jhasper:
Recent news of the havoc allegedly wrecked by
Fulani herdsmen in different parts of Nigeria
particularly the north central and southern parts
of the country has continue to generate uproar
with Nigerians wondering why the herdsmen
seems to be above the law.
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(1)The Fulani are not indigenous to Nigeria
Funny as that may sound but it is true.
Historically, it is true that of all the ethnic
groups in Nigeria, the Fulani are perhaps the only
one not indigenous to Nigeria. The Fulani came
as settlers in the early fifteen century as clerics
in the Hausa city-states of Kano, Kastina and
Zaria.
According to history, the people who are now
referred to as Fulani entered present-day
Senegal from the north and east and they moved
eastward over much of West Africa after the
tenth century. The herdsmen probably still
believe that they have the freedom to go about
their grazing activities just like it was done in the
olden days.










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The Fulani arrived Nigeria much later than other tribes, The Hausas also immigrated into Nigeria from east Africa, the Yoruba Oduduwa also immigrated from the middle east or from heavens depending on which myth you consider, the Ibos like tracing their ancestry to Jews, thus all the major Nigerian languages are not Indigeneous to Nigeria.

fallout87:


Every time you post you further prove my point and support what I am saying.

Did I not say the relationship between Fulani and the other tribes is akin to the relationship between master and servant?

Which servant causes his master too much trouble? One that doesn't value his life! Only a foolish person would believe a Kanufi man would be happy with allowing a Fulani to rule him. They just like the Hausa and the rest of the north must submit!

You say Fulani have leadership capabilities as if that is am exclusive trait and no other tribe has them. Fulani bloodlust and powerlust is second to none! This is the drive which has them uproot their opposition. This same vengence they have and determination which had them avenge even an abokii Fula not who has been discarded.

There is no way your father is Fulani. I won't believe it. Not the way you are talking. You must be a Hausa boy or from one of the other smaller tribes. Why do I say that? It is because that is how I have seen some of them reason in order to stick their head in sand to not acknowledge Fulani forced themselves as their masters!

They are attempting to do the same to the entire Nigeria. They will destroy this country. For all the qualities your boast about them having, they only seem to know how to retain power and murder. Tell me what actual good they have done for Nigeria or for their own people with all the power they have obtained?

They are power and blood hungry. Period

Surely now I see where u are coming from, you had already made up your mind about the Fulanis, so it's futile to reason with you, but know that your believe that the relationship btw fulani and other Northern tribes is that of slave and master is completely wrong. I don't know where or how you conceived that notion, you can't be an outsider to us and then tell us our relationship. I bet by the way u talk about Fulani you usually tremble at the sight of them ( I.e. if u can recognise them ) because of the horrible picture of them you painted in your mind.

Finally, am a Fulani, who can trace his ancestry both (paternal and maternal) back to 3 centuries ago.

So am done arguing, clear ur mind the fulani are not what you think they are. Thanks for the interactive sessions. Stay happy.

fallout87:
By the way, I am still waiting for one of you to provide quotes of a Fulani man stating or tweeting he will act out revenge for a Gwari, Kurama, Kanufi, Hausa or any other northern tribesman.

You will sooner find a Yoruba and Igbo man say such before you find that

hahhaha You see you are in illusion, can you provide the inverse of what you asked ? Or let me put it plainly.

I am waiting for you to provide quotes of a Gwari, Karuma, Kanufi, Hausa or any northern tribesman stating or tweeting he will act out of revenge for a Fulani. You won't get bc we tend to act collectively. Not on ethnic lines.

fallout87:


All you have done is support everything I said.

First you have pointed out that there is a clear difference between Fulani and Hausa. Thanks, I was saying the same thing.

You supported me again whenyou stated the Fulani put themselves as the rulers, the leaders and the decision makers, the "haves"... While the others are the "have not" which are ruled over by them. How very convenient.

You did lie about one thing though, because it is a lie from the pit of hell that there is no division between northern tribes. The difference is they are united against the south! They will put differences aside for the sake of retaining power. Power at all cost for the north is their aim, but in that north there is a hierarchy and the Fulani see themselves above all not side-by-side.

Nobody says Hausa and Fulani are the same; but they're one.

The problem with you is that you are obsessed with the fulani and their leadership qualities (because this quality of theirs is what is giving the south a hard time) that's why you do not see the talents of other Northern tribes because you believe you are superior when you are the leader. Their is no any hierarchy that give the Fulani exclusive power of leadership or Hausa exclusive right for business, each and every one of them naturally gets attracted to what he is capable of doing effectively, just because you are choosen as your class captain that does not make you superior to other members of the class or them inferior to you.

If the North only unite when trying to wrestle power from the south then why is it that we live amicably after the power tussle ?

