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@pilgrim

I do hope you agree that Jesus never read the bible and was not given same.

@pilgrim

I no fit laugh o my sister. . Did Jesus read the bible or the book of the Elias? Was he given the bible or the gospel?

@babs787,
Hehehhoho. . Abeg, babs787. . . you wan make water comot for ma eye with laff!

Really, oya answer my question and no take style waka ooooo

Wey your answers to my kweshuns?

cunny woman . You know say you misfired there

Anyway, I might be off for a week - enough time for you to harrass people on the Forum with more "Periklytos" and plagiarism.

You dey take style run abi just like pataki and some have been doing. I go dey here dey wait you o. Regards to that your lawyer sister and your brother

Enjoy o jare!!

You too my sister


Please I read all your lenghty rejoinders with regards to erection of images in mosques. I will be very grateful if you can provide me be it Hadith or Quranic verse that supports same and if you cant, then you will agree that Islam does not support same.

@pilgrims1

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 09:12:58 PM
We call these people orientalists. Jesus read the Bible is completely false!

Luke 4:16-20
"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the[b] book of the prophet Esaias[/b]. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him."

I no fit laugh o my sister. . Did Jesus read the bible or the book of the Elias? Was he given the bible or the gospel?

Alhamdulilai, Brother Jamiu and a host of others have kept the flag flying. I have not really been close to Brother Jamiu, but I do watch him from a distance. Ustadh Adebowale was the Protem National Secretary of ISMAN ( Islamic Musician Association of Nigeria) while I was the Financial Secretary and we got close because we both shared some conviction that music could actually be a very good tool for propagation if packaged properly. That was before Izharul Haqq started in full swing. He was so passionate about Dawah that he gave up his other engagements to take it up, and he later died a martyr. May Allah bless him and all of you that are doing the Dawah work. Amin.

Abdul Lateef Adebowale was a brilliant, intelligent person that I love so much. He and some other muslims made me see the light. He was a complete gentleman that argues intelligently with evidences. I could remember that he gave me one Good News bible then when I asked him a question pertaining to some verses in some versions that went through translation error. I will always remember him for his dawah and wonderful preaching in which I have some of his tapes with me. Could you believe that when I used to go with him for dawah, we at times encountered stiff resistance in his quest for spreading the message while going to outskirts of Lagos State . We were waylaid, thrown pebbles, etc but all the same I still thank God for my life. Hope you are aware of Apalara that was killed too. May Allah grant all Matyrs Al-Janah Firdaus

@pilgrims 1

Quote from: babs787 on October 22, 2007, 01:29 PM

Wonderful

He was not the only one to be accorded the word 'wonderful' .All prophets are wonderful. They all came with miracles and we learnt that Jesus said he couldnt do anything by himself

John 5v30: , i can of mine do nothing. etc

So the prophecy is not for him.

Let's get a few things straight.

(a) The prophecy did not describe "all prophets"; rather it was declaring the NAME of only one - the Messiah ("and his name shall be called Wonderful" - Isaiah 9:6);

Can you supply any verse to back you claim up that the above referred to Jesus. If you are thinking that the verses refers to Jesus because it mentioned wonderful, you can as well believe all prophets of God have been wonderful people. Acribing that word to Jesus alone will look like playing the game of dishonesty.

(b) Even if all prophets are wonderful, and you can't accept that it was speaking in reference to the Messiah, then please tell us: WHO was that rpophecy referring to?

Please where did it refer to the Messiah? I need solid proof please.

(c) Since you claim that ALL the prophets came with miracles ("They all came with miracles ", could you please show us the miracles of Muhammad? Where did Allah ever claim that Muhammad performed ANY miracle in the Qur'an? (read backwards from here). Do you remember what Muhammad claimed in the Hadith? Reminder:

'Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said,
"Every Prophet was given miracles because of which
people believed,

but what I have been given, is Divine Inspiration which
Allah has revealed to me.
So I hope that my followers will outnumber the followers of
the other Prophets on the Day of Resurrection."'

[Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 6, Book 61, #504]

Making claims that you cannot defend intelligently is not going to help any Muslim apologists on Nairaland.

Hope the above is self explanatory. He made mention of the miracle therein. I thought I supplied you the splitting of the moon, the night journey etc, his prophecies and so on.

@Nurudeen

@Babs

Late Adebowale of Izharul Haqq was my friend. May Allah forgive him and grant him Jannat.

Amin
Allah Akbar, then you will know who has been anchoring it after his demise, Jamiu "labaeka de christ" Adegunwa and he has been doing marvellous jobs touching hearts of unbelievers through his dawah.

@cgift

babs,

The reason why I don't think I want to stay long on this discussion is that
1) I have seen that depsite being greeted with facts about a thing, you tend to be mischievous in deliberately circumventing the truth and ignoring what stares you in the face.

What truth have I circumvented?

2) The bible is not like the quran which hardly latches in on spirituality. It is largely literal and connotes no deep spiritual meanings. The bible more often than not carries prophecies rgarding what will happen in the future. Very many have already been fulfilled while they are more at the verge of fulfilment.

Brother, as the bible is having prophecies referring to Jesus, so it has concerning Muhammed and if you are ready, I will provide proof from your bible.

On these premises, I really do not see you understanding sevral quotes from the scripture because they would not appeal anything to the natural mind.

They would surely if applied sensible and not forcing what is not for Jesus on him.

To some of your concerns:

Ok

When Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world" you should have asked: was He saying being not of this world (physical) it should be spiritual? Then why has Isaiah prophesied that? You emphasised on "Government" Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, but have you taken time to see the latter end of that verse which says there shall be no end?. What earthly kingdom shall be without end? If Isaiah meant an earthly kingdom, (which was not intended in the first place), he would not have added the everlasting nature of Jesus' government in the prophesy. While in Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel., talks about his birth, Isaiah 9 : 6+ talks about the nature of His Kingship. At the end of things, Jesus will establish his Kingdom proper on the earth.

You amuse me with your post. You claimed that the word' government' is for heavenly or rather spiritual government, please if I may ask you, what spiritual government are you referring to. Let us be sincere, if you had foillowed the tone of the verses, you would have noticed that the verse is referring to present issue and not as you may thinking hence unto us a child is born, government wil be on his shoulder, meaning that he would his people here on earth and not as you are trying to interprete it differently. Lastly, please what kingdom will he establish on earth? Make me understand so that I will know how to come in

I hear you. if they all came with miracles, please be honest to remove MO's name from the lot because w all know he was clueless when it comes to the workings of miracles!

So you agree that the verse is not for Jesus either?

I can now see the stuff you were made of when you claimed you were in christianity. So, because someone else was named Jesus now meant he was another god? Like i stated i nthe ground rules, somethings are beyond your comprehension. Mind you, it is not the name "Jesus" that ascribed the title of the Mighty God to him. Jesus has called us small gods too so, He is the Mighty God.

My denouncing christianity has nothing to do with this debate and if you want to change that, you provide your proof and I will re-join you.You drew me into this you should be prepared to face the task. In what way is he God?

You should have just asked for explanation on certain things that seem so insrutable to you rather than just catgorically post things that may present you as being unlettered or forcefully looking for surviving straws (feeble ones at that).

You should have done that bros .

What do you use in judging a peaceful demeanour? Words or Actions? If MO had said that for instance in the quran, everyone would have known that he meant literal war and thirst for blood because we have seen his insatiable appetite for haemoglobin! Jesus said it but did he ever instruct any of his disciples to go on rampage killing and maiming?

But come to think of it, why did he say that, I need your explanation and please is God of the OT different from NT?

