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MetaPhysical:

what does 135(1)d mean sir?

Pataricatering:
U actually believe this ? LOL . I wonder where all these powers were when the British colonialists came to colonize us forcefully ? Mscheew .

Apart from the chauvinistic intention of emotionally tying the woman down to only a man,while he can go taste other fruits, there are stories supporting that ' jazz' dey o. Why they couldn't use it to fight colonization still baffles me. Our children may ask us too why couldn't we employ it to fight rogue politicians during our time. But if you ask me ,na who I go ask?

While in my teens , a swam of bees had visited and stayed put in my neighborhood sending fears and panics around. Several measures were employed to drive the bees away: petrol / kerosene on rag with fire, a heap of old newspaper set on fire etc thinking the heat and the smoke would irritate the bees to leave but all to no avail.

Then came a young man ,in his late twenties, who is reputed to be good in ' local knowledge'. While everyone stayed far away from the tree harboring the bees for fear of being stung, the young man while muttering some words went very close to the tree with angry bees around him ,but heaven alone knows what he told the bees and immediately they obeyed his command and left the neighborhood. It still baffles me how he did it.

tol4biz:
Any monies paid to become a member of AMORC?

Yes sir . You pay some token as dues annually or quarterly for the lessons you shall be receiving. Don't forget it is a school sir. Please check the website for the latest dues.

hmmm....

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
You cannot beat a child and tell him not to cry!!!

It's left for Rochas to learn his lesson so as not to be beaten again.

I think this child is the one berating himself ,crying and pointing accusing fingers at innocent folks. Pray tell didn't Oshiomole give the party structure in Imo back to Rochas when it had slipped from him in the twilight of Oyegun's tenure as party chairman ,and had begged him to choose anybody but not Nwosu based on toxic security reports and the reality in Imo? This ungrateful , would- have- been- president- post 2023, greedy Anayo has refused to learn from his costly mistake . He didn't only tamper with his reputation but a generation's. I doubt if he has learnt any lessons.

Cherrybae:
Bloody civilian

hahaha ....you heard your friend Wike trying to get a lawyer for Awara? We are going to expose him and Mamud. He has insincerely been begging for peace to trick APC but na lie.

CanadaOrBust:
Nobody is CERTAIN of anything. I’ve already told u that’s the nature of our reality - example, I’m not certain anything actually physically exists. Another example, it is possible Tupac, Biggie, Elvis, JFK are all still alive - people have sworn they encountered them. Masons were the last people with Morgan b4 he disappeared - NEVER to be heard from again.
I never linked HungerBAD’s death to anything, I only said RIP. As for wannabe cultish, how else would u describe a group that tries to have elements of a cult.

OK but your original post though.

CanadaOrBust:
U never can tell anything 4 sure. That’s the nature of our reality. We go by what is most likely. Just as it is most likely Masons murdered Morgan it is also most likely Freemasonry is a secretive wanna-be cultish group

Nobody is certain because there are a lot of controversies surrounding the Morgan story. And a distant 4th party should have sat on the fence observing rather than judging or linking HungerBad's death from leukaemia to his being a member of Masons. if you know the history of Masons, you would never call them wannabes. Neither HungerBad nor Winston Churchill would agree with you.

futurist369:
to answer this three questions:who am I? Who created me? What this life is all about?

That is cool sir. I think you need to visit : https://www.amorc.org.ng.

LoJ:
I do not belong to the LR.
I know very well they are two seperate entities. My initial question was, what is the AMORC perspective on them or at least what is yours.

Do you believe they have any merit? Are there similarities? Differences? Since both claim to be heirs of the same rosae cruxis tradition.

Honestly speaking, so far what I have shared here is what I can say about LR. Some other persons may have more information or perhaps, you may want to educate us as we are all open to learning.

Mariangeles:
What a frightening disaster!

