want2knowben:


Interesting bit of history. This would make them descendants of Israelites, most of whom now practice a religion that calls for for the hatred/killing of (Jews)Israelites.

Yes it does make them and that would/did not make them deny their Origin or history. Besides, the religion they practice today do no such call you claimed.

santricedupas:


I known but you are still enslaved, fulani masters will still determine your future for you, I don't know if you are learned but consider almaajiris hausas which sokoto caliphate purposefully make there lives not meaningful and useful to themselves by depriving them formal western education and compulsorily incurcating islamic education without there will, and thereby make them to cause menace in the society, and are used as willing tool because the almaajiris and uneducated islamic conscious hausas are used as foot soldiers, gun man etc to cause mayhem around territory the sultan and sokoto caliphate have no control over, my deaar hausa nairalanders. why can't hausa tribe be the emir and sultan instead of fulani tribe dominating your land, or is it written in the quran that only fulani tribe can be amir and sultan in northern nigeria.

am patiently waiting for your constructive criticism on this issue, have a great weekend my friend.

So according to you all Almajiris are Hausas, And with this ignorant assertion you are waiting for a Constructive criticism on this issue. So funny.

nextstep:


I'm proud of Lagos but this tribalism/regionalism must stop. Nigerians have made Lagos what it is. Is Lagos only collecting IGR from Yoruba people? Or tax? How many billions of money (cowries, gold, pounds, and now Naira) from Nigerians all over has poured into Lagos? It's a former capital city, a financial, manufacturing, and entertainment hub - and has only become so due to the efforts of all Nigerians. Federal revenue mostly from Palm and Crude oil (obtained elsewhere) has helped it grow.

As for indigine: do we discount all the Benin people and their descendants who've lived and settled Lagos since 1400s? Are they too not indigene? In it's past life as part of Benin Empire (late 1400s till 1861), it benefitted from the largess of that Empire. Its first Oba - Captain Ashipa (some also say his son Ado) in the Benin Empire - to whom all Obas of Lagos trace their lineage, was given Lagos to govern. How does the Oba of Benin give somebody Lagos if Lagos is not part of his Empire?

So please, although Lagos is located in South West Nigeria, it is a serious discredit to call it Yoruba Land: it's a uniquely multi-cultural place with a complex history where many Nigerians can be said to be indigenes. This is not Ife or Oyo - undisputedly Yoruba cities, but a once forlorn beach that has seen waves of immigration and control over the millennia: settled in part by Aworis* - and to a lesser extent Ekiti - (running from war in the Yoruba hinterlands), and settled in parts by the Edos (empire expansion/trade). More recently (over two centuries) it has seen Portuguese, British, Brazilian, Igbo settlers.

In conclusion, I submit for consideration:
1. its two names: Eko (Edo language) and Lagos (Portuguese language) are decidedly not of Yoruba origin (does it even have an originally Yoruba name?)
2. its Obas owe allegiance ultimately to Benin (and not to Oyo, nor to Ife)
3. it has never been part of the Oyo empire, unlike the rest of Yorubaland.


* Authoritative sources (e.g. the current Oba of Lagos) have stated that the Awori people, though found in Ile-Ife, are actually Binis who followed their self-exiled Prince, the first son of the Ogiso (now called Oba) of Benin Kingdom to Ife.

Thumbs up, what a convincing argument.

Hmmm so funny to know that, in this age and era some people still believe any trash, like this one coming from a mentally unstable FFK. If all his assertions and lies were true Nigeria would have already been over runned and Fulanise by the Fulani. So let the cowards keep cowering in their cowardice.

FFK Love to day dream. A pathological bigot and a fabricator of lies against Fulani, don't know why he's obsessed with them.

revontuli:


Someone has to make a Fulani music thread!
There's a ton of info on Hausa culture but not enough on Fulani.

Fulaman198 has already made that thread, here's the link to it

https://www.nairaland.com/4418442/gimi-fulbe-fulani-music

Here's another thread about Fulani don't know whether you already came across it

https://www.nairaland.com/1829442/meet-most-beautiful-people-earth

revontuli:


There are very few Fulani here! You are the second I've seen so far.

There are quite a number of Fulani here, but most are shy and choosy about what to comment on or respond to, besides the few that talk use to represent us well. And going by how abusive and bigoted some people in this forum tend to be towards Fulani in general we prefer to abide by the saying When impious men bear sway the post of honour becomes a private station.

