₦airaland Forum

You think hamas didn't expect this?

Israel has permanently damaged it's reputation worldwide.

It will never be normal for Israel Again.

They will have to deal with this mess as long as they exist

I just saw a thread on ABA, how the government is trying to construct abandoned roads.What I saw is cringy,the reconstructed roads only have functional signifance aside that it made no difference to the development of the city,the city still looks as bad as it always was,this goes for every other city in Nigeria, including Lagos. Except Abuja.

Despite efforts by some governors to reconstruct roads and bridges, it feels like pouring water into a basket.

Most state capitals were totally unplanned,and allowed to be dilapidated severely.
even the former nations capital Lagos was unplanned and is now beyond repair especially the mainland.

This goes with my gross with the older generation who watched and oversaw the gradual disintegration and dilapidation of these cities.

Nigerian cities are gone,they are too dilapidated to be repaired, all the major cities especially in the south and Middlebelt are gone except Abuja,they are in such dysfunctional state they are at best upgraded slums.

All Nigerian cities are so full of shacks,dirts,stenchy open gutters,old buildings etc.

It's so messy it can't be recovered,its like trying to beautify a dumbsite.

Instead of wasting billions on useless roads and bridges, these monies should be used instead on the gradual development of new capital cities in Nigeria that will be planned from inception,otherwise Nigeria will remain a ugly mess forever.

Prigidypogodo:
sweetheart nobody is stopping you dear
Infact it's even advisable so that there'll be competition.
An average Igbo trader is not scared of competition and will always figure out strategies to beat his competitors.
trust me if cement license is made public today, it'll fall to 2k or less because an average igbo man will enter the business and bring it down through competition.
An igbo man won't mind selling cost price just to retain a customer then with time start putting profits gradually to the buyer and before the buyer knows this, they're already hoodwinked with the seller.
you'll be wondering why they're patronizing only him.
some will say na juju but na strategy.
come to any igbo dominated market, there's something we call lines.
you'll see more than 100 shops selling the same thing in serial but trust me an average trader in that line has their customers and makes huge sales daily irrespective that they're all selling same thing.
till today most people don't understand how igbos pull this off.
it's not arrogance but tactics.
so sweetheart other tribes are free to enter trade but don't cry when the competition becomes stiff oo.
you wan follow igbo man compete for business?
i ga etikwa anya m anya m oo

You can be defeated in trade,what is working for you is your population,while the other populous tribes like the Yorubas are not competent in trade,their are many minority tribes that will give igbos are run for their money.

Adaisback:
who is holding you back? Come to south east, your women are hawking agbo up and down. Stop whining and join them. At least , that will be starting from somewhere

I mentioned Igbo trade because the igbos are fund of deriding all other tribes in Nigeria, u have this false sense of arrogance, like you better than everyone else,there's nothing special about the igbos,and you can be defeated in trade.

colossus91:
I think it's 22 years boss was in jss 2 Wen this project started I left uni in 2015

No,the project started mainly in 2011 ,it's about 12 years now

Front0lane:
Tell me two trade Igbo monopolize aside Okrika spare part n fan yogo.

Seeems you haven't been to alaba international or tradefair

This road as been on for over 12 years,while this particular section as been on for atleast 5 years now

Tokshadeen:
Nice job Sanwo.

Once the road to this axis is being completed, it will become densely populated.

It seems you don't know the area,it's already very densely populated

I am a neutral guy,many people on here think am anti- SW but no am neutral.
I have no regard for the big 3 .

Now,it has come to my notice that the igbos who are traders in many regions living peacefully and earning their livelihood from patronage of other regions and tribe have grown this blatant arrogance, and are fund of castigating other tribes forgetting that a lot of their prosperity rest on other tribes including foreign countries.

What if other tribes go into big time trade like the igbos,afterall many of our ancestors where actually traders in the past.

