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@pilgrims

You're a shameless LIAR and a FRAUD on top of everything!

Who has been a liar between you and I? You that LIED that Jesus read the bible and couldnt provide evidence and you claimed that the verses referred to Holy Spir8it but you have been avoiding my questions

Who has said that John 14:16 refers to none other than MUHAMMAD?

I did that and asked you questions on same too.

Have you lost your conscience or is it that duplicity is a special talent you possess? The reason why you find yourself chasing your tail is because pilgrim.1 doesn't deal with blatant liars whose sole business is to prove that Islam has nothing other to offer than make you the sort of fraud you are!

You need to read my posts for better understanding since you are now confused avoiding questions and muddling threads with same issue not meant for another thread. I gained a lot being a muslim than wehn I was in the dark and I learnt that you have not been ofeering anythjing ecfept going in circles, why not answer my questions in other threads if you are up to the task?

Until you begin to care for speaking the truth, you will continue to bleach your duplicity!

Truth has been very glaring but unfortunately you couldnt use your senses

Even Olabowale has pointed out to you that you're simply being dishonest!

I wonder what sort of training you received and what they do teach you in your church. Can you please bring it out where he said I was dishonest and if you cant, you are BIG LIAR AND A DISGRACE TO THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN WORLD.


The question has never been about the existence of the Holy Spirit - that was the smart but failed attempt you tried to substitute for your hogwash where it was clearly shown that Muhammad is NOT the Comforter spoken of in John 14 through 16. I pointed it clearly out to you by reading the verses in context - but the hypocrisy in your would not help you acknowledge that you and your slickers have been self-deceived into dribbling Muhammad into the Gospel of John.

The question has been on if the verse referred to Holy spirit or Muhammad in which you claimed that it referred to Holy Spirit and I provided questions which are:

1. What is the position of 'another' in that context?

2. Was Jesus a comforter or not?

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being?

4. Has the holy spirit been in existence or not?

5. Since you claimed that the verse referred to Holy spirit,. please how many spirits will we be having?

But you havent answered same.

You asked those questions again and again - and I offered answers straight from the Bible AGAIN and AGAIN:

(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.64.html#msg1643198)
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.64.html#msg1643234)
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.64.html#msg1643296)

I have been to the links but none has response to my questions above.

But, no. . . pretending to be as blind as a bat, you hypocritically came here to again expose your typical Muslim actus reus:

You have been using your aplogists style in avoiding questions



Have you shown anywhere that the Comforter is NOT the Holy Spirit? Did you conveniently blind yourself to John 14:26 after it has been quoted too many times? Here again:

Yes I have did and if you think I havent, here are the questions for you:

1. What is the position of 'another' in that context?

2. Was Jesus a comforter or not?

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being?

4. Has the holy spirit been in existence or not?

5. Since you claimed that the verse referred to Holy spirit,. please how many spirits will we be having?

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John 14:26
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."


I didn't make my own thoughts into that verse - it has been there all along and not one of your slickers could deny it!

Sure its not for Holy spirit and if it is ,please provide answers to my questions


Quote from: babs787 on Today at 10:21:15 AM
Common, be bold enough

I've been bold to name you for who you are:

Babs787, you are a FRAUD!

Please provide where Olabowale said I was dishonest and provide where Jesus read the bible and if you cant, you are a COMPLETE FAILURE.

Thanks

@[pilgrims

here:

(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.64.html#msg1643198)

I have been there but found out that you hve been avoiding same questions I have been asking you and here they are as posted in that link

. What is the position of 'another' in that context?

2. Was Jesus a comforter or not?

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being?

4. Has the holy spirit been in existence or not?

5. Since you claimed that the verse referred to Holy spirit,. please how many spirits will we be having?

(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.64.html#msg1643234)

I have been there as well, same questions which you avoided

1. What is the position of 'another' in that context?

2. Was Jesus a comforter or not?

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being?

4. Has the holy spirit been in existence or not?

5. Since you claimed that the verse referred to Holy spirit,. please how many spirits will we be having?

(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.64.html#msg1643296)

I have been there as well, same questions for you which you have been avoiding



1. What is the position of 'another' in that context?

2. Was Jesus a comforter or not?

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being?

4. Has the holy spirit been in existence or not?

5. Since you claimed that the verse referred to Holy spirit,. please how many spirits will we be having?

@pilgrims


Waiting under the saying of another person wont help, I have provided straight forward questions and replying same will make me believe that its for Holy spirit.

