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DevdanSanguine:@Bolded, going by wat u said, then It seems that tag will remained tattooed on our backs, bc unlike the Scandinavians, Fulani inspite of their population do not have the absolute majority in a single Country in Africa and to say we'll summon all Fulani from all over the world and establish our nation that wud be impossible. But why does this tag remain with the Fulani only, inspite of most tribes have their own respective bloody eras in the past ? There are simple reasons, First it's only in Nigeria that Fulani are tagged as thus, not even in Niger Republic, go to other countries with significant Fulani populations you won't see them tagged as thus. Secondly, most Nigerian Media houses or those controlling them wanted to demonise the Fulani for reasons better known to them. Most may give the clumsy excuse of the frequent clashes with herdsmen of Fulani extraction. First the herdsmen are not up to 10% of Nigerian Fulani, within this 10% not morethan 3% get involved in clashes. So for the sins of a few a whole tribe is condemned. Why wud the Media always use "Fulani herdsmen" ? As if there are another herdsmen that are not Fulani. Why not use only herdsmen only without attaching the Fulani jst like they do when Armed robbers or Kidnappers or Traffickers are apprehended. They don't Report the story, As Ibo robbers, Yoruba robbers, Hausa robbers, Kanuri robbers, Ijaw or Tiv Robbers, Kidnappers or traffickers. No matter how developed or successful the Vikings are today, if they live in Nigeria of today and someone want do demonise them they wud surely be. Besides Fulani people are amongst the most successful people in Nigeria today. They're only being crucified bc of the sins of a few amongst them, and because some people are hell bent on rubbishing them. |
Fulaman198: "Wala damuwa" we're humans, once in a while our other side succeed in getting the better of us. |
Fulaman198:Yes that's what am trying to say, thanks for the correction. ![]() |
Fulaman198:Bandirawo noi pulaaku ma ? ![]() |
AlderFadington:Yess they (Missionaries) were successful indeed wit the pagans, they where rejected and/or prevented to preach in Towns and Cities of Hausaland, so they took to remote Villages where they found most of the population were either Pagans or nominal Muslims. |
Cocolatti:Yeah, most Hausa and Fulani alike (especially those in North-West) don't think there are Hausa or Fulani Christians bc they may never come across them, since they are mostly found in remote villages and even if they come to towns/cities u you'll hardly know they're Christians bc they mostly bear Hausa names (which for the most part are Muslim names) they dress, talk, behave and act exactly like main stream Hausa people, you hv to be vry close to them or spend a lot of time wit them for you to know they're Christians. |
ImperialYoruba:Hmm, this one is getting angry and unreasonable, Instead of responding to the issues I raised you choose to add to your list of accusations and try turning the issue into Yoruba Muslims vs Fulani. No where in my response did I said Allah has favoured Fulani over anyone. . Sorry I don't do Tribal-bigotry. BesidesYoruba Muslims are my brothers/sisters in religion, the rest of the Yorubas are also my brothers/sisters in that we belong to thesame Nation. |
darkhorizon:Yes, that's why I called your tribe Angelic. But it seems like u are not willing to let us know. Dont you want us to learn from you ? |
ImperialYoruba:Your rhetorical question does not absolved you from confusion, bc by putting forward the question you showed that you are oblivious of what really took place. Well, can you tell me where you got your definition of the word "Conquest". Though a word may has many meanings, but a word always have a popular and basic meaning, and I do not see where the meaning of Conquest included "overpowering" without the use of force. So direct me to where u find ur meaning so that I would learn from it. I am personally absolving Shehu not the generation that followed him, bc it's an injustice to him to say what u said about him. The fight with Borno (which started during the life time of Shehu) was also not a Jihad but a struggle btw two powerful Empires. And it started as a result of Borno helping and arming pagan tribes against the Fulani. And whoever helped a non Muslim against his Muslim brother has performed a despicable act and therefore fighting him also bcm permissible. Learn from this. As for your last paragraph you need to give real proofs that falsehoods where written, not hearsays. No one will fight in the Name of Allah and bcm successful (like the Fulani bcm) without having Allah's mandate. If you fight in the name of Allah and failed then you don't have Allah's mandate. For the army of Allah will always be successful. Learn from this. |
ehikwe22:What a bitter and ignorant soul. |
ImperialYoruba:Another confusing piece, U said your wars were involuntary and jst after few words u said " you expanded your domain through conquests". These are conflicting statements. |
