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@pilgrims

Lol. . . "revert" from what to what?

Frm falsehood

@pilgrims

Do not say we did not tell you oooooo

@pilgrims

Lol. . . when you larn to drop your bleached duplicity, I'll give answers.

You couldnt provide answers to the questions but you could provide same to the one I asked David

I asked you to provide me proof that he wrote the books of Act and no story telling.

What Gospels did Allah send down?

I am still asking you, what is the proof that Luke wrote the book of Acts?

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 05:52:15 PM
You LIED as your name implies that Luke witnessed Jesus huh,

Where did he lie?

Ok we will see below

We hear. Please what verse did Luke state that he did NOT KNOW Jesus?

Na wa o, hope all christian apologists are seeing themselves. I asked you if Luke was around during Jesus' ministry and that was the Gospel of Luke meant for you or THEOPHILUS.

Common dont be blindfolded, read your Luke and see if he ever known Jesus physically and if he did not write that he collected from those before him or you want me to give you the verses here so that you wont be making glaring denial.

@pilgrims

What was your response to the answers I gave from John 14:16 & 26?

I told you that it has no relatonship with holy spirit and these are my reasons:


1. The holy spirit has been in existence since creation.

2. Jesus being a comforter said that if he did not go, the comforter would not come. This shows that he is not referring to Holy spirt because it has been in existence.

3. We alrerady have the holy spirit and another one is coming, how many would we be having?

Be wise, accept Islam before its too late

Lying is not a new thing in Islam - and Islam cannot survive without it

!


We have been seeing the LIAR and ESCAPIST  

WHERE did Allah mention that Muhammad was the HOLY SPIRIT which your Muslim apologists have claimed to interpret for him in John 14:16 & 26?

Continue making your roundabout argument. You are still confusing yourself cos the verses mentioned holy spirit and I have been asking you to reply my questions and if you are able to, I will agree that the verses are for holy spirit. Allah never referred to Muhammad as the spirit, common, check the greek meaning of that word and you would read that the verses in question do not have anything to do with holy spirit because it has been in existence since creation and expecting another one will lead to how many spirits?


Islam is the Noah's Ark of Today

@pilgrims

Are there TWO different "Comforter" in John 14:16 & 26?!?

No different ;comforter' and that brings my question again

1. Has the holy spirit not been in existence?

2. Since one is already in existence and another is coming to replace Jesus, how man would we be having.

You havent answered my five questions, you were just proving denials.

@pilgrims



My friends here are even laughing at your denials and the way you have been avoiding questions

(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=84252.msg1640301#msg1640301)

Let me know what you failed to see there.

I have been there and did not see where you proferred answers to my five questions

1. Has the holy spirit not been in existence.

2. Is Jesus a comforter

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being

4. How many spirits would we be having since one is already in existence.

Let me stop there. So provide answers to my questions above.

@pilgrims

I don't think it's hard to see that my response was about the LOST Torah and Injil?

And as you deliver my message to your errand boys, simply ask them WHERE are Allah's Torah and Injil.

You may write whatever you feel like, I am unperturbed. Here are the questions again:



1. Was Moses given the the book of Genesis to Malachi??

2. Did he prophesised his death?

3. Was Jesus given the bible?

4. Was he given the book of matthew to revelation?

5. Do we have the book of Elias Jesus read in the bible?

6. Are the authors really disciples of Jesus?

7. Were they around during Jesus' ministry?

8. Did they witness his alleged 'crucifixion'?

9. Is the bible 100% inspired?

10. Is the bible 100% complete?


Salam

@pilgrims


My friends here are even laughing at your denials and the way you have been avoiding questions

(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=84252.msg1640301#msg1640301)

Let me know what you failed to see there.

I have been there and did not see where you proferred answers to my five questions

1. Has the holy spirit not been in existence.

2. Is Jesus a comforter

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being

4. How many spirits would we be having since one is already in existence.

Let me stop there. So provide answers to my questions above.

@david


Honestly, it is Pilgrims I expected to profer answers but since you have shown your ignorance, let me just give part of the answers but the rest is on the way.

