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vaxx:
An atheist in the hiding somehow agree with the virgin birth of Jesus . Am sure he will not fight your opinion ""babacele"" since it seems we have different opinion on this topic.

if ordinary mortals can use certain vowel sounds to impreginate matter to create or cause certain phenomena beyond an everyday experience,is it the Most Intelligent God that won't be able to bring forth the manifestation of the logos through a Virgin? It may be beyond your comprehension.

vaxx:
i think i have passed my message and it clear enough.

I ask a question in the begining of this thread.(i ask that the op should provide the bibliography of this book) You can't claim something as a fact unless you have proof to back it up. Whatever you will be claiming is simply an
Opinion.

The point of a bibliography is simple. It is to make your readers aware of the sources you used throughout your work on a project. That means it must include all of the sources you used while researching the topic, whether you quoted from those sources or not. It must be important to include them.

I agree that the work acknowledge Rosicrucian archives as where the information rightly source out. But what make up these source is my question.


And with your last question..... I don't know, and will you kindly tell us.,


At best that open statement is an honest statement to tell readers and audience that "" They are own their own""

Democratic is giving people the opportunity of choice in a situation ,and that is what Lewis preemptively presented in his foreword or introduction wherein he did mention the sources or references he used in writing the book. It is doubtful if you have really encounter this book for you are so stucked in your uninformed perception of the work being without references despite the several references to Christian religious authorities, other sources , and nature's own endorsement years later through archaeological discoveries that corroborated Lewis claims.

vaxx:
The book already gave an initial doubt. ""Disregard it if you found it absolutely false""..

As a lover of history myself, one thing I have realised is- history is nethier objective nor completely subjective. Historians have their unique way of enticing readers. Actually I have read the book. You can doubt it if you can..

But I will suggest you should put these at the back of your mind

1.History is seldom black and white, it is mostly shades of grey..


2 .There is no such thing as an “unbiased” version of history. Every historian is biased which is inherent and because we are human. Only the extent of this bias might vary but apart from that, there is nothing called an unbiased version or neutral version of history.

Spencer recognise this at most and that is why he declared an apologetic massage at the introduction.

For being democratic about his dealings with his audience and potential readers who may have their previous knowledge about Christ's life scrutinized means being doubtful?
Lewis work is a beautiful research work that has exposed so many openly hidden references to Christ 'life even in the Bible and some historical documents.
Does Lewis look one who speculates? You have not intelligently truthfully faulted any of the claims therein which influences my doubting if you have read the book at all. So when the holy infant was taken to Egypt while hiding from Herod, do you know what records were kept for future sake?

vaxx:
Nobody hangs around obstetrics wards hoping to see a great person born - to comply with previously written prophecies. That this wasn't thought through is demonstrated by the two genealogies offered in the bible to prove descent from David - two completely different genealogies, both through Joseph who it is claimed is not the father. The death stories in the gospels are wildly inconsistent.

Some historians have attempted to piece the evidence together. Bart Ehrman has written a few books like "Did Jesus Exist? I have even used his works here" And while examining the historical evidence for Jesus. Ehrman's position is that Jesus existed which i also welcome. But in his virgin and resurrection position. I certainly disregard it and treat like a myth.

So I say there is no book or any other work be it Spencer or what that will be able to give you an objective view of "Jesus's" life. The only "book" that exists and which I recommend only is (The New Testament of the bible)and which was written by anonymous, third-hand parties at least 30 years after he is purported to have died.

All other works about Jesus's life are based on the New Testament of the bible.

It is obvious you have not read the book but wants to judge it.

There are dates,days and hours that special messengers of God or servants are born. And there are persons who are aware of and preparing for such visits hence proper records are kept and usually hidden from the public, about the life of such divine messengers.

vaxx:
Despite not being a Christian, i can sincerly tell you that Jesus existed and the bible is the only book from which you can form your own opinion.Why? It's simply logical that if you want to form an objective opinion about someone, the best place to start, is one resource you definitely cannot ignore is the book he or she claims is about himself. Reading other people's works or submissions about his person isn't forming an objective opinion, it's reading their opinions about him. At best, it's reading or accepting their opinion on what's objective about him.