The monopolisation of trade by the igbos is making them arrogant

This derision against other tribes online must stop,limit your banter to your banter mates the Yoruba

It's the ikwerre that claim Benin not Benin claiming ikwerre,direct your question to ikwerre

truthhurtsnaira:
Black people are the only people living a life far and and opposite of their ancestors… That why the red wigs wearing girls and Hennessy drinking guys are easy targets for racism and discrimination worldwide…

Dancing all on social media, even the poor Uganda kids shaking their nyash on dirt roads…. Really?
Bad governments, greed and jealousy, and trending here to their.

See Ampiano dances… have you watched the dances with mute on….. they look like FOOLS….

Anyway we are our own problems

Lol,guy u wicked

nairalanda1:
Education in government run schools and healthcare in government run hosptial facilites, as well as your road transport (that's why you don't have toll gates).

A good percentage of people do not attend public run schools especially recently,
How many roads were built?
The lekki toll they collected,what was it used for? No evidence it was judiciously used,as there was no expansion or maintainance on the road for years.
the investment in those sectors by governments is even generally low compared to say what they invest in national assembly.

Why can't for example the so called hajj subsidy of 90 billion not be poured into such public facilities.

There's likely to be another 90billion for christain pilgrimage. Is that not simply poor management

In the past they invested well in those sectors and there's been multiple opportunities to create alternatives which they didn't,

nairalanda1:
And the government doesn't have money because it still spends ton subsidising, which drives away the free market, which would make us more money if allowed to do so.

And then we have a poor tax to gdp ratio

SO, loans.

Most nigerians believe in taxes.




And the owners would just simply share the money, and decieve themselves by building large buildings . They want to be like Dubai, not like Japan, china or germany or even the USA.

And it would be the same old cycle again.

(Note that it does not mean I disagree with resource control).





And for the most part the government controls the resources. Even with resource control, the regional government would control the resources...which is what most people want. Still socialism.

We have to give up our love for cheap things first, then we can talk.

Please mention the things government subsidises apart from previously fuel and electricity?

wirinet:
Most nigerians also believe that the people (workers) should set the price of labour (wages) also, but what do we have? Government setting a salary structure, a structure that is at variance with prices of commodities - ie petrol, electricity, food, medicine, etc.

Most Nigerians also believe that the natural resources of the country should be controlled by the owners instead of a central government who appropriate all to itself and distributed as it deems fit.

It seems you fo not understand the meaning of socialism and capitalism. It has to do more with who control of the countries resources between the prople and the government, and the distribution of such resources.

Thank you for explaining to the guy,He is doing the usual things ,blame the people for the elite failures

nairalanda1:
Nope, boils down to people like you and most nigerians preferring socialism, to industrialization and the free market.

You putting the cart before the horse,
Industrialisation and free market ,
Were over the years refineries couldn't work
Ajaokuta steel couldn't be completed
No power
Poor roads and rail

Look these things are not rocket science
There's no commitment from the colonial GENERATION to make these things work.

90billion for hajj,there's simply no excuse for that.

Nigerians like to make simple things complicated,

I was watching a programming on security operations in USA, in a particular case,they did manual thorough labour intensive work in their security process to catch a particular criminal, over here people will start giving excuses of how we lack advanced technology to carry out such operations, when even in US they were using good old manual analog process.

You don't always need advanced economic processes to get a country to work.

You can do the good old management and priority allocation of resources econs 101 to do a lot of good works.

Nigerias case is simply misplacement of priorities and failure by over religious inclination of the colonial GENERATION elites.

The prioritise religion over everything

It boils down to one thing only,they are evil people

nairalanda1:
1. Well, development comes from letting the free market do it's thing and also promoting the industrial development and the export of manufactured goods and services

2. Your leaders chose excessive subsides and welfarist policies which you like because at the end we have a large poor population that needed uplifting

3. It worked but it also did not work. As a result we have a heavily indebted economy

4. And yes stealing is happening because most of our money does not come from tax. If it came from tax, people would be incentivise to hold their government accountable. Instead it comes from resources and as such no incentive

5. There really isn't enough money. We should be earning 300 billion or more dollars per annum. Not the measly 50 billion we earn . And the stealing that happens makes it worse.


