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Please don't let any of your siblings study any of the aforementioned courses in this era, they are better rewriting JAMB or learning digital skills than going to higher institution to waste time and resources, and if by mistake you allow them study any of these outdated generic courses, then prepare to support them with learning trade or starting a small scale business after graduation.



Some courses ought to be scraped in Nigeria. NUC/NBTE and Ministry of Education ought to revisit our tertiary education curriculum and remove a lot of outdated courses from there and replace them with current trends that can produce graduates that will solve current global challenges.

Very very accurate

Reflect7:
YOU ARE A LIAR FROM HELL.

https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Benin_Imperial_Army_(Principia_Moderni_IV_Map_Game)

Benin conquered most territories BEFORE it encountered the Portuguese, NOT after.

The Portuguese only got there around 1500, over 400 years after the Benin empire was established!

So how the hell did Portuguese weapons account for most of Benin's wars?

Are you even aware that the Benin Empire manufactured guns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin

And no. Oba Esigie NEVER converted to christianity!

That's a pure lie!



THAT'S A PURE LIE. Troops of the colonial armies were recruited from already conquered territories.



You take a bit of bad news from the past as your evidence that ''there's no proof Africa would have been better off without colonialism'', which just shows your inferiority complex.

But there are NUMEROUS examples of African capacity and ingenuity that prove that Africa WOULD have been been off without colonialism.

You just choose to ignore them while focusing on the negative, as if negative things only happened in Africa!

This is a VILLAGE far outside Benin city.

It was drawn by British visitor, Mary Evans in 1836.

This was a full 61 years before the British invasion of the Benin kingdom in 1897.

AND 78 years before 'Nigeria' was born (in 1914).

https://www.prints-online.com/p/164/benin-village-scene-4359826.jpg

Benin Village Scene, 1836
Village scene in Benin - a high-ranking citizen with his attendants

Source: Wall Art and Photo Gifts from Mary Evans Picture Library

https://www.prints-online.com/benin-village-scene-4359826.html

As you can see, we had multi-storey buildings, with sophisticated roofing and ventilation systems in VILLAGES before the colonial era.

Yet we have this image that they all lived in muds huts with thatched roofs.

WHY?

We have been seriously miseducated about our past.

It looks even better than many parts of our country today.

Who knows how far ahead we would have been today absent of colonial invasion and disruption of our civilisation?

If our villages looked like this nearly 200 years ago, how might they have looked TODAY, without European invasion?

Maybe like WAKANDA!

This is why we say that colonialism did not bring civilisation to Nigeria.

It took away our civilisation, and replaced it wIth vagabondism!

Oba esigie converted to Christianity, OK tell me who built the holy arousa Benin church? Infact one of his sons was sent to train as a priest,even itsekiri kings converted to Christianity and took up Portuguese names,

Truly Benin expansion started before their encounter with the Europeans.

But despite this,The European canon saved Benin from being crushed by the igala( they raised a large army comprising idomas,jukun and ebiras).

You do not take into consideration the 16 years war the Yoruba fought amongst themselves, that they had to call whites to settle for them,this war almost completely destroyed Yoruba existence.

You do not take into account the devastating destruction the Nupe under Fulani kings brought to the Middlebelt almost down to Benin,infact the British had to invade Bida to put a stop to these wars.

You are the one cherry picking only few good aspects of African society as if it was all Uhuru.

Don't forget the devastation of the dahomey against Abeokuta,infact it was still British aided supply of weapons that prevented Abeokuta to fall to the dahomey and be sold as slaves wholescale.

Reflect7:
That is called Arbitrage, even if it were true. That’s very different from established trade networks between manufacturers and consumers and vice versa.



Erm…. That’s what happens when your land comes under colonial domination. Your soldiers become THEIR soldiers.



It’s not about “hating whites”, you naive person.

It’s about identifying when whitey becomes your enemy and a threat to your collective civilisation.

Benin did not do anything different from a gazillion empires of the past who sought military assistance from their allies to defeat their enemies.

Plus the Benin kings, who were fiercely independent, rejected Portuguese blackmail that they should turn Christian in order to get military help, and they still went on to defeat their enemies with their own weapons.



Good. So get rid of your emotional attachment to white colonialists.

It's a lie,Benin used European made weapons in most of its major wars ,and Benin would have been invaded and captured especially by the igala save for its European canons,oba esigie converted to Christianity and built the holy arousa church because of guns.

The black men the whites used to prosecute their wars were hired, this happened prior to any British invasions of any of today's Nigerian tribes.

what these tells you is that many blacks were very willing to work for the British against their fellow blacks.