If something like this happened in Naija, will we ever get back on our feet ?
These are some of the things we should be grateful for that we don't experience, including tsunamis, earthquakes, mudslides...

hmmm ....abeg ooo. Victims of BH never recover finish while officials dey steal their aids if this one come join our wahalas .... We are grateful indeed.

Explorers:
Tornado packing winds of 160 mph tore through a General Motors and Toyota auto dealership complex in Jefferson City, Missouri on Wednesday night, damaging or destroying at least 500 vehicles and leaving them piled in crumpled heaps across the massive lot.


This shocking footage has revealed the devastation caused by a monster tornado which ripped through Jefferson City in Missouri leaving a massive trail of destruction.

More than three people have been killed and hundreds homeless.



Carey Riley looks over damaged cars at a Toyota dealership he owns with his two brothers Thursday, May 23, 2019 after a tornado tore though Jefferson City, Missouri late Wednesday.







https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7062859/Shocking-drone-footage-reveals-extent-devastation-caused-monster-tornado.html

plenty coming to Naija ....

Explorers:
Trucks and mobile homes were destroyed in the savage winds that hit Jefferson City in Missouri yesterday.

O boy! What kind of mad wind is that? But been thinking, can this bad be converted to some good? Like what exactly? I don't know now but would continue thinking about it.

futurist369:
how can I become a member of amorc in Nigeria? Not just online member, but receive physical teaching.. I heard they have a center in calamari, but I stay in Lagos;do you know of any center in Lagos?

why do you want to join AMORC sir?

LoJ:
All the claims (or facts if you wish) you make about Amorc, LR adherents make them too. Can you specifically point out what is it about their teaching or approach that makes you original heir and others not?

I never said AMORC is a religious organisation. I have great respect for Amorc. I am saying you exhibit a religious approach to it, and it seems you do not see that.

But fair enough, if we can't talk approaches and ideologies, I have no desire to discuss how great a specific organization claims to be, which all other also claim anyways.

Bros , i think it is uncharitable of me to start comparing the principles of LR with AMORC's. I can only talk about Amorc . Maybe you can share your LR experiences too. I was only telling you they are two different entities. Amorc teaches a whole lot of subjects which may probably interest you.

PP.

CanadaOrBust:
How much do u have to know to deduce a group is a secretive cultish group. And of all groups why must that be the one u join.


The assassination of William Morgan

Morgan claimed to have been made a Master Mason while he was living in Canada

Since Masons place their hands on a Bible and promise not to reveal the passwords and grips of the degrees, several members of the Batavia lodge published an advertisement denouncing Morgan for breaking his word.

He was arrested on trumped-up charges. He disappeared soon after, and was believed to have been kidnapped and killed by Masons from western New York.

We are still mourning HungerBad- a good fellow. Would reply you maybe next week but that is not the whole story. How are you sure Morgan didn't run somewhere else, changed name, and had a new life? You never can tell.

CanadaOrBust:
Advising u not to make the same mistake he made. Right guy

Don't talk about things you don't know.

God bless the dead .

HungerBad , you came ,you saw ,and you conquered too soon. May your family and friends find succour in the hope that you gave others. And may you go back to God .

NgeneUkwenu:
So where is the "bicker" now? Daily Independent, Vanguard, This day and Tribune Newspapers are the most useless set of newsprint ever.

HungerBad, Hold The Bench, While We Prepare For Own Transit! Adieu, Comrade.

Jesus! Ngene, this is not true.

Jesus Christ! I taught it was a joke!

LoJ:
I have discussed with an adherent of the LR, he claims the same. That the tradition was transmitted and entrusted from way beyond the ages till them, through the gnostics, the cathares the manicheans the bogomiles the classical rosicrucians among others and then to them.

You also can't claim the tradition has remained the same over the years. Even within Amorc there has been some changes. Every movement evolves, evolution is part of this life.

Look I have nothing against Amorc nor do I hold any candle for the LR. I just don't like religious (segregationist) thinking of us vs them. Being rosicrucian does not imply one does not think like a religious person.