Tell me a single crisis that happened in the North along ethnic lines between two northern tribes. Along religious lines ? yes many happened but not along tribe or ethnicity. Pls just bc someone is leading a group of ppl most of time don't call him a power monger, born to rule, he looks down on his fellow e.t.c., just asked yourself why is it so and make research.

fallout87:


I identify Fulani as threats to One Nigeria, not as a diety. It is THEY who see themselves as other worldy. It is the Fulani who feel Nigeria is their birthright as conquerors.

That is how I know there must not be any true Fulani men on NL (or any who have read the past pages). None of them would ever lower themselves as to be Hausa, for them Hausa, Gwari, Kurama, Kanufi, etc are all below Fulani and are servant to Fulani. It is the southerners who are so foolish they think everyone from the north is Fulani because of the similar culture and numbers and influence of the Hausa there. This isn't true. There is much conflict and division. Have you seen a Fulani declare or tweet about taking revenge on killing a Hausa or Kanufi man? Never. However, El Rufai stated specifically they will exact revenge if even the least of a Fulani is killed.

It is only slowpokes who think every aboki or Northern is Fulani.

No Fulani man will deny other Northerns their desire to relate to their tribe. Why? I know Benin men who grew up in Yoruba land and they identify themselves as Yoruba. Most like to identify with the ruler, the majority or the winner. It is no surprise.

However with that said, they can identify with them all they want; they can never be their equal. At least in the eyes of the Fulani man. As I started before, the north is divided just like the south, however unlike the south they put differences aside to rule over the foolish south. The South is too obsessed with harming each other they allow this nonsense and it has always been Nigeria's undoing.

Pls stop saying what is not true, if there's any element of division among the North is among religious not ethnic lines, especially in the Northwest from where most prominent Nigerians of Northern extraction Hailed. What you don't Understand about the Hausa and Fulani in Northern Nigeria is that we watch the back of each other. Each of us recognises the talents of each other where one is lacking the other step up for him. The Hausas are naturally talented in Economics and commerce an area the Fulani are lacking, thats why u see most of the business class of Northern extraction are Hausas. On their part the Fulani are natural leaders and clerics that's why you see most people representing the North at both the Federal and state levels are of Fulani descent. You can't say their is division among the Northerners when every Northerner can live and earn a living anywhere in the north without any hindrance bc of his ethnicity. Though Our actions and words show that we are United that doesn't mean we don't have differences, know dat our mutual understandings by far surpass our differences, infact our differences are negligible to the extent that you can't see them, and now some of you out of jealousy are hell bent on bringing a wedge between us. We are responding to this thread because we donot want others that are not Northerners to think that what you are saying is the truth not because we are afraid your actions will cause disaffection among us.

Besides, pls help me define a true Fulani, since you say there's not one on NL.

lawani:


Ask any Ilorin person and they will tell you Oba Moma is Afonja. The important thing is that he was accepted by the Yoruba and he carried himself like a Yoruba person, committing suicide when he saw that his Balogun had risen against him. He did so in a traditional Yoruba manner. Call any Ilorin perSon and ask who Oba Moma was and what is his lineage. Dont rely on websites or online stuff. I spoke with Ilorin people already. Nevertheless, the Oba of Ilorin who put Ilorin under british protection was Sulayman Dan Aliyu, an Ajikobi man whose grandfather or father was the Ajikobi that was executed by the Alaafin. that was the person who signed Ilorin under Britain not any Fulani. that is what you should always keep in mind. Do not forget that.

Then the last people to come under British protection were the Egba and they succumbed because all their neighbours had succumbed. Their coming under British protection came after the Amalgamation of the Northern and Southern Protectorates of Nigeria. So get your history right. Dont come here to spew ignorance. the British did not engage the Yoruba in any war, they came to settle fight and they were hailed at the warfront in Igbajo by the combatants. It was the Sokoto caliphate that was brutally conquered by the British, not any Yoruba state. Among the Yoruba, only Ilorin and Ijebu engaged the British, the others never did, obviously because they were been led by God through Ifa.


It would be wrong to call the Alaafin a true Muslim. The Alaafin is an Aborisha. He is an olorisha. Aborisha do not see anything wrong in practicing any spirituality or religion and I see that as a problem because someone saying you are an infidel, unbeliever, Kaffir and etc is not your friend and you should not worship with such a person. Worship with Hindus, Buddhists and etc instead who respect you. That is the point I have been trying to drive home. All Yoruba Obas or at least the majority are Aborisha.

You gave up your sovereignty to the British without a fight and what does that implied, Cowardice ? Oh !! you said enlightenment from God through Ifa, does that means the the ijebus Ilorins had abandoned Ifa that's why his guidance did not reach them ? Thanks for the insight you gave me about the Yoruba race I really appreciate it. With this my contribution on this issue is but done, I wish u the best in all ur endeavours. Thanks.

yemaldo:

Actually, lawani is right about afonja,alimi never betrayed afonja

Yes, Alimi never abandoned Afonja but his son Abdussalam fought and kill Afonja.

lawani:


I am sick of the foolishness that NIGERIA is and I want the country to disintegrate into well alligned and manageable units. So how is that crazy? If you are a Hausa Fulani man, rally your people together, call for the dissolution of the country so that you can build a Hausa Fulani nation as did your ancestors. Why are you against that?

