, just a universal attire. I would agree it originated from the middle east, but i disagree with your stipulations as to why and how. And al maghili entered rumfas court in the 15th century, by most accounts hausas have used turbans long before then.
Turban may not have Islamic origin, but Islam is wat brought it to Hausaland, Islam came to Hausaland via trans-Sahara traders who were mostly people of Arab/Berber Origin, before the advent of Islam Hausas dont use Turban, Abaya, alkyabba and the likes. Yeah Al-Maghili was a kind of Islamic rivivalist when he came to Hausaland in the 15th Century, and he was not the one that brought Islam or the Turban to Hausaland, but was the one who encourages its widespread usage especially amongst the Rulers. Islam came to Hausaland as far back as13th century though some Hausa states adopted it before others.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 1:05pm On Sep 30, 2017
blackjack21:
You are right about that. But I have worn 1ear at hawan panisau, Kano, that was a long time ago, yet, I don't have close relationship with royals And nobody said nothing. It's just an unwritten rules.

Though it can consequences if you outshine the master.
Do you know that the legendary Ibro(the actor) was once unmounted and prevented from coming to durbar because he gathered more or as much attention as the king, Ado bayero?
The rule is written, try wanting an audience wit the Emir whilst waering it, though theres alittle waiver during mounted celebrations.

Yea u can use one ear or no ear during mounted events, but Kano royal House and Noble Houses use two ears and no ears.

But thats not correct, you cant out shine the Emir no matter how hard you try because "Kowa yayi hawa Sarki ya taya" (Whoever mount a horse mounts it for the King).

Ibro was unmounted because he has no official title, u can only mount and gather your own followers if you hv an official title if not you and your followers most be under the command/wings of an official title holder.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 12:52pm On Sep 30, 2017
Fulaman198:
I don't think it originated from Touaregs and Arabs, however, we can agree that there is NOTHING whatsoever like Fulani or Hausa style of wearing a Turban. When I wear a Turban, I do not make the top ends pointy.
It may not have originated from the Arabs but surely both Hausa and Fulani (Cant say about the Touaregs) obtained the trend from Islam, because at first, Turban is a symbol of all Modibbo (Both Fulani and Hausa Islamic Clerics) during the time Hausas were Ruled by Kings (When the Hausa states were secular, though their rulers were Muslims but the states were not ruled according to the tenets of Islam), but with the comming of the erudite Arab/Berber scholar Muhammad al-maghili around 1492 to Kano and Katsina the states changed to a Sultanate (i.e. State rule according to Islamic tenets), and the rulers also adopted the use of the turban deligently, as they now become both the political and religious leaders of their states.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 12:10pm On Sep 30, 2017
blackjack21:
Nafeesa, this is not quite right.
There are three types of turban
1. Mara Kunne (no ears)
2. Mai Kunne daya (one ear)
3.mai kunne buying (two ears)

These are the three styles. There's nothing like Hausa or Fulani turban.
Some people just choose style they like to be identified with.
Well I dont think people jst choose the style they want, you choose based on your status, (atleast this is true for the Emirates I listed above). The ones without two ears are the common one which evry1 can use, the one with one ear is not all that popular and its a recent invention by Late Sardauna (Ahmadu Bello) (Or may be he was the one that popularised it), this style is mostly called "Sardauna" and it can also be use by most people.
CultureRe: Difference Between Hausa And Fulani Turban (Photos) by Baaballiyo(m): 12:02pm On Sep 30, 2017
NafeesaAA:
Do you know the Hausa turbans are different from Fulani ones. Hausa ones are generally bulb-shaped without the two tail-like pieces of cloth sticking out from the top. The Fulani ones, apart from the tail-like elements, are also more closely similar to the Touareag ones in structure and design.

Though these days they are both worn interchangeably.
OP, there's no difference btw Hausa and Fulani Turban styles, the differences u highlighted only show differences in the status (royal/noble or otherwise) of the turban bearer. Though marked differences exists btw Turban styles of different Emirates of Northern Nigeria. Most if not all the pictures u uploaded are Kano Turban styles.

The two tail-like element you showed as the chracteristic of the Fulani Turban is a symbol of Royal Lineage in Kano, Katsina, Zazzau (Zaria), Dutse, Kazaure, Ringim, Daura, Hadejia and Gumel Emirates. But in most other Emirates its not exclusively reserved for the Royal bloods.
Christianity EtcRe: Mark Zuckerberg Is Not An Atheist? by Baaballiyo(m): 12:37am On Jan 24, 2017
Fulaman198:
Banndiko a haali gonga! You are right! I am a Muslim, but I am not one that practises as often as I should.

Let me ask you something. If I do not pray all the time, like I should, does that make me a sinner? To me, everyone is a sinner in some form or another. No matter how many times one may pray a day, or no matter how often one attends Jumma'a, we are all grave sinners.

I am not the type of man though that goes out and starts messing around with women, that is not me. Nor do I go out and steal or do other bad things. But at the same time, I do not do the things that is expected of a "good" Muslim which is constant prayer or attending Mosque on Juma'a.

Often, I find myself ingrained on my computer reading new computing articles, conducting new research, etc, etc.

Even still, I am one of the biggest advocates of Islam and defend it when it is being rubbished by Westerners online, or by even other people in this country of Naija.
We are all sinners and we all need to purify ourselves frequently. But a Muslim has a compulsory duty which he most perform, which are
1. Five daily prayers.
2. Paying the zakat arms
for those that are
Wealthy.
3. Fasting in the month
of Ramadan for those that
are healthy and able.
4. Visiting the sacred
Shrine in Mecca (ka'aba) for those that have the ability and means of traveling .

In essence sins are categorized as either grave sins, great sins or small sins.

Whoever omits or refuse to perform any of the earlier mentioned compulsory acts is deemed to have perform grave sin, big sins are contained in the following verses Qur'an 6:151-152

151. Say (O Muhammad): "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty - We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawahish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islamic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.

152. "And come not near to the orphan's property, except to improve it, until he (or she) attains the age of full strength; and give full measure and full weight with justice. We burden not any person, but that which he can bear. And whenever you give your word (i.e. judge between men or give evidence, etc.), say the truth even if a near relative is concerned, and fulfill the Covenant of Allah, This He commands you, that you may remember.

Most other are acts or omissions are considered small sins. We are all sinners and above our sins Allah is forgiving and merciful He said in the following verse


2.Those who avoid great sins and Al-Fawahish (illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) except the small faults, verily, your Lord is of vast forgiveness. He knows you well when He created you from the earth (Adam), and when you were fetuses in your mothers' wombs. So ascribe not purity to yourselves. He knows best him who fears Allah and keep his duty to Him [i.e. those who are Al-Muttaqun (pious)]
Qur'an 53:32

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