On that basis, you whould agree with me that Jesus was not referring to public mayhems or massacres. Just to help you a bit, the verse : Mathew 10v34: 'do not think that I HAVE COME TO MAKE PEACE ON EARTH? I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE BUT A SWORD!!!!!!. For I have come to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER. ony implies that the msssage of the gospel will make people have differing opinions. Conversion of a son to Christianity from Islam would naturally ignite the ire of a father who is a muslim. That is just a sample.

my question goes again: Is God Jesus of the OT different from NT

I have clarified that above that He never intended to rule from an earthly throne but to become the King of the throne of our hearts. Jesse was one of the fathers of David.

Brother please dont give me that, I was once like you so you cant spoon feed me. The verse is making reference to earthly government and not the one you are laying claim to. You should have noticed from the tone of the verse

Oh! To Adam & Eve? i am not surprised at that shot anyway. But as i did state earlier, it was prophetic of the work of salvation that God had in stock for mankind. The God of the christians is a proactive one and already knew what to do immediately after the fall.

. Not in line with our discussion bros

Now tell me, how did Adam and Eve fulfill that promise if I may ask?

From biblical view or Islamic view?

Well, the truth is you will always look at many of them with a carnal eye and never come to terms with their spiritual import. Well let me help you wih just one hoping you will comprehend: Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Sure its for Jesus

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Where did you read from that they pierced David's hands and feet if that scripture referred to David?

Read from the begining and you will understand that the verse was referring to David



See my question

What spoil did Jesus divide?

Your response:

Good. Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Any similarity?

The messenger was not referring to Jesusbut John the Baptist whom the biblee says would come to prepare the way of the Lord

Why muddling up things? I thought you that it was for Jesus and now you are saying that its for John the baptist again

How does this help your cause? This is SOS 5:16 from KJV
Song of Songs 5:16 His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
How does this add a feather to your cause?

Read again please in case you missed it This is it:


Funny bros. Do you know that that is the language of Jesus. Have you verified the Greek bible?
Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man Muhammad.

For the complete explanation by Aramaic Bible Society please visit:

http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html

This proved what has been said by Qur'an:

Those who follow the apostle the unlettered prophet (prophet Muhammad - p.b.u.h) whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures); in the law (Torah) and the Gospel" (Qur'an 7:157)


According to Holy Qur'an the name of prophet Muhammad or Ahmad (p.b.u.h) is mention by name in the Gospel (Injeel):


"And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is Ahmad (the Praised One)." (Qur'an 61:6)

Did you mean MO is interceding for you? Where is that in your quran? . That man's bones is long decomposed Dont re-shape his identity. He said he was not sure of allah will do with him after his death so is that the person interceeding for you?

Are you saying that dry bones will not rise again, have you turned to those that do not believe in life after death? Do you need proof for his intercession and the position of Jesus on that day?

Did Jesus himself commit any sins? Answer yes or no please.

But you are ignoring my question. Christians believe that Jesus is also God. So if Jesus is also God, he must have been the God of the OT then abi? So is he the same God as that of OT? Please respond and I will you show his genealogy traced to incest had by his fathers and it was from that incest that he came to being.

Emphatic NO!

Please I want to get clearer picture. Are you saying that Jesus is also God of the OT?

I would not mind you opening a new thread for that.

You want to know why I that was regarded as the blacksheep of the family became the apple of their eyes in which God touched my aged father into seeing the light of Islamic monotheism before he could enter grave.Please create a thread for that and I will follow suit.

Thanks bros

@#cgift



Quote from: babs787
Please can I have some from the OT?

Birth, Life, Death, Resurrection :
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Let me break the verse for you for better understanding.



Government shall be on his shoulder


Did jesus ever rule his people? He was never allowed.
Was he king?


John 18v33-37: , then pilate entered into the judgment hall again and called jesus and said unto him, 'art thou the king of the jews'? Jesus answered, "my KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered to the jews BUT NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM THENCE.Pilate therefore said unto him, 'art thou A KING THEN?' Jesus answered, 'thou sayest that I am a king,

He was never king and he never ruled, as a result, the above prophesy is not for him.


Wonderful

He was not the only one to be accorded the word 'wonderful' .All prophets are wonderful. They all came with miracles and we learnt that Jesus said he couldnt do anything by himself

John 5v30: , i can of mine do nothing. etc


So the prophecy is not for him.



Counsellor.

The prophesy is not for him as we read jesus telling his disciples that he needed to go so as allow room for the COMFORTER TO COME. (john 16v5-7).

He was never allowed to talk, as a result of this, he told them that it was necessary for him to go so that the comforter would come (the last prophet) and 'when he come, he would tell you all things and guide you into all truth'.
Jesus was never a counsellor.


The Mighty God

He was not the only one being referred to as God. Mind you, small 'g' is supposed to be used just like in John 1v1. Moses too was made god for Pharaoh. If you don't know, one of the thieves crucificted together with jesus is called JESUS BARABAS. meaning that he was another god. Jesus was never a God and will never be.


The Prince of Peace.

Is jesus really prince of peace? lets read the below verses

Mathew 10v34: 'do not think that I HAVE COME TO MAKE PEACE ON EARTH? I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE BUT A SWORD!!!!!!. For I have come to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER.


Luke 12v49: ' I CAME TO CAST FIRE UPON THE EARTH AND WOULD THAT IT WERE ALREADY KINDLED, DO YOU THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO GIVE PEACE ON EARTH? NO. I TELL YOU, BUT RATHER DIVISION FOR FROM HENCEFORTH in one house there will be five divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother.

Isaiah 11:1-7 ¶And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: (Read the rest yourself).

Yes and please how do that make reference to Jesus?

Micah 5:1-2 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod.

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

Was Jesus Israel's ruler? Did he ever for one day rule Israel?

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Brother, how does this refer to Jesus? God was talking to Adam and Eve because they ate the forbidden fruit. Haba bros

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him[b] Immanuel[/b].

I will check for the highlighted words in the versions with me and get in touch. but mind you, you didnt give me the one that refers to his death and ressurection.

Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Same as above please but still no verse referring to his death and ressurection.

Zechariah 11:12-13 I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter"--the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter.

I will get in touch soon.


Isa

iah 50:6 I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.

The above is for David and not Jesus

Zechariah 12:10"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

I will get in touch soon

Psalms 22:16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet.
Psalms 22:18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.

Read from the beginning. It was David speaking about those that do not believed in him.It has no relationship with Jesus. It is because you see the God's royal son, David was not the only being referred to as God's son. we have lots of of examples in your bible. Read the above verse very well, do the verse in any have anything to do with Jesus? Did jesus ever destroy the jews that didnt do his wish, he couldnt do anything when he was accused of proclaiming himself as king and also not allowing Jews to pay tribute to Caesar.

Did he get annoy to the extent of destroying the jews and were the jews destroyed? Nothing like that

Brother, the above speaks of nobody else than David. And the verse is in accordance with the war fought then.

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

A question for you here please. What spoil did Jesus divide?

Psalms 34:20 he protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken.

Good.

Isa.53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (Ps.38:13-14)

Brother are you sure that Jesus didnt say anything? I am asking you the question so I will know what to post later with reference to those that I will check up.

Malachi 3:1 "See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.

Brother, how does this refer to Jesus? It could have been other prophets too because his name was not mentioned, besides, most christians do not accept Jesus to be messenger of God,

Permit me stop at these for now. Counter those scriptures and prove to us that they are not prophecies about Jesus.

I have countered them and will supply you additional note later. You would have read yourself that they are not for Jesus.

If you also want me to give you scriptures for their fulfilment in the New Testament, its only a request away.

Sure brother, hope you are aware that the OT prophecies have been countered so you should read and re-read any so called prophecy that you may want to give me referring to Jesus

Aramaic version? Please post it lets see the fraud that your people have invented.

Funny bros. Do you know that that is the language of Jesus. Have you verified the Greek bible?
Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man Muhammad.

