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IslamRe: The Salafi Dawah by babs787(m): 7:36pm On Sep 29, 2008
@Codebase

When you clarify your stand with Frizy, I would like to know, what qualifies one to be a salafi?
IslamRe: For Purification In The Family Two Jordanian Sisters Lost Their Lives by babs787(m): 7:33pm On Sep 29, 2008
@Nimshi


You don't have to resort to insults when you have nothing to profer to my straight forward questions. I read in one of your saying that you have no problem calling Jesus son of God and I asked you those questions but all I read form you was not being straight forward in your response.

Please, could you please post your declaratio of faith (Shadah) here. I want to arrive at something.


Salam
IslamRe: Is Allah God? by babs787(m): 7:23pm On Sep 29, 2008
@Reindeer

Read about the kind of person Babs is here
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-36356.224.html.

Babs is not a trouble maker as you may be thinking and I don't like stepping on toes, loves moderation but I believe respect begets respect.(I will not say more). Its not by force that one must indulge in a discussion if one cannot do without raining insults and like I said, the posts are there as evidence.

You may read our previous posts if you really want to get to the root of it. When a a sister, Lady posted something about me, I mailed her and explained things to her and even apologized where I deemed fit and till today, I so much like and respect her cos she is respectful, humble etc despite our religious difference and ethnic back ground she would never leave core issues to personal attacks. (Let me stop here so as not to be misconstrued cheesy). I still rest my case.
IslamRe: Eidul Mubarak! by babs787(m): 7:11pm On Sep 29, 2008
Eid il Mubarak to you all
IslamRe: Sunnah Of The Eid by babs787(m): 9:47pm On Sep 28, 2008
Eid ul-Fitr

The first day of the Islamic lunar month Shawwaal is the Eid ul-Fitr day marking a day of celebration and thanks for Allah, our Creator and Cherisher. Ramadan ends here. Most Muslim celebarate Eid for at least 3 days.

Here is what the Prophet use to do on the day of Eid, May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him:

1. To rise early in the morning.

2. Take a full bath.

3. Clean the teeth.

4. Wear the best cloths that he had.

5. Wear perfume.

6. To eat something sweet like dates before leaving home.

7. Go to the Eid prayer location very early. (The Prophet use to offer Eid prayer in the central location, that is not to offer it in a mosque of a locality without any legitimate excuse).

8. The Prophet used to go to the Eid Prayer location by one route and will return through another route.

9. He used to go for Eid on foot.

10. He used to chant slowly on the way to the Eid prayer location the following words: “Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Laa ilaaha illallahu Wallahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar , Wa lillahil Hamd." (Translation: Allah is the greatest, He is the greatest. There is no god except Allah. He is the greatest. All praises and thanks are for Him)

11. The Prophet used to give Sadqa-e-Fitr (zakatul fitr) for before the Eid day. But if you have not done so please give now before the Eid.

Eid Il Fitri Mubarak
IslamRe: Is Allah God? by babs787(m): 9:25pm On Sep 28, 2008
@Reindeer

its quite unfortunate seeing the depths to which religion has weathered our sense of propriety.
insulting someone else's innocent parents because of a religious disagreementhuh
thats low, so low.
if insults were directed at you then you are free to do the same but not insult people who arent part of the discussion, and i therefore think babs should apologise,his actions can't be justified in any way and apologising will only be an evidence of the regards he has for his own parents so go ahead and be a man.
I have been ignoring this thread but felt that I should add probably just 2 cents.
Like I said in one of the threads I replied you, It seems this happened to be what you read and has not been reading from the beginning hence your jumping to conclusion. I dont disregard or insult other parent or those older or younger than I do. So be mindful of what you post because it also shows the respect you have for your parent and those older than you. One should not come here and be raining abuse just because we are on net.

Now I believe what the bible teaches that, do unto others what you would like to done to you. Just because we are discussion or of different religion doesnt give someone audacity to go off topic and be insulting someone's personality. My posts are there as evidence. Its like a saying that, you should not abuse gods of people because if you do, they would surely abuse your own God.

Go read our discussions and see how it all started.

In case you missed, my parent never brought me up to leave core issues and insult personally and you may read my response to some posts here.

All the same, thanks for your inputs. I engage in those Older and younger than me but never for one insulted them if they didnt accept my faith. Its normal that there would be disagreement but that has not been leading to insults.

I have nothing to say but I rest my case.
IslamRe: For Purification In The Family Two Jordanian Sisters Lost Their Lives by babs787(m): 8:51pm On Sep 28, 2008
@Nimshi

Please I wouldnt want any rancour between both of you because of Allah Subhana Talla

Once again, its quite unfortunate that the thread where you advocated Jesus being the son of God is locked but want to ask you these simple questions

1. Do you take Jesus as a son of God?

2. Do Muslims believe that Jesus is a son of God?

3. Do you base your answer on verses from the Quran as a Muslim

4. Or you arrived at your conclusion based on verses from the bible?
IslamQuestions And Answers On Islamic Jurisprudence (fiqh) by babs787(op): 8:36pm On Sep 28, 2008
Bismillah Rahman Raheem

This thread Insha Allah on Fiqh will cover purification, prayer, Zakah, fasting, hajj, umrah, marriage, separation between spouses, oaths, vows, food, drinks, clothingm adornment, crimes, legal punishments, blood money, jurisdiction, dealings and transactions(parnership, crop-sharing, morgagingetc), riba (usury), prayer shortening, when travelling by air, hubting with rifles, obligatory alms due in shares, brokerage and other critical matter.


Question:

what is the difference between physical or tangible purification (taharah haqiqiyyah) and legal or intangible purificationm(taharah hukmiyyah)?

Answer:
faqis have divided purification into two sections:

1. physical or intangible purification: which is purifying oneself from real existent impurity such as that is is found on the body, in a place, or on clothes.

2. Legal or intangible purification which is purifying oneself from intangible impurity by performing ablution or taking a bath.

Question 2
with what should a Muslim purify himself?

Answer:

originally, purification is to be applied by means of pure water as Almighty Allah states:

, and we send down pure water from the sky (Quran 25 v 48)

water can also be used for purifying filthy garments and places. The prophet (saw) is narrated to have said:
'water is pure and nothing makes it impure except that which changes its tastes, color or smell'

when water is not available, it is sufficient that one substitutes it with tayammum (dry ablution), for Almighty Allah says:
, and you find no water, perform tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands, (Q4 v 43)

Question 3:
What are the kinds of water

Answer:
there are three kinds of water

a. Pure and purifying water which removes hadath and impurity

b. pure yet not purifying water: This means that it is not valid to use it for ablution or ghusl though it is pure. An example of this is the water that has already been used in ablution.

c, impure water which a Muslim is not allowed to use for purification or removing impurity.

The first kind of water is the absolute water, that is, water which is pure in its own right and can be used for purifying other things, such as the water of rain, ice,and hail as well as the water of springs, wells, rivers, groundwater and seawater.