What I actually expected from this discussion is how the doctrines and approaches differ, since both movement claim to be heir of the same classical rose-croix...

and not the same usual " we are better, we are older we are the original" rhetorics.

You are making a mistake sir. You need to know that AMORC is not and has never been a religious or sectarian organization, and that there are channels, plans and modalities , and NOT claims please, for the present responsibilities to be transferred to the next cycle with specific instructions from generations to generations. How can a fraternal body of men and women studying the laws of nature with a global membership cutting across different religious ,social and racial classes suddenly become a wholely religious organization? Do you know this sectarian identity destroys one of the pillars on which the Order stands ? This is a fact . So many organizations do have and some claim to have affiliations with the classical rosea cruxis, no doubt. AMORC believes and preaches that no single organization holds the only key to truth.

AMORC traditions and principles despite different civilizations and human evolution have hardly changed . Yes the experiences of each generations present new ways,new solutions or discoveries which form part of the Order's store of knowledge. Even though the present language of expressing these principles may have changed, the principles remain the same.

LoJ:
I don't get your point.

Amorc was founded in 1914 and the LR was founded in 1924 that is 10 years later. Both claim to originate from the classical rosicrucian tradition. So what are you saying exactly?

AMORC is just a new name of an old order . The Order ,after about 104 years of inactivity based on tradition, had to go public again with a new manifestos for the new cycle in the early 1900 when Lewis was entrusted with the huge responsibility of staring its affairs in the New world. The Order had assumed different names at different times in history but the tradition and principles remain the same. I cannot say that for LR.

LoJ:
You are more or less implying that the LR is not authentic rosicrucian. I am ready to agree if you tell us what exactly is "original" rosicrucianism, and how AMORC is, and the LR is not.

By the way, I know very well that AMORC and LR have great differences. What I fail to understand is on what basis AMORCis "original" and the LR is not. Moreover, besides the LR and AMORC there are many other rosicrucian groups. Are they all "non authentic" but AMORC?

The Templars are not the crusaders, althought they worked together at some point.

The two are different entities. One is a school with no known founder and a long history of traditions while the other is a religious group with a known founder and a relatively recent history. They are two different entities. AMORC doesn't claim to be superior but has a duty to jealously guide its traditions.

LoJ:
@babacele budaatum fratermathy

Do you have any interest discussing the Templars? I believe at lot about western mysticism can be uncover once light is made about them. They may be the treasure hidden in the field.

After all, the topic says we can discuss any esoteric organization.

sorry this response is a bit late for I have a scanty information about them. Nonetheless, while I leave fratermathy to talk about the Crusaders, let me point out here that using the word ' Rosicrucian' doesn't make one a true Rosicrucian. AMORC is a global, mystical ,fraternal ,nonsectarian, and cosmopolitan school studying the sciences ,arts and applying the cosmic laws to prefer solutions to human challenges. Its principles are the old traditions of the original rosae crucis unbowed by time and whims, while LR is a gnostic religious body with its sectarian uniqueness which came into existence in early 1900.

budaatum:
Why would you "believe you did not understand the GWB", when I already said "I've been trying to find what you mean by GWB?" and "wondering if this is where you say GWB instead?" Aren't those two statements sufficient enough for you to upgrade your 'belief' to 'knowledge'? I guess I'm not of the view that the knowledge we speak of came from a great white brotherhood, unless you intend to exclude its non-white Egyptian, Arabic and Chinese inputs, so its meaning was not immediately obvious to me.

Lewis never made this gwb root mistake, nor was he "entrusted by the GWB with the responsibility to usher in the present spiritual era". He diligently sought and found, and "just like any other before or after him ... systematised his experience and training into a formal mystical order", thereby putting his lamp where it could be seen and in a way that it could be shown (as you to do LoJ with your very enlightening threads). And yes, a human tendency, though not necessarily a mistake since that's the only way to not hide it and teach it. If the same "systematised ... experience and training into a formal ...order" hadn't been done with the teachings of Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, Torah, it would be as little spread as the equally valuable teachings of Plato, Socrates, Lao-tzu, Confucius, Mencius, Emerson etc, which are unfortunately only learnt today as a special subject.