I also dont like people misrepresenting history saying Ilorin was conquered by Fulani when no such thing happened. New Oyo towns have not yet been conquered by any group ever Ibadan, Ilorin and etc because they were recently inaugurated. I dont like when history is deliberately misrepresented. How can a Fulani man say they would have been ruling Yorubas if not for the British? That is very rude for a Fulani to say. I hope you understand.

I see your pain for its hurting when part of your own was forcefully taken but please, direct your anger to the Afonjas and Ajikobis of the time gone by who were among the architects of this painful ( or may be embracing) history.

For all your rants all we want from you now is to prove that Moma is of Afonja descent by providing us with his Genealogy since we have given you our proof that he was of Alimi descent and endeavor to tell us what made the Oyo ruling class abandoned Old Oyo and build anew one further South. A saying goes thus " The present is the key to the past" The British colonialists to a very large extent maintained the status quo they met on ground when they came and they left it as it was, so leaving Ilorin at the hands of the Fulani is a clear indicator that it was a Fulani domain before the advent of the colonialist. The British would not have favoured us above you because they conquered you before they conquered us, they befriended you before they befriended us and they helped you and aided you before they helped and aided us.
And know that Islam has already penetrated the Yoruba Nation even the present Alaafin ( Oba Lamidi Adeyemi is a practicing Muslim). Just accept the reality and stop dreaming dreams.

lawani:
What year did the Fulani take Ilorin? In which battle? Who led them? When did Afonja go into alliance with any Fulani? A mere Islamic cleric cum Onion seller is what you call a power broker that a whole Aare ona Kakanfo will go into an alliance with? Alimi was serving Afonja, he was not in alliance with him. He was his servant and Alimi never was Oba or Emir in Ilorin, Afonja descendants say he died before Afonja. It was his son that led Ilorin jihadists for some years, his son Abdulsalam but he was a mere Balogun, I believe not an Oba. Read your history very well. No Fulani, Hausa or Nupe army ever occupied Ilorin at any point in the history of Ilorin. Afonja was killed by renegade Yoruba Muslims. Dont come here to be spreading false tales.

Here is an excerpt from a book written by a former colonial resident officer. If read carefully you will get ur aanswers from an European who is an outsider to us all. may be you will agree with him.