Oga, you really should read comments instead of making assumptions

It all boils down to the old colonial GENERATION and their stupid ways

nairalanda1:
Well

1.Government does subsidise electricity. It's not something I support(because in return discos cannot charge above the cost of production and make a profit, meaning the mess in the sector results), but they do subsidise electricity.

2.People should pay for their hajj or christian pilgrimage, not govenrment. Government hajj subsides have and always have been a waste of money.

But you'll say there's no money for development, that's goes my point that the colonial GENERATION due to their over religious disposition have misplaced priorities choosing to develop religions over other more important sectors.

Where did they get the money from,if there's no money? Even if they borrowed why will they borrow to fund religion? The colonial GENERATION are ruining Nigeria

Ynix:
Sarkin Yaji some historical narrative shows that he was a Berber while some referred to him coming from Bagdad, present day Iraq. That doesn't interest me much. My question has been Why is it that despite that a major part of Northern are Hausas and yet have their over 400 different Languages.

That means the attribution of their being Hausa is because they speak Hausa, it's one thing to be able to speak a language it is another thing to belong to an ethnicity.

Hausa is spoken in Ghana, Cote D Voire, Eritrea and about 12 other countries does that make them Hausas. The answer should be no.

It's just mere unifying of the people which was carefully packaged and established by the Conquerors of the People and further instituted by the Colonial Masters for the purpose of Control

What am saying is that, there's bound to be native Hausa tribe,probably even if their tribe is smaller than it is portrayed,there's got to be a native Hausa tribe.there cannot be a language without its native speakers, just like Latin was native to the Romans but was spoken at a time in virtually all of Europe. There are native Hausa's but they might not be as large as people claim.

As for sarkin yaji ,according most historical accounts he learnt Islam from Algerian Berber traders,therefore he was most likely a native ,so the claim that he was a foreigner is highly unlikely.

nairalanda1:
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Well, if subsides work, they would have let our power sector and refineries work, won't they.

Obvoiusly they are not working.

Also, subsides fuel corruption...because they involve something called free money.




They do production subsides, not price controls, and pay subsidy to cover the resulting loss (which we do here, and said subsidy does not cover the losses resultant).






Yes, because when you run an government whose sources of revenue are from what raw material we sell, and with a mandate to 'share the revenue' corruption naturally results. Because he or she who is closer to the sharing will benefit more than end user.

Whereas if most of our income was from taxes...people would be incentivsed to keep an eye on how their money is spent, and the government won't do wuru wuru...because any stepping out of line, and kasala go burst for their head.

Allowing a free market provides the disposable income for things like taxes to be paid.




Well, some churchpeople do so, some do not. Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

90bn for hajj subsidies, but they should tax and tax and tax,they have 90bn for hajj but not for electricity

Ynix:
What you are saying doesn't add up at all, okay for example I know of the Bayajidda Legend and the narrative of the Hausa Bakwai
They aren't referred to as Hausas originally but Hausa speakers:
That is
Daura
Kano
Katsina
Zaria (Zazzau/Zegzeg)
Gobir
Rano
Hadejia (Biram)


Also we know of Hausa Banza meaning Hausa Bastard or Illegitimate States based on the fact that they called them their slaves, this includes;

Zamfara
Kebbi
Yauri
Gwari
Kwararafa
Nupe

The historical narrative doesn't add up at all, my fact finding made me realize that it was created solely for the purpose of control and nothing more. The Fulani updating the Oral Myth passed from Generation to generation.

The Question is this how come Nupe are considered to be Hausas when they don't speak Hausa, how come Gwari are considered as Hausas when they don't speak Hausa.
Bauchi alone as a State has 78 different languages.

I remember coming in contact with a Young Man, a native of Katsina who told me he isn't an Hausa neither a Fulani and I was shocked.

I repeat again Hausa is just a language spoken even in Sudan and Eritrea nothing more than that. The only sad part of it is that many northerners have lost their ethnicity and originality to the invasion of the Berbers who came in to establish the Hausa and Fulani kingdom

So which tribe is sarkin yaji from,who institutionalised islam in Kano in the 14th century? Was he a Berber?,how can there be a language and no tribe native to that language?