ImperialYoruba:You seemed confused, first u accused bn Fodio of fighting to convert disbelievers and you later you wonder why he waged Jihad on Hausa Muslims. So please u need to differentiate btw the two before u point accusing fingers. Besides Shehu never in his life time claimed that he is making jihad upon Hausaland. He considered his movement "An Islamic renaissance movement". It was only when the Empire started to expand into pagan and Animist territories that the Empire bcms a Jihadists Empire and that was after the death of Shehu. Later historians and writers are those that ascribed "Jihad" to Shehu's Earlier Movement. Moreover the Kanembu (Borno) Empire was not an Islamic empire, it only became so after Muhammad Elkanemi overthrew the Sayfawa dynasty and that was after the Fulani Islamic state has already established itself. Besides u can't claim the Kanuri new about Islam before the Fulani. |
darkhorizon:Tell me your own Angelic tribe and we can discuss further. |
DevdanSanguine:I wud hv loved to, but sadly most in my possession are in Hard copies, but I've one in pdf format " Government in Kano; 1350-1950" written by M.G. Smith. Although the book is mainly about Kano it gives an insight into the Hausa people and their Culture. |
Hmmm, What a funny and controversial thread. I see people love to put blame/s upon others. In this case(thread) 'Islam and Fulani' are the culprits. OP is surely not Hausa but to some extent a learned of Hausa history. His major blunder: BORI. Bori is not a religion (like Islam or Christianity) is a secret cult. Hausa Pagans worship a Female Goddess call "Tsumburbura" and presently I doubt if 1% of Hausa natives worship her. I believe 90-95% of native Hausa people are Muslims and 3-5% Christians, 2-3% others. |
"I Love you" by Celinedion. |
JikanBaura:Exactly, I keep wondering when people say North-east hv more native Fulfulde speakers than Northwest, afterall in Northeast you only hv significant Fulani populations in Adamawa, Taraba, and Gombe. But in Northwest you hv significant populations in all the states including Kaduna State. Almost 30% (thats btw 800000-1000000ppl) of Kano North district (which is a district consisting of only 13 out of 44 LGA of Kano State) consist of Native fulfulde speakers, and the entire Fulani in Taraba are not morethan a Million likewise those in Gombe, those in Adamawa may be btw 1.5-2million, I served in the Northeast, Taraba to be precise so I know enough about the Fulani over there. |
Fulaman198:I beg to differ, though I donot know wether u used ur above statement as a figure of speech, but I dont think u wud find a single Adult Fulani who lives in Northern Nigeria for the most part of his/her life and still cant utter or comprehend "1 word of Hausa". What u said above hold mainly for small Fulani Children. Indeed there ar many Adult Fulani who cant speak/understand Hausa fluently but its hard to find one who does not know one single Hausa word. |
dannyjesutofunmi:Bello is a Fulani name, its correct pronounciation is "Beldo or Ballu" which means "Sweetness' in fulfulde but it was slightly corrupted to Bello. The full name is Muhammad Bello, it became popular because of the first Sultan of the Sokoto caliphate Sultan Muhammad Bello (r.1817-1837), and later in the 20th century because of the Sardauna of Sokoto and Premier of the Northern Region Sir Ahmadu Bello. Sani- is a Hausa/Fulani name with Origin from the Arabic word "As-saani" which means "The second". The full name is Muhammad Saani. Danjuuma- is a Hausa name which means "He that was born on a Friday" . Lawal/Lawan- is also a Fulani name its correct pronounciation is "Lawol" but corrupted to "Lawal/Lawan which means "path" in fulfulde. The full name is also "Muhammad Lawol" |
VomeSchakleton:The name "Badamasi" originated from the name of a jurist, scholar and poet of the Maliki Madh-hab (school of thought) Abu Abdul Allah Shams al din Muhammad al badamasi, he wrote alot of books and commentaries on Malikiyya Islamic jurisprudence and his works were well known and studied by Hausaland Scholars of the 18-19th Century. In Hausaland his poem "Al-Badamasiyya fi madh-al_nabi s.a.w" (The Badamasi in the praise of the prophet pbuh), was well known and this I believe is wat made Hausa people started naming their Sons after him, as its the tradition of Hausa people (of 18-19th) to name their children after renown Islamic scholars or sheiks E.g. Sheik Ahmad al-Tijan - Tijjani. Sheik Abdulqadir al-Gilan - Jilana/Jelani Sheik Jalaluddeen al-suyut - Suyuudi As for the meaning of the name I dont think it has any meaning bc its the name of the region or town the sheik hailed from, bc that was the style of prolific writers and Sheiks of the Islamic Middle age; to put at the end of their names the name of their towns/region and the school of thought they belong to or the Sufi order they belong to. So just like Tijjani, Buhari, Jilani, Suyudi among others were names of towns/regions so also is "Badamasi". But actually I cant trace in which region or Country this location was, but the scholar was believed to be from Egypt. |