For the complete explanation by Aramaic Bible Society please visit:

http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html

This proved what has been said by Qur'an:

Those who follow the apostle the unlettered prophet (prophet Muhammad - p.b.u.h) whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures); in the law (Torah) and the Gospel" (Qur'an 7:157)


According to Holy Qur'an the name of prophet Muhammad or Ahmad (p.b.u.h) is mention by name in the Gospel (Injeel):


"And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is Ahmad (the Praised One)." (Qur'an 61:6)


If you refer to Song of Solomon in Hebrew scripture, the name 'Muhammad' also mention there, please read Song of Solomon 5:16, it looks like this:

"Hikow mamtaqiym wkulow [b]mahamadiy[/b]m zeh dowdiy wzeh ree`iy bnowt yruushaalaaim."

You would agree with me that we do not serve the same God so i wonder why when God says, this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased in the bible, yur own allah is saying he has no son through your 'prophet' called MO. If its same God, He wont contradict himself. So, bringing allah into the bible is false. They should have retained God in the Aramaic translation. Christ the architect of the New Convenant, never claimed lives - He rather gives life. He can give you life too.

Very good, I think we are beginning to treat the deity of Jesus. Now please what proof do you have to show the voice is that of God?



Quote from: babs787
Is Jesus the only one with special. Have you read about Adam or Melchisedek that has no beginning nor end?

These things are too much for you to understand. I thought you wanted to scribble in MO's name that he was special when he outrightly finished himself with his own mouth that he was just a mere man! MO that was not sure of his so-called call as a prophet whether na angel, or angels or allah himslf of whatever called him!

He is special and will always be. Now bros, do you need biblical reference as to the prophecies referring to Muhammed? So if Jesus is not a man, please who is he? It seems we vare gradually going into the deity of Jesus. Muhammed is not sure and he will intercede for you all on that. Jesus and others will be there but Allah will give only him the power to intercede.

Bring your questions on! I know certainly they would be too esoteric for you.

I will serve you questions on the deity soon?

Quote from: babs787
Do you want me to dig deep into both the old and new testament. Hope you know that Jesus is also God of the OT and NT

May be in your aramaic bible

Are you saying that God of the OT is different from that of NT?

Quote from: babs787

Really, was he sinless? Have you traced the generation of Jesus through incest? ;DWonders shall never end o.

Tell me the sin He (personally) committed. I'm waiting. If you like be quoting the sin of David or rahab . I am not quoting the sins that MO's father committed or his mother. I have told you the ones he committed but you would not call it sin anyway because your 'unholy' prophet must not be tamed sinful . I guess snatching is adopted son's wife is morally right because the 'prophet' is unquestionable.

Before I do that, please is God of the OT different from NT?

Quote from: babs787
Then I will supply you the Quotes and the sermon of the prophet too. You didnt make reference to his words in OT



Whose words? The sermon of your prophet on the other hand is demeaning to deep intellectual discourse and sound reason please.

Quote from: babs787
Are you sure of what you are saying ? Do I make reference to confuse speeches in the Gospels?


Permission granted

All will be served very soon.

Quote from: babs787
You amuse me a lot o. Die for sinner ke when he was afraid to die. It got to a stage that he couldnt walk openly because they wanted to kill him. Do you know that he begged God not to let him die and you are here saying that he was willing to die. Do you read your bible at all?


If he wasn't willing to die, he should have dangled swords like MO

No he wasnt, did you read my above post very well and when you are through, I will serve you verses on same

The mysteries of the gospel will always confuse your mind. He was God-Man; he felt what man felt though h carried the attributes of God. Its too deep for you and you can never understand it from a natural perspective. He had the power to command death: He said it himself in Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
He just knew his mission and played along but the thought of 'playing along' all the suffering as a man was scary.

Never mind, I will give you questions on the deity but I dont want to divert this thread hence my holding on

Quote from: babs787
He never killed. Are you referring to God of the OT OR NT? I still need your evidence on your allegation please
Brother, are you sure of all you are typing? Do we dig into the OT AND NT please?

Keep confusing yourself. The architect of christainity never killed to spread his message. Persuasion, diligence, prayers, works of love was all that was put to use in spreading the message, not the sword!

I asked a question above please, dont ignore

Quote from: babs787
I am very true to myself. You know that I was in the dark and would never go back to it



Which dark? Where you once a christian if that is what you refer to as your own dark? Just asking!

So you have not read my story about my journey from darkness (christianity) to light (Islam). If you care to know I was a christian but do not like talking about it unless you demand for it.

hmmmm

@Nwando

You can't have it both ways you know.

Really?

The Koran tells you to ask the Christians and Jews when in doubt.

Can I have the verse posted here please?

The same Koran says the Bible is corrupted.

Sure corrupted .

When did that happen,before Allah said the above or after.

Are you confused?

How can Allah sanction the Old and new testament and yet allowed it to be corrupted only for allah to produce a plagiarised haphazard version,threw in a few eastern mystics and sex and called it the Koran.
What happened to Allah's sanctioned Torah and Injil?
You see how unreliable allah is.

Do you need response to your post

Then in all the Bibles corruption,somehow Muslims can find Muhammad hidden in it's corrupted pages?
Wonders shall never end

It seems you are confused, please let me know so that I will help you out

@mukina

@ Nuru

@ Babs
this one wey you dey dissect my posts.

No vex jare, I dey learn through your post.

Did you join the moon on its return Journey?

Yes I did and I do hope you have fasted the remaining 6 or about to in the month of Shawwal? Please start if you havent so as to reap the benefit.


@mdsocks

I have never visited this thread, but i usually see it, i usually thought it was the usual stupid arguments by **** you know them
i never knew until i decided to browse through it, Jazakhullah Khairan to all who have been keeping this thread alive.

Yes we do see the un-invited guests at times but we know how to treat their Bleep ups by replying them at times or ignoring their baseless posts.

@Nwando

ROFL.
Mo is now in the corrupted bible?

So you know that your bible is corrupted?

@Nuru

Salam everybody.

Congrats Babs. I am also still praying that my mum becomes a muslim. May Allah that guided your dad to the Truth also guide her. Every muslim here should please help me supplicate to Allah for her guidance. I love her dearly and she has been an excellent mother

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Allah will open her eyes to Islam because it is only Him that can show people the light, we can only preach. He will revert her just as He did to my father

I learnt during the last ten days of Ramadan that I spent in Makkah that millions of people are serving Allah with their persons and belongings and if one deliberately and arrogantly turn away from the Truth, it will not reduce anything from the Glory of Allah. Subhanou Wataala.

You hit the nail on the head. Turning away from the worship of Allah will not reduce His Glory. The worshipping is for our own sake. Allah made the truth stands out from falsehood, its now left for people to shun pride, arrogance and embrace the true religion of Abraham.


@mukina

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Eid Mubarak to you all

Same to you too

I learnt some very interesting things during the just concluded Lai la tul Qadr

Share with us jare

You all know there's always this arguments on surahs that start with( ka .ayin zod) or Ta Ahh)

Okay

The Imam during his preaching stated that some scholars said that the Aleef means Allah
the Lam means Gibril and meem means the holy Prophet (saw) .
Meaning Allah sent messages through Gibril and then it got to the Holy prophet .

I will work on that and get in touch.

Also the sura lai la tul Qadr .
A specific day was never given .It was just said the last 10 days of ramadan , one of the odd numbers
The signs are there for the 27th . A day was never stated, the Imam in his preaching said,
Lai la tul Qadr was called thrice in the surah and 3 x 9 = 27
if you add all the alphabets in the sura it sums up to 27
that is why lailatul Qadr is always on the 27th.

Yes you are right but the best thing to do is to start when fasting is 20 in order to fully benefit and be sure of that night.

how many of us accompanied the moon on its return Journey?

@ Babs

Alhamdulilahi for you Dad

Thanks very much dear sister.

@ Nuru
I would remember her in my prayers , InshaAllah she would become a muslim.

I will be praying for too, Allah in His infinite mercy that opened the eyes of my Dad to Islam will do same to your sweet mother Insha Allah.