Here they are again:


1. Has the holy spirit been in existence or not?

2. Is Jesus a comforter or not?

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being?

4. what is the position of 'another' in that context?

5. What new things has it been telling apart from what Jesus did eg, fornication, adultery, theft, etc.

pilgrims

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Good. Then understand you just proved that Muhammad is NOT "the Prophet" in Deuteronomy 18, nor is he "the Comforter" in John's Gospel 14 to 16.

Any blabatory787 fabrication to dribble Muhammad into the Bible is a FRAUD!

This a thread for 'where is the Torah and Injil' and your response will determine if same has been lost and corrupted.

Oya escapist reply:

1. Was Moses given the the book of Genesis to Malachi??

2. Did he prophesised his death?

3. Was Jesus given the bible?

4. Was he given the book of matthew to revelation?

5. Do we have the book of Elias Jesus read in the bible?

6. Are the authors disciples of Jesus?

7. Were they around during Jesus' ministry?

8. Did they witness his alleged 'crucifixion'?

9. Is the bible 100% inspire?

10. Is the bible 100% complete?

@pilgrims


You are not even ashamed of yourself having been proving I-too-Know all these while but unfortunately for you, you couldnt provide answers to issues regarding your bible.

Bro. Olabowale made this statement:

Quote from: olabowale on October 25, 2007, 09:12 PM
We call these people orientalists. Jesus read the Bible is completely false!

And you lied going different direction:

Luke 4:16-20
"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him."

Now it has been glaring that you LIED providing verse where he read the book of Esaias and not the bible

Here are the questions again:

1. Did Jesus read the bible, provide your proof?

2. Was he given the bible or the gospel?

3. Did he read the bible or book of Esaias?

4. Is the book of Esaias part of the bible?

5. If the answer to 4 above is in affirmative, please where is that book in the bible?

Thanks

@pilgrims


You were mad at Don Maselo for bringing the truth out for you to see. I do tell you that when Muslims post anything in which you may be calling 'deriding', muslims are ready to provide proof from your bible and Quran.

Kindly provide your explanation on those verses since you are trying to make look as if Don Maselo blasphemed.

You aint see nothing yet

@pilgrims

You are now confused and wanted to shift the question to that of Muhammad not being the spirit and you have been posting same thinking that I mentioned Muhammad as the spirit.

Please,

you have been the one saying that the holy spirit would be another comforter and I asked you if it has not been in existence and how many would we be having but you tactically dodged and that painting every posts with same issues with I have refuted.

If the verse is referring to Holy spirit as you are claimng please do holy spirit speak or inspire/ Has it not been in existence and what has it told you regarding adultery, worship etc?

What is the position of the word 'another' in that verse?

Common, be bold enough

@pilgrims


You and your folks have been demanding for the lost, corrupted revelations and Babs is here to give it to you but you couldnt answer questions on same.

We want to know if the bible is the message given to Moses and Jesus respectively.

Here are the questions in case you missed


1. Was Moses given the the book of Genesis to Malachi??

2. Did he prophesised his death?

3. Was Jesus given the bible?

4. Was he given the book of matthew to revelation?

5. Do we have the book of Elias Jesus read in the bible?

6. Are the authors disciples of Jesus?

7. Were they around during Jesus' ministry?

8. Did they witness his alleged 'crucifixion'?

9. Is the bible 100% inspire?

10. Is the bible 100% complete?


Your answer will let us know if the original message (Torah and Injil) has been distorted, lost and corrupted. We will also go into the original manuscript to the position of the sl called bible you are holding today.

So waiting for your answers

@pilgrims


You may deny from now till tomorrow, you yourself know the truth but you are supressing same because of pride and arrogance.

Let us first go into what led to Muhammad being the Holy spirit.

I never said Muhammad is the holy spirit but you have been the one trying to interprete the verse to be referring to Holy spirit. If you are that confused because of the 'spirit' used there, please if the verse is referring to same

1. Has the holy spirit not been in existence? If it has been, expecting another spirit would be a blatant lie and how many spirits would we be having altogether?

2. What new things has it been telling regarding prostitution, fornication etc

3. What is the position of 'another' in that context.

4. Is jesus a comforter or not?

@pilgrims


Posting same issues in every threads will not help but I will advise you to relax and go through the verses if they refer to Holy spirit.

