₦airaland Forum

flokii:
Igbos don't have any stronghold anywhere in Lagos.. most of the houses and mansions you see them building would be demolished when the time comes.

Every state has a master plan.. where you can build and where you can't The fact that you've neglected your home states to go and congest another state doesn't mean you won't leave when the real owners want to sanitize their land. Keep allowing miscreants sell lands to chop your money, don't go and develop your region.
Wisdom they say is profitable to lead, but same isnt the case for you lots.

Look at FCT now and check the demolitions going on.. nobody will compensate you when you lose everything.

You don't know what you saying,your government will use your tax to pay igbos compensation. Better write this down

flokii:
Igbos don't have any stronghold anywhere in Lagos.. most of the houses and mansions you see them building would be demolished when the time comes.

Every state has a master plan.. where you can build and where you can't The fact that you've neglected your home states to go and congest another state doesn't mean you won't leave when the real owners want to sanitize their land. Keep allowing miscreants sell lands to chop your money, don't go and develop your region.
Wisdom they say is profitable to lead, but same isnt the case for you lots.

Look at FCT now and check the demolitions going on.. nobody will compensate you when you lose everything.

Guy,they done Mk their money,those people have mansions at home too,when they finish with una dey will go home.

Na Yoruba go suffer demolishing when time comes,una never sabi

APCHaram:
Go back home.

Stop dragging Lagos with the Yorubas.

This is madness.

Nobody is dragging your yeast with you.

Go back to your yeast and develop it and remain thee.

LAGOS is FCT,go back to Oshogbo,as long as one Nigeria remains, Lagos is FCT

FreeStuffsNG:
Do you even know the meaning of Amudo Odofin? There is no part of Lagos that is ever neglected. Go to Alausa ro see what you think is new.
That area has been opened as far back as the 70s from Festac to Jakande estate to Lagos Ferry station to LASU to LASCOED etc.

You don't understand my guy,there were many jungles in the area,even as at 2000s,the area I was living was virtually a bush ,the place is now a highbrow area now filled with majority igbos

I am not Igbo but from kogi

I have noticed many Nigerians do not really know the Igbo aside from the few they see in their localities or those that sometimes travel to the east.

Those in Lagos also do not know them as their major base in Lagos is in the amuwo-odofin, Ojo areas.Which many lagosians I have come to realise do not visit as it is in the outskirts of Lagos.

I came to this area in the early 2000s,back then it was a scanty backwater area,only fg built Festac and satellite were in the area

The area was a bush.

Forward 22years later. The whole area is filled with mansions and businesses dominated almost entirely by igbos.

The area as expanded beyond recognition and it's one of the most developed area of Lagos despite government neglect.

The area is probably another lekki in disguise.

I realise many lagosians aren't familiar with this area also.

I tell you I have seen what gradual progress and development is like with the igbos in this area.

I have lived with them,they aren't perfect and have their issues just like any other tribe.

But i have really seen what the igbos are capable of.

It's unfortunate their region as fallen into chaos now.However that is not a valid reason to dismiss them as the north is in more choas yet people are considering a Fulani to Fulani transition.

Visit amuwo-odofin and Ojo you will realise what the igbos can do if you know what the area was like in the 90s.

Note: the area as long been neglected by successive Lagos governments until recently under sanwoolu.

I have not seen any other community that as achieved this much in Lagos under two decades virtually on their own.

This performance ability is what NIG highly needs now,not a mele mele(lackadaisical) presidency.

We need performance, I think the igbos can do it.Nigerians really need to consider this.

I hàve observed many people love to disparage the igbos,like I saw a thread of ABA being a slum.

Many people do not know the true wealth of the igbos considering their near destruction during the civil war,it's a top notch performance

I can tell you if you want to name any slum dwellers in NIG, count the Igbo out.

The igbos are proud and stubborn, but it's high time we had a president with pride,gutso and backbone to raise Nigeria level in the comity of nations.