The second kind of water [/b]which is pure yet not purifying, is like water which a man used in ablution or ghusl when there was no any tangible impurity on his body, because if there was any such impurity the water would lose the characteristic of being pure. this indicates that this water is still pure in itSelf as it was used for ablution on a clean body, but it is not purifying, that is, it is not suitable for ablution or for any other form of ritual purification for a second time, because it has become void of the characteristic of being a ritual purifying water, for it has already been used as such and thus cannot be used again for the same purpose.

[b]The third kind of water [/b]which is the impure water, is the water which is afflicted by impurity when its quantity is little and this impurity changes some of its qualities such as taste, color, smell. It is not valid to use such water for purification or removing impurity in general. Allah knows best.

[b]Question 4:

What are the conditions of the validity of ablution

Answer:
these conditions can be listed as follows:

1. washing the face once
2. washing the two hands up to the two elbows one time.
3. rubbing the head (with one's wet hands) one time.
4 washing the two feet with the two ankles on time

Question 5
What are the acts of the Sunnah related to ablution?

Answer:
There are many acts of the Sunnah related to ablution. Below are some of them:

1. pronouncing tasmiyyah at the beginning of ablution by saying 'Bismillah Rahman Raheem

2. washing the two hands up to the two wrists three times
3. rinsing the mouth three times
4.rinsing the nose three times
5. using siwak for the prophet (saw) said:
'siwak is a means of purifying the mouth and a means of satisfying the Lord'.

6. starting with the organs on the right side, by wahsing the right organ before the left one.

7. Running one's finger through one's beard by passing water onto the roots of the beard hair.

8. Running one's fingers through the fingers of one's hands and feet.

9 starting the rubbing of the head with the forelock, that is, from the upper part of the head following the forehead.

10. rinsing the nose and the mouth with the right hand.
IslamRe: Today's Muslims Can Never Obey Allah? by babs787(m): 8:30pm On Sep 28, 2008
The very reason I encouraged you to get marry. Your husband may even be a greater romantic! But when you insist that you belong to the group of spinters, permanently, how can you experience what is good between legal husband and wife relationship?
shocked shocked
IslamRe: What's Wrong With Tmc ( The Muslim Congress)? by babs787(m): 3:56pm On Sep 28, 2008
@Javalove

Thanks brother and May Allah be pleased with you. I have done but would be back shortly. I have a lecture to attend.

Maa Salam
IslamRe: What Are Muslims Scared Of? by babs787(m): 3:52pm On Sep 28, 2008
@Reindeer

I read your posts towards me in a thread but would post there shortly because I know that the post you based your judgment on might have been the last post you read and am very sure you have been following our conversations, you wouldnt have talked that way.

Now quite unfortunate your jubilation on your new found faith. I pray May God open your eyes before it would be too late. I even read in one of the posts where christians were congratulating someone for converting to christian. I don't even know where to start from , but Alhamdulliah, I am living witness to miracle of God in my life. He saved my and my household from hell fire by opening our chests to Islam and as I am speaking to you now, my mothers faith, believe in christianity is not that strong like it was when we were all practising it.

My happiesnt moment was when my father accepted Islam and left christianity for good. Before his reversion, he strongly oposed my reversion and threatened disowning me and my siblings if refused to come to christianity but Alhamdulillah, he accepted Islam before his death.

I do think that wanted him not to die as a Kufr hence his accepting Islam before his death. He even asked us when we went visiting him before his reversion when he saw the burial rite of one of his friends and asked us if we would do same when he died and we told him point blank that we would bury him according to islamic injunction and no throwing of parties, no arranging of undertakers to be singing and dancing but would give a befitting burial. He threatened us then and reported us to his friends but we stood our ground knowing the joy of dying as a muslim but Alhamdulliah he declared to us after many effort, having provided him truths, he declared the Shadah and embraced Islam.

He would be smiling now because he died as a muslim, he would escape the punishment in the gave and would earn rewards just because his children are muslims!! we are shephers and would be accountable for our flocks. Aside that, he is still earning extra rewards despite the fact that he is dead. It is in Islam that good deeds left behind, knowledge impacted, prayer of the children of the deceased would add to his deeds wich unfortunately is not in other faiths.

One thing people do not know is that it would be very hard for a muslim to be inmate of hell fire. A muslim would never taste it but those that called themselves muslims just because they have muslims names, born into muslim family family but prayed even if its not 5 times regurlarly would not be domed for hell fire for life. Those that called themselves muslims too but induge in sinful practice would taste hell but would be removed when the terms is complete provided they have faith and believe in Muhammad, Quran etc (saw).

A time would come when inmates of hell fire would be teasing muslims therein that, why can't you be saved being a muslim ( i don't want to go into the full detals) and Allah would command the holy prophet (saw) to remove any person that has faith as small as mustard seed from hell fire and they would be washed with a water and their skin, body would come to normacy and glow.

Let me stop here, I am happy having acepted Islam and am not afraid of death even this seconds because I know that I am fulfilling the purpose of creation which some do not know in other faith which is God does not create us except to worship him. (waow, i just remember that a brother asked for verses on comparative studies)

@Lastly

Muslims are not scared of anything and I am sure you have not been reading my posts hence your conclusion. I have talked about my journey to ISLAM and provided insight into bible and the religion and one thing you should ask yourself is that, could God be author of confusion to have given prophets different religions? I learnt from the bible that God couldnt have been author of confusion. So how different religions? Ponder on that brother.

God says that when someon leaves Islam he would rase people that would love Him and practised iSLAM AS IT OUGHT TO BE PRACTISED.

I reserve my comment.

Peace.
IslamRe: What's Wrong With Tmc ( The Muslim Congress)? by babs787(m): 3:25pm On Sep 28, 2008
@Codebase


@Zayhal

Your comment would be appreciated as well. You claimed that TMC uses fabricated Hadith and thank God you admitted that they follow Sunnah and Hadith strictly. I like people that give me evidence, fact and not just levelling anything against me that couldnt be verified. I will appreciate you serving me fabricated hadiths and we looked at it together.


Over to Codebase

In continuation of your post, Yes I remember now, as we progress, we will look into salafist as a group and it seems in one of your post you kicked against joining any group. Coming to that later.