LaEvilIMiss:


Because information has not become Intelligent Insight before i can be sure of what I am saying, I need to look at the data (structured or unstructured) and organized that into information from which i can analyze into intelligible insight so far all I have is some history documented and oral largely unverifiable and mostly romanticized . but if you have got data, i am willing to have a look

@Bolded

Here are some, hope you would find them useful.

http://www.webpulaaku.net/defte/hasJohnston/ch01.html

http://www.webpulaaku.net/defte/hasJohnston/toc.html

http://www.rusajans.com/government-in-kano-1350-1950-african-states-and-societies-in.pdf

revontuli:



I'm talking about the modern culture, not 1000 years ago.
Scandinavians don't show off wealth. They generally live below their means, or at lest don't spend money on stupid luxuries and baubles. They spend the money on things they love. An outdoor lover will spend 2000 Euros on mountain climbing gear, but use the same phone until it dies of old age.

I misunderstood your statement. No wonder they're (Modern Scandinavians) today rated as the Happiest people on Earth.

LaEvilIMiss:

I have been speculative from the start but since you did not bother to read my comments.. carry go

Why speculate in this era of information ?

revontuli:


Fulani sound like the Scandinavians of Africa!

The Scandinavians of the old love to plunder, that was their only motive. So I don't think the Fulani fitted that comparison.

MitrikDenholm:


Ahhh! Makes so much sense. Plus the maghrib prayer analogy, perfect! Thanks a lot. I guess I'm not changing my name afterall. How did you figure it out? Did you speak to someone?

You do not have to change it kam.
Yes I did, but b4 I saw his response I concentrated my effort on asking Old people and those I believe are knowledgeable about history and names, but I always had a negative answer. So after I saw his comment then I asked around the cycle of some Islamic scholars and got the affirmation.

MitrikDenholm:


So Garb means south?

He has a point, that's the Origin of the name but he miss translated the word "al-garb". Al' garb means 'West" in Arabic. And the name originated due to the position of Caliph Abubakar's grave in relation to that of the prophets'. He is buried at the West side of the prophet, so people refer to him as 'As haabil garb' ( The Companion of the west I.e west side of the prophets' grave). Like always Hausawa like shortening long words or phrases, so they only refer to him as 'Garb'. And again Hausawa tend to end words with vowels not consonants, hence the name "Garba". That's why Abubakar is also called 'Garba'. Just like wit the Sunset prayer ( Salaatul Magrib) and we all refer to it as ' Magariba or Mangariba'.

jayinfo2:
I can categorically tell you that people of Jigawa do discriminate other Hausa's not a jigawaite

I have been there, when we complained of Jigawa inter tribal discrimination,the people there had to tell us that Jigawa people Even discriminate them that are Hausa and not from Jigawa.

I really dont know if it was based on religion

But what I know is day do discriminate even the Hausa's not from Jigawa state.

That is discrimination based on State of Origin not based on tribe. As I said earlier Northwesterners are prone to discriminate base on that.

Isahalbash:




Let assume am not from Jigawa and not a Muslim: Is it right to discriminate based on Religion?


Discrimination is discrimination even if it's not based on tribal- it's wrong besides, why do Hausas called non- Hausas KABILU?

Well, now you're talking, the issue at hand was that of discrimination on Tribal grounds, which u say exist in North_west , not wether discrimination is right or wrong and I do not believe any reasonable person would say discrimination is a good thing no matter what it may be based upon.

Isahalbash:





The northerners from d west are tribalistic too. I have had dat experience before, so am not talking based on hearsay. Mind you, am from Jigawa( NW).

I don't believe you ar from Jigawa if you Said you are discriminated against, unless u'r not a Muslim. Northwesterners don't discriminate against fellow Northerners based on Tribe, if u said they're prone to discriminate based on Religion Or State of Origin that I would agree with you.

MitrikDenholm:



And how do you achieve the bolded without the other? That's the irony of it all, you cant achieve one without the other.

Insanity they say is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Yes we cant achieve one without the other, but I dont believe we're doing thesame thing over and over again, with every passing leardership we are becoming more aware of our abilities and potential as a Nation I believe we are graadually developing politically and with time the right leaders would take over or we as citizen would unite against the bad ones. But like I said it may take time, but I believe we would make it.

A7:


The Takari/Takarawa i was referring to were indigenous Hausa speakers with roots mainly from Katsina, Zamfara, Sokoto and Kebbi.

They got the name from other Hausa speakers because of the different dialect they use.

I think the Takari i was referencing and Takarir are entirely different terminologies.

The Arab uses Takarir for non Arab settlers while the Hausa uses Takari for fellow Hausas from states i listed above.

Ohk , actually this is may first time of hearing about them (The ones u're referring to).

A7:
@baaballiyo

So Takari is of Arab origin?

Any correlation with the Hausa speakers called Takari [takarawa(plural), batakare(singular male)] by fellow Hausas because their dialect is different and heavy?