Its painful though when a member of your family choses another faith
May Allah continue to guide us along the straight path . Ameen

Yes you are right particularly when it comes to threading the path of falsehood. All you need to be doing is to be praying for her and be preaching to her using the two books as the judge making her realise who Jesus really is and what her chosen faith is all about. Allah (SWT) will make it easier for him (Amin)

@cgift

I came in because I read my name therein.

Okay more comparisons using the reverred texts of the two religions exclusively:

Okay

Prophecy:

First, the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus wre clearly prophesied in the Old Testament (OT) accorsing to the New Testament (NT).

Please can I have some from the OT?

Sevral examples will siffice. Micah 5:2 gives us the very name of the town in which the MEssaih would be born.

Can you please post the verse for all to read?

On the day Christ died, no less than 33 OT prophecies were fulfilled.

I do not need 30 but give me some please

The coming of Christ was preceeded by the coming of John th Bpatist according to Isaiah 40 and Malachi 4.

Let us all read it together. Let for me, I have up to 4 versions at home but please post the full verse for the benefit of those that do not have.

What do we have for Muhammad: a start contrast, nothing, nobody prophesied his coming not even soothsayers No OT or NT prophets. The man is just no where to be found!

Did you read your bible very well. Have you seen the Aramaic version of the bible?

Births:

The birth of JEsus was miraculous in that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of virgin Mary. The Quran and orthodox Islam fully accepts this. It is only in modern times that we find HERETICAL muslims groups who deny and ridicule the virgin birth. Yes I call them heretical because they go against their reverred texts.
What do we hear aout MO: he was the product of semen!

Is Jesus the only one with special. Have you read about Adam or Melchisedek that has no beginning nor end?

A Sinful MO:
Where is it in the quran that MO was sinless? In Sura 18:110, MO was commanded by allah: Say, I am but a man like yourselves. Sura 40:55, Allah asks MO to ask for the forgiveness of his sins?

Is Jesus not a man. Biblical you may say he is God but I have some questions for you if you are ready concerning his deity. Do you really understand the above quoted verse?

Sura 48:1,2,

Lo! We have given thee,
(O Mohammad) signal victory,
that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin,
that which is past and that which is to come,
and may perfect his favour unto thee, and guide thee on a right path.

Do you understand the above verse please? Let me know so as to enlighten you.

MO was full of all sorts of evil vices and guiles.

Do you want me to dig deep into both the old and new testament. Hope you know that Jesus is also God of the OT and NT


Can I have your proof?

What do we have of Jesus, no sin! John said, behold the Lamb of God, in whom there is no guile. . When before Pilat and Herod, they had to invent charges as they could not find a single sin against Him.

Really, was he sinless? Have you traced the generation of Jesus through incest? ;DWonders shall never end o.

On Beauty of Speech:

When you study the speeches of Jesus as given in the Gospels, for xample, the Sermon on the Mount, you would find that Jesus was a very great speaker. Even his nemies had to confess that no man ever spoke as He spoke.

Then I will supply you the Quotes and the sermon of the prophet too. You didnt make reference to his words in OT

Of MO: All you see are estatic, confused speeches and nothing outstanding. Nothing matches the beauty, substance, or style of the way that Jesus preached.

Are you sure of what you are saying ? Do I make reference to confuse speeches in the Gospels?

A High Moral Example:

Th way Jesus lived and was willing to di for sinners has given us a high moral xample to follow.

You amuse me a lot o. Die for sinner ke when he was afraid to die. It got to a stage that he couldnt walk openly because they wanted to kill him. Do you know that he begged God not to let him die and you are here saying that he was willing to die. Do you read your bible at all?

MO nko? A lifstyle lower than that of a beast that you would deem as immoral and completely unjustly.

You know that he no fear death even the angel was afraid to take his death but what of Jesus, he begged, begged and begged to the extent that his sweat were like blood. He should have commanded death now. Do you need proof from OT on the attrocities committed by God Jesus? I still need you proof on your allegation


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ing or Robbing:

Jesus never killed or robbed anyone. According to the quran, MO killed, maimed and robbed.

He never killed. Are you referring to God of the OT OR NT? I still need your evidence on your allegation please

Coercion:

Christ never used physical violence to force people to believe His message or accept Him as the Messaiah. As a matter of fact, when Peter (erroneously called the first pope) took out his swords, Jesus told him to put it back into its sheath that physical violence was not the way of His kingdom (See Matt. 26:51-54). What do we have of MO?

Brother, are you sure of all you are typing? Do we dig into the OT AND NT please?

On Taking Another Man's Wife:

Jesus did not do this. Mohammad had 16 wives, 2 slaves or concubines and 4 other women who just gave themselves to satisfy his lewd sexual desires.

Do you know the reason for the above?

Very many mor jare. I no fit type again.

Oya begin type please


Babs, if you are true to yourself, forget the staks you hav in Islam already and seek salvation in Christ Jesus alone. He will save you and forgiv you all your sins.

I am very true to myself. You know that I was in the dark and would never go back to it

@cgift

Sorry to disappoint you. there is nothing in the Quran that adds value to morals and peace.

Hey brother, I have been trying to have a chat with and maybe the has come. Please can we look at the bible with regards to peace and morals

@nwando

Just one explanation.

Never mind, I will sort the post for you. Hope you know that I was once lost like you.

Now let us reason together.

Judas committed suicide by hanging [Matt 27:5]

Hope you understand if they say someone died by hanging?

Judas did not hang himself, but died another way [Acts 1:18]

and if someone died the other way?

Matt 27:5 states that Judas "threw the pieces of silver, and he went away and hanged himself."

Hope you know that if they say that someone died by hanging, it means that the person hanged himself and died through that process too.

Acts 1:18 states, "and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out."

Hey dont give me that crap. So he fell headalong after he might have died of hanging?

It's rather easy to reconcile these:

Let me see you reconciling the irreconciliable

1. First, Judas tried to kill himself by hanging himself. And this is not always a successful way. Maybe he tried, and failed (as have many others who have tried to commit suicide by hanging). Then after some time, he threw himself off a cliff and fell upon some jagged rocks. Keep in mind that it is not uncommon for people who commit suicide to have tried it before.

Are you saying that he didnt succeed in hanging himself? So after struggling with the rope, the rope cut and he threw himself off a cliff huh ? Can you give me examples of those thaty have died through that method?

2. Judas could have tied a rope to a tree branch that extended over a cliff (after all, you have to get some space between your feet and the ground to hang yourself). In this situation, the rope/branch could have broke before or after death, and Judas plummeted to the ground and landed on some jagged rocks.

It seems you are confused yourself. Did he try freeing himself or the rope just cut by itself? Have you for one day witnessed death by hanging? Do you have any idea about the space between the feet and the ground? If the space is wide, please on what will the person stand because the space between the feet and the ground is not always that wide. I dont want to go into details but your response will make me do so.

Certainly, these explanations are plausible, thus a contradiction has not been established. More from Frank Decenso below.

Really?

One of my favorites. My explanation for atheists and critics,

MAT 27:5-8 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself. But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood." And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day.

Still saying the same thing. Are you confused. What do you understand by hanging?

Insha I will be posting the tafsir on all the chapters of the Holy Quran from Al-fatiha to An-Naas

As-salam Alaekun Warahmotullah Wabarakatuh


Tafsir

Some Thoughts on Surah Al-Fatiha


Reciting Sooratul-Faatihah as we all know, is an essential part of our daily prayers. It was narrated by Ubada bin As-Samit that Allah's Messenger (salla llaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, " Whoever does not recite Surat Al-Fatiha in his prayer, his prayer is invalid". This motivates every Muslim to understand the deep meanings behind the words of this Soorah. Consequently , this helps us in keeping Khushoo' while standing in front of Allaah in our prayers.

In this Soorah we start by praising Allah the Lord of mankind, jinns and all that exists, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful, and the only Owner of the Day of Recompense. Then we declare that we worship Him alone, and from Him alone we ask for help.