However, if each of them declare others to be misguided and attack their actions, then this harm is very great and its evil consequences are very serious. Then what is obligatory upon the Muslims is to clarify the true state of affairs and to discuss with each group and sincerely advise all of them that they should proceed upon the way laid down by Allaah upon His servants, and upon that which our Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) called to. Then those who ignore this, or continue in their stubbornness, due to personal benefit or goal - known only to Allaah - then what is obligatory upon those who know the reality is to make this known about them and to warn against them, so that the people may avoid their path, and that those who do not know the reality of their affair may not fall into it and be led astray, and that they are not turned away from the Straight Path which Allaah ordered that we follow, as occurs in His - the Mighty and Majestic - saying:

"And this is My Straight Path, so follow it and do not follow other paths that will separate you from His Path. This has He ordained for you that you may become pious." [Sooratul-An’aam 6:153]
Please, how does TMC' teachings goes against Sunnah and Hadith? I need fact please from Quran, Hadith and Sunnah of the holy prophet (saw)


And from that which there is no doubt about is that the multitude of sects and groups in the Islaamic society is, firstly something desired by Shaytaan, and secondly something desired by the enemies of Islaam from amongst mankind. Since agreement and unification of the Muslims and their being aware of the dangers that threaten them and their ’aqeedah (beliefs), will make them active in refuting and rebutting it, and acting in a unified manner for the benefit of the Muslims, thereby repelling the danger from their Religion, their lands and their brothers. And this is something which the enemies - from amongst mankind and jinn - are not pleased with. Therefore, they are very eager to split-up the Muslims, destroy their unity and to sow the seeds to enmity and discord between them. We ask Allaah that He unites the Muslims upon the truth and that He removes from their society every type of misguidance and every cause of discord. Indeed He is the One Who is able to do that, and He is the one having full power over it. [1]
Hope you know that SALAFIST IS A GROUP AS WELL AND SHOULD BELONG to what you posted up.

One thing I like about you is that, you are very quick as quoting from books by SALAFIST having forgotten or never have read about SALAFIST, DIFFERENT GROUPS, MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, DIFFERENT SALAFIST IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.

Codebase, you should know your history so as not to shoot yourself i nthe leg as we proceed.


THE FATWAA OF SHAYKH AL-ALBAANEE:
[Q]: What is the Sharee’ah ruling concerning these numerous Islaamic groups, parties and organizations which differ amongst themselves with regards to their minhaaj (methodology), their modes of operations, their da’wah (call), their ’aqeedah (beliefs) and the foundations upon which they are based? Especially when the group of truth is a single one as is proven in the hadeeth.

[A]: We have spoken much about the answer to this question, therefore we shall be brief whilst speaking about it. So we say: It will not be hidden from any Muslim who has knowledge of the Book and the Sunnah, and the which the Salafus-Saalih (may Allaah be pleased with them all) were upon, that firstly; formation of parties and groups with differing thought, and secondly; differing in minhaaj (methodology), is not from Islaam at all. Rather it is from what our Lord - the Mighty and Majestic - has actually forbidden, in more than one aayah (verse) from the Noble Qur‘aan. From this is His - the Most High - saying:

"And do not be like those who worship others besides Allaah - those who split up their religion and become sects. Each party rejoicing only in that which is with them." [Soorah Room 30:31] And our Lord - the Mighty and Majestic - also says:

"And if your Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind a single nation. But they will not cease to differ, except upon those whom your Lord has bestowed Mercy." [Soorah Hood 11:118-119]

So Allaah - the Most Blessed, the Most High - made exempted from this differing and this disagreement - a differing which must occur by Allaah’s creational Decree, but not as something which He is pleased with or that He desires from us - that sect upon which He has bestowed His Mercy, as occurs in His saying:

"…except upon those whom your Lord has bestowed His Mercy."
Hey, hold it there please. I didnt see any fatwa in your quote Above.


And there is not doubt whatsoever, that any group that has a purity of intention for Allaah, and earnestly desire to be from among that nation which is exempted from this differing; and upon whom Allaah has bestowed His Mercy, then there is no way to practically reach and attain this in the Islaamic societies, except by returning to the Book and to the Sunnah of the Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and to what our Salafus-Saalih (may Allaah be pleased with them all) were upon.

And the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) made clear the manhaj (methodology) and correct way, in many authentic ahaadeeth: From the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) that he drew a straight line upon the ground, and drew short lines around the straight line. The he recited the statement of Allaah - the Most High - :

"And this is My Straight Path, so follow it, and do not follow other paths that will separate you from His Path." [Sooratul-An’aam 6:153]

He then pointed with his finger to the straight line and that this is the Straight Path of Allaah. Then he pointed to the other lines away from the Straight Path and said:

"At the head of each of these other paths, there is a devil calling the people to it." [2]
Ok. Let us view it this way, who is following the true path and funy enough, how you conclude that you are the following the true path and sadlt calling your fellow an inmate of hell fire and it seems you havent read hadith to know the implication of calling a muslim an inmate if hell fire. Back to the issue, how does TMC goes contrary to prophet's teaching.


And there is no doubt that these short paths are those that represent the many parties and groups. Therefore, what is obligatory upon every Muslim who truly desires to be from al-Firqatun-Naajiyah (the Saved-Sect) is that he proceeds upon the Straight Path - neither turning to its left or its right. And there is no party which is successful, except the Party of Allaah, about which the noble Qur‘aan mentions to us:

"Indeed it is the Party of Allaah who are successful." [Sooratul-Mujaadilah 58:22]

Therefore, every party which is not the party of Allaah is only from the party of Shaytaan and not from the party of ar-Rahmaan (the Most Merciful). And there is also no doubt at all, that proceeding upon the Straight Path requires knowledge of it, and this cannot be attained by mere organization and mere formation of parties - that desire to be upon true Islaam, but not truly understanding what was the true Islaam that Allaah - the Most Blessed, the Most High - sent down upon the heart of Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam). And the sign of the Saved-Sect was clearly stated by the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), when he was asked about it - so he said:

"It is that which I and my Companions are upon." [3]
Codebase, it is becoming glaring that you dont know about TMC hence your use of hadith wrongly. You should always have it at the back of your mind that SALAFIST GROUP is a group as well so when applying the above quote of yours, it means that they are on the other side.


So this hadeeth indicates to the one eagerly seeking knowledge of the Straight Path of Allaah, that one must have knowledge of two extremely important matters: Firstly: That which the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) was upon. Secondly: That which his Companions (radiyallaahu ’anhum) were upon. This is because the noble Companions were the ones who transmitted the guidance of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and his Sunnah to us, and secondly that they were the ones who best followed his Sunnah in practice. So since this is the case, it is not therefore possible for us to have a correct understanding of the Prophet's Sunnah, except by way of his Companions… Thus, attaining a correct understanding of Islaam cannot be possible except through knowing the life examples of the Companions and how they followed this great Islaam, which they took from the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) - either from his sayings, actions, or tacit approvals.
Oh brother, your limited Islamic knowledge is very glaring. Firstly, he who goes against the Quran, Hadith and Sunnah of the Holy prophet (saw) has chosen another path different from the one the earlier prophets followed.

Secondly, he who does not follow his companions thereby devising their own modus operandi has gone astray.

Having said the above, how does TMC as a group goes against Sunnah, Haduth of the holy prophet (saw)?