Example: Sheikh Giro (Takari), Kabiru Gombe (Hausa)

Takari are full fledged Hausas, most of them left their homes in Nigeria and reside in Saudia either legally or illegally, and I think their Hausa become heavy due to the influence of the Arab environment they live in (i.e. for those that live there for a vry long time without returning home). As for those that use to spend sometime there and return back to their homes in Nigeria and then go back you'll hardly heard their Hausa bcm heavy.

MitrikDenholm:


I was worried they may lose their ability to speak Hausa but I'm really glad to hear they didn't.

One thing about Hausa people is, no matter where they live or settled even if they do not hold on to the Hausa culture they almost certainly hold on to the language. Hardly u find a native Hausa wherever he/she might be, so long as he/she grow with some elders then he/she can speak the language. And Hausa ppl don't care wether they learn another language or not, it's amazing to meet Chinese, Lebanese and Arabs that speak Hausa . I used to laugh and marvel at the accent of the Chinese .

MitrikDenholm:


*Yan Chirani. Was the phrase I was looking for.

Ohk. But for the most part they are not referred as "yan cirani" in Kano atleast. They're called lot of names of which I know of, Yan Tarauni, Yan Zaman Shahada, Takari, Yan Kano to Jiddah e.t.c.

JikanBaura:


Their is Arabic rap song I watch on Arewa24 the song is titled agullah, Also watch the interview nomisegee have with the kid, ask him what the meaning of his song and it titled they boy said he's rapping about Hausa people like him that were born in Saudia, They are called Yan agullah, They boy live in rich neighborhood and show off the studio parents build him studio in their house. But like many, The dude said he have never been to Kano (Nigeria) (But nomisegee advice him to give a visit) his hausa isn't any different Kano's hausa the agullah boy spit bars in Arabic.

Yeah I also watched some part of the interview and the song. Most are fluent in both Arabic and Hausa.

DevdanSanguine:


But if the indigenous people have these stories and folklore. And scientists also stipulate this theory like hati13 pointed out. Does that not give it validity?

Yes, for me and many others consider it valid, but for now it's Validity still remain an individual issue, since Modern historians especially Academics are reluctant to inculcate it as the Valid Origin of Hausa ppl. I don't know why, but they prefer to stick to the Bayajidda account, and to be sincere the Bayajidda account (as the origin of Hausa not Origin of the ancientHausa ruling class) was championed by the Colonial people.

Fulaman198:


It may be sooner than you think if we can all come together instead of being divisive all the time. Being divisive is not in our interests, it only weakens us as a nation. Corruption is a HUGE problem that leaders in the North and South are both guilty of. Something that we must address! One thing we must remember is that no man/woman is better than anyone else.

It's not fair when someone lives in luxury and another person must struggle with barely anything to eat. Something must be done to address the huge gap between rich and poor in this nation Walahi!

Yes indeed it could be sooner if we are able to unite and be selfless. Though for as long as Nigeria exist; for her Unity has always been elusive. Though with the right leadership, Education and Economic development we can turn things around.

DevdanSanguine:


Hmmmm. Interesting discussions. I saw Danzubair making some very funny claims about gobir there as well but that's besides the point. You made some good points.

I also like your belief that the banza bakwai theory was fabricated which also makes the story more reliable and the overall explanation of Hausa ancestry. You also spoke extensively about the link between hausas and Ethiopia which means you subscribe to Dan masanin Kanos theory.

Overall I would love to hear your general opinion on the afro Asiatic theory.

Yes he did, but I think it's out of "superiority contest" that used to exists between the different Hausa states in the past and still exist today.


Actually what the late Dan-masani said was not his own theory, but a historical account that is popular within the circle of Kano historians especially the unlettered ones (oral historians).


As M.G. Smith said in his book Government of Kano 1350-1950 " Any historical statement intergrates three dimension of reality; Certitude, Significance and adequacy......... As regards certitude such statements (should) presume or refer to concrete events and/or conditions that prevailed at specific times and places in recent or remoter past". So overall I believe the Afro-asiatic theory to be plausible, bc this account have concrete evidence to back it, like the existence of the towns and name of places named after the Original ancestors and it's a folklore that was passed down verbally over many centuries (so we can't summarily discard the whole of it) and backed by a little of modern science. Though am not so sure but I think Hausa language is the only language in Nigeria that is categorised as an Afro-asiatic language. With regards to Significance the theory is worthy of acceptance, since it shade more light on the possible link between the concrete evidances (mentioned) and the remoter and obscure past. But the account falls short of being adequate so should not be considered as a definate historical origin of Hausa ppl. I hv my reservations on it, but it plausibility by far out weight its im-plausibility. The major problem with the account is that its mainly found in Kano, and Hausa ppl of Daura, Katsina and Zazzau and elsewhere may dismissed it easily (due to the superiority contest I mentioned earlier) and scientific data is not adequate enough. Why I stick to it ? Is bc the Hausa ppl don't hv any other account more plausible or as near as plausible as this account.