It will be remembered that when Mallam Dendo, the leader of the jihad in Nupe, had been driven out of Raba it was in Ilorin that he had taken refuge, probably because Afonja by this time had already come under the influence of another Fulani teacher, Mallam Alimi . Be that as it may, the insight that Afonja then gained into the fighting qualities of the Fulani seems to have given him the idea of using them himself to further the designs which he was already harbouring.
From his close association with
Mallam Alimi we can assume that by this time Afonja had already become a convert to Islam 26 . This in itself would be enough to weaken his loyalty to the Alafin of Oyo who still worshipped other gods. In addition he was an ambitious man who chafed at his vassal status and was eager to become a Chief in his own right. We know at any rate that, soon after Afonja had helped the Nupe Fulani to repel their pursuers, he made a compact with Mallam Alimi for the recruitment from the north of Fulani and Hausa volunteers 27 . He no doubt persuaded Mallam Alimi to believe that his aims were to declare a jihad and establish a Moslem Emirate in Ilorin which would owe allegiance to Gwandu and Sokoto, but it seems likely that he was in fact playing a deeper game.
Whether Mallam Alimi had any doubts about Afonja's real motives we do not know, but there was no question about the success of his recruiting, for he attracted to Ilorin large numbers of Fulani and Hausa volunteers. By 1817, the year of
Shehu's death, Afonja felt himself to be ready. He therefore threw off his allegiance to the Alafin and declared Ilorin to be independent of Oyo. The Alafin immediately reacted by sending a punitive expedition against him, but, with the help of his Moslem allies, Afonja defeated it and drove it back 28 .
The rebellion of Afonja in Ilorin was the signal for other vassals to throw off their allegiance and the rickety Empire of Oyo began to break up. By 1821 the Alafin had lost most of his temporal authority outside metropolitan Oyo and was no longer strong enough to bring Ilorin or the other rebels to heel. In Yoruba history this was a development of the greatest significance, for the removal of Oyo's authority was to lead to seventy years of civil war.
In Ilorin Afonja kept on good terms with his Fulani and Hausa allies for just as long as Oyo remained a suzerain to be feared. When Oyo's power collapsed, however, and the threat of conquest was removed, he soon fell out with them. There are two conflicting versions of how this came about. According to the first, the Fulani and Hausas recruited by Mallam Alimi, who were known as the jama'a as the early reformers had been, got out of hand after their victory and started plundering friendly towns and villages 29 . But according to the second, the fault lay on the other side and it was the Yorubas who, as soon as the threat from Oyo had been removed, tried to deny their allies the fruits of victory and drive them out of the kingdom which they had helped to create 30 .
There is probably truth in both these accounts. Among the Fulani and Hausa volunteers there must have been many adventurers and soldiers of fortune and it would not be surprising if they were guilty of some looting and pillage. On the other hand, Afonja's ruling motive seems to have been personal ambition rather than devotion to Islam and it would have been in character if, when the Fulani and Hausas had served their purpose, he had tried to get rid of them.
Mallam Alimi himself was a soldier and teacher whose aims were religious rather than political. While he lived he did his best to keep his followers under control and his restraining influence on them, combined with the modesty of his personal aims, seems to have prevented an open breach. When he died in 1831, however, he was succeeded as leader of the Moslem group by his son, Abdu Salami dan Alimi, who was a man of much greater worldly ambition 31 .
The succession of Abdu Salami at once precipitated the crisis which had long been developing in Ilorin.
Afonja no doubt knew what sort of a man he would now have to deal with and made up his mind to attack the Fulani and Hausa immigrants and drive them out of the kingdom altogether. To that end he secretly enlisted the support of neighbouring Yoruba towns. They failed to provide the help on which he was counting, however, and the result was that, when he struck, Abdu Salami was able to turn the tables on him.
Afonja was killed in the fighting which followed and the Yoruba cause collapsed 32 .
By this victory Abdu Salami made himself master of Ilorin. Like his father before him, he had always looked to Gwandu for leadership and protection. In return he was now presented with a flag and invested with the rank and regalia of an Emir. The Emirate of florin thus came into being in 1831 as part of the Dual Empire.
Abdu Salami did not rest content with the modest domain which he had wrested from Afonja but at once set about enlarging it by making war on his neighbours. He was generally successful and, though unable to hold all his gains, won many notable victories against the crumbling power of Oyo and its warring satellites 33 .
The reverses which he suffered at
Abdu Salami 's hands at length stirred the Alafin to action and he determined to make a supreme effort to crush what he still regarded as the rebellion in Ilorin. To this end he not only summoned to arms his subjects and such vassals as were still loyal but also enlisted the aid of the neighbouring people of Borgu, who had shown in the past that they were capable of withstanding the Fulani. In Ilorin,
Abdu Salami got wind of these moves and appealed to Gwandu for help. Halilu, who in 1835 had succeeded his brother as Emir, responded by obtaining reinforcements from Sokoto and dispatching a strong combined force to Abdu Salami 's assistance 34 .
In the struggle which followed, the Yorubas and their Borgu allies won some early successes. They were gradually forced back, however, and the decisive battle took place near the capital, Old Oyo, in 1837. Its result was an overwhelming victory for the Fulani. The city was captured, the Alafin killed, and the allied armies routed. The Borgawa fared no better than the Yorubas and lost their commander as well as the Chiefs of Kaiama and Wawa 35 .
With this defeat the ancient kingdom of Oyo, which had already lost its Empire, more or less disintegrated. The old capital was never rebuilt nor did the Alafins ever recover their paramountcy. Thereafter, Oyo was hardly more than one of the city-states into which Yorubaland now broke up.
Had the Fulani of the day been as bold and aggressive as those of a previous generation they would probably have gone on to subdue these city-states piecemeal and add them to the Empire. By this time, however, their ambitions were largely satisfied and the tide of their expansion was almost spent. The year 1837, moreover, was the one in which Sultan Bello died. They were therefore content to consolidate their power in Ilorin and did not attempt to exploit their victory by making further conquests.
One of the results of the defeat of Oyo and the flight of the Yorubas from the old capital was the founding of Ibadan. The city grew very rapidly in size and importance and for much of the rest of the century it was to be at war with Ilorin, barring the way to any further advance by the Fulani and counter-attacking them whenever the opportunity offered.
Considering what a small minority the Fulani were, the surprising fact was not so much that they let pass the opportunity of annexing the rest of Yorubaland to the Empire but that they managed to establish themselves in even a corner of it. No less surprising was the fact that they were afterwards able to maintain their position among a predominantly Yoruba population when they were all the time being subjected to heavy pressure from the great mass of the Yoruba people beyond their borders. This, however, is what they succeeded in doing. In the process they, too, acquired certain characteristics which distinguished them from their kinsmen in other parts of the Empire. But, as with the Nupe Fulani, their local colouring did not diminish either their devotion to Islam or their loyalty to Gwandu and through Gwandu to Sokoto.

Here is the name of the book and author if you care to cross check.