Therefore, we believe with certainty, that every group that does not establish itself upon the foundation of the Book and the Sunnah and the manhaj (methodology) of the Salafus-Saalih - having extensively and comprehensively studied the rulings of Islaam, the large and the small, the principles and the branches - then this group will not be from the Saved-Sect; the Sect which proceeds upon the Straight Path which was indicated by the Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) in the authentic hadeeth.
Brother, I am even laughing going through your post because it shows lack of understanding of Islam. How does TMC goes against Quran Hadith and Sunnah of the holy prophet (saw)


And if we imagined that there are separate groups in the Islaamic lands, upon this manhaj (methodology), then they will not be considered as being parties, rather they are a single group, with a single manhaj and its path is a single one. Though they are separated by land, they are not, however, separated in thoughts, ’aqeedah (beliefs), or manhaj. Rather this separation is only due to a physical separation in land - as opposed to the various groups and parties, which may even be in a single land, yet despite this, each party is pleased only with that which it possesses. As for these types of parties, we do not believe that they are upon the Straight Path. Rather we state with certainty, that they are upon those paths - at the head of each one is a devil calling the people to it. And hopefully this contains an answer for what has preceded. [4]

THE FATWAA OF SHAYKH IBNUL-’UTHAYMEEN:

[Q]: Are there any texts from the Book of Allaah, or from the Sunnah of His Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) which contain an allowance of multiple groups and parties or al-Ikhwaan?

[A]: I say: There is not either in the Book or the Sunnah that which allows multiple groups and parties. Rather, there is in the Book and the Sunnah that which censures this. Allaah - the Most High - said:

"Verily those who split up their Religion and become sects, you have no concern with them in the least. Their affair is with Allaah who will tell them about what they used to do." [Sooratul An’aam 6:159]

Allaah - the Most High - said:

"Each sect rejoicing in that which is with itself." [Sooratur-Room 30:32]

And there is no doubt that these parties are contrary to what Allaah ordered. Rather what Allaah has ordered and encouraged is in His saying:

"And indeed, this Ummah of yours is one Ummah and I am your Lord, so fear and obey Me." [Sooratul-Mu‘minoon 23:52]

And some people say: It s not possible for the da’wah (call) to be strong unless it is done within the framework of a party! We say to that: This is incorrect! Rather the da’wah will be strong whenever the person is under the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) - following the narrations of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and that of his Companions. [5]
Now what do you call these:

SUNNI
SHITTE
SHIA

And these:

NASFAT
TMC
MSS
QUAREEB
ANSAR- UD DEEN
NAWAR U DEEN
HABIBULAH
AL MUMINAH
HIZBULAH
em em

IZAR UL HAQQ
AHMADDIYA
DAR UL ISLAM

etc

Are you saying they would all go go to hell fire based on what you ealier said in one of your posts?


Codebase, stil tell with with prove, facts HOW TMC GOES CONTRARY TO THE PROPHETS TEACHINGS.

What groups/movements constitutes a salafi?

hope you know Muslim brotherhood and Deobandi?

In case you missed, read this please:


Current disagreements

In recent years attention has been given to the "jihadi" Salafism of Al-Qaeda, and related groups calling for the killing of civilians, and opposed by many Muslim groups and governments, including the Saudi government and Muslim Brotherhood.[35] Debate continues today over the appropriate method of reform, ranging from violent "Salafism jihadism" to less politicized evangelism. Despite some similarities, the different contemporary self-proclaimed Salafist groups often strongly disapprove of each other and deny the others Salafi character[b][/b].


[36][37][38].
Go through my posts and provide rebuttal where appropriate


@Zayhal

Still waiting for the fabricated hadiths.

May Allah increase our knowledge (Amin) and guide aright (AMIN)
IslamRe: What's Wrong With Tmc ( The Muslim Congress)? by babs787(m): 8:45pm On Sep 27, 2008
@Codebase

When I am less busy, I will still provide additional input to your post but you could answer my questions and others would follow.
IslamRe: What's Wrong With Tmc ( The Muslim Congress)? by babs787(m): 8:41pm On Sep 27, 2008
@Codebase

The Ruling Concerning Multiple Groups
and Parties

Fataawaa by: by:

Shaykh ’Abdul-’Azeez Ibn ’Abdullaah Ibn Baaz
Shaykh Muhammad Naasirud-Deen al-Albaanee
Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Saalih al-’Uthaymeen

[al-Ibaanah] Source :TROID Publications
One thing I noticed about you that you so much think that you are the ONLY THAT reads Albani or support his teaching as we progress, you would understand thigs you seemed not to.

THE FATWAA OF SHAYKH IBN BAAZ:
[Q]: What is the obligation upon the Muslim scholars with regards to the large number of jam’iyyaat (societies) and jamaa’aat (parties) in the Islaamic lands and elsewhere, and with regards to the differences that exist between them, to the point that each group declares others to be misguided. Do you not see that it is befitting to enter into explaining the like of this manner, and to clarify the truth concerning their differences, for fear that these differences will increase and lead to evil consequences for the Muslims?
Let me ask you one thing, why do Muslims attend societies and why do we have societies?

[A]: Our Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) made clear to us a single way which it is obligatory upon the Muslims to follow and traverse, and that is the Straight Path of Allaah and the methodology of His upright Religion. Allaah - the Most High - said:

"And this is My Straight Path, so follow it and do not follow other paths that will separate you from His Path. This has He ordained for you, that you may become pious." [Sooratul-An’aam 6:153]

Just as the Lord of Might and Majesty warned the Ummah (nation) of Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) against splitting and disunity, since that is one of the greatest causes of failure and of the enemy taking control, as occurs in the statement of Allaah - the mighty and Majestic - :

"And hold fast altogether to the rope of Allaah and do not be divided." [Soorah Aali ’Imraan 3:101]

And His - the Most High - saying:

"He has ordained for you the same religion which He ordained for Nooh, and that which We revealed to you, and that which We ordained for Ibraaheem, Moosaa and ’Eesaa saying that you should establish the religion by doing that which you are ordered with, and make no divisions in it. Intolerable for the Pagans is that to which you call them." [Sooratush-Shooraa 42:13]
Brother, I know these verses and do they relate with TMC since you lacked understanding of it?

So this is a divine call to unity and for hearts to be harmonized. And in any Islaamic land, if there are many groups for the purpose of good, aid, cooperating in righteousness and piety between the Muslims - without there being differences between the desires of the companions and followers - then this is good, is a blessing, and produces great benefit.
Did you understand your post. How could you be shooting yourself in the leg. The purpoe of your post is to castigate TMC but you have not been able to do that intelligently. Now when I speak, I do not speak based on society but based on the Quran, Hadith and Sunnah. Just because am a TMC doesnt mean that my knowledge is limited to it alone. I do attend lectures organised by non TMC and read Texts of non TMC. So it is you that needs to understand yourself very well before coming here to level allegation.


