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Shepherd00:
Will you believe if I tell you? The Rosicrucian who brought my in died mysteriously when he tried to leave, do you do it?

You are a liar hence you are afraid to expose your lies. Let us go find out at my cost and come back to report to the world through Nairaland. I'm sure that is fair enough.

Shepherd00:
Oga dimension, the light Jesus Christ meant is not electricity or an oil lamp. It talks about knowledge. Enlightenment. The same knowledge you claim you have but hide it.


Who do you think He was referring to?
Matthew 13:14-15 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
MiddleDimension Why?

For these people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Did Jesus say the gospel hid that is why those people won't understand? No.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Why?

[b]In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4

You call Him 'Your Jesus', meaning He is ours and not yours, how can you then understand Him?


Are you certain of this? because people like you have always been there, hearing but not believing. Like the Pharisees, your mind is already made up.

Your type were there, the so called enlightened men. Babacele proudly mentioned men of renown who are Rosicrucians yet, Jesus left them and picked the scum of the earth. Fishermen, Shepherds, low-born with no name. You know why?

You are proud, believing that you know more than everyone else, so are better than all. That is SELF, Pride is the Evil spirit and the Lord resists the proud.
And, am I surprised? No. This is what you stand for;

To cause you to engage in introspection, that is, to turn your consciousness within, to look upon yourself;
Depending on yourself instead of God?

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

To engender within you a feeling of aspiration and idealism; and exact from you a sacred obligation or promise which you make to yourself that you will try to fulfill your aspirations.
SELF and More SELF.

Jesus resists the proud, this is why He spoke to your kind in parables. Your type are the ones He meant when He said 'Cast not your pearls to swines'.


Have you head of self exultation? That was to teach us humility. Do not raise higher than you ought.



And this permits our secret activities in AMORC?

My pastor keep saying that very high placed Political Alhajis go to him secretly for prayers and most pay tithes to him, why is that? It started like this. So, does it mean these Alhajis are in a secret Cult with my pastor?
Guy, the straws are gone, what will you be grabbing now?


Wow, that most be some very big secret with 12 men present. And here we are reading abt it in almost all the languages of the earth. lolzzzzz.


And how did you know all these? Oh wait!!!!!! It's written in a Book that has been translated and is still being translated into all the languages so that those who can read can see it.

Is this how you hide secrets in AMORC? lolzzzzzzzzzz.


Do you mean Apostles? He had 12. shd I name them? His disciples are innumerable. I I'm one of them and you can be too if you repent.

You tried, but, guy, this is very lame.

Jesus had more than12 disciples even in the Bible . e.g Joseph Arimathea, John 19: 38.

Shepherd00:
Yes for posterity. So that people who believed your lies in the passed will see clearly that you are a lair and those who are confused can be redirected.

Who are the people AMORC has killed as you boldly claim? Why are you afraid to substantiate your claim? . I'm ready to sponsor a team to verify your claim and expose it here. I am serious.

Shepherd00:
I'm yet to see any of my Christian Brothers. Budaatum said he is not a Christian. So who are my Christian Brothers?

A Christian who says Jesus was a member of AMORC. You and that Christian are high on air.

He was talking about your lies concerning the 3 wise men or astrologers that visited the baby Jesus but refused to cooperate with Herod.

Shepherd00:
Mentioning those names makes AMORC less Occultic? Are you that daft? Who are the Occult people in the society if not the elite? You don see any poor man dey join occult?

You think mentioning pastors will proof that AMORC is good. Can any pastor who is in AMORC openly declare he is in AMORC? Why can't he?
since you say AMORC is a school, pastors who are/were medical doctors, teachers Architects, etc, are openly declaring who they are/were, why aren't they declaring their AMORC status?

Did you mention pastors to imply that God who is Jesus is in support of Astrology and Sorcery? Is that why you think a pastor will join AMORC?

What is the name of your father? his initiation details. Everything that proofs that he was indeed an AMORC and left. When he left did he became a Christian and confessed what AMORC is about or he just led his life?

Those are members and their contributions to the world is invaluable. You don't know the meaning of occultism hence like a typical ignoramus, you are flaunting repeatedly.
I just gave out my father's key number - like a matric No-for Fratermathy to crosscheck my claims unlike you whose friend has no key or known identity. Mention your friends key No if you are not a liar.