H.A.S. Johnston.
The Fulani Empire of Sokoto
London. Ibadan. Nairobi: Oxford University Press. 1967. 312 p.

lawani:


That is an insult to the Yoruba. The Fulani are minions to the Yoruba and if not for the Kiriji war, Hausa land would have been liberated by the Yoruba, the Ibadan for instance were adopting everybody, every human being, while Ibadan and Ijebu were bitter rivals, an Ijebu man became the Olubadan, the Soun of Ogbomosho is patrilineally of Bariba descent and etc. The Yoruba style is different and if not for lack of unity back then, we would have liberated the Hausas. We had a better fighting force and connections with Europeans, it would have been a walkover. The Fulani are nowhere to be found in comparison to the Yoruba. I am shocked that you are making the comparison. Total Fulani in Nigeria can not be more than 5 to 10 million. Very sad that you will compare them to Yoruba. Really sad.

Let me tell you again, so that you will remember, the last real King of Ilorin was Oba Moma who died in 1895 an Afonja descendant. The person who put Ilorin under Britain was Balogun Ajikobi a son of Alaafin Abiodun. No Bariba land was under Fulani in Niger and Kwara. Not all Nupe fell under the Fulani. Only some North of the River Niger. So you can not even conquer the Bariba in Niger state and you are saying the Alaafin farther South would have been Fulani? When even Ilorin was not under Fulani nor Jebba in Niger state?



You are living in la la land my brother. Anybody claiming Fulani supremacy will not amount to anything in Bariba, Yoruba and etc. We have no Fulani in Ilorin. Not one single family but there are some families with some patrilineal Fulani ancestry but they are now Oyos.


So be clear, Jebba in Kwara and Niger have Obas full fledged Obas and the Jebba in Kwara is 100 km North of Ilorin. Then Sulu Gambari is patrilineally of Hausa descent. Not Fulani. Gambari in Yoruba means Hausa, not Fulani but the Olu of Ilorin title will be shifted to the Ajikobi and Afonja families soon because that is the fair thing to do.

* No one is talking about numbers, when a Fulani go to war in those days numbers donot matter to him. Yes they are small in number yet they carved out an Emirate out of old Oyo that still survive to date.

* No body is talking about supremacy, the Fulanis were not out to imposed themselves over others, they were out to spread the words of Islam.

* As for your saying that sulu Gambari is of Hausa not Fulani descent here is the list of Ilorin Emirs.


Rulers of the Ilorin Emirate

Abdusalami dan Salih Alimi (1824-1842)


Shita dan Salih Alimi (1842 1860)

Zubayro dan Abdusalami (1860-1868)


Shita Aliyu dan Shita (1868-1891)

Moma dan Zubayru (1891-1896)


Sulaymanu dan c (1896-1914)


Shuaybu Bawa dan Zubayru(1915-1919)


Abdulkadir dan Shuaybu Bawa (1920-1959)


Zulkarnayni Gambari dan Muhammadu Laofe Dan Bawa (1959-1991)



Malam Aliyu dan Abdulkadir (1992-1994)


1995
Ibrahim Kolapo dan Gambari (1995- to date)

It's left for you to digest.

As for ur saying Gambari means "Hausa" in Yoruba dats just a name. Just because your name is Benjamin does dat make you a Jew ?

lawani:


That is an insult to the Yoruba. The Fulani are minions to the Yoruba and if not for the Kiriji war, Hausa land would have been liberated by the Yoruba, the Ibadan for instance were adopting everybody, every human being, while Ibadan and Ijebu were bitter rivals, an Ijebu man became the Olubadan, the Soun of Ogbomosho is patrilineally of Bariba descent and etc. The Yoruba style is different and if not for lack of unity back then, we would have liberated the Hausas. We had a better fighting force and connections with Europeans, it would have been a walkover. The Fulani are nowhere to be found in comparison to the Yoruba. I am shocked that you are making the comparison. Total Fulani in Nigeria can not be more than 5 to 10 million. Very sad that you will compare them to Yoruba. Really sad.

Let me tell you again, so that you will remember, the last real King of Ilorin was Oba Moma who died in 1895 an Afonja descendant. The person who put Ilorin under Britain was Balogun Ajikobi a son of Alaafin Abiodun. No Bariba land was under Fulani in Niger and Kwara. Not all Nupe fell under the Fulani. Only some North of the River Niger. So you can not even conquer the Bariba in Niger state and you are saying the Alaafin farther South would have been Fulani? When even Ilorin was not under Fulani nor Jebba in Niger state?



You are living in la la land my brother. Anybody claiming Fulani supremacy will not amount to anything in Bariba, Yoruba and etc. We have no Fulani in Ilorin. Not one single family but there are some families with some patrilineal Fulani ancestry but they are now Oyos.


So be clear, Jebba in Kwara and Niger have Obas full fledged Obas and the Jebba in Kwara is 100 km North of Ilorin. Then Sulu Gambari is patrilineally of Hausa descent. Not Fulani. Gambari in Yoruba means Hausa, not Fulani but the Olu of Ilorin title will be shifted to the Ajikobi and Afonja families soon because that is the fair thing to do.