This is why you keep repeating yourself endlessly because your mental capabilities are so below average to rise to the level of a simple honest acknowledgment that Muhammad is NOT the Comforter!

Please you may cry till tomorrow but the truth has been established. You are claiming that Muhammad cannot be the comforter, please is Jesus a comforter or not? How could holy spirit replaces another human being when the spirit has been and already in existence?

So you keep ducking the obvious fabrication that you boasted about - when not even Olabowale would be this illiterate to deny what is so simple and clear for all to see in the verses above. You're such a joke - and your voodoo will never work on pilgrim.1.

Nobody is ducking but you are the one confusing yourself and littering threads with same issues. I am asking you, has the holy spirit not been in existence when Jesus said another would be coming?

The FRAUD of parading Muhammad as "the Comforter" of John's Gospel chapters 14 and 16 is OVER!! And you can go home and weep that Allah did not know Muhammad at all to be "THE SPIRIT" . . . so your Muslim professors can dig their heads in shame for deceiving themselves and the gullible slickers who tried to fabricate the LIES!!

You may deny the truth from now till eternity and I will be bringing same for you to see. You are confused at the word 'spirit' used therein. Your trying to say what I never said will not help because I never said that Allah referred to Muhammad as the spirit in the Quran or Hadith but gave even gave you the greek meaning of that word 'spirit'. You are confused because it was interpreted as same but since you are inclined to falsehood, not ready to learn, let us put aside the word 'spirit' and we face the verses from different angle which is

1. Has the holy spirit been in existence or not?

2. Is Jesus a comforter or not?

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being?

4. what is the position of 'another' in that context?

5. What new things has it been telling apart from what Jesus did eg, fornication, adultery, theft, etc.

What would you do now that it's clear Muhammad is NOT the one spoken of in John 14:16 & 26 as "The Comforter. . . which is THE HOLY GHOST"?!?

Provide answers to the questions above since the word 'holy spirit' is your headache.

I know your problem is the word 'spirit' and in order not to be wasting time, I have provided questions you need to answer to know if it referred to holy spirit or not.

Your FRAUD is staring you full circle: deal with your duplicity!

I have not committed any fraud but you have been feigning ignorance all these while saying what I never said in the first place.

@pilgrims


I am ignoring the response of others but directing questios towards you, you have been asking muslims to provide the lost and corrupted revelations and Babs is here to let you know that what you are holding now is NOT the original message given to Moses and Jesus.

So you cant hide, answer my questions and lets get to the root of the bible and we will know if same has been distorted, lost and corrupted.

Here are the questions again:



1. Was Moses given the the book of Genesis to Malachi??

2. Did he prophesised his death?

3. Was Jesus given the bible?

4. Was he given the book of matthew to revelation?

5. Do we have the book of Elias Jesus read in the bible?

6. Are the authors really disciples of Jesus?

7. Were they around during Jesus' ministry?

8. Did they witness his alleged 'crucifixion'?

9. Is the bible 100% inspired?

10. Is the bible 100% complete?



Thanks

@pilgrims


I am directing my questions to you because you have been acting as miss know all but learnt unfortunately that you have been a big liar and escapist.

In one of the threads opened specifically for you and I where I intend to unveil the mystery of the lost and corrupted Torah and Injil, I asked you some questions on same but you havent provided your answer.

Since you have been saying that the original message given to Moses and Jesus have not been distorted, lost and corrupted, I therefore asked you those questions and if you are able to answer them, I will agree that the OT and NT in existence now are the original message given to Moses and Jesus.

Your answer to my questions will unravel the origin of the bible, the real authors of the bible, did they ever see Jesus during his ministry etc.

So here are the questions again,


1. Was Moses given the the book of Genesis to Malachi??

2. Did he prophesised his death?

3. Was Jesus given the bible?

4. Was he given the book of matthew to revelation?

5. Do we have the book of Elias Jesus read in the bible?

6. Are the authors disciples of Jesus?

7. Were they around during Jesus' ministry?

8. Did they witness his alleged 'crucifixion'?

9. Is the bible 100% inspire?

10. Is the bible 100% complete?



Note: Babs is here to let you know that what you are calling bible is not the original message given to Moses and Jesus.