Insert Quote
blabs is obviously unable to coordinate his reasoning faculty.
He asks whether Luke was alive during Jesus's ministry on earth. For a man who was old enough to be called a doctor and actuallyy wrote the book of acts . . . you just have to wonder whether this is really down to low IQ or demonic oppression.

I asked you to provide me proof that he wrote the books of Act and no story telling.

You LIED as your name implies that Luke witnessed Jesus huh, now open your Gospel according to Luke and read what it says in the beginning, from there we will know if he witnessed Jesus. He made us to know that he did not know Jesus but collected the data from those before him and even wrote to Theophilus having collected from those that claimed to have witness the incident and found that it would do Theophilus good if he should sent it to me and not you christians. Please read your bible and stop disgracing yourself.

@david


Honestly, it is Pilgrims I expected to profer answers but since you have shown your ignorance, let me just give part of the answers but the rest is on the way.

Insert Quote
blabs is obviously unable to coordinate his reasoning faculty.
He asks whether Luke was alive during Jesus's ministry on earth. For a man who was old enough to be called a doctor and actuallyy wrote the book of acts . . . you just have to wonder whether this is really down to low IQ or demonic oppression.

I asked you to provide me proof that he wrote the books of Act and no story telling.

You LIED as your name implies that Luke witnessed Jesus huh, now open your Gospel according to Luke and read what it says in the beginning, from there we will know if he witnessed Jesus. He made us to know that he did not know Jesus but collected the data from those before him and even wrote to Theophilus having collected from those that claimed to have witness the incident and found that it would do Theophilus good if he should sent it to me and not you christians. Please read your bible and stop disgracing yourself.

@pilgrims


You may deny the fact till tomorrow and I will continue bringing same to your doorstep,

You never responded to my five questions and if you have let me have them here

@pilgrims


I cant even help laughing here. I was referring to questions asled earlier. Maradona

Shame on you hatredsss of Islam, I[b] wish God will direct you to the right way as He does to many others [/b] that are more violent and hate Islam thousand times as you do,

Babs is a very good example of reversion
A big Amin for your prayer

@pilgrims

What explanations are needed for the FRAUD that you have demonstrated with your duplicity?

I have been to the links but nowhere did you provide answers to my five questions.

Please where did Muslims abuse God, let me have it.

Thanks

@pilgrims

I hear. That is not mine to worry about - your mystery that has helped you thus far make the claim of a LOST Torah and Injil is not what is going to help your deceit and hypocrisy to search for Muhammad in Deuteronomy and John's Gospel 14 through 16.

The thread is for lost and corrupted Torah and Injil, so dont try deflecting thread which you are well known for.

You have been parading yourself as miss-know-all responding to threads that do not concern and I think your time is up, so do justice to my questions and stop beating about the bush.

@pilgrims

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It seems you are having problem with that word, please if Muhammad is not a spirit, can the holy spirit be 'another' comforter when it is already in existence?

WHERE did ALLAH ever refer to Muhammad as THE SPIRIT?

Now it seemesd you are lost and I will still re-explain what I meant. For the fact that the verse mentioned 'spirit' doesnt mean that it referred to holy spirit. How could holy spirit replaces Jesus being a comforter as well.

For the fact that you are claiming that the verses referred to holy spirit, please:

Has holy spirit not been in existence?

Howmany holy spirits would we be having since on is in existence since creation

@pilgrims

When babs787 answers the questions he has been avoiding, THEN I will oblige you both some answers.

Hope you are seeing yourself, the deception you have been portraying all these while.

Please which of your question havent I answered?

This thread is for another question, so coming to write that you would respond when I did is a sign of your confusion and an escapist.

@pilgrims

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@olabowale,


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 04:46:05 PM
@Mrpataki: Have you heard about the 'Dead Sea Scroll?' Is there something to it? In the Bible, without going to details, you have indication where Jesus spoke about the hands of the scribes have changed the Book given to Moses.

Could you please reference WHAT EXACTLY was changed from what to what?

Meanwhile, how does that affect the claim that the TORAH is LOST?

Could you also do us the favour of explaining what Muslims have been doing trying to dribble Muhammad into Deuteronomy and John's Gospel when the consensus claim is that they are LOST? Have you checked out the meaning of LOST?