The person of Jesus as most contentious issues (and in fact it is the most contentious issue there is) are really has no objective opinion out there because each author eventually takes a side no matter how objective he or she may try to be.. that is why Spencer already indicate that the book can be discarded. And even his book rely heavily on new testament. But it unfortunate bible is very silent about Jesus life(from 12 to 29 years).

Well the virgin birth and resurrection story is almost certainly a fabrication - as former Episcopalian bishop Shelby Spong points out.

Many indians historian claim Jesus description perfectly match a figure that exist during that time in India.

The virgin birth wasn't a fabrication and H Spencer Lewis being a trusted custodian of the largest, most informed body of knowledge in human development history, wrote extensively on other sons of God that came through the virgin birth.

There are many versions of the Bible in circulation with the king James version being most common. For your education, the bible is a book of books with more than 40 authors, and have passed through several reviews, additions and subtraction by the church fathers at different councils. And till this very moment a lot of reviews, synods ,researches, and debates are going on on Christian doctrines and the Bible .

Because the writers of the Bible didn't include about 25 or more years of Christ's life in the Bible passages means there are no reliable records about Him kept somewhere? This gap should evoke some questions in the mind of any thinker and student of the Christian faith.

The facts of Spencer Lewis exposition on this gap is not only backed by passages from the Bible, and certain Christian historical records, archeological discoveries years later have also lend their voices to the veracity of his facts.

mtcheew.

budaatum:
The author himself said "if you like, read am. If you no like, leave am", but you make it sound like I was selling the book! I know you are smarter than this LoJ!

Any way, here's a link to Spencer's [url=https://f5db1a33c5d48483c689-1033844f9683e62055e615f7d9cc8875.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/The%20Secret%20Doctrines%20of%20Jesus%20-%20H.%20Spencer%20Lewis.pdf]The Secret Doctrines of Jesus[/url]. Please, whatever you do, do not read it with the intention of believing! Spencer does not write with that intention.

hmmm. you just made my day! Been looking for the 'secret Doctrines' cos it was out of print.

Talking about the 'Mystical Life', Spencer Lewis wrote that awesome document ,cos it's more than a book, in response to critics and skeptics who Never believed Christ really existed. It was an opportunity to fill in all the essential gaps in the public life history of the most important person in Christianity which are clearly missing in the Bible. God himself must have sent Spencer Lewis.

...no be small thing o.

mike070:
@naika full breed thanks. But the problem is that I registered for d passport in Benin and I was told that for anything that has to do with correction of name I will have to go to Abuja office to do it. How feasible is that please??

I will ask someone in immig office and get back to you later today. cheers.

Glazers are too attached to united to detach even a bit. £850b ? chai!

SamoaUmaga:
Going tru d report:

Rail

Agriculture

IoCs


....


This Tolu Thinks he is writing fr Babies he must be feeling fly with this Junks , If a State Governor accomplishments are jst d listed above I' did score him E8, nt to speak of A President.

Its Satanic Hypocrisy to talk abt Corruption and mention PDP, Jesus this This Tolu Sucks. No need even going tru d Stats, Wen I See a Paid fr Writing wit Daft lies, I did cee it fr wat it is, Stupid Lies from Conscienceless Demons

Where are your facts , and truth?

gare:
Are these PMB achievements, you can see how foolish everyone of you are, why not share his achievements so we all can see and have a reason to vote him back.

if those ain't achievements, a deviation from the dirty past, then what do you call achievement?

jpphilips:
What is a foreign reserve?
What does it do for oil dependent economies?
How is it financed and utilized?

If you do not have the correct answers to these questions or you need Google to get a clue, my dear, you dont belong to this thread, you should be checking up on Davido & Chioma.

hahahahaha........Davido n Chioma indeed! Yeeeeee!

nero2face:
I wonder what would have become of our great nation if PDP had handled our democracy and election matters the way APC handle them today...

which PDP? The evil group that distributed dangerous war grade weapons, sorrow, tears and blood to rig 2003 elections which OBJ had tagged a " do or die affair"?

Which PDP? the nest of killers that polluted INEC to write false results and declare losers as winners until Tinubu called their bluffs in law courts and which outcome has saved the nation from brigandage?

Which PDP? abegi!