The Aro confederacy in Igbo land,were an entity that particularly enslaved their fellow igbos for money,it was the British that destroyed their grip on the igbos freeing the igbos from the aro tyranny.

People like you only study one sided history,if you study history dispassionately you'll discover Africa was not Uhuru before the whiteman, neither was it with the whiteman, so in summary there's no proof Africa would have been better off without colonialism

Reflect7:
The whites did NOT “facilitate internal African trade with their ships”.

Why the hell would they do that?

To make life better for Africans?

What the hell is wrong with you?

It’s like you don’t want to accept they were your ENEMIES.

They came here and mass murdered your people and you are here talking jazz.

Do you know Europeans burned down and bombarded over 100 African cities?

You are very naïve regarding what they did here.

Plus Africans HAD SHIP BUILDING TECHNOLOGY.

In fact Africans PIONEERED seafaring.

How else do you think every other continent was populated?

You don’t know that every race of people are descended from ancient African settlers?

Africans explored the world thousands of years before Europeans did, and by the 1700s, many African regions had little use for seafaring when the Europeans, pressed by poverty, began seafaring and making guns to go and loot other lands.

When Christopher Columbus, the man who supposedly discovered America, got there, he saw black Africans already trading there and living among the native Americans.

They had arrived centuries earlier in their ships from places like Senegal and Mali.

Gosh ,you are just emotional, you not talking facts or reality.

There are available records and always traditional and researched history by locals that the Europeans indeed facilitated trade.

Eg,the Europeans bought Benin and ijebu made cloths, and sold in Congo amongst other things.

You also seem to not acknowledge that the white armies that did the black city destruction were composed majorly by other blacks.( in Nigeria particularly the Hausa and to a smaller extent the Yoruba).

Whether Africans pioneered sea faring or not evidence shows that atleast by the time of the European encounter they had lost it.

Do you know that the Portuguese fought along with your great Benin to attack other african cities.

Infact if not for the European canons Benin would have fallen from an igala invasion.
So essentially your great Benin was earlier saved by the the whites you love to hate.

We must be factual and logical not emotional

Reflect7:
You have been miseducated.

If you had “devastating wars” in your town or village before the British invaded, it doesn’t apply to everywhere or most places in Nigeria.

Most places were PEACEFUL, and communities had long standing conflict resolution mechanisms to prevent anarchy.

Plus if warfare is a reason to colonise other societies, Europeans should have been the prime candidates for colonisation, even as recently as the last century, where they slaughtered over 100 million of themselves in the two white tribal wars they deceptively called “world wars”.

And the British destroyed and burned down our cities and towns, such as Great Benin City, which was described as being among the best planned and most beautiful cities on Earth in the 1600s, complete with palm oil-fuelled streetlights, underground drainage, and multi-storey buildings and public monuments.

A city where the Portuguese visitors reported that people did not build front doors to their houses because theft was unheard of!

Can you say that about anywhere in Nigeria today, with your British-influenced country?

Do you dare to build a house without a gate and barbed wired high fence, and windows with iron bars?

The Benin empire exchanged ambassadors with Portugal in the 1500s, traded with numerous countries in Europe and beyond, so this idea that we needed England in order to have a ‘development template’ is FALSE.

The problem with your narrative is that you choose to see thing from one perspective.

Benin city had suffered serious decline by the time of the British invasions, from local traditional history, Benin city were embroiled in several devastating civil wars before 1897 that seriously declined the economy and glory of Benin city.

Infact they had to resume trade with whites and started selling slaves which they had hitherto banned in order to recoup their economy.

Again is was not all rosy for Africans.

The Yoruba were in serious civil wars and invited the whites willingly to settle themselves.

The Hausa had been enslaved by the Fulani,

It wasn't all Uhuru for Africans.

Yes ,colonialism was wrong but my point is there's no proof that Africa would have been better off without colonialism, the evidence even tells otherwise.

Again the so called template of development you keep talking about is a white Western template, which the whole world uses now.

Even Japan and China use the white Western template

Reflect7:
Why is it so hard for you people to understand what COLONIALISM means?

A colonialist power is in your country to BENEFIT HIS COUNTRY, not yours.

He is there to LOOT your resources for the express purpose of ENRICHING his country.

He is not there to build your country.

Quite the opposite.

If the British were not looters and thieves, Nigeria would have been a developed country like South Africa by the 1940s at least.

The only reason South Africa is developed today is that the white colonisers regarded it as THEIR country, and so instead of siphoning 95% of annual export earnings from the natural resources like gold, diamonds etc, as happened in other colonies, they reinvested the export earnings in the country and built its infrastructure, industries, etc.