* No one is talking about numbers, when a Fulani go to war in those days numbers donot matter to him. Yes they are small in number yet they carved out an Emirate out of old Oyo that still survive to date.

* No body is talking about supremacy, the Fulanis were not out to imposed themselves over others, they were out to spread the words of Islam.

* As for your saying that sulu Gambari is of Hausa not Fulani descent here is the list of Ilorin Emirs.


Rulers of the Ilorin Emirate

Abdusalami dan Salih Alimi (1824-1842)


Shita dan Salih Alimi (1842 1860)

Zubayro dan Abdusalami (1860-1868)


Shita Aliyu dan Shita (1868-1891)

Moma dan Zubayru (1891-1896)


Sulaymanu dan c (1896-1914)


Shuaybu Bawa dan Zubayru(1915-1919)


Abdulkadir dan Shuaybu Bawa (1920-1959)


Zulkarnayni Gambari dan Muhammadu Laofe Dan Bawa (1959-1991)



Malam Aliyu dan Abdulkadir (1992-1994)


1995
Ibrahim Kolapo dan Gambari (1995- to date)

It's left for you to digest.

As for ur saying Gambari means "Hausa" in Yoruba dats just a name. Just because your name is Benjamin does dat make you a Jew ?

lawani:


There is a Gyanawa book written by a Fula tracing the descent back to the 17th century, a full 200 years before the Fulani jihad but that is a Fulani narrative. You said the Gyanawa fought alongside the reformers and etc and among he Gyanawa would be slaves or commoners who identify as Gyanawa, so it may just mean follower and not descended from. Then there are people who claim to be Fulani but are not, also some who are not but Fulanis are trying to claim them because of their success.

Aminu Kano fought against the Fulani establishment throughout, he might be Fulani but the only way I can accept he is Fulani is if his living relatives say he is one. I wont accept it from a book written by a Fulani.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/history-and-geneology-sic-of-the-gyanawa-1000-ah-to-date/oclc/28242831/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true



Then I urge you to support the installation of an Oba in Ilorin since it was a Yoruba man who put the city under British protection in person of Balogun Ajikobi descendant of Alaafin Abiodun, after the death by suicide of Oba Moma because his Baloguns frustrated his move to ally with Ibadan and Britain, something they later did. Oba Moma was of Afonja family. Afonja was also from Oyo royal family. I urge you to support them to recover their status since the Emir of Ilorin is not even a Fulani man. Emir Sulu Gambari is a Yoruba of Hausa descent. So the Fulani should support the Yoruba in Ilorin to produce a real Oba with crown and not a turban. Any help they want to render to Hausas should not be via Ilorin. There are many other ways Fulanis can help Hausas. i believe you will be in full support of the restoration of the Afonja and Ajikobi to be rotating the Olu of Ilorin title between them and god will reward you.

I appreciate ur lack of knowledge or may be lack of understanding of Fulani clans and the Fulani history at large. So I can't indulge in any further argument as my brother Gorkosusaay has enlightened you enough. But know that

* The book you are referring to ( The History and Genealogy of Gyanawa) was written by the Cousin of Murtala Ramat and Aminu Kano, who is presently among the representatives of the Gyanawa Clan in the Kano Emirate Council as " Dan-goruban Kano, Hakimin (duke of) Tarauni". So you can't repute him.

About Mallam Aminu Kano, he is but the Prodigal son of the Fulani ( If you Understand what that means) just like what Samuel Ladoke Akintola is to the Yoruba race, when he went into coalition with the Northern NPC (Northern People Congress) Or as Afonja was to the Kingdom of Oyo when he joined the fulani course through Malam Alimi to bring the fall of the Alafin.


As for you asking for the support of installing a Yoruba Oba in Ilorin; know that, what was taken by the sword can only be retrieve by the sword and now the time of swords is but gone, so just be happy that the British came in time to be abled to stop the capture Oyo by the Fulani, but for their timely intervention today the Alafin would have been of Fulani descent.

EnlightenedSoul:


Oh, there are quite a few accents and dialects all across the US, sometimes within different parts of one city. Road-tripping cross country is worthwhile in that aspect alone, 'cuz you'll just come across all manner of slang, accent, dialect, and turns of phrase you've never heard before.

Interesting, now I see, language is not only a means/medium of communication but a pointer of identity within thesame language, am fascinated about the disparity most languages have within their geographic domain especially between the two extremes. North-South and east-west.

EnlightenedSoul:


I thank you in kind, but it's just a username. I notice you're awfully polite, like Fulaman. What does your name mean?

Baaba = Father, I'm guessing?

Polite like Fulaman ? Am flattered but I guess I am not up to his level.

Yeah it's a Hausa-fulani nickname(combination of Hausa and Fula words) Baaba=Father in Fula and Liyo=little/small in Hausa. So it means "Little father" usually a nickname given to someone named after his Grandfather.

nubian999:



You're ova thinkin it hun... It's just different dialectz. I'd NEVER say mom because I'm from down south and i think the north say mom? again I say hunny and not honey lol. London is not backwards we just different like dat...