The receivers are the ones who make religions out of what they did not fully understand yet valued and kept alive so we get to know of it today. If they hadn't preached it, booked it, lamped it and screamed it from the rooftops iron would be our god. We must however note that they all only had a part of the elephant which Rosicruciansm attempts to make whole. It is still only a part.

Lewis more than anybody alive presently has written clearly about the erroneous claims being made about the GWB as a physical entity . No doubt that for lack of a better expression, the early mystics had probably used the GWB or GWL as a physical assembly of evolved adepts. Many principles did they permit the cosmic to flow through them which has formed the Rosicrucian ideals one of which presently is known as AMORC. There are others with different names.

There was a rich tradition that was entrusted to Lewis in the early 1900 to continue in the New World after some years of dormancy or away from public life . Earlier, certain Rosicrucians had left the Old world with the knowledge of the then Master Sir Francis Bacon in the late 1600 for America. So thus the rosicrucian traditions found its way to the New world. I think a further discussion later, on the history of AMORC would clear all seeming doubts on how Lewis was found worthy and entrusted to continue the wonderful school which today is known as AMORC .

@ budaatum,

If there are no persons who have been trained in the art of deciphering ,how could so many important documents,symbols, inscriptions or hieroglyphics been correctly interpreted?

The far east no doubt have evolved really good and have long documented history of their development which are well known to the mystics in the western world. In fact many of them maintained a close relationship or share the same principles or philosophies and influenced one another greatly. Egypt being strategic, no doubt, enjoyed this relationship through India. For instance, who would have thought that certain same documents, ciphers,symbols or artefacts are usually replicated and sent to different parts of the world through special emissaries for safekeeps? Until AMORC released some of the unknown information about the lives of Jesus the Christ, certain persons in the western world doubted He even existed ,and easily pointed at the so many gaps in the christain Bible stories to support their claims. Spencer Lewis had to reach out to many old Rosicrucian records, and libraries even in the far East to put that beautiful book " The Mystical Life of Jesus" together. And in it are revealed so many influences from the East.

Yes the pooling of the best ideas and cosmic philosophies together to help one another is the Rosicrucian ideal. As you had mentioned earlier, when did we know what we know? If we could put ourselves in the ancient Egypt with its many gods and the prevailing socio-political intrigues of the time,vis a vis Egypt influence on the Western Hemisphere long before any Torah or Bible or any of the Abrahamic religion came to being, one would appreciate Akhnaton's boldness of promoting monotheism at the risk of his own life.

budaatum:
Akhenaten only ruled for 17 years and didn't have enough time to institute much. He tried to shift his culture from Egypt's traditional religion, but the shifts were not widely accepted. After his death, his monuments were dismantled and hidden, his statues were destroyed, and his name excluded from the king lists. Traditional religious practice was gradually restored, and when some dozen years later rulers without clear rights of succession from the 18th Dynasty founded a new dynasty, they discredited Akhenaten and his immediate successors, referring to Akhenaten himself as "the enemy" or "that criminal" in archival records. He was all but lost from history until the discovery during the 19th century of the site of Akhetaten, the city he built and designed for the worship of Aten, at Amarna. ^Wiki
Also, Aten, or Atum, (1991–1778 BC) as I know it, predates Akhenaten (1351–1336 BC) by about 600 years.

I guess the point here is how we know what we know. Egypt itself suffered from what LoJ would have called 'hiding information'. The Egyptian priests considered their rites so holy that they did not initiate enough people to carry it on which resulted in them losing the ability to read their own hieroglyphs until it was deciphered in 1799 when Napoleon Bonaparte researchers found the Rosetta Stone which is a decree of Ptolemy V written in Greek, demotic and hieroglyphic writing.