The states you called are like any other large tribe in Nigeria such as the Yoruba or Igbo with different sections ,people must understand that a tribe doesn't have to be from one ancestor.

The Hausa and Fulani are one and the same,the hausa- Fulani tribe have become one entity,albeit the ruling class of the hausa-fulani tribe as more Fulani heritage

nairalanda1:
Well, that's why you won't see development.

The sad thing is things cost money. At the end all developed countries, religion or no, are propelled by the free market


Stop blaming religion or the lack thereof by the way


By the way, a production subsidy is paid to a company to reduce production cost. We don't do that here. We force the power and petrol sector to sell at a loss and then a subsidy is paid to cover the loss without taking into account the rising production costs and by extension cost of subsidies

A production subsidy would have involved government giving cash or grants to a working refinery or power station. Doesn't happen here.


And by the way it is the colonial generation that you hate that are responsible for subsides. Infact they even subsidized more than we do today. They stopped because it worsened our debt. And because we ran out of money.

It cost money but they have 12billion dollars to be spent on the power sector in Obasanjo tenure which was stolen.

There no money but they spend billions for rice palliative

There's no money but they spend lavishly buying cars for legislators.

Abeg bros una dey deceive una self's

gammarays:
You should rather blame the people at the top for the u development.
When the head is spoilt, every other parts are affected

Who told you the older generation developed only churches?
Compare what we had then to what we have now

What we had then was developed by the founding fathers GENERATION, the colonial GENERATION ruined Every thing.

Note: things gradually and progessively get destroyed not at once, they gradually ruined everything except religion

nairalanda1:
And their subsides are mainly production subsides which are paid for by tax revenue and which are different from the consumption subsides we practice here.

The problem with consumption subsides is simple. They can't cover for the cost of production and actual sale price difference. Result is massive issues with industries and whole sectors.

Oh and Nigerian subsides are not funded by tax. Mostly from oil money and loans . And they tend to breed more and more loans.

You really don't like the free market

Tax on what exactly, what amenities does the government provide that they will collect tax for?

Subsidy in Nigeria is mainly on fuel or electricity which are energy( production subsidies)

What else do they subsidize,
Where are the refineries, why did they ruin it
Where is electricity

Everything cannot be privatised

Babalegba:
Excuses, excuses. My neighbor is a high ranking policeman who taught his children well.
A few months ago his son an undergraduate came home driving a 12 million naira car. A huge furore ensued. He certainly did not copy Yahoo Yahoo from his father.
A disciplined and controlled man gets things done because excuses never ends. Nigerian youths lack discipline and control. Did they learn cultism from their parents. In the old days, cultism was about joviality and drinking palm wine. It is now about violence.

What made Yahoo Yahoo to thrive in the first place,it was the corrupt standards the older generation created and the ruination of a nation that they produced

Babalegba:
Excuses, excuses. My neighbor is a high ranking policeman who taught his children well.
A few months ago his son an undergraduate came home driving a 12 million naira car. A huge furore ensued. He certainly did not copy Yahoo Yahoo from his father.
A disciplined and controlled man gets things done because excuses never ends. Nigerian youths lack discipline and control. Did they learn cultism from their parents. In the old days, cultism was about joviality and drinking palm wine. It is now about violence.

The old days cultism was about joviality and drinking cos times were good,the poverty that generation created created the violent cultism.

You guys really don't know how times have changed,you don't know how good things were for the older generation which they later ruined

ShoeGetSize:
So you claim to be critiquing religion in general, but chose the church as the title of your hopelessly deranged tirade.

The Church that doesn't and has never run Nigeria is responsible for the incompetence of Nigerian leaders even under a Muslim Muslim administration.

There are many things I can say, but all I will say is that it is hard to navigate life as a fool.

It's weird how much obsessed these atheists and their MUDSLIME allies are with Christian money in the form of tithes. As if they think it will go to them if Christians stop paying tithes😂

Am critiquing the older generation not religion

BreconHills:
The next generation will say the same thing to you. Those who forget history will repeat it.

That is why I am highlighting this so as to alert this generation

nairalanda1:
Well, you did blame the 'CHURCH' so...