Good.Hmmm it seems u ar obsessed with al-Maghili. I want to make the following clear: a) Al-Maghili met the Hausa's wearing the turban, and he encourages the rulers of Kano and Katsina to use it the more, hence the reason it bcm more popular than before his arrival. And after the jihad the Fulani again made it more popular to the point of being the symbol of their rule, that's why its still relevant to date in the Sokoto caliphate. b) Yes, al-Maghili visited only Kano and Katsina, but Kano and Katsina were the two pivots of Hausaland in that era, the former for its economy/wealth and the later for its Religious (Islamic) learning, so Kano and Katsina had always influenced the activities of the more Eastern states of Hausaland, that's why to date the turban is used more often in this Eastern corner of Hausaland, in essence Al-Maghili need not visit all the Hausa states, as for the populace I can only say "He who influences the court influences the state" c) Most of the Hausa population that uses turban in that era live within the walled Hausa cities, and how many amongst them were caravan traders who ventured into the desert ? Just a fraction, so very few would have a reason to inhabit the desert at some point. Well, I believe you read the inference they gave after the disclaimer, but you choose to stick to the disclaimer. I reiterate that weakness in the chain of transmission of a hadith (Isnad) does not render the content (Ma tan) of the hadith invalid, unless you subscribe to the Wahhabi school of thought, if so then I don't need to provide any further proof, BC that would always be the excuse u would use to reject the hadith. |
Ersan:1. I Never said Islam was the origin of Turban infact I already said it pre-dates Islam. 2. I did not say Islam was responsible for the spread of turban in the entire Sahel or else where. But its solely responsible for it spread within Hausaland. 3. I did not knw what historical materials u hv access to, but the primary source of the Wangarawa issues is the "Kano Chronicles" and in it, they were refered only as "Wangarawa from Malle" (No any elucidation), therefore it left open the issue of their ethnicity, so one cant summarily dismiss other opinions as wrong. Their ethnicity is still a point of debate amongst historians, I dont know if you speak Hausa but the Author of the book, "Tarihin Kano Kafin Jihadi" (Maje Ahmad) believe otherwise, and he is a Kano Royal court historian. 4. No where in my responses did I mentioned that Arabs/Berbers were responsible for Hausas wearing Turbans, What I said its the influence they got by adopting Islam, and besides geographically Hausaland is not in the desert. 5. Heres a link you can visit on the issue of the prophet s.a.w. and his commandments on turban. http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2014/02/21/is-it-a-sunna-to-wear-a-turban/ |
Ersan:I dont meant to disrespect you by saying that, I said it bc this is a faceless forum so you may not agree wit wat I said. Yeah from the hadith point of view its a Sunnah, but Islamic Jurisprudance (Fiqh) see it as a Mustahab. |
Alkanoicacid:No you have not sinned, but you have lost out on something good, its a "Mustahab" to wear turban. May be you should ask your Islamic teacher to ascertain what I said. |
Ersan:Lol, when you talk of the "Wangarawa" u are refering to those that brought Islam to Kano only; and remember Kano was only one amongst nearly seven Hausa states. Besides the real ethnic identity of the Wangarawa is not known to date, even in Kano some historians believe they were Fulani, some say they were Arabs, Berber and even Turkish. And your asertion that Turban hv nothing to do with Islam is not plausible. Yeah I believe Turban pre-dates Islam but still Turban hv everything to do wt Islam I can quote for u hadiths of the prophet (s.a.w.) in which he encourages muslims to wear turbans and in them showing the superiority of praying to Allah (swt) wit a turban over praying with a cap or bear headed. But I dont knw which religion u practice so I wont go to dat level. |
Ersan:Lol, when you talk of the "Wangarawa" u are refering to those that brought Islam to Kano only; and remember Kano was only one amongst nearly seven Hausa states. Besides the real ethnic identity of the Wangarawa is not known to date, even in Kano some historians believe they wete Fulani, some say they were Arabs, Berber and even Turkish. And your asertion that Turban hv nothing to do with Islam is not plausible. Turban hv everything to do wt Islam I can quote for hadiths of the prophet (s.a.w.) in which he encourages muslims to wear turbans and in them showing the superiority of praying to Allah (swt) wit a turban over those with a cap or bear headed. But I dont knw which religion u practice so I wont try quoting. |