Nigeria don big pass all these slave mentality Presidents

scholes0:
Oga, I haven't even said Ogori are Yoruba, I am only disputing your spurious claim that Ogori are either of Idomoid or Edoid... which are both VERY false, Why are you typing a letter? .
When did you live in Benin? During the time of the Edo sky skings from Ife or during our second dynasty of Owomika (Eweka)?

Oga am only saying what I read in the book,which is that ogori language according to the book is idomoid( because according to the book,ogori lived with idoma people the longest than any other tribe in Nigeria,and ogori people have links to Edo,cos ogori according to the book migrated from ife,passed through other Yoruba towns eg ilesha and owo,then settled in Edo for quite a while before moving on to the idoma area which they settled the longest for about 200years,they later then had to move they then moved back West,settled in various places including ajaokuta area before finally settling in ogori area,the magongo even have a different journey story.

However,the summary of the whole thing is that ogori has a deeper history than just been over simplified to being a Yoruba descendant subgroup, which many ogorians and magongo people say themselves

scholes0:
Says all we need to know.
Kakanda re remnant of Ogori.
What Nigerians don''t know is that the fact that an elder/chief or even king says something, or that someone publushed something in a book doesn't make it factually or historically accurate. Even false narratives grow with people's age.

Btw: Since you are retorting that I am not from Ogori, do you want me to bring you what REAL OGORI PEOPLE on ground are saying?

Yes you can bring what ogori people on ground are saying.

The prof probably is a linguistics prof,he didn't just write stuff,he knew what he was saying,by the say his own postulations is even the closest to Yoruba origin of ogori,there are other books by other ogori profs who outrightly dispute any Yoruba links to ogori,like the book from prof oshiedu and another one which I have forgotten his name.

These are profs that probably researched the topic.

The book provided facts and evidences to back up its claim.

The Yoruba origin story is mostly moonlight tale no much concrete facts to back it up.
Though the book postulated that ogori is direct from ife,it stated that ogori metamorphosed to a unique tribe after its very long journeys and stay faraway from yorubaland.

The links with Yoruba are only at the earliest stages,not different from say itsheriki link with Yoruba.

Like the itsekiri, the ogori became a unique of its own,even more distinct than the itsekiri because ogori lived with the Edo and idoma people for very long time.

Also note the even within the Yoruba itself,they have disputing origin stories so we can't just rely on any oral unresearched story by elders in ogori.

There were many things in that history of ogori book that were shocking to me,i also used to believe the supposed undoubted link of ogori to Yoruba until I read that book.

There are other surprising things in the book eg of the fact that ogori was once far larger than ebira,and ogori even originally owns most of ebiraland.

Whether it's true or not ,it's worth considering,
All am saying is that the ogori are deeper than simply a Yoruba subtribe that many ogorians even refer themselves as.

It goes deeper than that if you are willing to look

scholes0:
I repeat, Oko is not Idomoid. It is not closer to Idoma than Benin is to Igbo. If you are claiming oko is a 'combination' of several languages, then it basically becomes a creole.

If you insist otherwise, show us a construction of proto-Idoma and proto-oko and show us the parallels that makes it any more closer to one another than Yoruba is to Igbo.


I am not the one 'thinking' it. Ogori is not Edoid because it simply isn't. It is not Edoid by any measure. Not cultural, not linguistic, not material. Not even oral history which can be as wild as the imaginative depth of the human mind.
Now back to you, how is it Edoid?


How do you mean by this though? what layman observation? On a first time visit to Ogori.. there is nothing about the place that makes one think they are in a culturally distinct zone from Yorubaland (facts)


If the Ogori people themselves (who are very much Yoruba-ish to me) continue to claim Ife and Yoruba links, then how are they more Edoid? or even Idoma? Even on this very thread, ogori people have confirmed it.. You on the other hand keep saying something else.