Thanks

@pilgrims



Your shakara wont help you, you cant pretend as if you didnt see my questions in earlier posts nad if you missed, here they are

1. What is the position of 'another' in that context?

2. Was Jesus a comforter or not?

3. Can holy spirit replaces human being?

4. Has the holy spirit been in existence or not?

5. Since you claimed that the verse referred to Holy spirit,. please how many spirits will we be having?


Thanks

@pilgrims

You and your cohort have been making noise about the 'lost' and 'corrupted' bible and I offered you questions for a start, frm there we will know if same has been lost and corrupted. Oya escapist, please now

@pilgrims


You aint see nothing yet, I need your response in all the opened threads. You are now confused and wanted to shift the question to that of Muhammad not being the spirit.

You have been the one saying that the holy spirit would be another comforter and I asked you if it has not been in existence and how many would we be having but you tactically dodged and that painting every posts with same issues with I have refuted.

If the verse is referring to Holy spirit as you are claimn,g please do holy spirit speak or inspire/ Has it not been in existence?
Common, be bold enough

@pilgrims

Littering threads with same issues wont help you, kindly answer my questions ,escapist. You are well known for that, the questions seemed to hard for you abi

@pilgrims

With regards to my last post, we can see that God approved it. The only punishment there is thatr YOU MUST MARRY THAT GIRL.

It means that christians can go for rape and will go free provided they marry the victim.

@pilgrim


Please do holy spirit speak or inspire?

@pilgrim


I will still continue to help you and not allow you wallow in your ignorance.

Please can holy spirit replaces human spirit?

How many holy spirits are we having since one is already in existence?

@pilgrims

Insert Quote
@cgift,

Howdy?


Quote from: cgift on Today at 01:17:40 PM
If these qustions are not good enough on one side, run from that side.

Lol. . . Muslims have always tried to make the questions "good enough". They can re-engineer their hypocrisies and fabricated fantacies to dribble Islam into parts of the Bible - the ultimate fabu which has been that they tried to make Muhammad into "the Holy Spirit" where Allah never called him so in the Qur'an or Hadith!

It seems you are having problem with that word, please if Muhammad is not a spirit, can the holy spirit be 'another' comforter when it is already in existence?

Haaaaarrgghh!!  

Pickthall was way too advanced for simpletons like Babs. . . but I can't wait to see the latter publish his own "blabation" (a contraction of 'translation' and 'blabbing')!

There are some threads for you already, so you can go there and we go to the lost and corrupted revelations with regards to the origin of the bible.


@cgift

y honourable Sis, I dey like beans
That fanatic them dey call babs, is a very good example of a confusionist. H should be in Confucianism and not Islam
You know what, I think babs should be working on his own translation of the quran like Pithall

We know you for that, you may call babs any name, its your problem.

@pilgrims


Insert Quote
@cgift,

Howdy?


Quote from: cgift on Today at 01:17:40 PM
If these qustions are not good enough on one side, run from that side.

Lol. . . Muslims have always tried to make the questions "good enough". They can re-engineer their hypocrisies and fabricated fantacies to dribble Islam into parts of the Bible - the ultimate fabu which has been that they tried to make Muhammad into "the Holy Spirit" where Allah never called him so in the Qur'an or Hadith!

It seems you are having problem with that word, please if Muhammad is not a spirit, can the holy spirit be 'another' comforter when it is already in existence?

Haaaaarrgghh!!

Pickthall was way too advanced for simpletons like Babs. . . but I can't wait to see the latter publish his own "blabation" (a contraction of 'translation' and 'blabbing')!

There are some threads for you already, so you can go there and we go to the lost and corrupted revelations with regards to the origin of the bible.


@cgift

y honourable Sis, I dey like beans
That fanatic them dey call babs, is a very good example of a confusionist. H should be in Confucianism and not Islam
You know what, I think babs should be working on his own translation of the quran like Pithall

We know you for that, you may call babs any name, its your problem.

@Pilgrims


You may still provide explanation to this:

Deut 22 v 28-29: If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

@pilgrim

Thank you so very much for living up to my predictions. . . if you didn't plaigiarize materials, your name would no longer have been BABS787!!

If you can find me where I ever plagiarize the posts to you, then you would have redeemed a bit of the new name tag of the FRAUD you are!!