When I googled I understood it to be derogatory and I got confused bc I believe u would not call Enlightenedsoul with a derogatory word. But with ur above explanation the cloud that blurred the mind had instantly cleared. And it is educating to know that English language have dialects just like most African Languages.

EnlightenedSoul:


Hun > Barbarian > Barbar > Badass

Hun: a term of endearment for badass people. Not to be confused with the softer, gooeyer, "hon" short for "honey" used for babies, boring folk and romantic soft spots.

Ex. So is life, hun. [Stoic]

Ex. I'll take that one, and you take that other one, hun. [Operational]

Ex.
A: Hun, I ...
B: Uh-Oh...*Braces oneself for discourse* [Serious]

Not to be confused with the, often domestic, filler "Hon":

Ex. Pass me the salt, hon.

Ex. Aw, that's so sweet of you. I do love you, hon.

Ex. Hon, where did I put the...? Please, please, please, tell me you've seen it. Goddamit, I'm going to be late!

cc nubian999

Gratitude for the clarification or may I say " for the enlightenment from an enlightened soul".

nubian999:


so is life hun... but yh Alhamdulilaah all is well.

Excuse my curiosity pls, What's the meaning of this word you are so fun of using "Hun".

Somguy:


I think that you are being overly simplistic in your analysis. You cannot undermine the significance of the stereotypes that are propagated through the media in colouring how some people of colour come to view their own people vs. white people (the dominant culture). Logically speaking, the "brainwashing mechanism" would be even greater in a white society than in Africa due to a closer proximity to the dominant culture as well as a diluted cultural identity on the part of the immigrant population. Immigrants in the West are constantly told that their native cultures are inferior and that in order to become more "civilised" and "advanced", they need to adopt the cultural norms of the host nation (which, by the way, are also exported to Africa - sometimes at the point of a gun). People internalise this propaganda to varying degrees. It is not unthinkable that many African women in the West come to view white men as being inherently superior to their own. In fact, some will even say this outright (they are all over the internet). This isn't just a random theory by the way. PR-specialists such as Walter Lippman and Edward Bernays have spoken at length about the far-reaching role of the media in propagating stereotypes and how these stereotypes can then be used to influence and control people through perception. Perception is reality as they say. If you want to understand how this specifically applies to colonised people, then check out Frantz Fanon's "White Skin, Black Masks" in which he describes this phenomenon at length and in great detail.

I'm not saying that every black person who chooses to marry a white person is doing so based on self-hate. There are, however, certain dynamics that cannot be ignored especially in the case of someone from a colonised nation who chooses to exclusively date/marry someone other than their own people.

As for your statement that you would much rather marry a white man than an AA, then this indicates (at least to me) that you feel closer to "white culture" than AA culture (perhaps even more than your own Somali culture?). Judging by your posts here, you seem like a liberal/progressive atheist/agnostic feminist (please correct me if I am wrong, I base this on some things you wrote in the religion forum as well as your posts here), which kind of explains why you have a closer cultural affinity to a white person rather than the average African/AA. There is a larger pool of whites who share your ideals than the average African or AA person, so that's quite natural IMO. That by itself would not indicate "self-hate". IF, however, you choose to exclusively date/marry white men and categorically refuse to even entertain the thought of dating men who come from a similar background, then that would strongly indicate a level of internalised racism.

It would also be interesting to look into why you've adopted certain concepts/beliefs that evolved within the specific context of "white culture", and thus cannot be assumed to be universally applicable, as your own culture. But maybe that's a topic for a different thread and would side-track this current discussion.

Looking forward to your reply.

Ps. can you please try to make it as concise as possible??

Well said, kudos.

Hmmmm I keep wondering why the obsession with looks and beauty on a culture thread ?? Something neither of us have control over. As a west African, I was hoping to know much about other people's culture, especially other Africans but it seems all am getting so far, its a beauty contest/argument. Hope we would start talkin about our cultures and keep the beauty contests a side, for its an argument none of us will WIN. Be cause beauty besides been in " the eye of the be holder" its something common to all tribes and ethnicities. All tribes have the extremely beautifuls, the very beautifuls, the beautifuls and the not so beautifuls.

okuneddie:







no wonder u know a lot about the tribes there.....lau us very close to jalingo

yeah, actually I lived in Jalingo, I used to made transit btw it (Jalingo) and Lau

okuneddie:














nice write up op....I use to think all northerners are Hausa Fulani till I served in Taraba state...u also know lots of Taraba tribes....I served in Kona village Jalingo

Thanks for the compliment.

What a coincidence, I also served in Taraba...... In Lau Local Government.

GorkoSusaay:

Baseless and senseless post.
Murtala Mohamed is Hausa. From the patrician families of Kano.
Aminu Kano, the radical, is Fulani.