Am telling you I have read history and origin books of ogori written by ogori profs,the one I remember correctly is the one by prof Akerejola, the former "king" of ogori,he explained that ogori lived with idoma for over 200years,he also explained that the ogori lived with lived in benin too for a long while after living ife it's from there he postulated they crossed the river into the igala- idoma region and settled,he also explained that there are remnants of ogori who migrated to nasarawa and other parts of kogi eg kakanda,theres even a part of ogori called ENI who are even said to be pure benin origin,this is from an ologori himself,not my words, ogori culture is very very distinct from Yoruba ,so is the language,they only adopted a lot of yoruba culture,likewise many akokoedo people,who also speak yoruba fluently,also many akoko edo peoples have similar culture to ogori,you probably aren't from ogori if not you'll understand.

scholes0:
There is nothing Edoid about Ogori.
Neither is it Nupoid or Idomoid... I don't know how you guys interprete what y'all read.

The Oko-Eni-Osayen language that the Ogori people speak is an independent branch of N-O-I (Nupe-Oko-Idomoid) languages of Volta-Niger.
Meaning that it is as close to Idoma as Yoruba is as close to Edo or igbo.

You are wrong,have books,oko is grouped along idoma,also the ogori lived with idoma for centuries according to a book written by an ogori prof.It as a relationship with idoma but it's not idoma,it's a combination of several languages idoma being a major one.

Also ,why do you think ogori-magongo is non edoid.

Ogori even by basic layman observation doesn't look yoruboid,it's more similar to Edo culture and systems.

GENES11S:
Now I understand your point. Though, there are still dots that needs to be connected.

Because I understand Idoma to some extent, and in no way does it relate with Ogori/magongo dialect.

My belief (from reading this book and from stories my grandmother told me) is that just like the people of Israelites traveled for years b4 arriving their final destination, the Ogori/Magongo people might have had similar journey.

Picking up people of different tribes and tongues along their journey to form a tribe of their own.

Exactly, ogori-magongo is a tribe of its own,the tendency to group us with Yoruba ,in my opinion is flawed,ogori is a distinct tribe.

From the book I read,ogori was even larger than ebira in the past and even owned the ebiraland at a point,the ebira used to pay tribute to the ogori,but there was a war that decimated ogori and made us a very small tribe today.

Also, some Akoko-edo tribes eg ekpe, and make me etc from the book are originally ogori, they branched out for several reasons

Jogs1900:
They are in other regions fine but they are not many like easterners....Most Yorubas are comfortable in their regions because the standard of living in the south west is the highest in Nigeria....When Yorubas leave their region, you see them travelling out to sensible countries... Countries that have better standard of living not shithole countries.

There are nearly as much Yorubas in other regions as easterners,just that Lagos which is a melting pot of all regions, is geographically in the southwest,so Easterners are ajudged to move more,they are as many Hausa's in southwest as easterners, the easterners are not doing as bad as you guys Mk it look.

I have seen Yorubas many in yenegoa,some even doing meshayi n suya,you'll be shocked but it's true,even in nasarawa there are Yorubas who have become indigenes, they work in the civil service of nasarawa, they are only not as visible cos they are not traders like Igbo who are very visible

Jogs1900:
Where is the link to Ekiti owing it's teachers for months?But look at it critically, how will a sensible government owe it's medical doctors for a whole 25 months and it's still counting?

Google is there,it occurred under fayose,the issue is that yorubà is not as developed as they think,they are at par with every other region,Lagos just gives them a faux pass superiority

GENES11S:
The only one I know is the one explained in this post.


Logically, if you speak a language and bear names originating from the language, it means you have had contact with people who speak that language.

True,ogori may have had contact but not necessarily originating from Yoruba as widely claimed even by ogori/magongo people.

Ogori language, oko is grouped with idoma and Nupe,it is said to be idomoid,and prof akerejola wrote in his history of ogori book than ogori lived with idoma for up to 200years.

Ogori is a distinct tribe,but my hypothesis is that we are more edoid than yoruboid

GENES11S:
We are not ebira.

Ogori Magongo is a border town, so we share border with ebira speaking towns.
So most of them and our people intermarry and settle as one.
Same can be said of some tribes from Edo state, they share borther with us and are very close to us.
Don't even get me started with Kwara state, which we were initially part of before the creation of Kogi state. Even now, there are still traces of Ogori and Magongo in Kwara state.