However, if each of them declare others to be misguided and attack their actions, then this harm is very great and its evil consequences are very serious. Then what is obligatory upon the Muslims is to clarify the true state of affairs and to discuss with each group and sincerely advise all of them that they should proceed upon the way laid down by Allaah upon His servants, and upon that which our Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) called to. Then those who ignore this, or continue in their stubbornness, due to personal benefit or goal - known only to Allaah - then what is obligatory upon those who know the reality is to make this known about them and to warn against them, so that the people may avoid their path, and that those who do not know the reality of their affair may not fall into it and be led astray, and that they are not turned away from the Straight Path which Allaah ordered that we follow, as occurs in His - the Mighty and Majestic - saying:

"And this is My Straight Path, so follow it and do not follow other paths that will separate you from His Path. This has He ordained for you that you may become pious." [Sooratul-An’aam 6:153]

And from that which there is no doubt about is that the multitude of sects and groups in the Islaamic society is, firstly something desired by Shaytaan, and secondly something desired by the enemies of Islaam from amongst mankind. Since agreement and unification of the Muslims and their being aware of the dangers that threaten them and their ’aqeedah (beliefs), will make them active in refuting and rebutting it, and acting in a unified manner for the benefit of the Muslims, thereby repelling the danger from their Religion, their lands and their brothers. And this is something which the enemies - from amongst mankind and jinn - are not pleased with. Therefore, they are very eager to split-up the Muslims, destroy their unity and to sow the seeds to enmity and discord between them. We ask Allaah that He unites the Muslims upon the truth and that He removes from their society every type of misguidance and every cause of discord. Indeed He is the One Who is able to do that, and He is the one having full power over it. [1]

THE FATWAA OF SHAYKH AL-ALBAANEE:

[Q]: What is the Sharee’ah ruling concerning these numerous Islaamic groups, parties and organizations which differ amongst themselves with regards to their minhaaj (methodology), their modes of operations, their da’wah (call), their ’aqeedah (beliefs) and the foundations upon which they are based? Especially when the group of truth is a single one as is proven in the hadeeth.

[A]: We have spoken much about the answer to this question, therefore we shall be brief whilst speaking about it. So we say: It will not be hidden from any Muslim who has knowledge of the Book and the Sunnah, and the which the Salafus-Saalih (may Allaah be pleased with them all) were upon, that firstly; formation of parties and groups with differing thought, and secondly; differing in minhaaj (methodology), is not from Islaam at all. Rather it is from what our Lord - the Mighty and Majestic - has actually forbidden, in more than one aayah (verse) from the Noble Qur‘aan. From this is His - the Most High - saying:

"And do not be like those who worship others besides Allaah - those who split up their religion and become sects. Each party rejoicing only in that which is with them." [Soorah Room 30:31] And our Lord - the Mighty and Majestic - also says:

"And if your Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind a single nation. But they will not cease to differ, except upon those whom your Lord has bestowed Mercy." [Soorah Hood 11:118-119]

So Allaah - the Most Blessed, the Most High - made exempted from this differing and this disagreement - a differing which must occur by Allaah’s creational Decree, but not as something which He is pleased with or that He desires from us - that sect upon which He has bestowed His Mercy, as occurs in His saying:

"…except upon those whom your Lord has bestowed His Mercy."

And there is not doubt whatsoever, that any group that has a purity of intention for Allaah, and earnestly desire to be from among that nation which is exempted from this differing; and upon whom Allaah has bestowed His Mercy, then there is no way to practically reach and attain this in the Islaamic societies, except by returning to the Book and to the Sunnah of the Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and to what our Salafus-Saalih (may Allaah be pleased with them all) were upon.

And the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) made clear the manhaj (methodology) and correct way, in many authentic ahaadeeth: From the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) that he drew a straight line upon the ground, and drew short lines around the straight line. The he recited the statement of Allaah - the Most High - :

"And this is My Straight Path, so follow it, and do not follow other paths that will separate you from His Path." [Sooratul-An’aam 6:153]

He then pointed with his finger to the straight line and that this is the Straight Path of Allaah. Then he pointed to the other lines away from the Straight Path and said:

"At the head of each of these other paths, there is a devil calling the people to it." [2]

And there is no doubt that these short paths are those that represent the many parties and groups. Therefore, what is obligatory upon every Muslim who truly desires to be from al-Firqatun-Naajiyah (the Saved-Sect) is that he proceeds upon the Straight Path - neither turning to its left or its right. And there is no party which is successful, except the Party of Allaah, about which the noble Qur‘aan mentions to us:

"Indeed it is the Party of Allaah who are successful." [Sooratul-Mujaadilah 58:22]

Therefore, every party which is not the party of Allaah is only from the party of Shaytaan and not from the party of ar-Rahmaan (the Most Merciful). And there is also no doubt at all, that proceeding upon the Straight Path requires knowledge of it, and this cannot be attained by mere organization and mere formation of parties - that desire to be upon true Islaam, but not truly understanding what was the true Islaam that Allaah - the Most Blessed, the Most High - sent down upon the heart of Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam). And the sign of the Saved-Sect was clearly stated by the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), when he was asked about it - so he said:

"It is that which I and my Companions are upon." [3]

So this hadeeth indicates to the one eagerly seeking knowledge of the Straight Path of Allaah, that one must have knowledge of two extremely important matters: Firstly: That which the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) was upon. Secondly: That which his Companions (radiyallaahu ’anhum) were upon. This is because the noble Companions were the ones who transmitted the guidance of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and his Sunnah to us, and secondly that they were the ones who best followed his Sunnah in practice. So since this is the case, it is not therefore possible for us to have a correct understanding of the Prophet's Sunnah, except by way of his Companions… Thus, attaining a correct understanding of Islaam cannot be possible except through knowing the life examples of the Companions and how they followed this great Islaam, which they took from the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) - either from his sayings, actions, or tacit approvals.

Therefore, we believe with certainty, that every group that does not establish itself upon the foundation of the Book and the Sunnah and the manhaj (methodology) of the Salafus-Saalih - having extensively and comprehensively studied the rulings of Islaam, the large and the small, the principles and the branches - then this group will not be from the Saved-Sect; the Sect which proceeds upon the Straight Path which was indicated by the Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) in the authentic hadeeth.

And if we imagined that there are separate groups in the Islaamic lands, upon this manhaj (methodology), then they will not be considered as being parties, rather they are a single group, with a single manhaj and its path is a single one. Though they are separated by land, they are not, however, separated in thoughts, ’aqeedah (beliefs), or manhaj. Rather this separation is only due to a physical separation in land - as opposed to the various groups and parties, which may even be in a single land, yet despite this, each party is pleased only with that which it possesses. As for these types of parties, we do not believe that they are upon the Straight Path. Rather we state with certainty, that they are upon those paths - at the head of each one is a devil calling the people to it. And hopefully this contains an answer for what has preceded. [4]

THE FATWAA OF SHAYKH IBNUL-’UTHAYMEEN:

[Q]: Are there any texts from the Book of Allaah, or from the Sunnah of His Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) which contain an allowance of multiple groups and parties or al-Ikhwaan?