Murtala Is also a Hausa Fulani they are of the same clan (Gyanawa) with Aminu Kano.

naijaking1:
Hausa subjugation by the few Fulanis started when Othman dan Fodio, a peasant Fulani artisan presented to the court of Sarkin Gobir, impressed the king with his knowledge of history, religion, and even gun making. The king took him in as an adviser and confidante. Later, Fodio used his proximity with the king to overthrow him, and his reason was that the Hausa King practiced an "impure form of islam" Having consolidated his hold on the kingdom, he went on to establish Sokoto in a nearby town.

Othman dan Fodio then used the same tactic to over throw the Sarkin Kano, where the beautiful and strong Queen Amina had just ruled. Othman dan Fodio sent one of his family member to Kano as emir, replacing and abolishing the traditional Hausa Kingship. Ditto for other Hausa city states namely Daura, Katsina, Rano, etc.

The same technique was also used by Alimi in Illorin with the gullible and treacherous Afonja who betrayed his leader,the Oyo king to ally with a nomadic Fulani artisan. The same technique used by Othman dan Fodio in Gobir was used in Illorin, and the Fulani teacher succeeded in overthrowing Afonja and his family.

It's true, the Fulanis are worshipped by the Hausa, the way native Americans worshiped early European conquestidors.
Till today, the average Hausa man wants to tell you that he is Fulani, even those with 100% Hausa futures would claim to be descendant of a Fulani, unfortunately, the Fulanis know themselves, just like the Europeans know themselves.
Like Sanusi Lamido Sanusi said, there's pure bred Fulanis like Murtala Mohammed, and then there's Fulani wanna-bees like IBB and other generals from the Benue Plateau axis.

The Fulanis have an age old method of achieving, maintaining, and handing over power to themselves. They are also experts at getting the more numerous populations of Hausas, Nupes, and even Yorubas to do their bidding. For one, the history and nature of Fulanis are forbidden from being thought in Nigerian schools today. This prohibition leads to repeated circle of mistakes and falling prey to the same techniques used by Fodio and his family members.

Thanks to Hausa patriots like Aminu Kano who wouldn't fall into line with the dictates of Othman dan Fodio's grand son, the sultan of Sokoto, the average Hausa man 'almost' got liberated.

Another foolish assertion, Aminu Kano is Hausa Fulani, belongs to the Gyanawa Fulani clan.

Huasamafia1:
keeping fooling yourself as long as the foolanis did not allow us to produce the governor of Gombe state and fct minister it is over between us . we also are fit n knowledgeable to produce an emir.
#bringbackourhausakings

Your ignorance let you believe that Gombe is a Hausa state. Let me enlighten you a little, Gombe is not a Hausa state.

Greatalafin:
Yoruba my people dont you think it is time to take over what belongs to us . Ilorin throne belongs to the yorubas not fulani . mtcheeew fooolani ko emir ni. Abeg let have oba of Ilorin .
Oba of Ilorin loading

The version of the "Oba" u're loading is incompatible with this Ilorin.

BudeYahooCom:
If they really love the hausas let them start by removing Sanusi as Emir and replace him with a 100% hausa man. KANO IS HAUSALAND

Bring me 100% Hausa man from Kano and I will make him the Emir.

BudeYahooCom:


Stop feeling insecure Sir, what I have written are not lies, tackle them Objectively. I understand you are fulani and jittery about losing influence. Infact it is one of the reasons you discourage western education in hausaland while fulani children go abroad to study in UK, US. eg Zahra
You keep hausas poor so that they can't afford western education like your Buhari echoed at Aljazeera. I have never seen a fulani almajiri all my life in the core north.

The information age is here sir
I was born and bred in Hausaland. Fulani are foreigners who use Hausa population to retain power.

What have we bred then ??

Amina11:
This impunity by the Fulani's must stop i urge Hausa men to stop acting like cowards be bold and confront the fulanis they are humans not gods mtcheeww

Hausa men are not cowards, they're just patient and easy-going people who care less about been leaders their main occupation is their Trade, so go check their history.

Hausama2:
How long shall we huasa be ruled by the fulani in our land.
How long shall we keep quite
We huasa have decided to fight for our right
From know any Emir that vacates his office we must install a huasa man as Emir
Failure to do so we will fight for our right
Every Muslims are equall
We hausas must produce the next
Emir ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
WE ARE NOT SLAVES TO THE FULANIS
COMON FCT MINISTER THAT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE GIVING TO US BUHARI GAVE IT TO HIS FULANI BROTHER. painfully during election they will say we are one north but after elections the fulanis will grab everything , nepotism is in their blood, killing anyone that speaks the truth is their slogan
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
NO TO FULANI SLAVERY
#BRINGBACKOURHAUSAKINGS

Hahaha, by the way u had written "Hausa" as Huasa it shows that u're a southerner and an imposter not a real Hausa. No real Hausa will write this rubbish.