Does being a member of a school stops one from practising his religion? Your ignorance stinks.

Shepherd00:
So says the Lord.


Wait, this is the basis for AMORC's secretiveness?

Oga, when you pluck up Scriptures to use, remember I have a Bible too, so I can check out if you are taking them out of Context. Like you just did.

Why didn't you begin frome verse 1?
1John 7:1-4
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand.
His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.

For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world

He relegated His ministry to Galilee, Why? The Jews sort to kill Him. Does this means He was secretive? Can you read these verses and say Jesus performed miracles in secret? Can you mention the miracles He performed in secret?

The miracles He performed was it on Bats or Owls which comes out only at Nights? Wasn't it on humans who work by day and sleep by Night?

How did Jesus' brothers know He was performing Miracles if He did them in secret?

Do your brothers who are not in AMORC know your activities?


Why do you people hide to meet then? why aren't your meeting in the daylight where people can hear and see what you do? Why at mid-nights?

Why is AMORC so secretive?


Really? Where are your offices in Nigeria, and can I walk in there, sit with you in your meetings like we do in Churches?


You mean like Lighting a Candle and hiding it under a bowl right?

Jesus sat openly and taught us, yet you quote Him wrongly to support your lies. You are of your father.


I need to see where Christ said he wasn't holy.
Jesus is the Holy Spirit but to you AMORC people HE is not Holy?

1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.. Who is it referred to here? Jesus who is the same as Jehovah. Do you even know that Mr AMORC man?
And, which spirit drives AMORC if it's not the Holy Spirit as you have rightly pointed out?

How many Spirits are out there?


You do that by hiding knowledge from the People abi ? You need to read what you are typing if it's making sense.


Clap for yourself mr AMORC man.

You think by repeating your lies and misconceptions ,it becomes truth? Nope . You said Jesus never accused of being secretive and i quoted the verse to you to prove to you that 'secret or hidden 'does not mean evil. That colleges or universities are public places does not mean you can walk in to take their lectures without being tested ,deemed fit and registered to participate in their activities. Same thing AMORC and any sane school. If AMORC is unaccessible as you claim how have the members been joining? How on this forum the OP and several persons are talking about it? How did Isaac Newton, Shakespeare, Benjamin Franklin, Kenneth idiodi, and several persons on this forum join?

Have you had any personal experience with any of the offices or officials? Obviously No.

Not even Jesus, in His mercifulness , allowed ',swines' access to special knowledge by veiling his messages in parables,or having secret disciples including women . It is a law and only the deep can understand.

MiddleDimension:
why babacele keeps responding to his post is what i do not know. even his christian brothers i called up here are so embarrased about his understanding and interpretation of the visit of the maggis to jesus, that they could not even try to comment when i called them to.

for posterity sir.

LoJ:
I disagree with the core of your thesis, though some element of it make sense.

No organization is part of the GWB (for want of a better way to refer to them). Some individuals, living in this dimension or not, maybe part of it but not out of their belonging to their organization. Truth has no affiliation, and as great as any organization can be, truth is bigger. Moreover, it is always a mistake, born of religious fanatism, to view a man with messianic eyes. Though I like Harvey spencer, I find erroneous to claim that the present mystical cycle was entrusted to his care. The same claims are made about Svendeborg, Abdrushin, Jesus, Muhammad, among many others. It's a classical sign of fanatism.

As we all agree that Jesus was certainly not a graduate of amorc as implied in your previous post, that is all that matters.

Now are you talking about the exoteric or esoteric GWB? I m sure the two go together. In as much as no organisation or ideals or person holds the absolute truth, the cosmic in her wisdom do entrust certain truths to whomever she dims fit for the benefit of posterity hence the need for special mediums(media) or schools,persons,ideals with strict adherence to certain conditions, and the public engagements are usually dependent on the level of consciousness of the populace. It must be pointed out that such secrets or knowledge are often not found in any other place until they are disseminated to the benefit of the public by special channel known only to the Rosicrucians. Like i pointed out, AMORC is just a recent name of a part of an old Order- the Exoteric GWB -if you would permit me sir.

It was this physical school that the young Joseph attended. The principles of truths are the same as the original knowledge that have been well documented throughout the ages that the Order exists. The question is ' who is a rosicrucian'? You must attain it, and it is only through cosmic illumination one can achieve that.