Who in many ways built a lot of modern Nigeria.



Tell that to the few elderly atheists I knew from that generation, plus many of them did not know 'religion' alone, they know a lot of stuff.



Well, I did include south korea and china. And the USSR, so where is the USA story

Plus, the point is, accept that profit needs to be made, and you will get a working nation. Man loves making money, and governments who cotton onto that tend to run more developed nations than others.

Of course, they are not perfect, (China, South korea, US and co have high levels of poverty), but they work.

Nigeria...we haven't accepted that things cost money. Here we are.




Well, the whites don't get much sense...otherwise most communist countries which were white run won't have collapsed.

The thing is, the prosperous white countries are those who run on 1) free markets 2) efficent tax collection 3) rule of law.

We all can do that here, but because it means a period of hardship (as seen in Spain which spent ten to fifteen years of hardship after bringing in the free market before they saw the benefits)...we don't want to do it.

White people pay their power bills, at the price the sector sets, which is why they have power to make more money. We choose to believe in socialism, and incurr a debt and a wrecked power sector to make things equitable. Like them white people who ran the USSR...





Projection much? I just pointed out that the older generation made a mistake by choosing welfarism over free markets...which is why our country does not work

Better read people's comments old chap.





Exceptfor universites, a lot of schools, a lot of industries, and a lot of roads, etc, etc...which they also ruined by not practicing free market,and by not making the tax system work. Instead, socialism, and sharing the money, which needs far more money than we had...hence loans, and more economic ruin.

NIgeria does not want to do free market because it means more suffering. But the socialist way is currently wrecking our economy. APC right now is doing that nonsense to our economy




Because people like you don't think that we should

I have called for removal of subsides on petrol and subsides on power on this site. 90% of the comments I get in response are abusive, calling me a tinubu supproter, and I also have people who troll me for a while in order to get a rise out of me and get me banned from this site.

We only have a partial free market because the government does not have the kind of money for total socialism.




Well, i haven't made excuses for them, have I.?

PROJECTION is a vice you seem to have.

Most countries run on subsidising so many things,not only NIGERIA.

gammarays:
Religion has nothing to do with development but the people in it

The most developed countries in the world are religious abi na Christianity make your leaders dey embezzle money? 🙄🙄

The church runs the most organized institutions in Nigeria ranging from schools to hospitals yet your government can't manage theirs despite the billions allocated 🙄🙄

Since Christians or religious people are the problem of Nigeria, Atheists should be the solution nah but no
Atheists in Nigeria are only effective in talking and not productive like their western counterparts

My basic point is that the older generation has developed only the church as against any other thing in Nigeria, am not against the church but the foolishness of the older generation

Lightman300:
Yes, it is the CHURCH.

And your post is not about the CHURCH.

It's the church that uses it pulpits and platforms to encourage it congregants to go villages in the sahel regions and
the afforested south and seize their lands and butcher innocent villagers in their farmlands in various Benue enclaves.

It is the CHURCH that encourages its followers to kidnap and rape women, while disembowelling others in the back waters of Jos.

It is the CHURCH gave money to it adherents and told them to enter the church in owo, in Akure and massacred innocent worshippers.

It's in the name of the church that Leah Sharibu was kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery.

The best schools across our landscape are built by jihadists.

It is the CHURCH that that ensured the quota system is enshrined into our academic process.

It is the CHURCH that mandate that politicians not only blindly loot our treasuries, but wickedly go over the seas to invest the said loot.

It is the CHURCH that handicapped our productive capacity, and thereby making us the most import dependent country in the globe.

It is the CHURCH that gave refinery licence to various companies, but turned back and watched as the said companies never built a single refinery except the government propped Dangote.

It's the CHURCH that continually hoard the dollars and made sure artificial scarcity bite the nation severely.

It's the CHURCH that made sure that its marauders beleaguered blue chip companies with high cost of production and forced them to exit our shores for other friendly countries.

Give me more!

I've always known it's the fault of the church.

Oh foolish Galatians who has bewitched you to think thus?

You lack comprehension