Then we ask Him to guide us to the straight path.

In his valuable book "Al- Madaarij As-Saalikeen " Ibn Al-Qayyim points out three levels of guidance.

First , Guidance of Bayaan, "clarification". This does not happen except through Allah's prophets whom He sends to explain to mankind the essence of His message and to show them the way to the straight path.

Second, Guidance of Tawfeeq, "success" (on the straight path). In this level we ask Allah to open our hearts to his religion and to be steadfast upon it; by this it becomes the most precious thing in our lives.


Although these two levels of Guidance are separate, reaching the straight path would not be achieved except by them both. These two levels include gaining the knowledge of what we did not know about the truth and becoming anxious to follow it openly and secretly, the ability to fulfil our duty through our sayings, actions and intentions, and to ask Allah to keep us firm on this path till we die.


Some people would ask why do we need to ask for guidance while we are already guided; we know Allah and we believe in Him? We need to believe without doubt that we all are always in need to ask for guidance because the things which we do not know are more than the things which we know. The things which we do not do due to our carelessness or laziness are much more than the things which we do, the same can be said about the things which we are incapable of doing. Those of us who do not see any lack concerning their knowledge or practice need to ask the guidance from Allah to keep them in this state till they die.


The third level of guidance would be the guidance in the Day of Judgement to the way which leads to Paradise . Whoever is guided in life to Allah's path according to what He sent His messengers with, would be guided to the straight path in the Hereafter.


If we want to know how we are going to pass the straight path above Hell in the Hereafter we have to examine the way we are passing Allah's path in this life. We are going to walk there the same way we walk here. Some people would pass like a glimpse, some would pass like the wind ,some would walk slowly and some would creep and others would stuck and then would be thrown in hell fire. So let each one of us examine the way we will pass there from the way we are passing here.


And let us examine carefully the things which are holding us from passing the straight pass whether they are our desires or confused ideas. These things are like chains which delay or stop our movement on the staight path. It is really fearful to say that if these chains are many, solid and heavy here in life they are going to be the same when we are going to pass the straight pass above Hell.


When we ask Allah in Sooratul-Faatihah to guide us to the straight path we ask Him to put us with those whom He has bestowed His Grace on. Here we need to ask two questions.


First, who are those people ?


Second, if we choose to follow the straight path which leads to Allah why do we need to be accompanied with those people?


Ibn Al-Qayyim explained that the one who wants to follow the straight path in this life finds that the majority of people around him or her do not want to follow the same path. And because the human soul normaly looks for a companion Allah (swt) pointed out the importance for having a comapny on this road. Allah (swt) defined this comapny by saing in Surah An-Nisa verse 69:


"Those on whom Allah has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddiqun (those followers of the prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr As-Siddiq), the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!"


If sometimes we feel lonely when passing Allah's path we need to think of those who passed or are passing the same path, to know that they are our company , and to make our best to follow their steps. At the same time we should not pay any attention to those who do not want to choose the same path and should be strong enough so we do not let them detain us.


One of Al-Salaf said: "Stick firmly to the path of truth and do not feel lonely because of the few number of people who would join you, and be aware of the path of misguidance and do not be mislead with the large number of the destroyed)."


And from Allaah is all help sought.

@Muhsin

@Babs787 and Mustay

You are doing great in this forum. You two, particularly babs787, keep Islam in this site up-to-date which is what we muslims at times lack in many sites like nairaland. Always I wish I had an opportunity of coming here as frequesntly as you do so I would be contributing my qoata but, any way alhamdu lillah. More grease to your elbows and keep the ball rolling till doomsday.

Barka da Sallah.

Jazakhullah Khairan. Please do remember us (muslims) in your Duah.



Tazkiyah


Guarding the Tongue
From Al-Adhkaar of Imam An-Nawawi



Allaah the Most High says:

“Not a word does one utter, except that there is an (angel) Watching, Ready to record it.” [Surah Qaaf: 18]


Know that every individual who falls under the category of being responsible for his actions (mukallaf) must safeguard his tongue from all types of speech , except for that speech which consists primarily of some benefit.


So when speaking and refraining from speech are both found to contain the same amount of benefit within them, then the Sunnah is to refrain from it, altogether. This is because the allowable speech (equal in benefit and harm) paves the way towards that which is forbidden as well as disliked. Rather, in most cases, this will be the outcome and applying safety, at that point, will not be able to soothe it in the least.


Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet said:

"Whosoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day, then let him speak good or remain silent."
[Saheeh Al-Bukhaaree]


This hadeeth, of which the scholars have agreed upon its authenticity, is a clear proof that one should not talk, unless his speech is good—and that is the speech that consists primarily of benefit. So if one has doubt as to whether or not his speech consists of benefit, then he should not speak.


Imaam Ash-Shaafi'ee (rahimahullaah) said: "When one desires to talk, then it is upon him to think before he speaks. If there is beneficial good in what he will say, then he should speak. And if he has doubt about that, then he must not speak until he clears that doubt (by making his speech good)."


Abu Moosaa Al-Ash'aree said:

"I said: 'O Messenger of Allaah Which of the Muslims is best?' He said: 'He whose tongue and hand the Muslims are safe from.'"
[Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]


Sahl Ibn Sa'ad reported that the Messenger of Allaah said:

"Whosoever can guarantee for me (that he will safeguard) what is between his jaws (tongue) and what is between his legs (private parts), I will guarantee for him Paradise."
[Saheeh Al-Bukhaaree]



Abu Hurairah reported that he heard the Prophet say:

"Indeed, the servant will speak a word, while being unaware of (its consequences), and due to it, he will be cast into the Hellfire, farther than the distance between the east and the west."
[Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]


The meaning of "while being unaware" is that he does not stop to consider whether his speech is good or not.


Sufyaan Ibn 'Abdillaah reported that he said:

"O Messenger of Allaah , tell me of a matter that I may cling tightly onto.' He said: 'Say: I believe in Allaah and then remain steadfast (upon that).’ I said: 'O Messenger of Allaah , what is the most serious thing that I should fear for myself?' So he took a hold of his tongue and said: 'This.'"
[An authentic hadeeth reported by At-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah and others]



'Uqbah Ibn 'Aamir reported:

"I said: 'O Messenger of Allaah , how does one attain salvation?' He r said: 'Restrain your tongue, remain in your home and weep over your sins.'"
[An authentic hadeeth reported by Ibn Al-Mubaarak in Az-Zuhd and it has support in Ahmad]



Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudree reported that the Prophet said:

“When the Son of Aadam wakes from his sleep, all of his body parts seek refuge from his tongue, saying: ‘Fear Allaah with regard to us, for indeed we are part of you. So if you are correct, then we will be correct and if you are corrupted, then we shall be corrupted.”
[A hasan hadeeth reported by At-Tirmidhee and others]


Maa Salam

@Nwando & Pilgrims

Are they really contradictions?

Nwando, pilgrims, your attention is needed asap . Oya begin dey disect the post.

Stay blessed as you reply the post .

Nwando, pilgrims, your attention is needed asap . Did you see those contradictions, oya begin dey disect those posts.

Stay blessed as you reply the posts.

@gastavas

you can't win anybody by force let the Spirit do the convincing ,all have got eyes let them see,all have got ears let them hear,all have gotten brains let them think,religion is a way ,a practice ,a doctrine ,there is a way that leads to life,that way is Jesus,u are the architect of you present and future life,someone should please welcome me to the forum.

Dear brother, you are welcome .