Before leaving Islam, I already was familiar with the garboil from where you drew most of your cut-and-paste; although it has now been neatly dressed-up attractively. Below is the homepage and the relevant pages from where you often go and harvest your arguements and pretend you're better than you illiteracy:

(http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/contents.html) - Homepage
(http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch6.3.1.html) - Part II
(http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch6.3.html) - Part I

and in addition, one other which I also read through when while still a Muslim:

Juan R. I. Cole, "Behold the Man: Baha'u'llah on the Life of Jesus
(http://bahai-library.org/reviews/jesus.html)

Your problem, Babs787, is that you have no clues that you're dealing with someone who have deeply studied most sources while seeking God's truth - and that is how I spot you out so easily when you plagiarize articles from the internet! You're a fabulous FRAUD!

When you can address the simple question of WHERE Allah ever referred to Muhammad as THE HOLY SPIRIT in the QUR'AN or HADITH, then we shall move on. Failing to do that, you will never work you illiterate magic on pilgrim.1! NEVER!

You lost it this time, I didnt even lift anything from that link neither do I know that there is a site like that. They may have similar content or whatever, but the fact remains, I never did that .You may provide your rebuttal and stop avoiding issues.

@pilgrims


This is don maselo's post you were annoyed at

Quote from: don maselo on Yesterday at 04:45:25 PM
Once again God approves of forcible sex-attack.

Below is your response

. . . and you guys have no clue that when he speaks of "GOD" he has actually dragged the same "GOD" that Muhammad spoke about which the same hypocrite posted! Tis is the way you show your duplicity - it is okay to see don maselo as your new hero even when he makes such obvious super-hideous crass.

If for don maselo, it is okay to castigate "GOD" in the hope that he is running down the Bible, he does not surprise me how daft he is - and he little knows it. For the record, he simply has no ill effect on me; and he himself would have to face GOD on the Day of Resurrection/Judgement and answer to Him in that day!

If Muslims have anything intelligent to share, nobody holds them back. But when you guys begin to post your dross brains in a public Forum and olabowale blindly asks me net time if I have ever seen any Muslim abusing any prophet, I would kindly refer him to this thread to make him see that Muslims have abused "GOD" more than mere prophets. Enjoy the duplicity - it is the usual thing in Islam.

Since you are feigning ignorance, can you please explain the meaning of the biblical verses below:



1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.


Please before we continue, how did they know that they are virgins?


The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.



2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)


They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.


Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.


Who's order did the person here followed?



3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)



As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plund[/b]er. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

[b]
Who approved murder, rape, and slavery?



4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)



If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.


What kind of A PERSON would make a rape victim marry her attacker?






5) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)



Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]


7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)


"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."


Did you see where I highlighted?


Are you ok with those ones or you need more?

@pilgrim


You have been having problem with the lost and corrupted book, so here are questions for you to go to the root of the bible:


to unravel the mystery of lost and corrupted Torah, some questions for you please

1. Was Moses given the the book of Genesis to Malachi??

2. Did he prophesised his death?

3. Was Jesus given the bible?

4. Was he given the book of matthew to revelation?

5. Do we have the book of Elias Jesus read in the bible?

6. Are the authors disciples of Jesus?

7. Were they around during Jesus' ministry?

8. Did they witness his alleged 'crucifixion'?

9. Is the bible 100% inspire?

10. Is the bible 100% complete?


Thanks

@pilgrims


This is the link


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.32.html

@pilgrims, somze and Olwotee


Please go the link which she has been crying about and read my response

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.32.html

@pilgrims


Now, I have been asking you these questions but you have been ignoring, so I decided to open a fresh thread for my questions:

Bros. Olabowale told you that Jesus never read the bible and you provided a verse on the book of Elias, some questions for you here


1. Did Jesus read the bible, provide your proof?

2. Was he given the bible or the gospel?

3. Did he read the bible or book of Elias?

4. Is the book of Elias part of the bible?

5. If the answer to 4 above is in affirmative, please where is that book in the bible?

@pilgrim

You know what? Even you olabowale was not as arrogant as Babs787 - because you could not deny that the Comforter/Counsellor is called "the Holy Spirit"!!

Omo ti won ko ba ko nile, ita ni o to ma ko eko

I deliberately left out John 14:26 initially when I replied all of babs787's questions, because I knew it would be a matter of time before he would exhaust making a fool of himself!