So we are not Ebira, we are Ogori/Magongo. We are a tribe of our own. Yes, we do have Yoruba ancestry which is evident from most of our surnames.

Do you know the real story behind the Yoruba ancestry,cos I seriously doubt the Yoruba ancestry of ogori/magongo,even Akoko-edo have Yoruba surnames

Jogs1900:
See if Lagos is not going to be beneficial to the whites, they won't have made it the capital city...Do you think during slave trade,the whites didn't reject some slaves that were offered to them...If you can't fit into the plans of the white,they won't come close to you.. Whatever they built in Lagos is in Kaduna too..If you don't know the one Nigeria we practice in Nigeria is affecting the progress wheel of South west.Can you imagine Abia state is owing it's medical doctors 25 months salary....This can never happen in the south west.. Tell me what is left there if the government can't provide his citizens with security and health facilities....These are reasons why your people are japaing to other regions to enjoy good life

Am not an easterner,Yorubas are in many other regions too

Jogs1900:
See if Lagos is not going to be beneficial to the whites, they won't have made it the capital city...Do you think during slave trade,the whites didn't reject some slaves that were offered to them...If you can't fit into the plans of the white,they won't come close to you.. Whatever they built in Lagos is in Kaduna too..If you don't know the one Nigeria we practice in Nigeria is affecting the progress wheel of South west.Can you imagine Abia state is owing it's medical doctors 25 months salary....This can never happen in the south west.. Tell me what is left there if the government can't provide his citizens with security and health facilities....These are reasons why your people are japaing to other regions to enjoy good life

Ekiti state owed it's teachers for months,southwest leadership isn't significantly better than other regions

yemmit90:
It was result of early development. When those building were constructed, some Nigeria cities in other regions today were probably still living in core villages with no single sign of civilization. Old building at cities centre are sign of early development or civilization, it is just unfortunate that SW don't have visionary leaders who are bold enough to destroy those buildings and replace them with something better.

Meanwhile, i will agree with you that many south west cities are full of old buldings at city center but that doesn't mean they don't have many developed areas within the same cities. Besides, many SW state are very big in land mass, there are alot of beautiful places within the same cities/states that if concentrated in one place like most state are doing, they would've probably rated as best cities in Nigeria.

Let me use Ibadan as example, the city centre is nothing to write home about, a lot of old buildings and poor planning roads network, but if you drive around the city, you will think it not the same city.

True, that's part of what am saying,SW should remodel and beautify those old areas of it's cities,those places need to be fixed,they are many and are a eyesore, it will really uplift the image of the southwest

The Yoruba have no beautiful city.

Jogs1900:
You list them... Moreover let me shock you..There's no federal government project you mentioned in Lagos that is not in Kaduna state.Lagos has been built by the Yorubas already and doing very well before the British made it capital city.

You're lieing,mention what and what the Yorubas built in lagos? The british owned lagos since 1860,before the British made it capital,

Jogs1900:
Lagos is south east then.....Tell me if there are Ijebus, Aworis and Egun that are indigenous to the east...Do you know that Awka can be compared to Jere in Kaduna and Ile ife in Osun state...Soon you will say Mowe, Ibafo too was former fct....If your region is okay, you won't be leaving in droves to other regions to enjoy the infrastructures their government put in place...The way Lagos has federal projects is the way other states have federal projects too..Lagos as a capital was limited to only 2 lga of Lagos island and Lagos mainland...Thats where you will see Federal government projects.Outside those two local government area, no federal projects.

It's a lie,Festac was built by federal government, satellite town,Apapa largely too,lots of federal projects in amuwo-odofin and Ojo.These attracted alot of other private projects too

Sammy07:
Jogs1900, really tried by engaging you.
I saw your comment about enugu I just laughed

Nnsuka wey go compare to Owo, or Ikirun is what you are hyping?