In Nigeria and elsewhere, the opposite was the case, which was why at independence, Nigeria was a big, fat BUSH that still requires basic infrastructure built even 60 years after they left.

Because they did nothing but loot.

And to imagine that that was gonna change if they had stayed longer, just shows deep naivety on your part.

What 99% of you don’t know is that we had our technology and trade networks before the European invasion.

The area known as Nigeria today was a major centre of soap, textile, and glass manufacturing, and Portugal had to ban the importation of Nigerian-manufactured soap in the 1850s in order to protect their fledgling soap manufacturing industry.

An Englishman commented in the 1860s that textiles mass produced in western Nigeria were of a higher quality than what Manchester, then the centre of the English textile industry, had to offer.

Intra-African trade was at a very high level, and Igbos traded with the Ashantis and Congolese, while Yorubas traded with lands as far as Mali and Nubia.

The colonialists DISRUPTED this intra-African commerce and turned their colonies into cash crop producers for export to Europe.

That was what destroyed the African economy and led to mass poverty among a people who were very prosperous prior to colonial invasion.

Today, the intra African free trade agenda of the AU, ECOWAS etc is all about rebuilding those destroyed networks and end African poverty, and it is succeeding, and will lead to African prosperity.

Asking to be ‘recolonised’ by Europeans is a function of an ignorant, brainwashed condition, and is truly pitiful.

Nobody is asking for recolonisation, I know AFRICA had internal trade networks,and production and technology.

Everything shouldn't be blamed on the whites
The whites also helped facilitate even internal African trade with their ships.

it wasn't all rosy with Africans
Africans encouraged SLAVERY and
there were also devastating wars that destroyed African economies.

Unlike the whites they didn't have ship building technology and gun technology to invade far off lands to recoup their economy.

Infact on thing that enabled colonialisation was many African tribes eagerness to trade with the whites and acquire European products.

When you talk about years the whites stay as colonialist,you must understand that the didn't have the whole area under their grip at once,they spent several years pacifying different areas and quelling rebellion, before trying to build a political structure and development template,there needed to be a learning curve which took half of the time they acted as rulers.

South Africa was different because they settled in south Africa for several centuries unlike other areas especially West Africa.

In south Africa they were essentially ruling themselves not the blacks for a long time.

Reflect7:
Why is it so hard for you people to understand what COLONIALISM means?

A colonialist power is in your country to BENEFIT HIS COUNTRY, not yours.

He is there to LOOT your resources for the express purpose of ENRICHING his country.

He is not there to build your country.

Quite the opposite.

If the British were not looters and thieves, Nigeria would have been a developed country like South Africa by the 1940s at least.

The only reason South Africa is developed today is that the white colonisers regarded it as THEIR country, and so instead of siphoning 95% of annual export earnings from the natural resources like gold, diamonds etc, as happened in other colonies, they reinvested the export earnings in the country and built its infrastructure, industries, etc.

In Nigeria and elsewhere, the opposite was the case, which was why at independence, Nigeria was a big, fat BUSH that still requires basic infrastructure built even 60 years after they left.

Because they did nothing but loot.

And to imagine that that was gonna change if they had stayed longer, just shows deep naivety on your part.

I understand, my point is,this development we talking about it was also whites that provided the template.

Before colonialism, many tribes were destroying each other.
Eg the Nupe were in constant invasions against my town,we were embroiled in devastating wars,the whites actually put a stop to it,we must be humble enough to acknowledge this fact.

The whites also brought the Western style education, Medicare, technology, that greatly improved living, again we must acknowledge this.

The whites even made a lot of communities and tribes rich through trade.infact many communities willingly signed of their sovereignty eg the efik in Calabar.

Truly,it is a fact that they looted and did not develop much.

But indeed development was gradual,
After all after 60years of independence, there's still massive underdevelopment in Nigeria,

There's still alot to be done,the indigenous rulers have also developed the country slowly and gradually.

Africans should learn to be factual, and be humble enough to acknowledge that the Whites did alot of good too.

This people are tyrants,this is tyrannical rule,they just impose any policy not minding the crushing effect on the population.

This is nothing but tyranny

nairalanda1:
This is not quite true

1.Yoruba land was weakened by a civil war, that's why the british found it easy to take over

2.Igbo land was not a unified entitiy...there was no one central leadership, and no one ruler...result they lost to the british.

3.Hausa and fulani were united, but at the end they lost to technology.

4.IN short it was the Maxim that was the great equalizer. Not subversience.

5.There are hausa speakers in Sudan...those were people who migrated away from Kano because they did not want to live under the British.