~ No longer in your possession or control; unable to be found or recovered

~ Incapable of being recovered or regained

If you claim something is LOST, what is the idea of trying to pretend that Muhammad is in the documents cannot be found? Is it not obvious duplicity to try to discredit the same Torah that your Muslim apologists have been forever trying to seek Muhammad in them?

Sorry, olabowale. . . you would have to deal with the question of a recovery of that which Muslims claim have been LOST, before we know what to do with the duplicity of claiming Muhammad has been in the same Torah that have never been LOST!

We know before, Professor of English Language, kindly respond to the questions please

@pilgrims

Where is the solution to the question as to WHERE Allah ever referred to Muhammad as THE HOLY SPIRIT?!?

Allah never referred to Muhammad as the spirit but please you have read the greek interpretation of that word. For the fact that you are seeing spirit there doesnt mean that it is referring to holy spirit based on the fact that:

1. The holy spirit has been in existence since creation.

2. Jesus being a comforter said that if he did not go, the comforter would not come. This shows that he is not referring to Holy spirt because it has been in existence.

3. We alrerady have the holy spirit and another one is coming, how many would we be having?

Be wise, accept Islam before its too late

@pilgrims


I have been there and even read Auwal87's post. You didnt say anything to my 5 questions and if you are to do that, I will agree that the verse is for holy spirit.

Part of the question is that has the holy spirit been in existence or not and if it has been and another is coming, how many would we be having?

Thanks

@pilgrims


You are seeing yourself now, you never answered my 5 questions only for you to be going in circles.


Islam is the Noah's ark of today, embark on it and be saved.

@Davidylan


I would have loved your intelligent , cunny sister to respond but since you have done that, I will only provide rebuttal to your and when she's around, I will give you biblical verses which are not inspired etc

So let me respond asap

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 11:59:31 AM
1. Was Moses given the the book of Genesis to Malachi??

How could Moses have been "given" the books of Joshua? Moses was already dead by the time Joshua led the Jews into the promised land.

In that case, what revelation did God give Moses
Since Moses didnt write the book mentioned, Did God give Joshua any book and do supply me the proof?
Did God give others revelation?

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 11:59:31 AM
2. Did he prophesised his death?

Scholars have already shown that the book of deuteronomy was completed by Joshua.

Completed by Joshua!! Your sister Shahan in one of threads said that it was compiled by Moses himself that he prophesised his death but you are now saying another thing Where is pilgrims now?

You also claimed that Joshua did the completion, Is the book of Deuteronomy not part of the story of Moses?

Is there are proof or evidence somewhere to show that God inspired Joshua to write or complete the you lied about?

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 11:59:31 AM
5. Do we have the book of Elias Jesus read in the bible?

The books of the prophets were actually reorded in written form and passed down from generation to generation. . . These books however were not compiled into bibles as we know it today. Ezra read the books of Moses when the temple was rebuilt.

Did you read your response yourself whre I highlighted? Where are the books now, are they not supposed to be part of the bible?

I'm sure you meant to say "book of Esaias" for Elias/Elijah did not write any books.

Sorry for that, I meant book of Esaias

The book of Esaias that Jesus Christ quotes are the same as the books of Isaiah and are infact PRESENT in the very bible you hold in your hands. Just 2 examples:

Pardon me! Are you saying that the book of Esaias is the same as the book of Isaiah? Then do we say that Jesus read the book of Isaiah huh?

Quote
Mathew 4: 14That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
  15The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
  16The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

Reference:
Isaiah 9: 1Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.
  2The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

Quote:
Mark 7: 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Reference:
Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Brother, you are shooting yourwelf in the leg. The verses mentioned the sayings of Esaias and we read somewhere where he read that book, please where is that book because the one you gave is part of the sayings of Esaias in that book, so where is that book in the bible?

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 11:59:31 AM
6. Are the authors disciples of Jesus?

Luke was not a disciple BUT he was a part of the early apostles. . .

Early apostles, during Jesus' time or after? He was not part of Jesus' disciples

he also wrote the book of acts.

Can I have your proof that Luke wrote books of Act?

Again what is the relevance of this question? Did you expect the books to be written by mohammed's uncle of the pharisees?