Where did you answer him? You have started showing the stuff you are made, very uncouth human being and I know that there is no way you can go on without doing same. Keep it up, omo odod rere

Hoping he would have come round seeing the answer to his question as to whether "the Comforter" is "The Holy Spirit", he was so dense and blind as a bat to have missed it SEVERAL times!!! I let him expose himself that many times in his bold-faced DENIALS of the fact, so that readers could see the sort of person Babs really is!!

You may cry from now till tomorrow but a single question still for you, since you are claiming the verse is for holy spirit, has it been in existence or not?

But since you were far more intelligent and more responsible than Babs to have calmed down and then quote the verse directly, I have no choice at this point to help him see that his cherry-picking only further damages his illiterate posts!

I know you are very literate and that is the more reason, you have been going in circles and please I thnk you should have pictures of elders at home. I warned you earlier of your uncouth behaviour in which you apologised ut you have shown it again meaning that ko si bi a se le se ebolo, ki o ma run igbe.

First, I'll like to quote the confirmation that "the Comforter is the Holy Spirit" in the same verse from a few versions of the Bible:

Ok.

John 14:26 - The Comforter IS the Holy Spirit

how many holy spirits are we having since one has and still in existence?


(DRB - Douay Rheims)
"But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name"
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(Darby)
"but the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name"
- - -
(EMTV - English Majority Text Version)
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name"
- - -
(ALT - Analytical Literal Translation)
"But the Counselor [or, Helper], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name"
- - -
(ASV - American Standard Version)
"But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name"
- - -
(ESV - English Standard Version)
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name"
- - -
(KJV - King James Version)
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name"
- - -
(LITV - Literal Translation)
"but the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name"
- - -
(RV - Revised Version)
"But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name"
- - -
(Webster)
"But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name"
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(WNT - Weymouth New Testament)
"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send at my request"
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(YLT - Young's Literal Translation)
"and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name'


Now that it is clear for all to see that the Comforter was clearly identified by Jesus Christ Himself in the same Gospel of John:


Quote

(KJV - King James Version)
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name"

I can that the word 'spirit' is creating confusion in the christian world. Now, since that word is your problem, when you are claiming that the verse is referring to Holy spirit, has it not been in existence?

Does the holy spirit speak or inspire?

It must be pointed out that the original Greek manuscripts speak of a "Holy pneuma." The word pneuma {pnyoo'-mah} is the Greek root word for "spirit." There is no separate word for "Ghost" in the Greek manuscripts, of which there are claimed to be over 24,000 today. The translators of the King James Version of the Bible translate this word as "Ghost" to convey their own personal understanding of the text. However, a more accurate translation is "Holy Spirit." More faithful and recent translations of the Bible, such as the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), do indeed now translate it as "Holy Spirit." This is significant, and will be expounded upon shortly.

All Bibles in existence today are compiled from "ancient manuscripts," the most ancient of which being those of the fourth century C.E. Any scholar of the Bible will tell us that no two ancient manuscripts are exactly identical. All Bibles in our possession today are the result of extensive cutting and pasting from these various manuscripts with no single one being the definitive reference.

What the translators of the Bible have done when presented with such discrepancies is to do their best to choose the correct version. In other words, since they can not know which "ancient manuscript" is the correct one, they must do a little detective work on the text in order to decide which "version" of a given verse to accept. John 14:26 is just such an example of such selection techniques.

John 14:26 is the only verse of the Bible which associates the Parakletos with the Holy Spirit. But if we were to go back to the "ancient manuscripts" themselves, we would find that they are not all in agreement that the "Parakletos" is the Holy Spirit. For instance, in the famous the Codex Syriacus, written around the fifth century C.E., and discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs.Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit.".


In the famous "Anchor Bible" we find the following quote: "The word parakletos is peculiar in the NT to the Johnannine literature. In John ii Jesus is a parakletos (not a title), serving as a heavenly intercessor with the Father , Christian tradition has identified this figure (Paraclete) as the Holy Spirit, but scholars like Spitta, Delafosse, Windisch, Sasse, Bultmann, and Betz have doubted whether this identification is true to the original picture and have suggested that the Paraclete was once an independent salvific figure, later confused with the Holy Spirit." ((The Anchor Bible, Doubleday & Company, Inc, Garden City, N.Y. 1970, Volume 29A, p. 1135)

We are able to note some things from that same verses which are:

1. The Holy spirit does not speak but inspire

The Greek word translated as "hear" in the Biblical verses ("whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak" is the Greek word "akouo" {ak-oo'-o} meaning to perceive sounds. It has, for instance, given us the word "acoustics," the science of sounds. Similarly the verb "to speak" is the Greek verb "laleo" {lal-eh'-o} which has the general meaning "to emit sounds" and the specific meaning "to speak." This verb occurs very frequently in the Greek text of the Gospels. It designates a solemn declaration by Jesus (peace be upon him) during his preachings (For example Matthew 9:18). Obviously these verbs require hearing and speech organs in order to facilitate them. There is a distinct difference between someone "inspiring" something and him "speaking" something. So the Paraclete will "hear" and "speak," not "inspire."