I guess I can't argue that Napoleon Bonaparte researchers were not GWBs. But the information we now have was mostly deciphered from ancient text, and not deliberately handed down by invisible messengers, except thankfully through the art of writing, and neither was it only influenced by Egypt but also by

Mesopotamian civilization
Period: 3500 BC–500 BC
Original Location: Northeast by the Zagros mountains, southeast by the Arabian plateau
Current Location: Iraq, Syria, and Turkey

Indus Valley civilization
Period: 3300 BC–1900 BC
Original Location: Around the basin of the Indus river
Current Location: Northeast Afghanistan to Pakistan and northwest India

To name but two. And that's only according to what we know, which is a tiny fraction of what has actually happened, humans having been in existence for far longer (tens of thousands of years) than the earliest known civilisations (4000-6000 years at a stretch), who also contributed, and we are still mainly ignorant in the western world about ancient but not so distant China.

Modern-day culture and civilization owes a lot to the earliest civilizations that emerged after millions of years of human evolution. Human civilization has come a long way from an age when there were no defined means of communication and hunting was the primary source of food. Gradually, agriculture took over from foraging, animals were domesticated, societies were created and developed, and eventually led to the societies that we live in today. Each individual civilization listed here contributed in many ways: new inventions, new ideas, new cultures, philosophies, lifestyles, etc. From the very cradle of civilization to the modern day, what we have become is a result of all civilizations that came before.^source

Rosicrucian (gwb again!) is about pulling all this knowledge together in one place and disseminating it to all that seek, but even they do not have all the wisdom knowledge that has existed or that exists. China, India, etc, have similar 'schools', which over time Rosicrucianism has incorporated into its teachings (Buddhism, Daosim, Hinduism, to name three). In the 60s, it was mainly Egypt that was their fashion, and in the 17th Century, it was mainly Christianity, though ancient Greece, Roman ideas always permeated through the years.

Note this is all over the place! It's indicative of my own limited knowledge and ignorance. It's also what has made me a theist of the Christian Scripture. Mystically speaking, "God so loved the World" is the reason we have the Word. Alchemically speaking, it's not about believing the 'facts' but about transmuting our ignorance into that which is worthy with how we learn to be.

Very well sir. Several forces have been responsible for our present civilization. What we enjoy today are a metamorphosis of several cultures,ideals and ideas no doubt. But certain persons shape history by the boldness of their convictions: Akhnaton was such a leader. He became the channel through which silent truths in the minds of others hiding from the poison of ignorance became public. Knowing that he was faced by that eternal war between two principles- good and evil- he employed the law of secrecy to nurture the traditions which have survived time.

Shepherd00:
You called my Friend a lair then brought up your father making it seem like you are right and i'm wrong.

Baba, you want to proof that AMORC is harmless by posting some numbers without a name or more details about whose number those were.

Cele, if I'm wrong and you are right, then provide verifiable info about your ex-AMORC Dad.


It's established that there's nothing I will post here that you won't call it a lie. so, go on post yours Dad's so that wen I post my friend's, based on your Dad's the general public will know if I'm wrong or not.

You know what? I don't care, you choose your path, but keep Jesus of Nazareth out of your filthy darkness.

You made false allegations you cannot substantiate hence my using my dad as an ex member of AMORC with his Key number while you can't bring any evidence to support your claim. I said at no cost to you, I'm ready to sponsor a team to go verify your claim ,and come to expose it here on Nairaland for the world to see. Isn't that fair enough?

budaatum:
Apologies! I've found Baba's post on the subject, and if I'd seen it at the time I would have informed him that the knowledge of Rosicrucianism is not from some gwb. He mentioned "the days of Pharaoh Akhenaten", and he was not exactly 'white'.

But let me.


The knowledge you speak of is from way more sources than the two you mention here Baba. You'd be amazed what was written in Hindu philosophy as well as Buddhist and Jainist philosophy for instance, but like the River Niger, some things don't appear to exist until Mungo Park says they do.