Now, get it straight, since you claimed that Luke is one his apostles, Did he know Jesus or was he around during Jesus's ministry and was that book of his meant for you?

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 11:59:31 AM
7. Were they around during Jesus' ministry?

This is awfully daft! Mathew, Mark, James, Peter and John WERE part of the 12 disciples.

Just like your sister Pilgrims have been avoiding questions. Who is really daft between you and I, Was Luke around during Jesus' ministry? I will still provide you verses that showed that the authors of the bible are different from the disciples of Jesus

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 11:59:31 AM
8. Did they witness his alleged 'crucifixion'?

Peter denied Jesus thrice.
John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

- Jesus spoke these ver words from the cross.

He he, I no fit laugh o, honestly I want to see Pilgrims' post before I provide verses on those questions asked. Hope you are aware that none of the authors witnessed the 'crucifixion because they all stood and watched from afar

- The "disciple whome He loved" was John the beloved, an apostle, who eventually wrote the books of John and Revelations.

So are you saying that John the disciples wrote those books? Please I will provide you verses that showed that none of them was inspired and never present during Jesus' ordeal.

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 11:59:31 AM
9. Is the bible 100% inspire?

Yes. For ALL scripture is given by the inspiration of God and . . .
SAdly the quran boasts no such scholarship.

I want you know that everybody has read what you posted and very soon, I will serve you verses that were not inspired and you will also tell me the position of some verses and the morals in such verses

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 11:59:31 AM
10. Is the bible 100% complete?

Yes. But wait! You seem to be interested in the wrong thing, has the quran solved its issues with "abrogated" verses?

Hope you are under the influence of anything. You claimed that the bible is correct when you havent provided the book Esaias and please hope you are aware that some verses are missing in some versions but present in another. Also some verses are not in the original manuscript but inserted later.

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 11:59:31 AM
Note: the above listed questions will bring out the truth about the bible, its origin, the authors, if it was 100% inspired etc.

What "truth"? Now let this be the last time you litter these boards with your unintelligent recycling of tired old "questions" that are actually a smokescreen for u dodging the REAL questions being asked of you.

I never dodged anything, this a thread for another question and not littering threads with same questions. You are theo ne interested in the corrupted Torah and Injil and I am ready to serve you same.

where is pilgrims, I want to see her usual rebuttal before providing verses, proofs on the corruption of the bible.

@pilgrims





You better accept Islam before its too late because this your maradona style dey make me laugh.

@noddy

I may not know the reason for the bruhaha between islam and christianity however wouldnt it be wise if we all faced our individual faiths and quit trying to get a reaction out of each other by coming up with heinous things that have been done in the name of God or Allah. One thing is for sure no matter how we try this world existed before a lot of us and to find an answer in one day about religion and God or Allah is damn straight impossible. Just be careful that in all this argument and counter argument one of y'all doesnt cross the line and insult God or Allah (which ever name suits you). Cos at the end of the day none of you will get medals or recognition for all this weird writings.

Nice post, thanks sister.

Pilgrims, over to you, will you still provide explanation?

@pilgrims

We will also know if the message is still the original given to the two of them through different versions we are having.

Some verses are missing in some versions but present in others.

When you provide answers to my earlier questions and the one the versions and missing verses, we will know if the original message has been lost and corrupted.We will also have a look at the original manuscript with regards to all the versions in existence. You can trust me for presenting you some missed verses from the bible I used when I was like you.

@pilgrims

Good. Then understand you just proved that Muhammad is NOT "the Prophet" in Deuteronomy 18, nor is he "the Comforter" in John's Gospel 14 to 16.

Any blabatory787 fabrication to dribble Muhammad into the Bible is a FRAUD!

You can see you weakness . You and your folks have been asking for the lost and corrupted Torah and Injil and I provided questions to bring out the truth but here you are dodging the questions and bringing another issue up. The thread is for Toah and Injil and that of John 14 v 16 is being attended in other threads so be bold enough and if only you cant answer those questions because they seemed too hard for you, you can call on Somze, cgift, Davidylan, mrpataki etc to bail you out

So here they are again and we will know if the bible you are holding is the original message given to Moses and Jesus respectively.