Exactly what am saying,the Yoruba were busy engrossed in civil wars,and called on the whites to intervene severally, they literally handed their sovereignty to the whiteman on their own,the igbos could not pose any threats,the anioma a subgroup minority fought the whites almost to stalemate, the ijaws of nembe fought the whites,the idoma etc,but the major tribes couldn't pull more effort against the whites

Reflect7:
OH SHUT UP.....

Without AFRICANS coming to power in the 1960s, YOU WOULD BE AN ILLITERATE RURAL PEASANT.

In 1960, literacy rate for Nigeria was 7%, after an uninterrupted 70 years of colonial rule and looting of our resources.

Today, after barely 60 years of independence, literacy rate is around 70%, courtesy of indigenous govt's investment in thousands of public schools.

IS THAT NOT PROGRESS?

Today you can decide you want to move to UK or Canada, and are sure you will do well there. Why? Because a ''visionless black nation full of wickedness and greed'' educated you and exposed you.

Could your farm-stuck, illiterate grandparents under British colonial rule do that?

Did they know what an airport was or where Canada was?

Do you want to compare the infrastructure we have today with what we had in 1960?

In 1960 everywhere was bush. Cars were only for the super rich, and there was no single power station. Malnutrition was rife.

The problem with most of you is that you have ZERO FCKING IDEA how terrible life was on this land before independence.

That's why you wake up every day talking RUBBISH instead of taking stock of the PROGRESS you've made, and be inspired to do more.

Development was gradual,these things might have happened eventually with white rule,the issues are that the major tribes that populate AFRICA and in a specific case NIGERIA have very weak subservient approach to the world.

This always puts Africa in danger,check history most of the tribes that fought hard white invasions were mostly the smaller groups called minorities.

The major tribes loved to parley and stay subservient to whites

chopnaira:
Oba of Benin called himself som of Oranmiyan, since he descended from Oranmiyan. Or is Oranmiyan an Ibo man?

Try to seperate the Oba of Benin (Royal) from the Ogiamen/Ogiso (original Bini people), then maybe you will be able to think properly.

Na una business

PulaPower:
The oba was the one that said it himself..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-q_F2zch8M?si=e6yfz-uGrRaJbPZE

The video is not complete ogbeni,people don sabi pass all these Yoruba propaganda

They major black tribes,in Nigerias case the Hausa,Yoruba and Igbo are useless big for nothing tribes

The major tribes of Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo ruined Nigeria with their evil ways

If Benin was an historically insignificant kingdom will all the Yorubas say oba of Benin is Yoruba?

Onogiede:
out of point as usual,..the said road was federal government project before? Doing it is a big deal,.. stink to the topic instead.

Am on the topic,

Am highlighting that the FG intervenes in many states but hardly in kogi state

Languages of the majority tribes should be discarded,they are big for nothing

Residents of Edo State have commended President Bola Tinubu for the movement of men and equipment to the deplorable Benin-Auchi-Okene road for rehabilitation, saying that the road was being reconstructed by Federal Government and not the local government area in the state.

Exactly what I was trying to highlite, this is FG intervention in Edo

Everyone and their mama is always quick to condescend kogi state,as the worst state in Nigeria.

Many say lokoja is the worst state capital in Nigeria.

The line they always use is that, " just drive through kogi state you will see poverty"

Except for the state of roads which a lot of them are federal roads,there's no significant difference between kogi state and most states in Nigeria, except that the capital lokoja is small.The part of lokoja most people drive through that looks particularly shabby is the outskirts mostly populated by Hausa settlers,this confuses people to think that is how the whole state looks like.

Another significant factor many do not consider is that kogi state hasn't historically had very prominent politicians ( not the loud mouths) that have occupied significant positions in Nigeria. I mean Benue had David mark for 9years as senate President.

How many prominent ministers have been from kogi state? Over the years that could have influenced federal government intervention in the state?

Many states are enjoying significant intervention by federal government. Eg the abuja- markudi road,loko- oweto bridge etc.

The okene- lokoja- Abuja road was abandoned by FG for many years.

Furthermore, many states enjoy global agencies intervention eg world bank intervention and NGO intervention and private companies. They all prefer to do such in core northern states or in the south.
There's hardly any of such in kogi.

Consider how a man like Peter obi donated millions to many northern states.
There's hardly such donations in kogi.

Despite all these Kogi state ranks high in many HDIs in Nigeria and manage to maintain relative security.

I do not exonerate successive governors and representatives of the state.

But sincerely kogi state is really neglected in Nigeria yet people turn around to mock it at every turn.