There are periods that the work would be off the public glare; a sort of winter before the summer of actions and resumed activities. The Cosmic in her infinite wisdom chose Lewis to perpetuate the new cycle in America for obvious reasons . He is just a messenger like all masters. Hmmmm religious fanaticism is a manifest of our level of consciousness. Man is still evolving.

Which adept can guarantee his student the membership of the GWB ? Now speaking mystically, im talking about the invisible, cosmopolitan, global non sectarian body of truth that is free from religious bias,race prejudice and class politics.

Peace profound.

Shepherd00:
Who accused Him of that? When I refer to Christ, I post scriptures, so pls, let me see who accused of Him of that.

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Is this the basis for your secret dead of the night meetings, in undisclosed locations talking in whispers?

[b]AMORC does not meet in the dead of nights nor vigils , and all AMORC offices and buildings are registered, well known, public places. .

Jesus said pray in your closet to avoid hypocrisy, which is Man-pleasing and eye-service. If a man is praying in his room, will his wife see him or not?


When a Rosicrucian attends a Grotto, does his wife see him? except they all belong to the same cult, can he perform any rituals in her presence? Does he allow his children (except the one who is marked to replace him) touch his enchanted books or materials?


Truth teller, tell the truth.


Matt 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred or Holy; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
Can you tell me how this translates to Occultism? What is Holy abt AMORC that you people keep secret?

I hope you know that Sacred is not the same thing as Secret?







This is why; John 3:10-12 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe or understand not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Christ used what is familiar to teach what is not familiar. Got it?



All of these to convince yourself that Jesus was your fellow Rosicrucian? hahahahahahaha. You want consolation to remain in the Occult abi? try.

Christ in doing this taught us to avoid PRIDE, EXULTING SELF. Haughtiness, thinking of yourself higher than you shd.

How is this Occultic?

Budaatum, Jesus was a Rosicrucian abi?

By their fruits ye shall know them.


1.John 7:3-4;
. 3 So his brothers2 said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. 4 For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.”
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All AMORC members family are aware of their folks activities like your folks are aware that you are student of a college . Many eventually join because of the wholesomeness that the member exudes. Most AMORC lessons are studied at home .
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AMORC does not meet in the dead of nights nor vigils , and all AMORC offices and buildings are registered, well known, public places. .[/b]
4you use words you do not know the meaning and have never experienced but only conjectures from your imaginations and warped mind. I put it to you ' what is a grotto?'
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Since you are not aware, ' occultism means hidden or secret knowledge'. So what do you keep from 'dogs,pigs' so to speak, if not secret knowledge? AMORC has never claimed to be holy as Christ refused to so called except the Father in heaven, however AMORC has sincerely to apply itself to helping mankind fight ignorance, and superstition. The several lists of eminent persons in different fields globally who have passed AMORC's portal , and who have left humanity better than they met it are a testament to what AMORC stands for

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LoJ:
I agree and that's what I was implying, if you read my post again.

What is your stance on the Lectorium R.?

Fratermathy is correct. But you would agree that the GWB has always assumed different names in different cycle of its existence with unique well guided features away from the profane and 'swines'. This present numenclature and cycle was started by Dr H Lewis with the old traditions carefully entrusted to his cares just as Akhnaton-the birther of monotheism- nurtured the GWB . The Essenes ,you would agree ,were members of the GWB which AMORC ,among few sister organisations presently epitomized. The essenes,living in Galilee of the gentiles, had awaited the coming of the logo , and had prepared adequately for his care ,education and training. I am sure you are aware.

Shepherd00:
Did you say my friend never was a member of AMORC?

I asked you, do people leave AMORC or not? did you answer?