Ersan:Turban may not have Islamic origin, but Islam is wat brought it to Hausaland, Islam came to Hausaland via trans-Sahara traders who were mostly people of Arab/Berber Origin, before the advent of Islam Hausas dont use Turban, Abaya, alkyabba and the likes. Yeah Al-Maghili was a kind of Islamic rivivalist when he came to Hausaland in the 15th Century, and he was not the one that brought Islam or the Turban to Hausaland, but was the one who encourages its widespread usage especially amongst the Rulers. Islam came to Hausaland as far back as13th century though some Hausa states adopted it before others. |
blackjack21:The rule is written, try wanting an audience wit the Emir whilst waering it, though theres alittle waiver during mounted celebrations. Yea u can use one ear or no ear during mounted events, but Kano royal House and Noble Houses use two ears and no ears. But thats not correct, you cant out shine the Emir no matter how hard you try because "Kowa yayi hawa Sarki ya taya" (Whoever mount a horse mounts it for the King). Ibro was unmounted because he has no official title, u can only mount and gather your own followers if you hv an official title if not you and your followers most be under the command/wings of an official title holder. |
Fulaman198:It may not have originated from the Arabs but surely both Hausa and Fulani (Cant say about the Touaregs) obtained the trend from Islam, because at first, Turban is a symbol of all Modibbo (Both Fulani and Hausa Islamic Clerics) during the time Hausas were Ruled by Kings (When the Hausa states were secular, though their rulers were Muslims but the states were not ruled according to the tenets of Islam), but with the comming of the erudite Arab/Berber scholar Muhammad al-maghili around 1492 to Kano and Katsina the states changed to a Sultanate (i.e. State rule according to Islamic tenets), and the rulers also adopted the use of the turban deligently, as they now become both the political and religious leaders of their states. |
blackjack21:Well I dont think people jst choose the style they want, you choose based on your status, (atleast this is true for the Emirates I listed above). The ones without two ears are the common one which evry1 can use, the one with one ear is not all that popular and its a recent invention by Late Sardauna (Ahmadu Bello) (Or may be he was the one that popularised it), this style is mostly called "Sardauna" and it can also be use by most people. |
NafeesaAA:OP, there's no difference btw Hausa and Fulani Turban styles, the differences u highlighted only show differences in the status (royal/noble or otherwise) of the turban bearer. Though marked differences exists btw Turban styles of different Emirates of Northern Nigeria. Most if not all the pictures u uploaded are Kano Turban styles. The two tail-like element you showed as the chracteristic of the Fulani Turban is a symbol of Royal Lineage in Kano, Katsina, Zazzau (Zaria), Dutse, Kazaure, Ringim, Daura, Hadejia and Gumel Emirates. But in most other Emirates its not exclusively reserved for the Royal bloods. |
Fulaman198:We are all sinners and we all need to purify ourselves frequently. But a Muslim has a compulsory duty which he most perform, which are 1. Five daily prayers. 2. Paying the zakat arms for those that are Wealthy. 3. Fasting in the month of Ramadan for those that are healthy and able. 4. Visiting the sacred Shrine in Mecca (ka'aba) for those that have the ability and means of traveling . In essence sins are categorized as either grave sins, great sins or small sins. Whoever omits or refuse to perform any of the earlier mentioned compulsory acts is deemed to have perform grave sin, big sins are contained in the following verses Qur'an 6:151-152 151. Say (O Muhammad): "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty - We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawahish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islamic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand. 152. "And come not near to the orphan's property, except to improve it, until he (or she) attains the age of full strength; and give full measure and full weight with justice. We burden not any person, but that which he can bear. And whenever you give your word (i.e. judge between men or give evidence, etc.), say the truth even if a near relative is concerned, and fulfill the Covenant of Allah, This He commands you, that you may remember. Most other are acts or omissions are considered small sins. We are all sinners and above our sins Allah is forgiving and merciful He said in the following verse 2.Those who avoid great sins and Al-Fawahish (illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) except the small faults, verily, your Lord is of vast forgiveness. He knows you well when He created you from the earth (Adam), and when you were fetuses in your mothers' wombs. So ascribe not purity to yourselves. He knows best him who fears Allah and keep his duty to Him [i.e. those who are Al-Muttaqun (pious)] Qur'an 53:32 |
"Wala damuwa" we're humans, once in a while our other side succeed in getting the better of us.

They might thought that way maybe because they interact only with Fulani in the city . Even in the North west Kebbi,zamfara,sokoto,Katsina state Fulani still do speak their Fulani language.