1. Was Moses given the the book of Genesis to Malachi??

2. Did he prophesised his death?

3. Was Jesus given the bible?

4. Was he given the book of matthew to revelation?

5. Do we have the book of Elias Jesus read in the bible?

6. Are the authors disciples of Jesus?

7. Were they around during Jesus' ministry?

8. Did they witness his alleged 'crucifixion'?

9. Is the bible 100% inspire?

10. Is the bible 100% complete?

Note: the above listed questions will bring out the truth about the bible, its origin, the authors, if it was 100% inspired etc.

So let us start miss-know-all

@pilgrims


You may continue decieving yourself for all I care. Just provide rebuttal on those verses.

When don maselo provides answers as to the simple FACT that Muslims are known for the sex-attack that have been documented, we will see the FRAUD that Islam is. When he spoke of "GOD", was he trying to prove the "GOD" in Islam is a different GOD than the One which Muhammad said has sent him?

Your attention is needed. Provide explanation to the verses provided therein.

@pilgrims

There:

(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.64.html#msg1643198)
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.64.html#msg1643234)
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.64.html#msg1643296)

John 14:26

I have been there and you didnt provide response to my 5 questions

@pilgrims.

Continue decieving yourself.

Please provide explanation to those verses on sex attack.

@pilgrims


Can you now see that you are a liar. He gave you verses on sex-atack and you replied him thus:

and you guys have no clue that when he speaks of "GOD" he has actually dragged the same "GOD" that Muhammad spoke about which the same hypocrite posted! Tis is the way you show your duplicity - it is okay to see don maselo as your new hero even when he makes such obvious super-hideous crass.

If for don maselo, it is okay to castigate "GOD" in the hope that he is running down the Bible, he does not surprise me how daft he is - and he little knows it. For the record, he simply has no ill effect on me; and he himself would have to face GOD on the Day of Resurrection/Judgement and answer to Him in that day!

If Muslims have anything intelligent to share, nobody holds them back. But when you guys begin to post your dross brains in a public Forum and olabowale blindly asks me net time if I have ever seen any Muslim abusing any prophet, I would kindly refer him to this thread to make him see that Muslims have abused "GOD" more than mere prophets. Enjoy the duplicity - it is the usual thing in Islam.

Can you provide response to those verses on sex-attack and others posted earlier?Olabowale that blindly asked question is now a gentleman, na real wa o

@pilgrims


Can you now see that you are a liar. He gave you verses on sex-atack and you replied him thus:

and you guys have no clue that when he speaks of "GOD" he has actually dragged the same "GOD" that Muhammad spoke about which the same hypocrite posted! Tis is the way you show your duplicity - it is okay to see don maselo as your new hero even when he makes such obvious super-hideous crass.

If for don maselo, it is okay to castigate "GOD" in the hope that he is running down the Bible, he does not surprise me how daft he is - and he little knows it. For the record, he simply has no ill effect on me; and he himself would have to face GOD on the Day of Resurrection/Judgement and answer to Him in that day!

If Muslims have anything intelligent to share, nobody holds them back. But when you guys begin to post your dross brains in a public Forum and olabowale blindly asks me net time if I have ever seen any Muslim abusing any prophet, I would kindly refer him to this thread to make him see that Muslims have abused "GOD" more than mere prophets. Enjoy the duplicity - it is the usual thing in Islam.

Can you provide response to those verses on sex-attack and others posted earlier?Olabolwale that blindly asked question is now a gentleman, na real wa o

@pilgrims


You have been asking for the position of the original message given to Moses and Jesus and here are questions for you to let us if the bible you are holding now is the same as the original message given to Moses and Jesus.

Escapist, here are the questions:


1. Was Moses given the the book of Genesis to Malachi??

2. Did he prophesised his death?

3. Was Jesus given the bible?

4. Was he given the book of matthew to revelation?

5. Do we have the book of Elias Jesus read in the bible?

6. Are the authors disciples of Jesus?

7. Were they around during Jesus' ministry?

8. Did they witness his alleged 'crucifixion'?

9. Is the bible 100% inspire?

10. Is the bible 100% complete?