Aside, if you both could, perhaps see my input here as adding to and not making out I know more than anybody else. I don't. But if we all contribute our small loaf and fish perhaps millions will be fed.

Don't forget that the civilization that influenced the whole western world dates far back to Egypt with her mystical ,scientific,commerce and administrative/ political prominence. There is no doubt that Akhnaton brought Monotheism, while being directed by the invisible masters whose messengers were present ,at the same time, in places all over the world. These places maintain the holy masters' instructions/ revelations or inspirations which are formed into special knowledge in a school like settings to guide the ready students . It respects no tribe,race,class or religion.
The GWB , if you would permit my insufficient language, has a pattern of ways of choosing messengers all over the world to continue the great work , and examples abound.

LoJ:
The real GWB is invisible and esoteric. Any exoteric GWB is purely man made. Even the expression GWB is not appropriate, we use it because men do not understand any truth without a concept and a denomination.

I see no reason to believe Lewis was particularly of the GWB (maybe you don't know the implication of it). If so were the case he would probably never have created amorc in the first place. There is no ascended being that will be at ease with creating another organization.

All those claims making him a kind of heir more or less, must be taken as all the claims for other movements attempting to make their founder a messiah: with a big pinch of salt.

I think you should reread my post again. What tradition does AMORC perpetuates? No where in my post did I say Lewis belonged to or headed the GWB but that he was entrusted ,as a worthy messenger, to continue publicly in America ,after some period of dormancy, the great work in form of a modern school which we call AMORC. Several places in different parts of the world under different identities this work was and is being carried out quietly too.

The truth is that for want of a name that the earthly man can comprehend was probably why the custodian of truth long in antiquity came up with the name- GWB . It could have been any other name.

Neither Lewis nor any AMORC member would deify him for we all have direct contact with the cosmic but can only be aided by teachers . He was just a tool in the hand of the cosmic to achieve a mission ,and the mission was fulfilled. Several masters long before Lewis have served at different times , and their works are well documented.

I think you shouldn't forget that AMORC is a school and NOT a religion.

Peace so profound.

Shepherd00:
You shd go back and read his post again.

Oh, they cooperated with Herod alright. Their mission was accomplished. They made Herod search from the books where the child should be born. What else were they to do?

You have no idea. Imagine you an Astrologer, is saying about Jesus because your lords visited him at birth?

Satan is crafty but we catch him. He has away of trying to twist everything to his side, but, he fails, woefully.


Jesus is God and God can never learn from men.

Enough said. Goodbye.

Mat.2:
1-12.
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem in Judea, during the
time of King Herod, Magi[ a ] from
the east came to Jerusalem 2 and
asked, “Where is the one who has
been born king of the Jews? We
saw his star when it rose and
have come to worship him.”
3 When King Herod heard this he
was disturbed, and all Jerusalem
with him. 4 When he had called
together all the people’s chief
priests and teachers of the law, he
asked them where the Messiah
was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in
Judea,” they replied, “for this is
what the prophet has written:
6
“‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land
of Judah,
are by no means least among the
rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will shepherd my people
Israel.’[ b]”
7 Then Herod called the Magi
secretly and found out from them
the exact time the star had
appeared. 8 He sent them to
Bethlehem and said, “Go and
search carefully for the child. As
soon as you find him, report to
me, so that I too may go and
worship him.”
9 After they had heard the king,
they went on their way, and the
star they had seen when it rose
went ahead of them until it
stopped over the place where the
child was. 10 When they saw the
star, they were overjoyed. 11 On
coming to the house, they saw the
child with his mother Mary, and
they bowed down and worshiped
him. Then they opened their
treasures and presented him with
gifts of gold, frankincense and
myrrh. 12 And having been
warned in a dream not to go back
to Herod, they returned to their
country by another route.

Shepherd00:
What is your Father's name? Give all the details for verification.

We are talking about your ' friend' . Suddenly you have developed cold feet.