2. The Holy spirit was already with them:


Genesis 1v 2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

1 Samuel 10v 10 "And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them."

1 Samuel 11 v 6 "And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly."

Isaiah 63 v 11"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?"

Luke 1 v 15 "For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."


3. Jesus too is a Paraclete:

The word "Paraclete" is applied to Jesus (peace be upon him) himself in 1 John 2:1

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate(parakletos) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

Notice how the translators have managed to translate this exact same word one way (advocate) in reference to Jesus and another (comforter) with regard to the coming "parakletos."

Also;

"we have an advocate(parakletos) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous"

aND

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another advocate(parakletos)."


We have been able to see from the above that Jesus was a paraclete too and another comforter cannot be Holy spirit but a man like him. Let us continue


4. 'another' comforter

If the comforter is the Holy Ghost then how many Holy Ghost's are there? The word "another" is significant. We have already seen how this term is applied to Jesus himself. In English, "another" may mean "One more of the same kind" or "one more of a different kind." If the latter were the one intended then the current Christian interpretation might bear some merit. However, if "One more of the same kind" was what was intended then this is positive proof that the coming Paraclete would be just like Jesus, a human being and a prophet, not a ghost. The actual Greek word used was the word "allon" which is the masculine accusative form of "allos" {al'-los}: "Another of the SAME kind." The Greek word for "another of a different kind" is "heteros" {het'-er-os}.


Prof. Abdul-Ahad Dawud (formerly Rev. David Benjamin Keldani, Bishop of Uramia) says:

"The adjective 'another' preceding a foreign noun for the first time announced seems very strange and totally superfluous. There is no doubt that the text has been tampered with and distorted." (Muhammad in the Bible, Prof. Abdul-`Ahad Dawud, p. 211)

"The Paraclete is a parallel figure to Jesus himself; and this conclusion is confirmed in the fact that the title is suitable for both. It is clear from 14:16 that the source thought there were sendings of two Paracletes, Jesus and his successor, the one following the other" (The Gospel of John a Commentary, Rudolf Bultmann, p. 567)



5. "He" not "It":

Notice the use of "he" when referring to the Paraclete and not "it." If we read John 16:13, we will find no less than SEVEN occurrences of the masculine pronoun "He" and "Himself." There is not another verse in the 66 books of the Protestant Bible or the seventy three books of the Catholic Bible which contains seven masculine pronouns, or seven feminine pronouns, or even seven neuter genders. So many masculine pronouns ill befits a ghost, holy or otherwise. The word "Spirit" (Greek, pneu'ma), is of a neutral gender and is always referred to by the pronoun "it."


6. Sin, righteousness, and error:

The coming comforter, we are told, will demonstrate the error of the world regarding sin, righteousness, and judgment "he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment." This is indeed what Muhammad did. He came to the world to show them how they had been misguided in "sin" by believing that mankind can inherit sin (see last quarter of chapter one, and Ezekiel 18:19-20) and that someone's sin can be forgiven by the sacrifice of others. He also showed them how they had been misguided in "righteousness" by believing that a righteous person is one who has "faith" in the crucifixion and does nothing else (Romans 3:28), or who believes that another man's death will make him a righteous person (Romans 5:19). And they were misguided in "judgment" by believing that they will be judged by "faith" and other people's deeds and not their own deeds (Mark 16:16), or that God's "judgment" was to punish all mankind for the sin of one man (Romans 5:16, 5:18).