Have been to owo,ikurun,there's nothing there,and not just talking about Enugu or southeast,southwest is not as developed as even the north,visit Bauchi city you go shock,Abeokuta as nothing on bauchi

Jogs1900:
Lagos is south east then.....Tell me if there are Ijebus, Aworis and Egun that are indigenous to the east...Do you know that Awka can be compared to Jere in Kaduna and Ile ife in Osun state...Soon you will say Mowe, Ibafo too was former fct....If your region is okay, you won't be leaving in droves to other regions to enjoy the infrastructures their government put in place...The way Lagos has federal projects is the way other states have federal projects too..Lagos as a capital was limited to only 2 lga of Lagos island and Lagos mainland...Thats where you will see Federal government projects.Outside those two local government area, no federal projects.

You are living in alt reality,Mk una dey deceive unaselves,am okun from kogi by the way

Jogs1900:
I won't argue with you but can you tell us the infrastructures your government put in place in Mbaise that will make people not to leave Mbasie cos as far as I know security is zero in Mbasie

Southwesterners don't want to learn,their region is supposed to be the most highly developed region in Nigeria, but it isn't, osogbo,Akure can be compared to lokoja,Makurdi.

Southwest are punching far below their weight but they don't want to admit this.

LAGOS is not southwest,Lagos is former FCT

LILTJAY1:
Not developed but igbos die in motor accident alot why attempting to run here

This is not about igbos

Jogs1900:
In Enugu state, Bayelsa state, Imo state, mention any other city besides the capital city...Let's start from there.

No difference between a nsukka and oyo or Ogbomosho, no difference BTW an orlu and ijebu ode,no diff between an ABA and Sango ota

Aside Lagos a former capital of NIG. There's no southern state than is more developed than any northern state.This unreality, this myth should be stopped now.

All these world bank,IMF projections and data stating otherwise are intended for primordial purposes attract funds to their NGOs.

The south is even poorer than the north considering that NIG sustains on southern resources yet it's equally or more deprived.

There's nothing good in terms of infrastructure or human capital that you can't find in all northern states.

You can equally find as much southern beggers as northerners.

You can equally find as much southern scavengers as northerners.

The south needs reality check.

Southern people especially the men are just lazy mf's.

Jogs1900:
I think what you don't understand is that the south west states development is beyond the state capital hence why u think south west is not developed...They spread it to other areas...In Nigeria standards ,south western states do have other cities the government do develop simultaneously...For example in Ogun state, asides the state capital, there are other cities like Sagamu, sango OTA, ijebu ode, ago iwoye, ijebu Igbo,ilaro whereas in Enugu, it's only Enugu town that development is centred on even Nsukka is being neglected by the state government.

That's not the reason,in the south south,there are other cities apart from the capital,Edo as other developing towns,same with delta and akwaibom,even the East and Middlebelt. That argument is flawed.

Southwest cities aren't beautiful, because attention is not played to orderliness and organisation,and the rusty old buildings are just too much

Sammy07:
Lol, you saw rusty roofs and concluded southwest isn't developed.

Probably you people no dey build house.

Anyways what is developments to you?

Development is modern buildings and infrastructure period

If truth be told,banter aside the south east and south south states ,even the northern states are more beautiful than the southwest states.

This is the reality,even Ibadan and abeokuta though developed is not as beautiful as most northern states.

The southwest have very rustic cities
I think the southwest should look into remodeling and beautification of its cities

Kaduna as been remodelled and upgraded, kano has been remodelled.

Less popular cities like Bauchi are far more beautiful than southwestern cities.

What is wrong with southern Nigeria, is it the governments or people?

joyandfaith:
Just like many southerners including Tinubu ganged up against a southerner in 2015.

Yes,you southerners are MUMU,Yoruba and Igbo alike

MrEverest:
Why blame Northern Muslims over what Yoruba Muslims are also guilty of?

Most Yoruba Muslims are supporting Tinubu despite knowing he is brain dead and extremely corrupt.

Please advise your brothers first before accusing Northerners.

This train of thought is the reason why the south is dominated,always wanting to seek to focus on the little things,wanting to crush your people for flimsy reasons,instead of overlooking some things and going for the big fish,this micromanagement of your selves is what is killing you mumu Southerners