Just my humble opinion.

Fulaman198:


Very good information. It is also true that Saudi once respected Nigeria especially up until the 70s and early 80s (this is what my father told me). At one point, many Saudi doctors were trained by some of the best Nigerian doctors.

We were once respected, at least before I was born (which was the mid 80s). I would like to see us go back to that time when as a nation we were respected.

Nigeria was indeed respected by them a lot in those days, I heard it on good authority they even had an official mourning for the demise of Sardauna in the 60's and that of Murtala Ramat in late 70's. And there was a time when Nigeria used give some financial assistance to the Saudi Government.

There's one Dr. in Bayero University Kano Dr. Ahmad, he was originally a Ghanian, he studied in Saudi btw the 50's and 60's he said after their graduation their University in Saudia offered to retain them and they also got offer from Bayero University, and the salary page in Nigeria was two folds morethan that of the Saudi at that time, hence they decided to accept that of Bayero University.

Me too would love to have those good old days back. It's unfortunate how things fell apart for us. But I still believe that some day we would make it back, though not soon but eventually we'll.

DevdanSanguine:


Well when you put it in terms like this it makes a lot more sense than folklore. The Kano chronicles has spoken of migrations but hasn't specified regions. The bayajidda myth which I reckon is utter rubbish spoken of eastern or middle Eastern origin for the figure but like I said I don't believe a single part of that stupid story. I think linguistics and DNA are much more reliable. I have very limited knowledge on this but if you could recommend some articles that would be swell.

Side note:

One thing I admire about you east Africans is you all tend to have or at least try to get an in-depth knowledge of history and anthropology I don't even know why, maybe it's the complexities of your societies but it's laudable.

@Bolded
I don't think it's rubbish, but a historical misrepresentation. The folklore is real only that Bayajidda was not the Original progenitor of the Hausa ppl.

I think the following threads could be useful to that end.

https://www.nairaland.com/3035589/unpacking-bayajidda-myth-crisis-legitimacy

https://www.nairaland.com/3384056/where-ancestral-home-all-hausas

DevdanSanguine:


Very helpful as always. Thanks man.

My pleasure.

DevdanSanguine:
DanZubair Baaballiyo Fulaman198 JikanBaura

Question about the Hausawi of Saudi. There is a certain black population of Saudis who carry the surname Hausawi like footballers Omar and Osama hausawi.

Saudis I have spoken to have confirmed that these people are indeed from Nigeria and I'm sure that these people are hausas.

My question is how on earth did they get their, establish themselves and even become accepted as Saudi citizens.

Are these remnants from old hajj days or are they more recent travellers or who people refer to as, and I'm not sure of this "Yan tarauni" or something like that?

Yes they're indeed of Hausa stock and most were a remnant of Old hajj and old businesses, in the days of Sardauna people of Northern Nigerian stock were highly respected by the Saudis, and can settled there easily, at that time Nigeria was wealthier than Saudi and Sardauna was highly respected and revered by the saudi Royal house. So most of them are offsprings of Hausa Business class that settled there almost a century ago. So though not Arabs they're naturalized citizens of Saudi Arabia. Some where even abled to marry into some Saudi families, and this Hausawi are mostly Rich and middle class citizens in Saudi. The yan_Tarauni are the more recent immigrants (though there are also some that are of the old stock who where not recognised by the Saudi authorities as citizens but hv a resident permit) who are either are staying illegally in the Saudi or have a residence permit, unlike the Hausawi, their offsprings are mostly referred to as 'Yan Agulla' here in Kano. And a times they got deported but they almost always find their way back.

JikanBaura:


From what i know Garba is a Hausa name given to male child who is named Abubakar.

Bukar, Bubakar , Bakar ,Bakari, Garbaati, Garba all are the hausa version of Abubakar. all the people that carried the above names , You will notice Abubakar is their Islamic name.

Buba a femouse fulani name is also drive from abubakar.

Yes that's right, but we're trying to establish the reason why Abubakar is called Garba, bc as u can see all the names u mentioned (wit the exception of Garba) were some how a derivative of Abubakar, u can see a direct Link btw the names and the Original name (Abubakar). But Garba has no such connection it's entirely different from the original name.
Yes the Fulani version is Buuba or Abuba.

DevdanSanguine:


Okay.

Thanks for calling me to this thread, actually I don't know how 'Garba' came to be, some even call it 'Garbaati'. But wud try and see if I can find out something about it.

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