[A]: I say: There is not either in the Book or the Sunnah that which allows multiple groups and parties. Rather, there is in the Book and the Sunnah that which censures this. Allaah - the Most High - said:

"Verily those who split up their Religion and become sects, you have no concern with them in the least. Their affair is with Allaah who will tell them about what they used to do." [Sooratul An’aam 6:159]

Allaah - the Most High - said:

"Each sect rejoicing in that which is with itself." [Sooratur-Room 30:32]

And there is no doubt that these parties are contrary to what Allaah ordered. Rather what Allaah has ordered and encouraged is in His saying:

"And indeed, this Ummah of yours is one Ummah and I am your Lord, so fear and obey Me." [Sooratul-Mu‘minoon 23:52]

And some people say: It s not possible for the da’wah (call) to be strong unless it is done within the framework of a party! We say to that: This is incorrect! Rather the da’wah will be strong whenever the person is under the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) - following the narrations of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and that of his Companions. [5]

Footnotes:

[1] Majmoo’ Fataawaa wal-Maqaalaatul-Mutanawwi‘ah (5/202-204).

[2] Hasan: Related by Ahmad (1/435) and an-Nisaa‘ee (7/49).

[3] Hasan: Related by at-Tirmidthee (5/26).

[4] Fataawaa Shaykh al-Albaanee (p. 106-114).

[5] From a cassette entitled Majmoo’ Kalaamul-’Ulamaa fee ’Abdur-Rahmaan ’Abdul-Khaaliq (side two).
I felt like that attending to your posts paragraph by paragraph but felt that it would be like flogging a dead horse.

Now:

1. What do you understand by a sect?

2. What do you understand by a society?

3. Why do people attends societies?

4. Lastly, how does TMC goes against the Quran, Hadith and Sunnah.

Note: You have not been able to support your claims but have been making denials. When you are making denials or providing rebuttal, you should table your proof be it from the Quran, Hadith or Sunnah and we look into it.

Maa Salam.
IslamRe: On Zakatul Fitr by babs787(m): 8:27pm On Sep 27, 2008
@Codebase

Insert Quote
just typical Nigerian or a skillful dodging
Answer a question with another questions!!!!
Far from that. The reason for answering you that is that, you have not been straight forward and specific in your question. How could you be asking me the books I have read when he anchored lots of books. I am even reading one here as am sending this post but you should come out straight and tell the one you want us to discuss supporting same with Hadith, Sunnah and the glorious Quran.

Since he talked and produced texts on so many issues, it would be ideal for you to tell the ones you want us to treat and Insha Allah, Babs would do that.
IslamRe: On Zakatul Fitr by babs787(m): 7:58pm On Sep 25, 2008
@Codebase

Could you share with me the teaching of Albanni that TMC went against before giving you some of his books?

I noticed that you didnt reply my last mail cool
IslamRe: Brother And Sisters In Islam I Need Your Advise And Prayer by babs787(m): 8:08pm On Sep 24, 2008
@Nimshi

Going by the options you chose to put on the table, what do you think?
If you are choosing the first one which happens to be game playing, then you might have come to the wrong section. It would be better to move your posts to jokes section if you are in for that but if you are for a discussion, then there is a thread on that already (Muta marriage), you only need to set the ball rolling and Babs would be with you. Better still, you can raise others question and we discuss.
IslamRe: Salat Questions by babs787(m): 7:57pm On Sep 24, 2008
@Nimshi

Please if you are saying that the discussion is not yet and the purpose has not been established, kindly table the area you still do not understand.
IslamRe: Seeing Laylat Al-qadr by babs787(m): 7:54pm On Sep 24, 2008
Nimshi

His post is for you
IslamRe: I Dont Think Ahmadiyya Are Muslims by babs787(m): 7:51pm On Sep 24, 2008
sect or no sect,
I pray in any mosque that stary with iqamat,
the mosque faces qibla
believe in the holly books
believe in the last days
believe in the holly prophet mohammad [saw]
and give praises to Allah subhanahu watahalla!
ALLAH IS THE BEST OF GEORDGES!
Nice post, just like myself and that is how it should be.
IslamRe: Muslims Pls Pls Pls I Need Your Advice Asap by babs787(m): 7:48pm On Sep 24, 2008
@Nimshi


Let's stop here for now.

1) The above is a clear admission that there (at least) was Mut'a in Islam. Do you disagree?
2) It is a fact that the Prophet (PBUH) 'allowed' Mut'a marriage. Do you disagree?

The above needs to be established before moving forward. It is my hope that you're able to respond unambiguously.
You have response to your questions in my post. So try to move ahead and I would follow suit INSHA ALLAH
IslamRe: On Zakatul Fitr by babs787(m): 7:12pm On Sep 24, 2008
@Codebase & Zayhal

You both ignored my posts on some scholars stands on it but like you said, I rest my case as well. The Quran, Sunnah, Hadith is there for us to follow.

With the issue of TMC you mentioned, you don't have to brng TMC into the issue and I asked you and I also copied you to provide the hadiths you mentioned but till now, nothing is forthcoming. I even gave my emails in case you don't want to post here. Funny how TMC doesnt accept Albani but read his books, follow and accepts his teachings shocked.

@Zayhal, when you observed Eid with them and you noticed that, didnt you notice people giving it in foodstuffs as well?

@Codebase: Also could it be that the scholars I mentioned up could be making mistakes together?

All the same,I enjoyed our discussion. May Allah guide us aright.
IslamRe: Salat Questions by babs787(m): 9:40pm On Sep 23, 2008
@Nimshi

Shouldn't the lsit also include other nawaqis?
1) vomiting
2) flow of blood or pus out of any part of the body
3) laughter ?

Would these three not also invalidate wudu?
Do you care to shed lights on that in the light of the Quran and Sunnah? Has the purpose of the thread been established? If yes, no story telling but if no set the ball rolling for other issues
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus God? by babs787(m): 9:35pm On Sep 23, 2008
@David


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Pot calling china plate black?

Yeye boy grin

Mr man stop confusing yourself. The Torah (the 5 books of Moses) are in the bible! Why did Allah send a book solely to the Jews that he called apes, pigs and is planning to destroy soon?
All these rubbish about JEWISH prophets being given books are nonsense, lies and disgusting fraud. Why are the books not in muslim hands?
I am very sure you understood my question and if you want to divert, signify and we treat.


Enjoy ur re-arranged meal plan.
You would be invited nextweek Insha Allah. grin

who cares? Christians don't bother themselves reading the quran because we are secure in what Christ has left for us.
Why do speak from both sides of your mouth? You and your friends went to the Quran and brought a verse and gave it your own interpretation but here again, you claimed that you are bothered reading the Quran. Is everything ok David? grin
IslamRe: Muslims Pls Pls Pls I Need Your Advice Asap by babs787(m): 9:23pm On Sep 23, 2008
@Nimshi


What a reaction! It is evil to mention Mut'a in Islam?! It is Zina!

Shut it down if you don't disagree with it, right?