Upsidedown9ja:
Does it mean dangote money is safer in Nigeria than innocent. You people want to bring this man down because of his tribe abi. Special thunder will fire una one by one

did you really read the story? Do before commenting please for this perfidy goes beyond tribe, it results from some personal indiscipline .

Congrats bro, I had to fight the tears your story brought as I felt your sweet pains. May she be a blessing to her generation, and May God bless you with resources to nurture, Amen.

immhotep:
Just calm down and begin to Atikulate.
Reject sai-babarism with immediate effect.

if Obj is truly sincere ,love this nation, and influential as it seems, why can't he bring another Candidate , and sell him to Nigerians? Suddenly, after he has been boxed into a corner Atiku is the only option left for him. So he is back to PDP after all the curses,expletives and denigrations? What has changed? I tell you what has changed , those tribes of elite armed robbers are finding it difficult to do business as usual and 2019 ushers them into their political sepulchre hence all the swan songs.

immhotep:
Receive sense, my brother

let us enumerate the points he raised in that hogwash of a propaganda. That is what the same thieving click told us more than 30 years before that armed rubber from Minna n his gang took us back into ignomy. OBJ is wasting his time and health for we ain't leaving Buhari at this juncture. An OBJ who teargased Pmb ,n Okadigbo of blessed memory won't have tolerated a Buhari this far if he were the President. He should practice what he preaches ,and anything besides that is hypocrisy. Can't he support a Donald Duke? We go shock una.

immhotep:
2019 Election: Atiku is better than Buhari -Obasanjo

Watch from 3:48 . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5kNCWVimQ8

OBJ is talking nonsense. When did he realise that? Buhari is fantastic and I don't need a bellicose OBJ opinion about my thoughts about PMB.

immhotep:

story.

hmmm just last month , a berom man was telling me how it was only an Hausa friend that came to his rescue when 'his own' refused to loan him some money to execute a contract he got through the wife of Jona Jang.
I pray and look forward to a day when an Igbo raised in Jos would be trusted by Hausas, yorubas, tivs, Edos, igala, ipobs etc to lead this nation. And i shall witness the day by God's grace, amen.

Beremx:
My friend how are you doing? Longest time

I dey ma, how family?

immhotep:
Chief Jagaban Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu does not agree with you.

Time will tell.

Beremx:
Are you sure you're not Shehu Bello?


Anything is possible sha

Jack Bauer, forget Atiku in 2019. Let s go and prepare for Senator Okorocha 2023. simple.

johnwizey:
Yoruba's will say 'Eni ti sango ba toju e wole, laye ko je ba won bu oba koso'. All of una wey dey yarn rubbish, I pity una. Make una go steal and commit a crime and make dem use sango find am, den you will know weather it's bullshit or not

hmmm there is much to Africa. There are 2 events that still baffle the hell outta me:
First, thieves who had stolen from a popular market in Benin city returned all the stolen stuffs when they heard that ' Ayelala' -a diety common among Ondo and Edo people was to be invoked.

Second, a guy had stolen a bunch of bananas , he had used a sharp knife to cut off the bunch. When the owner came, he was so pained that he started some curses and incantations and pronounced that may the thief be cut down by the same weapon used in stealing the banana. Few days later ,the thief was stabbed to death by that same sharp knife.

I dey fear Africa o! But why can't we use such power to make a politician tar all the roads in Nigeria?

johnwizey:
Yoruba's will say 'Eni ti sango ba toju e wole, laye ko je ba won bu oba koso'. All of una wey dey yarn rubbish, I pity una. Make una go steal and commit a crime and make dem use sango find am, den you will know weather it's bullshit or not

hmmm

johnydon22:
In order words, Jesus died for an allegory?

You don't understand. That story , who witnessed it?And it has been in Egypt long before the birth of Moses who supposedly wrote the Genesis. It is an attempt at explaining why there is pain in the world. so don't just go there.

Jesus coming is revolutionary democracy reconnecting us to God's original laws/plan which never changes despite religious claims or a saner way of life which is better than all the Christian religious philosophies before it.

NgeneUkwenu:
I don't have much friends up north. But the few ones I have both online and offline, none even wants to hear the name Atiku let alone voting him.

February no to far again.

Please it is FeBuhari not February. take note. lols.