As-Salam Alaekun Waramatullah Wabarakatuh


Being Kind to Slaves and Servants


Allah said,


[وَمَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ]


(and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess,) this is an order to be kind to them because they are weak, being held as captives by others. An authentic Hadith records that during the illness that preceded his death, the Messenger of Allah continued advising his Ummah:


«الصَّلَاةَ الصَّلَاةَ، وَمَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُم»


((Protect) the prayer, (protect) the prayer, and (those slaves) whom your hands possess.) He was repeating it until his tongue was still. Imam Ahmad recorded that Al-Miqdam bin Ma`dykarib said that the Messenger of Allah said,


«مَا أَطْعَمْتَ نَفْسَكَ فَهُوَ لَكَ صَدَقَةٌ، وَمَا أَطْعَمْتَ وَلَدَكَ فَهُوَ لَكَ صَدَقَةٌ، وَمَا أَطْعَمْتَ زَوْجَتَكَ فَهُوَ لَكَ صَدَقَةٌ، وَمَا أَطْعَمْتَ خَادِمَكَ فَهُوَ لَكَ صَدَقَة»


(What you feed yourself is a Sadaqah (charity) for you, what you feed your children is Sadaqah for you, what you feed your wife is Sadaqah for you and what you feed your servant is Sadaqah for you.) An-Nasa'i recorded this Hadith which has an authentic chain of narration, all the thanks are due to Allah. `Abdullah bin `Amr said to a caretaker of his, "Did you give the slaves their food yet'' He said, "No.'' Ibn `Amr said, "Go and give it to them, for the Messenger of Allah said,


«كَفَى بِالْمَرْءِ إِثْمًا أَنْ يَحْبِسَ عَمَّنْ يَمْلِكُ قُوتَهُم»


(It is enough sin for someone to prevent whomever he is responsible for from getting their food. )'' Muslim recorded this Hadith. Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said,


«لِلْمَمْلُوكِ طَعَامُهُ وَكِسْوَتُهُ، وَلَا يُكَلَّفُ مِنَ الْعَمَلِ إِلَّا مَا يُطِيق»


(The slave has the right to have food, clothing and to only be required to perform what he can bear of work.) Muslim also recorded this Hadith. Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said,


«إِذَا أَتَى أَحَدَكُمْ خَادِمُهُ بِطَعَامِه، فَإِنْ لَمْ يُجْلِسْهُ مَعَهُ فَلْيُنَاوِلْهُ لُقْمَةً أَوْ لُقْمَتَيْنِ أَوْ أُكْلَةً أَوْ أُكْلتَيْنِ فَإِنَّهُ وَلِيَ حَرَّهُ وَعِلَاجَه»


(When your servant brings meals to one of you, if he does not let him sit and share the meal, then he should at least give him a mouthful or two mouthfuls of that meal or a meal or two, for he has prepared it.) This is the wording collected by Al-Bukhari.


The Censure of Stingy Behavior


Allah chastises the stingy behavior of those who refuse to spend their money for what Allah ordered them, such as being kind to parents and compassionate to relatives, orphans, the poor, the relative who is also a neighbor, the companion during travel, the needy wayfarer, the slaves and servants. Such people do not give Allah's right from their wealth, and they assist in the spread of stingy behavior. The Messenger of Allah said,


«وَأَيُّ دَاءٍ أَدْوَأُ مِنَ الْبُخْل»


(What disease is more serious than being stingy) He also said,


«إِيَّاكُمْ وَالشُّحَّ، فَإِنَّهُ أَهْلَكَ مَنْ كَانَ قَبْلَكُمْ، أَمَرَهُمْ بِالْقَطِيْعَةِ فَقَطَعُوا، وَأَمَرَهُمْ بِالْفُجُورِ فَفَجَرُوا»


(Beware of being stingy, for it destroyed those who were before you, as it encouraged them to cut their relations and they did, and it encouraged them to commit sin and they did.) Allah said,


[وَيَكْتُمُونَ مَآ ءَاتَـهُمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ]


(and hide what Allah has bestowed upon them of His bounties,) Therefore, the miser is ungrateful for Allah's favor, for its effect does not appear on him, whether in his food, clothes or what he gives. Similarly, Allah said,


[إِنَّ الإِنسَـنَ لِرَبِّهِ لَكَنُودٌ - وَإِنَّهُ عَلَى ذَلِكَ لَشَهِيدٌ ]


(Verily, man is ungrateful to his Lord. And to that he bears witness.) by his manners and conduct,


[وَإِنَّهُ لِحُبِّ الْخَيْرِ لَشَدِيدٌ ]


(And verily, he is violent in the love of wealth.) Allah said,


[وَيَكْتُمُونَ مَآ ءَاتَـهُمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ]


(and hide what Allah has bestowed upon them of His bounties) and this is why He threatened them,


[وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَـفِرِينَ عَذَاباً مُّهِيناً]


(And We have prepared for the disbelievers a disgraceful torment.) Kufr means to cover something. Therefore, the Bakhil (miser) covers the favors that Allah has blessed him with, meaning he does not spread those favors. So he is described by the term Kafir (ungrateful) regarding the favors that Allah granted him. A Hadith states that,


«إِنَّ اللهَ إِذَا أَنْعَمَ نِعْمَةً عَلى عَبْدٍ،أَحَبَّ أَنْ يَظْهَرَ أَثَرُهَا عَلَيْه»


(When Allah grants a servant a favor, He likes that its effect appears on him.) Some of the Salaf stated that this Ayah [4:37] is describing the Jews who hid the knowledge they had about the description of Muhammad, and there is no doubt that the general meaning of the Ayah includes this. The apparent wording for this Ayah indicates that it is talking about being stingy with money, even though miserly conduct with knowledge is also included. The Ayah talks about spending on relatives and the weak, just as the Ayah after it,


[وَالَّذِينَ يُنْفِقُونَ أَمْوَلَهُمْ رِئَـآءَ النَّاسِ]


(And (also) those who spend of their wealth to be seen of men, ) Allah first mentions the punished misers who do not spend, then He mentions those who spend to show off to gain the reputation that they are generous, not for the Face of Allah. A Hadith states that the first three persons on whom the fire will feed are a scholar, a fighter and a spender who shows off with their actions. For instance,


«يَقُولُ صَاحِبُ الْمَالِ: مَا تَرَكْتُ مِنْ شَيْءٍ تُحِبُّ أَنْ يُنْفَقَ فِيهِ، إِلَّا أَنْفَقْتُ فِي سَبِيلِكَ، فَيَقُولُ اللهُ: كَذَبْتَ، إِنَّمَا أَرَدْتَ أَنْ يُقَالَ: جَوَادٌ، فَقَدْدِقيل»


(The wealthy will say, "I did not leave any area that You like to be spent on, but I spent on it in Your cause.'' Allah will say, "You lie, you only did that so that it is said, `He is generous.' And it was said, '') meaning you acquired your reward in the life, and this is indeed what you sought with your action. This is why Allah said,


[وَلاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ]


(and believe not in Allah and the Last Day,) meaning, it is Shaytan who lured them to commit this evil action, instead of performing the good deed as it should be performed. Shaytan encouraged, excited and lured them by making the evil appear good,


[وَمَن يَكُنِ الشَّيْطَـنُ لَهُ قَرِيناً فَسَآءَ قِرِيناً]


(And whoever takes Shaytan as an intimate; then what a dreadful intimate he has!) Allah then said,


[وَمَاذَا عَلَيْهِمْ لَوْ ءَامَنُواْ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ وَأَنفَقُواْ مِمَّا رَزَقَهُمُ اللَّهُ]


(And what loss have they if they had believed in Allah and in the Last Day, and they spend out of what Allah has given them for sustenance) This Ayah means, what harm would it cause them if they believe in Allah, go on the righteous path, replace showing off with sincerity, have faith in Allah, and await His promise in the Hereafter, for those who do good and spend what He has given them on what He likes and is pleased with. Allah's statement:


[وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِهِم عَلِيماً]


(And Allah is Ever All-Knower of them.) means, He has perfect knowledge of their intentions, whether good or evil. Indeed, Allah knows those who deserve success, and He grants them success and guidance, directing them to perform righteous actions that will earn them His pleasure. He also knows those who deserve failure and expulsion from His great mercy, which amounts to utter failure in this life and the Hereafter for them, we seek refuge in Allah from this evil end.


[إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَظْلِمُ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ وَإِن تَكُ حَسَنَةً يُضَـعِفْهَا وَيُؤْتِ مِن لَّدُنْهُ أَجْراً عَظِيماً - فَكَيْفَ إِذَا جِئْنَا مِن كُلِّ أمَّةٍ بِشَهِيدٍ وَجِئْنَا بِكَ عَلَى هَـؤُلاءِ شَهِيداً - يَوْمَئِذٍ يَوَدُّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ وَعَصَوُاْ الرَّسُولَ لَوْ تُسَوَّى بِهِمُ الاٌّرْضُ وَلاَ يَكْتُمُونَ اللَّهَ حَدِيثاً ]


(40. Surely! Allah wrongs not even of the weight of a speck of dust, but if there is any good (done), He doubles it, and gives from Him a great reward.) (41. How (will it be) then, when We bring from each nation a witness and We bring you (O Muhammad) as a witness against these people) (42. On that day those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger will wish that they were buried in the earth, but they will never be able to hide a single fact from Allah.)


Allah Wrongs Not Even the Weight of a Speck of Dust


Allah states that He does not treat any of His servants with injustice on the Day of Resurrection, be it the weight of a mustard seed or a speck of dust. Rather, Allah shall reward them for this action and multiply it, if it were a good deed. For instance, Allah said,


[وَنَضَعُ الْمَوَزِينَ الْقِسْطَ]


(And We shall set up balances of justice) Allah said that Luqman said,


[يبُنَىَّ إِنَّهَآ إِن تَكُ مِثْقَالَ حَبَّةٍ مِّنْ خَرْدَلٍ فَتَكُنْ فِى صَخْرَةٍ أَوْ فِى السَّمَـوَتِ أَوْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ يَأْتِ بِهَا اللَّهُ]


(O my son! If it be (anything) equal to the weight of a mustard seed, and though it be in a rock, or in the heavens or in the earth, Allah will bring it forth). Allah said,


[يَوْمَئِذٍ يَصْدُرُ النَّاسُ أَشْتَاتاً لِّيُرَوْاْ أَعْمَـلَهُمْ - فَمَن يَعْمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ خَيْراً يَرَهُ - وَمَن يَعْـمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ شَرّاً يَرَهُ ]


(That Day mankind will proceed in scattered groups that they may be shown their deeds. So whosoever does good equal to the weight of a speck of dust shall see it. And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of a speck of dust shall see it.) The Two Sahihs recorded the long Hadith about the intercession that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri narrated, and in which the Messenger of Allah said,


«فَيَقُولُ اللهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ: ارْجِعُوا، فَمَنْ وَجَدْتُمْ فِي قَلْبِهِ مِثْقَالَ حَبَّةِ خَرْدَلٍ مِنْ إِيمَانٍ، فَأَخْرِجُوهُ مِنَ النَّار»


(Allah then says, "Go back, and take out of the Fire everyone in whose heart you find the weight of a mustard seed of faith'') In another narration, Allah says, وفي لفظ:


«أَدْنَى أَدْنَى أَدْنَى مِثْقَالِ ذَرَّةٍ مِنْ إِيمَانٍ، فَأَخْرِجُوهُ مِنَ النَّارِ، فَيُخْرِجُونَ خَلْقًا كَثِيرًا»


("Whosoever had the least, least, least speck of faith, take him out of the Fire,'' and they will take out many people.) Abu Sa`id then said, "Read, if you will,


[إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَظْلِمُ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ]


(Surely! Allah wrongs not even of the weight of a speck of dust).''

As-Salam Alaekun Waramatullah Wabarakatuh


From Tafsir Ibn Kathir


The Order to Worship Allah Alone and to Be Dutiful to Parents


Allah orders that He be worshipped Alone without partners, because He Alone is the Creator and Sustainer Who sends His favors and bounties on His creation in all situations and instances. Therefore He deserves to be singled out, without associating anything or anyone from His creation with Him in worship. Indeed, the Prophet said to Mu`adh,


«أَتَدْرِي مَا حَقُّ اللهِ عَلَى الْعِبَادِ؟»


(Do you know what Allah's right on His servants is) Mu`adh replied, "Allah and His Messenger know better.'' He said,


«أنْ يَعْبُدُوهُ وَلَا يُشْرِكُوا بِهِ شَيْئًا»


(That they should worship Him and should not worship any others with Him.) The Prophet then said,


«أَتَدْرِي مَا حَقُّ الْعِبَادِ عَلَى اللهِ إِذَا فَعَلُوا ذَلِكَ؟ أَنْ لَا يُعَذِّبَهُم»


(Do you know what the right of the servants on Allah is if they do this He should not punish them.) Allah then commands the servants to be dutiful to their parents, for Allah made parents the reason for the servants to come to existence, after they did not exist. Allah joins the order to worship Him with being dutiful to parents in many places. For example, He said,


[أَنِ اشْكُرْ لِى وَلِوَلِدَيْكَ]


(give thanks to Me and to your parents), and,


[وَقَضَى رَبُّكَ أَلاَّ تَعْبُدُواْ إِلاَّ إِيَّـهُ وَبِالْوَلِدَيْنِ إِحْسَـناً]


(And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents). After Allah ordained being dutiful to parents, He ordained kind treatment of relatives, males and females. A Hadith states,


«الصَّدَقَةُ عَلَى الْمِسْكِينِ صَدَقَةٌ، وَعَلى ذِي الرَّحِمِ صَدَقَةٌ وَصِلَة»


(Charity given to the poor is Sadaqah, while charity given to relatives is both Sadaqah and Silah (keeping the relations).) Allah then said,


[وَالْيَتَـمَى]


(orphans), because they lost their caretakers who would spend on them. So Allah commands that the orphans be treated with kindness and compassion. Allah then said,


[وَالْمَسَـكِينُ]


(Al-Masakin (the poor)) who have various needs and cannot find what sustains these needs. Therefore, Allah commands they should be helped in acquiring their needs in a sufficient manner that will end their inadequacy. We will further elaborate on the matter of the destitute and the poor in Surah Bara'h (9:60).



The Right of the Neighbor


Allah said,


[وَالْجَارِ ذِى الْقُرْبَى وَالْجَارِ الْجُنُبِ]


(the neighbor who is near of kin, the neighbor who is a stranger) `Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas said that,


[وَالْجَارِ ذِى الْقُرْبَى]


(the neighbor who is near of kin) means, "The neighbor who is also a relative'', while,


[وَالْجَارِ الْجُنُبِ]


(The neighbor who is a stranger) means, "Who is not a relative.'' It was also reported that `Ikrimah, Mujahid, Maymun bin Mihran, Ad-Dahhak, Zayd bin Aslam, Muqatil bin Hayyan and Qatadah said similarly. Mujahid was also reported to have said that Allah's statement,


[وَالْجَارِ الْجُنُبِ]


(the neighbor who is a stranger) means, "The companion during travel.'' There are many Hadiths that command kind treatment to the neighbors, and we will mention some of them here with Allah's help. The First Hadith Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said,


«مَازَالَ جِبْرِيلُ يُوصِينِي بِالْجَارِ حَتَّى ظَنَنْتُ أَنَّهُ سَيُوَرِّثُه»


(Jibril kept reminding of the neighbor's right, until I thought that he was going to give him a share of the inheritance.) The Two Sahihs recorded this Hadith. The Second Hadith Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin `Amr said that the Messenger of Allah said,


«مَازَالَ جِبْرِيلُ يُوصِينِي بِالْجَارِ حَتَّى ظَنَنْتُ أَنَّهُ سَيُوَرِّثُه»