This is the fundamental truth,there are some innate slave tribes in Nigeria.

This is evident in the chinese gate saga and the Indian school saga.

A country were foreigners debarr and restrict movement of locals depicts this truth.

The slave tribes are actually the major tribes.

Minority tribes need to realise this fundamental truth

YoshihideSuga:
Nigerians are so tribalistic to accuse others of racism.

Both are not mutually exclusive, no foreigner under any guise should discriminate in your home country, if it's in their country it's a different thing.

Nigerian major tribes are dumb as fck

This is wat I was saying.

I have realised why many black tribes were thoroughly and massively enslaved.

They are naive to a fault.

They got no core or backbone

Liberal piece of dung tribes

chopnaira:
Where is babasolution from Kogi state. Na to open tribal thread he Sabi. Look at your governor. He has robbed the state blind to outtaspace

Yahaya Bello wasn't elected by kogi people

It's not about enrolling in the Indian school that is the big issue,the symbolism of an exclusive school for Indians in a blackman country says alot but people don't understand these things

CheapHomes1:
you are still going round in circles. i really dont know how the issue of majority tribes or market came into the discussion. who granted them the license to operate? did the school just start operating yesterday?

Why can't you understand simple statements,yes the government granted the license probably, but what I am saying is that the government is playing a dangerous game,the fact that the school as been operating doesn't make it right,no one knows the damage that it as caused already,grooming pupils that though live in Nigeria ,might be antagonist to Nigeria.

The Nigerian government always operate in a way dangerous to its citizens, and unfortunately the majority tribes people,who elect and supports successive wicked governments have a very loose and weak sense of self pride that reinforces black African destruction.

SEGLIZ:
I just tire, see the way guys dey flex muscle for nairaland dey argue blindly, to think these people are grad of higher institutions dey give hbp.
the more reasons we have we having unreasonable leaders, being elected by senseless followers, what if these countries intervene to say those establishments are extension of their diplomatic mission?
the only thing I see here is inferiority complex and envy on the part of Nigerians. what on Earth do I need from a Chinese supermarket or restaurant (na lizard remain wey I want chop? I never understand Yoruba finish, I never learn Hausa and Igbo language na Indian come remain wey I wan speak?).
Nigerians get problem nobi small one.

It's not about discrimination, such things shouldn't be allowed in Nigeria, you cannot have exclusive things for foreigners on your soil,if they disband blacks from entering a place in their own country that's a different ball game

CheapHomes1:
you said that they must be forced to imbibe Nigerian culture and I asked how should they be forced. you didnt address that. its not a question of license should not be granted because the license ahs been granted already. who granted them the license to operate? did the school just start operating yesterday?

What I mean is that such licences shouldn't have been granted in the first place,such schls shouldn't be allowed to operate.

They should be forced to imbibe Nigerian culture in the sense that they shouldn't be allowed exclusive space,were they can shop at exclusive markets, live in exclusive areas and attend exclusive schools.

Majority tribes Nigerians always allow foreigners to mess them up in their own backyards.

udomonday:
you lack understanding,if a Nigerian language school was established in India,would you expect the Indians to be eager to attend it?.so why should Nigerians bother about a school that teaches in Indian language?

A Nigerian language school will not be allowed to be set up in India that's the point

CheapHomes1:
why must they be forced? who granted the school license to operate in Lagos? is it just yesterday the school started operating?

That's what I'm saying, such licences shouldn't be granted.

Nigerians are being restricted all over the country by foreigners, it's the same way Fulani were left to their own devices in the bush for many centuries and are a nuisance and a pain to Nigerians,

Nigerian major tribes are incredibly docile lots ,just loudmouths

gigabyte13:
What are you saying, wrong as in
Is your state ministry of education not aware....??
Wertin concern you concern Indian schools if no be say bad belle dey worry you.
Na your money Dem take dey pay their children school fees....?
What exactly is you people's problem

The signal it sends is very dangerous, children raised in that setting will grow up with biased mind against Nigerians despite gaining from Nigeria.

They must be forced to even imbibe Nigerian culture, that's how it's done everywhere.

It's a dangerous setting to allow such a trend in Nigeria.

Nigerians mumu gan

udomonday:
why should it be shut down?is it by force to attend an Indian school,do you expect Indians to attend a school that teaches in Igbo or Yoruba language in India?as,long as they are operating within the law,they are good to go.

Which schools legally teaches only with Igbo or Yoruba language, is it possible in Nigeria.

How can it be possible to have a normal primary or secondary school teaching solely in a foreign language that is not recognised as official language in Nigeria.

That's a form of treason.

Nigerians mumu I swear