On this note, I put it to you that AMORC kills anyone who tries to leave to keep their secrets secret. But, alas, people still leave.

if it is true that your friend who revealed the 'secrets' to you is a member , why cant you tell him to tell you his key number . You said 'AMORC kills ' and i said mention the people the organisation kills with date,place and names... very simple.

why are you afraid to substantiate your claims since you know. People join AMORC at will and leave at will. There are hundreds of folks who have left the school and are out there. In one breath you claim ex-members said and in the same breath you say there are no ex-members alive because the organisation killed them as there is no exit plan. What a claim! My own father with key number 8880301B ( fratermathy confirm please)left more than 25 years ago, and was hale and hearty without anybody or anything disturbing him. It was his unusual sincerity and clear thoughts about issues that attracted me to AMORC. Several eminent and not so eminent Nigerians and persons all over the world including scientists like Isaac Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Einstein ,madam Curie etc writers and literary giants like Shakespeare;politicians like G. Washington; Pastors, gardeners, artists, academicians,doctors,and other workers in other fields of human endeavours; folks from different religions ,class, gender and status have been, and are members of AMORC. Many left to other schools or for reasons best known to them and not even a complaint about being harassed or disturbed have we ever heard apart from your kind of lies that you are afraid to confront with evidence.

What is the relationship between Amorc and Islam ?

Name the members that wanted to leave and were killed with dates,places and their names . Why is that so difficult for you?

Shepherd00:
Do you remember me asking you if people never ever leave AMORC? Since you said my friend was never a member so was lying. I'm still waiting for that answer.

I said what that means then is that AMORC is a deadly fraternity which people only go in but not leave.

There's no organization where there are no ex-members why not AMORC.

Do people leave AMORC? Shd we believe what they tell us?

And you didn't answer this; since we shd not believe what those who have left say abt you, shd we get initiated to find out if what they say is true or not?

You acted like you haven't seen this question.


Of people leave God, who is satan that people won't leave him?

Islam cuts off the heads of those who leave, people still leave and wait for beheading. why not AMORC?

Shepherd00:
Until you point to me where I said people were killed. And even that is the case, won't you deny and get your fingers burnt?

Here you are denying that AMORC is not s secret Cult, I expect you to admit that you guys do blood sacrifice? O boy go find place Sidon.

Shepherd00:

AMORC is a secret society. A deadly secret society that kills those who try to leave to keep them from revealing their secrets.








did you say this or not? So why is it difficult for you to substantiate your claim?

LoJ:
Can you provide evidence that Jesus was from Amorc?

I know that it is highly possible that Jesus be influenced by rosicrucian thought and practice. But is it possible to reduce rosicrucianism to Amorc?

with warmest regards i would answer you shortly sir.

Shepherd00:
I'm not in the mood for you this evening Biko.

How do they expect outsiders to know what AMORC is really abt when everything abt is clandestine? The few that people know base on what those who left the fraternity said, they claim are lies.

Welcome to defend darkness which you are very good at.

Why is it difficult for you to name the people you claimed were killed with dates,places and their key numbers? Everyday I would remind you.

Shepherd00:
If you insist that I lied, then admit that AMORC is a one way fraternity with only entrance but no exit? True?
You don't believe people leave AMORC?


Lolzz, you saw that I quoted long long epistles but you didn't read in those useless epistles what I quoted. If you did, you'd ve gotten your answers.


I asked you a question which you jumped over. If Jesus went to school, wouldn't his immediate contemporaries know? The people who knew said he was a Carpenter, but Occultic Tibetans said he studies Sorcery, whose account is likely to be true?


You mean the visit by your Occultic grand Masters? Yes, I can tell you.

In Eden after the fall, A prophecy came that Satan's head shall be crushed by the Seed of the Woman. Satan from then began gathering hordes to watch and try to thwart it. He tried to contaminate the gene pole in the days of Noah by sending his demons to have sex with humans, he failed.

He followed prophecies closely. Daniel was in Babylon where Magic and Sorcery ruled the Kingdom. He had his visitations there, he wrote his encounters down. While the Israelites left, those parchments were left in the hands of the sorcerers who were on assignment. They read them and knew it will happen some day and kept watching their stars until it happened.

When they saw the star that Jesus was born, they followed the star to Judea, on getting to Judea, they stopped following the Star which led them all the way from the east and went to see one of their own satanic agents, Herod.

Jesus was out of their reach so they needed someone who could do it for them. They reported to Herod the birth of Jesus, Herod didn't even know where the child was.

The Maggie's motive was to steer Herod against the child which they did.

Outside, the Star they abandoned was still there, it was the same Star which led them to the Child. Why didn't they follow the star straight to the Child?

On seeing the Child, they pretended to present gifts, of which one was for his burial rite.