(Jibril kept reminding me of the neighbor's right, until I thought he was going to appoint a share of the inheritance for him.) Abu Dawud and At-Tirmidhi recorded this Hadith, which At-Tirmidhi said was "Hasan Gharib through this route.'' The Third Hadith Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin `Amr bin Al-`As said that the Prophet said,


«خَيْرُ الْأَصْحَابِ عِنْدَ اللهِ خَيْرُهُمْ لِصَاحِبِهِ، وَخَيْرُ الْجِيرَانِ عِنْدَ اللهِ خَيْرُهُمْ لِجَارِه»


(The best companions according to Allah are those who are the best with their friends, and the best neighbors according to Allah are the best with their neighbors.) At-Tirmidhi recorded this Hadith and said, "Hasan Gharib''. The Fourth Hadith Imam Ahmad recorded that Al-Miqdad bin Al-Aswad said that the Messenger of Allah asked his Companions,


«مَا تَقُولُونَ فِي الزِّنَا؟»


(What do you say about adultery) They said, "It is prohibited, for Allah and His Messenger have prohibited it. So it is forbidden until the Day of Resurrection.'' The Messenger of Allah said,


«لَأَنْ يَزْنِيَ الرَّجُلُ بِعَشْرِ نِسْوَةٍ، أَيْسَرُ عَلَيْهِ مِنْ أَنْ يَزْنِيَ بِامْرَأَةِ جَارِه»


(For a man to commit adultery with his neighbor's wife is worse than if he commits adultery with ten women.) He then said,


«مَا تَقُولُونَ فِي السَّرِقَةِ؟»


(What do you say about theft) They said, "It is prohibited, for Allah and His Messenger prohibited it.'' He said,


«لَأَنْ يَسْرِقَ الرَّجُلُ مِنْ عَشْرَةِ أَبْيَاتٍ، أَيْسَرُ عَلَيْهِ مِنْ أَنْ يَسْرِقَ مِنْ جَارِه»


(If a man steals from his neighbor, it is worse for him than stealing from ten homes.) Only Ahmad recorded this Hadith. A similar Hadith is recorded in the Two Sahihs, Ibn Mas`ud said, "I asked, `O Allah's Messenger! What is the greatest sin' He said,


«أَنْ تَجْعَلَ للهِ نِدًّا وَهُوَ خَلَقَك»


(To make a rival for Allah while He Alone created you.) I said, `Then' He said,


«أَنْ تَقْتُلَ وَلَدَكَ خَشْيَةَ أَنْ يَطْعَمَ مَعَك»


(To kill your offspring for fear that he might share your food with you.) I said, `Then' He said,


«أَنْ تُزَانِيَ حَلِيلَةَ جَارِك»


(To commit adultery with your neighbor's wife.)'' The Fifth Hadith Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah asked the Messenger of Allah, "I have two neighbors, so whom among them should I give my gift'' He said,


«إِلى أَقْرَبِهِمَا مِنْكِ بَابًا»


(The neighbor whose door is the closest to you.) Al-Bukhari narrated this Hadith We will elaborate on this subject in the Tafsir of Surah Bara'h, Allah willing and upon Him we depend.

@mrpataki

[[b]quote]@mrpataki
I thought Pilgrim said that it is Muslims that have been diverting topics . Hope you are not trying to do that and if you, please let me know the version Jesus used because some verses do not agree, some are missing in some versions. Let me know the one he used out of the books comprising NT and let me have your proof that the supposed authors really wrote the chapters of the bible.[/b]Cheers  

Sorry you met me at the wront timing. Am just on my way off to bible study now. I intentionally quoted you as shown above so that you will not come and modify your posts after I am gone.

[/quote]No way for that. I dont do that.


[quote]Did you not read my simple question? Are you dull of comprehension  You are the only reason why I am still a bit vibrant on this forum.

No need to react that way, we are friends dude . Now, I understood your perfectly. You asked for the bible Muhammed read during his time and I asked to let us start from the bible Jesus used, the version he used ( note that some verses are missing in some and some verses are saying contradictory things), was he given the NT i.e from Mathew to Revelation or some added to it, are the authors really the real authors? When you supply the above plus the one earlier sent to you, we will know the one that Muhammed read.

I love seeing you here dude.

I will be back for you soon.

Will be here waiting for you.

If you join them when they are about to start, you will have the intention of praying Magrib behind the Imam while others are having the intention of praying Ishai.

EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO REMEMBER

THANKS

[quote][/quote]Jazakhulah Khairan

Ed Il-Fitri Mubarak

@mustay

If I get to a mosque and the congregrTION is observing ASR and i Haven't performed Salat Zuhr. . . . remember/

Salam brother, sorry for not getting you on time but here is what I said then.



I learnt that it is not ideal for muslims to be having congregational prayer aside that of the Imam. No two congregation is allowed at the same time.

For clarity, what I am saying above is that, if the Imam wants to pray Ishai with the congregation, to the muslim that hasnt prayed Magrib, he will want to pray his missed solat first before joining others in Ishai. This is very wrong.

If you go to the mosques with the intention of praying Magrib and unfortunately you meet the congregation preparing for Ishai, you don't have to pray your Magbrib separately.

We all know that Ishai comprises 4 rakahs while magrib has three.

If you join them when they are about to start, you will have the intention of praying Magrib behind the Imam while others are having the intention of praying Ishai.

You join them in observing the three rakahs but after the sujud, they will stand up to pray the last rakah, you that is praying Magrib behind them will not stand up with them but sit there and say your Tashahud and probably Solatul-Ibraheem and other supplication you can think of.

So when they finish their Tashahud and they say the greeting, "As-salam alaikum wa rahmatullah" (Peace be upon you and God's blessings), you will follow suit and join them in saying it.

But if you meet them observing Ishai and they have prayed 1st rakah, and you meet them during the second rakah, you join them too and does not need to make up for any missed solat since yours is three.

Likewise if you meet them having prayed 2 rakahs, you join them in praying the remaining two and stand up to pray your 3rd Rakah.

Actions are judged by intentions. You will be rewarded for praying Maghrib while they will be rewarded for praying ishai.

After that, you stand up to pray your Ishai.

May Allah continue to increase our knowledge in Islam.

Maa Salam.

@mrpataki

@ babs,
Can you please tell us which bible did MO read in his time? And where is it today?

I thought Pilgrim said that it is Muslims that have been diverting topics . Hope you are not trying to do that and if you, please let me know the version Jesus used because some verses do not agree, some are missing in some versions. Let me know the one he used out of the books comprising NT and let me have your proof that the supposed authors really wrote the chapters of the bible.


Cheers

@mrpataki


@ babs,
Can you please tell us which bible did MO read in his time? And where is it today?


I thought Pilgrim said that it is Muslims that have been diverting topics . Hope you are not trying to do that and if you, please let me know the version Jesus used because some verses do not agree, some are missing in some versions. Let me know the one he used out of the books comprising NT and let me have your proof that the supposed authors really wrote the chapters of the bible.


Cheers

Mr. BABS

Yes sir, my dear chelsea cheksie fan

please post that stuff u wrote on joining prayers again "your prayers are based on intentions"

remember

Sir, which one are you referring to please?

@ebony4life

This was under law, but now we are in the era of grace which is more dangerous, because during the time of law it was pay 4 your sins as you go, but during the grace era it is just piling up.

What grace are you referring to? Please explain the above clearly.

Mind you, those that died during the time of law was given a second chance, when Jesus was nailed on the cross, he collected the key from hell and gave those there the chance to be re-saved.

Where did he collect the key, who gave him the key, who nailed him to the cross or tied to a stake?

@ oyb

Quote
2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}.

   The Koran says both are an Equal Blessing {Koran 42:49}


That was also in the time of the law.
We are all heirs in the kingdom of God,  
'I old pass you'  no dey Heaven, you and your grandpapa go dey same level.

Have you come across a verse in the bible where Jesus said that he didnt come to annul the law etc?