Too bad, knowledge, and wisdom is out there; so, my friends, examine it.

First off: if it was/is Zina, are you suggesting that the Prophet (PBUH) allowed Zina? Are you?

Anyway, the definitive text is found in the Holy Quran 4:24, the so-called verse of Mut'a.

The Holy Quran 4:24 - . . . and wedded women, save what your right hands own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise. (Source: http://quran-online.net/)

So, there you have it. And before proceeding, let's be specific: this is the "Mut'a of women". I write that for be benefit of anyone denying that there is no Mut'a in Islam; perhaps, the Mut'a of pilgrimage may be helpful in not substituting the practical meaning with the linguistic one. If knowledge is being filtered through translations, then let's begin looking at the Arabic. There can be references: both to clear reasoning and scholars and to history, to the extent of the confirmation that this was legal during the time of the Prophet (PBUH)

Sura 4 Ayat 24 refers to Mut'a, or Temporary Marriage; the holy book sets out what it is. Let anyone willing to discuss approach with knowledge and not empty words.
Let us start the verse from verse 23:

23. Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-

24. Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

25. If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Having done that, let us go into the issue at hand, Muta Marriage:

It is too bad that your above allegation happened to be your understanding of Muta Marriage and I have done the needful by providing the verses for understanding.

I learnt that some of your folks pick Hadith/ Quran out of context without reading to grab the meaning it entails.

Was Muta Marriage in Islam?

The reason why temporary marriage was allowed is to prevent illegal sex, prostitution and rape especially during the early times of Islam when Muslims didn't have residence stability and were facing all kinds of difficulties from the pagans. The Muslim men used to also travel for long months away from their families to meet the enemy in the battle field. Some of the towns they used to go to had Muslim women in them, and like I said, to prevent adultery and fornication with any woman (Muslim or non-Muslim), and to prevent rape, the Prophet peace be upon him allowed temporary marriage contracts between Muslim men and women.

When the Muslim state became stable during our Prophet's time, he then forbade that act because Muslims then could get married and have stable lives with their families and raise Children in a stable and convenient community.

Is Muta Marriage Islamic:

So I contracted temporary marriage with her, and I did not come out (of this) until Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) declared it forbidden. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3253)"

Narrated 'Ali: "I said to Ibn 'Abbas, 'During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a [Temporary Marriage in English] and the eating of donkey's meat.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah), Volume 7, Book 62, Number 50)"

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa': "While we were in an army, Allah's Apostle came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it." Salama bin Al-Akwa' said: Allah's Apostle's said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: 'Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah), Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52)"

Narrated Saburah ibn Ma'bad al-Juhani: "The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) prohibited temporary marriage with women. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2068)"

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3259:
Rabi' b. Sabra reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) prohibited the contracting of temporary marriage.

Book 008, Number 3262:
Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) prohibited the contracting of temporary marriage and said: Behold, it is forbidden from this very day of yours to the Day of Resurrection, and he who has given something (as a dower) should not take it back.
IslamRe: Salat Questions by babs787(m): 9:16pm On Sep 23, 2008
@#Nimshi


Now, enough about this. Let's return to important matters.
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What is/are the important matter(s)
IslamRe: Muslims: What's Your Favorite Ayah Or Surah In The Quran? by babs787(m): 8:59pm On Sep 23, 2008
@Nimshi


I am sure you would make your mission on Islamic section known as we proceed.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus God? by babs787(m): 8:56pm On Sep 23, 2008
DO YOU? Your quran seems to make a few statements about hell but is largely vague on it. Is it going to be populated by women only and why? According to surah 17:91 . . . are you all going to go down to hell first? Doesnt seem you have any idea what hell is either.
It is a biblical term that has been once again co-opted by deciet into islamic language.
Still grasping at straw. You are known for your round about discussion. We aretired of your recycled thrash. Olabowale explained the Surah in one of the threads but couldnt remember exactly. Still dancing nakedly with no understanding.


The men islam claims to be in enmity with are the same ones through whom ALL but 1 of the prophets came. The same men whose bible you desperately seek to find your mohammad and Jesus?
Is bible the same as Torah? Did God give them Torah or bible. Am sure none of the prophets was given bible.


What a bunch of hypocrites.
We will see who the hypocrite is but I am still enjoying my fasting and Night of Majesty.

To you and your folks, what is the understanding of the verse you hid under? Quran 5 v 82
IslamRe: Brother And Sisters In Islam I Need Your Advise And Prayer by babs787(m): 8:51pm On Sep 23, 2008
@Nimshi

abdulreal: here is some practical advice to you. Any of the brothers or sisters could post their knowledge about these matters for clarification.

One will not condemn you because you already judged yourself to be wrong. Knowledge is however a shield. Perhaps you should have contracted a Mut'a marriage with your lady friend and taken care of your pleasure and hers and not be in the wrong? You could get some knowledge on this.
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Do you need enlightenement of Muta marriage that its not accepted in Islam? Are you in for a discussion of game playing?
IslamRe: Seeing Laylat Al-qadr by babs787(m): 8:50pm On Sep 23, 2008
@Nimshi

Rather than call this "the more correct view", isn't it more apt to call it the view that spreads the risk of missing the exact date? And, we could move on from the numerology and superstition: why the odd-numbered nights? And why the 27th specifically? We may speak of convention; but more correctness?
Your days are numbered on Islamic threads. I have been following your posts and found out that you are pretending to be a Muslim but your posts exposed you. If you really want to learn, try to be yourself and no game. You dont need someone to drum it to your ear the importance of the last 10 days and you should know that Allah is one
IslamRe: Zina ! A Sinful Enterprise by babs787(m): 8:37pm On Sep 23, 2008
Allâh Ta’âla says:
"And do not go near zina. It is indeed a shameful and an evil path." (Surah Al Isrâ’, Ayah 32)


Allâh Ta’âla says:
"The woman and the man guilty of fornication - lash each of them with a hundred lashes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last day and let a group of believers witness their punishment". (Surah Al-Nûr, Ayah 2)


Rasûlullah (saw) said: "…adultery of the eyes is when it looks at that which is Harâm; adultery of the ears is when it listens to that which is Harâm; adultery of the tongue is when it utters Harâm; adultery of the hands is when it touches Harâm; adultery of the feet is when it walks towards Harâm; adultery of the heart is when it desires and hopes for that which is Harâm; adultery of the private parts is when it succumbs to that which is Harâm." (Targhib wa Tarhîb)

From the above Hadîth it is clear and apparent that Islam forbids not only the act of adultery but all acts that invite and encourage the act of zina. Islam shuts the door to the root of every evil.