To the on lookers, great men came to worship Jesus, but the real motive was to move Herod to kill the Child to keep Him from crushing Satan's head.

Satan knew what Jesus was to do to him which He has down. Cast him down into the deepest parts of hell.

Anytime someone calls you guys out, you quickly run to making a case against God. If you fight against God, who wld you be fighting for?


I shd bring the Person to Nairaland faceless forum. Is that an excuse?

How will you know it's me will be engaging?

From the beginning to the end ,you lie without conscience.
In what book of the Bible or recorded history is your spurious claims about the 3 astrologers or Maggi's visit to the baby Christ and their devilish intentions documented? The same astrologers that brought gifts,worshipped the baby and refused to cooperate with Herod? You must be high with your misconceptions ,bias and ignorance.

Shepherd00:
Wow, You guys are good. You shd be proud at how well you pick from the Bible to confirm your satanic teaching.

Pls explain in details how what the Lord said there was a law of secrecy.

Was Christ not accused of operating in secrecy ? Didn't Christ say we should pray in the secret of our homes so that God can bless us publicly? Didn't he warn us not to give our ' precious' to swines? Why did he employ parables ? Even in some healings ,He admonished those healed to just go unannounced. True or false?

Shepherd00:
Your point?

What has this got to do with Rosicrucian being an Occultic Fraternity? Or you want to claim Jehovah is Occultic for allow His people be tempted by satan?

You are very clever by trying to turn the discussion away from the main point.


AMORC is a secret society. A deadly secret society that kills those who try to leave to keep them from revealing their secrets.

Which persons have AMORC harmed or killed? name them here please. You should state their names,place, and dates .

Shepherd00:
You know, I have dealing with people like you for years.

Here. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
Matt 4:1

Jesus was meant to be tempted. And I didn't say
temptation in itself is a sin, what is a sin is taking the bait thrown at you by satan. Just like Eve.

Did you miss the materialism versus Love part?

Shd I repeat myself?

You said lusts for materials stuff attracts and I said was it what made Satan have access to Christ too? So it was God again through the spirit that took Christ to the Devil to be tested? Just like Job? So God is working with the Devil?

MPvirtue:
No one takes a light and puts it under a bowl or hides it. Instead, he puts the light on a lampstand so that the people who come in can see( we announce publicly to help people out of their ignorance).

Jesus did same, that is why he went about doing good, preaching, teaching, healing, raising the dead and casting out devils. He never hides His deeds because they are good deeds.

In the same way let your light shine before people, so they can see the good things you do and praise your Father who is in heaven.

you just insinuate your ignorance as truths. In as much as Christ went public ,he knew and displayed the law of secrecy ( which doesn't connote evil) to deliver His messages. It is this law he was referring to when he said we should NOT share our precious with ' swines' or the unworthy less they trample on them. So exactly what are you saying?

MPvirtue:
God, with his mercy, gave us this work to do. So we don’t give up. Instead, we reject secrecy and shameful actions. We use no trickery, and we do not change the teaching of God. We teach the truth plainly. This is how we show everyone who we are. And this is how they can know in their hearts what kind of people we are before God.

And if our gospel or the good news that we preach is veiled, it is veiled to those who are on the road to destruction. But it is hidden only to those who are lost because the god of this age (the devil) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe (those who don’t have faith so they couldn’t see the light of the gospel that reveals Christ’s glory).

In the name of Jesus Christ, the light of God begins to shine in your hearts. That Satanic hold is broken right now by the fire of the Holy Spirit. You will come to the realization of who the true God is from now onwards in Jesus name! Amen.

Well done my brother and sisters for representing Christ confidently. God bless and keep you!

Please, Christians share the light(The Word of God) wherever you perceive darkness (ignorance). We are living to do the work of Jesus Christ.
TEAMJLC (Just Like Christ).

Does secrecy mean evil? Why did Jesus employ secrecy in some of His messages and actions? He even told us to pray in secret and not the public displays as we have everywhere. Are you a real follower of Christ?

Shepherd00:
So this is mysticism to you?

I asked you if you knew what the Sovereignty of God means. Pls answer me.

No one can ask God to do anything, He is God and who said satan has unrestricted access to man?
Sagan has access to you by your lusts for his things.

If satan has unfettered access to all men, no man will be alive today talk less of serving God.