Nabî (saw) said: "There are three such people with whom Allâh Ta’âla will not speak to (with words of mercy and kindness) nor will Allâh Ta’âla look at them (with eyes of mercy) nor will Allâh Ta’ala purify them, and for them is a painful punishment:

* An old person who commits zina.
* A king or leader who is exceptionally deceptive (he lies a lot).
* A needy person who is proud." (Muslim)

Once Nabî (saw) remarked, "A dayyûth will never enter Jannah." The Sahâba enquired, "Who is a Dayyûth?" Nabî (saw) replied, "A man who is not bothered about who visits his wife." (Sunnats)


Touching a Strange Woman with Lust

It has been reported that the person who touches a strange woman with lust, on the day of resurrection his hands will be shackled to his neck. If he kissed her, his lips will be cut off and thrown in the fire of Jahannum. If he committed adultery then his thighs will bear witness to it and testify against him on the Day of Qiyâmat. It will say to him, "I was mounted for something impermissible." Allâh will look at him with anger. The flesh of his face will fall off and he will proclaim "What did I do?" His tongue will testify and say, "I spoke to whom it was not permissible for you to talk to." His legs will testify, "I walked towards something unlawful." His hands will testify "I held something which was prohibited for you." His eyes will testify "I gazed at unlawful things." His private parts will testify "I committed the act." An angel will say, "I heard it" while another will say, "I’ve written it down." Allâh will say "I was aware of it and I concealed it." Then Allâh will say to the angels "Let him taste of my punishment. My anger has increased on one who has no shame." (Kitâb-ul-Kaba’ir)

Hadîth Warns Parents

Rasûlullah (saw) has said: "When he attains maturity get him married. If he attains maturity and his father does not get him married, (and as a result commits a sin,) this sin falls upon the father."

Therefore, once a child becomes bâligh (of age) and mentally matured, parents and guardians should not delay in getting them married.

It is Harâm for boys and girls to court. The parents will be sinful if they allow strange men or boys to visit the females of their homes. Parents should not take any command of Allâh Ta’âla lightly.

Rasûlullah (saw) Speaks to Youth

Rasûlullah (saw) said: "O young men, who amongst you can afford to get married, should marry, for this will be a means of restraining the eyes from casting an evil glance and keeping one pure and chaste." (Mishkât)

It is reported that once Nabî (saw) said, "O Muslims, fear adultery as it has six consequences. Three in this world and three in the hereafter. As for the worldly consequences; spiritual light from the face vanishes, life is shortened and a person becomes poverty-stricken. As for the hereafter; it causes Allâh’s displeasure, difficult reckoning and it obligates the punishment of Jahannam." (Kitâb-ul- Kabair.)


The Result of Young People of Marriageable Age who Do Not Get Married


When there is no taq’wa (fear of Allâh) in an unmarried person’s life, the passions of such a person are fulfilled in one of the following ways:

1. Having unlawful relationships with men or women.
2. Having mistresses.
3. Visiting escort agencies and prostitutes.
4. Frequenting clubs or discos.
5. Reading pornographic material.
6. Gazing at women with lust.


The Solutions
To make nikâh. Nikâh in Islâm is very simple, easy and full of barakâh. If one cannot make nikâh due to some shar’î reason, he/she should resort to the following:

1. Keep fast.
2. Protect the eyes from looking at strange men/women.
3. To avoid mixed gatherings.
4. To have the thought that Allâh is at all times watching and aware of your actions.
5. To refrain from sitting and working in privacy with strange women.
6. Males should fulfill the rights of their wives i.e. looking after them. This will prevent women from treading the wrong path.
7. To be wary of the dictates of the nafs.
8. Women should fulfill their husband’s rights and should not make excessive demands on them.
9. To ask Allâh for protection from disobedience.



A Youth Seeks Permission to Commit Adultery

A youth (from the outlying regions) came to Nabî (saw) and said: "Please permit me to commit adultery." The Companions of the Nabî (saw) took this very ill and were enraged at his words; but Nabî (saw) said to him: "Come nearer to me. Would you like anyone to commit adultery with your mother?" He said: "Not at all." Nabî (saw) said: "Then other people will also never tolerate such a shameful act with their mothers." Then Nabî (saw) asked him the same question about his sister, aunt, etc. And he answered each time in the negative. Then Nabî (saw) put his hand on his chest and prayed: "O Allâh! Purify his heart, forgive his sins and guard him against adultery." The reporters say that, after this, nothing was more hateful to him than adultery.
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IslamRe: Zina ! A Sinful Enterprise by babs787(m): 8:24pm On Sep 23, 2008
The word zina (adultery and fornication), in Islam, can be used in two different, yet related, ways. It can be used as a general term that refers to a general meaning, and as a legal term defining a criminal act that invites punishments and other legal applications.

Zina in its broad meaning indicates any haram (prohibited) act, whether the act was sexual intercourse or a look, talk, touch, or desire that is related or may lead to elicit sexual relations.

Ibn ‘Abbas narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said:

‘Allah has written for Adam’s son (mankind) his share of zina (adultery and fornication), which he commits inevitably. The zina of the eyes is the sight (to gaze at a forbidden thing), the zina of the tongue is the talk, and the inner-self wishes and desires and the private parts testify all this or deny.’

These are forbidden because they eventually might lead to sexual intercourse, and they are forbidden as a preventive issue.

Allah (swt) in the Nobel Qur’an said:

Nor come near to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). Surah 17 Verse 32

Scholars said that what makes some forms of gazing, talking, and touching forbidden acts is that they bring you near zina.

Allah also said:

Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And God is well acquainted with all that they do. Surah 24 Verse 30

Zina, as a legal term, has a more specific meaning because there are legal applications related to it. According to scholars, in its legal meaning zina is ‘the voluntary sexual intercourse outside of marriage when the male sexual organ is inserted inside the female one, regardless of the number of times.’

Thus, any sexual relationship, which fits this definition, is legally zina and deserves the application of a major legal penalty.

Zina in its broad meaning and its legal meaning are both haram (forbidden). However, committing zina (the legal meaning) leads to a major legal penalty, whereas committing anything that brings you near to zina is considered a bad deed for which one is accountable before Allah and it does not qualify for any specific physical punishment set out in Islamic law.

Zina is regarded among the major sins in Islam. The Prophet (pbuh) said:

‘There is no sin after shirk (polytheism) greater in the eyes of Allah than a drop of semen, which a man places in the womb which is not lawful for him.’

One may ask why zina is forbidden. The answer is that the shari’a (Islamic law) has objectives and intents. The objective of the Islamic law is to serve the interest of people (masalih al-‘ibad). The five ultimate interests (al-kuliyat al-khamsah) are the deen (belief), an-nafs (life), al-‘aql (intellect), al-maal (wealth), and an-nasl (family and lineage).

The wisdom of preserving an-nasil (family and lineage) is to assure the recognition of the right lineage of people and their children, by which the social kinship and social network is kept safe and stable, as well as preserving society from sexually transmitted diseases.

Islam has two ways to preserve an-nasl (family and lineage):

1. Making marriage permissible and commanding Muslims to declare their marriages and to announce the children who come from the marriage.
2. Eliminating the causes of corruption by prohibiting and punishing zina and by forbidding coming near to zina .

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