Why was not able to afflict Job in the first place? Was it not because there was a hedge around Job and everything he owned?

You brought up Job's case yet you know nothing abt it?

Satan claimed without material blessings Job won't love God, thus, God said, remove the things and see.

When the loss of material things didn't sway Job, satan opted to afflict Job. So was God who afflicted Job?

God didn't afflict Job or send satan to., He only wanted satan to see that Love is more powerful than Money or wealth

so it was because of Jesus lusts that the Satan visited him after 40 days and night? So It wasn't with God's permission that Satan killed Jobs household ,destroyed his properties and afflicted him with diseases?

Shepherd00:
How am I to do that in a faceless forum? Shd I pull him to Nairaland? Will you believe him? Have you ever believed anyone who had left and what they said made them to leave?


And you know, yeah? So, it shouldn't be hard for you to post his results, year of graduation and fellow class mates.

Read and fight with yourself.

Matt 2:19-21
After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt

and said, "Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child's life are dead.

So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.

Shey children carried by their parents study sorcery in the Rosicrucian Order?


Where do you think He was if not cutting and nailing wood like Joseph His father?

Mark 6:1
Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples.

6:2When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. "Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles!

6:3Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him

.6:4Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

Did you see that He went to his village? Amongst those who knew him through and through, those whom He played street soccer with.

If he took a eighteen years sabbatical to go study in Egypt instead of cutting and nailing wood, wouldn't these folk know? Why will they call an elite a Carpenter?

Becos they knew he was a Carpenter. Not a son of some Pharisee or Centurion who could afford to send their children to school amongst the elite in Egypt.

You have been told that Jesus studied sorcery in Egypt and you believed without asking yourself how Joseph could afford the means as a refugee hiding from the king to send his son to school that high in those days?

As you watch Harry Potter, you saw that those students were children of the peasant commoners right?

In those days, only the children of the high lords go to school sir, Was Joseph a high Lord?

Between the Jews whom Jesus grew up with and the Tibethan Rosicrucians who wld know Jesus better?

But you can lie with their claims in a faceless forum?
All the long long epistle you quoted is useless as you fail to show Jesus activities before age 12 and up to 30 before he started His ministry. At what age did he leave Egypt? You jump up and down mentioning stuff you know nothing about. So son of a peasant couldn't have gone to school because of the poverty of Joseph? Do you know the arrangement awaiting His birth? E.g the visit by the 3 wise men or astrologers. You know nothing. Fratermathy challenged you to bring the person with his key number, and we shall be glad to engage the person here.

Shepherd00:
Hahahahahahaha. Guy, this is very lame. You claimed Jesus went to school and graduated from the Rosicrucian Order and I said proof it. How can you ask me to proof something I never claimed?

I bring which former students? Did I Claim any body went to school? what the hell?
Bros, I know Jesus never wen to school you why?

He was from Nazareth and lived there till he was 30. So he had neighbors, whose children he played with. They went to the same Synagogue. He worked wood for the people.

If he had gone to school they wld know. But they knew he didn't hence were surprised and some were angry that he whom they knew so well could stand before them and declare he was God. He was killed for that purpose.

Jn 7:15-16
The Jews were amazed and asked, "How did this man get such learning without having studied?

Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.

Babacele, who was the leader of the Rosicrucian then who must have sent Jesus to teach?

PLE NOTE, these weren't his disciples talking. Even at this point his own siblings didn't believe in who he said he was, of course they too were surprised as he knew so much hence mocked him.

Jn 7:3-5
Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do.

No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.

For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

Lolzzzzz at Jesus' brothers.

See? who do you think will know Jesus better? His brothers. Don't you think if Jesus studied sorcery in Egypt his brothers will use it to taunt for showing off?

It will be laughable if you try to pass off your claims of Jesus studying sorcery because he was born as human and subjected to humanity.

Not every Child today who was born, pood, ate, drank cried, slept or even died went to school. So pls bring another scam.

I was asking you to verify the claims by your " former member" friends. How could I expect you prove that Christ was schooled when you dnt know? When did he come back from Egypt after he was taken away from Herods? What was he doing between between age 12 when he appeared at the Temple and age 30 before he began His ministry? What do you mean sorcery from Egypt?

Shepherd00:
Lolzzzzz. So God graduated from your earthly school? You must be proud.

He must have written some exams, can we see his exams scripts?
The year he graduates, pls can I see your year book? I need to see how my Master looks on a convocation gown.

BTW, you didn't answer me. Shd I disregard the Testimonies of your former students but shd come in and see for myself before I can believe?

A truth seeker would always find out truth absolutely from any 2 parties before judging or reaching conclusions. I'm challenging you to bring the former students here on NL . No he didn't go to school at all. Neither did Jesus eat at all ,nor play nor cry, sleep neither did he pray nor speek Greek. He was not even taken to Egypt for safekeep from Hero. No he showed no human traits at all. It was all magic and supernatural from the beginning. I could have been wasting my time.

Shepherd00:
It is the belief, study and harnessing of the supernatural or paranormal powers, for the purpose of controlling their world.


What is occultic abt this? So because God granted audience to Lucifer God became an Occult?

Man, have you ever heard of the Sovereignty of God?

And do you know what unconditional love means?

God did that to proof to satan that Job's love for Him wasn't predicated on the material things he possessed. Whether or not Job had those things he wld still love and serve God. But satan feels the only way a man can love his master is only if that master gives out material things to his servants. That is why everyone who runs to satan is promised things and receives them.

Without material things no one will serve satan. But, Jehovah proofed to satan that that was not the case with His servants.

I serve God in good and bad situations. hungry or full, sheltered or destitute, in sickness and in health.

This was a mystery to satan, hence he asked to afflict Job to see if it was true.


Anything else?

You could be defining magic or anything else there but not occultism.

Beautiful! so Satan has direct access to God talkless of taking permission to go try folks. Why couldn't God just totally 'remove' Satan once and for all rather than allowing him unfettered access to man? So it is God that send Satan to afflict man? That is just a simple mysticism in Christianity and not occultism.

Shepherd00:
Bring it on man.

The Occult in the Bible Indeed. I'm waiting for you sir.

What is occultism? Let me give a simple assignment ,though: Satan taking permission from God to try Job , can you explain that?

Shepherd00:
So what you're saying is, we shd disregard the accounts given by your former members but we shd come in ourselves and experience things for ourselves to know if there's human sacrifice going on there?

And, if we escape and tell what is going on there, people shd also call us lairs abi?

See satan.

which members,which accounts? does Amorc look all these fake churches where pastors trade in human parts to deceive folks like you? AMORC is a school ,and one of the graduates is Jesus Christ whom you worship. Isn't it a sin to talk about what you don't know?

Shepherd00:
They know, but deny it in public to draw people into Satanism.

Any AMORC person who doesn't do human sacrifice remains at a kindergarten level.

I have a friend who was but has now left, you only need to listen to him.

Human sacrifice? You are not even ashamed of your heartless lies. Sacrifice for what? Obviously ,you are having nightmares from your ignorance . When confronted to substantiate their funny claims, this has always been their shameless responses: " my friend said; my friend's father; somebody said , etc". For lying without shame ,you are a christian indeed. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Shepherd00:
Really? You don't see the similarities?

The Occult (AMORC) which is what you are doing here is Satan's religion and satan has been here long before any of our great grand parents.

Have you seen the similarities now?

you don't even know the meaning of " occult" ,so how can I discuss with you? if I ask you about the occultism in the Bible now like: " why did God create the tree of good and evil in the garden of Eden" , won't I cause you a serious migraine?

MiddleDimension:
you are the one who sees the truth that he is daydreaming; for him, that's the truth!

I can only wish him goodluck.

MiddleDimension:
he actually feels The Rosicrucian Order and all other esoteric organizations are copying the word of god, and do not want to give glory to god because they are too proud.

he says this because he saw it in his progenitor's monograph, certain things Oyakhs is just begining to have a clue of. so he concludes that AMORC copies from them. he would go and pull out some silly scriptures that says everything was made from the begining. those scriptures could not even tell them what exactly were made from the begining so that the likes of @donnie won't see a new thing now and claim oh, his bible already said it that all things were made from the begining.

He must be daydreaming. From Aknahton,Jesus ,Benjamin Franklin, Einstein , Shakespeare, Madam Currie, G Washington and too numerous positive influences to mention, is there any organization that can match AMORC's contributions to man's development globally?