Muhammad taught that the unscrupulous had altered the words of Jesus .He taught that no one will be held accountable by God for anyone else's sin. He emphasized that God has made this a life of work and the next life one of reward and no work. He also revealed that mankind will be judged individually according to their own individual faith and actions and no one else's


7. That he may abide with you for ever:

In these verses, Jesus (peace be upon him) is quoted as saying that the coming Paraclete will "abide with you forever." What does he mean by this? In order to understand this statement, let us read

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying." (John 8:51-55)


So the religion of Islam is the last message to mankind and it, as well as the Qur'an, will abide with them forever. To this day, Muhammad abides with us through his teachings. Muhammad indeed remains alive and well among us in the vast collection of over 9,500 quotations recorded from him during his lifetime in a broad range of topics. This collection of quotations is named the "Hadith." To this day, whenever a Muslims wishes to perform any action no matter how trivial, he does not advance a single step before first consulting Allah/God (in the Qur'an), and then prophet Muhammad (in the Hadith). Be it a question on how and what to eat or drink, how to perform marriages, how to pray, what sort of trade or commerce is permissible or prohibited, or what sort of clothes to wear, no Muslim presumes to undertake any action before first obtaining the approval of God then His prophet. Muhammad truly is alive and well among us.

Jesus had "the whole truth" and had many things he longed to teach his disciples but he could not give it to them because they "cannot bear them now." These matters would only be revealed six centuries later by God through the agency of Muhammad .What new truths has the Holy Spirit guided us into after the departure of Jesus which Jesus had no say in?



Very important: The Paracletos will be the last prophet, because he will "abide with you forever" and "he will guide you into all truth" (Greek "into the whole truth" and "he shall teach you all things," so there will be no need for any further prophets. In the Qur'an we read:

"Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is Aware of all things." (The noble Qur'an, , al-Ahzab(33):40)


8. He shall not speak of himself:

"For he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak:"
The statement remind us of the verses of Deuteronomy 18:18-19 :

" I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him."

It is also interesting to read the words of the Qur'an:

"Nor does he (Muhammad) speak of his own desire. It is but an Inspiration that is inspired [unto him]" (The noble Qur'an, Al-Najm(53):3-4)


9. He shall bring all things into your remembrance:

The prophesy of this coming comforter requires that he shall remind mankind of the words of Jesus. Jesus is speaking here not to those who disbelieved, but to his own followers. He is telling his followers that the comforter shall "remind" them of the message of Jesus. However, if the followers of Jesus already know and remember all that Jesus taught then how shall the comforter "remind" them of something which they already remember? Obviously, the coming comforter shall come in a time when the teachings of Jesus have been forgotten and require one to "remind" Jesus' followers of them. Indeed, the Qur'an does in fact confirm this same situation. We read:

Quran 5 v 14 - 16: "And from those who said: "We are Christians," We took their covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message which was sent to them. Therefore We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection, and Allah will inform them of what they used to do. O people of the Scripture! Now has Our messenger (Muhammad) come to you, explaining to you much of that which you used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. Indeed, there has come to you a light from Allah and a plain Scripture. Wherewith Allah guides him who seeks His good pleasure unto paths of peace. He brings them out of darkness by His will into light, and guides them to a straight path."

Also

Quran 15 v 9; "Verily, it is We who have sent down 'The Reminder' and it is We who shall preserve it"

Lastly:


He will show you things to come:

There were many prophesies made in the Qur'an and in the Sunnah (tradition) of the prophet Muhammad himself. For instance, in the opening verses of the chapter of al-Room (The Romans), we read:

Quran 30 v 2-6: "The Romans have been defeated. In the lowest/closest land, and they, after their defeat will be victorious. Within ten years. Allah's is the command in the former case and in the latter and in that day the believers will rejoice. In Allah's support to victory. He helps to victory whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Merciful. It is a promise of Allah. Allah fails not His promise, but most of mankind know not. They know only some appearance of the life of the world, and are heedless of the Hereafter"

When Islam was still in its infancy and its followers were being severely persecuted, tortured, and killed by the pagan idol worshipers of Arabia (Quraish), there were two "Superpowers" near by. They were the Romans and the Persians. The pagans of Arabia used to like to see the Persians victorious against the Romans because the Persians were pagans like them. However, the Muslims liked to see the Romans victorious because they were "people of the book." About this time, the Romans suffered a resounding defeat to the Persians that seemed to signal the end of the Roman empire. The pagans of Arabia were ecstatic. They went out of their way to hold this defeat over the heads of every Muslim they would encounter. They said: "Just as the Christians in Rome have been crushed by the pagans of Persia, so shall we crush you." This was psychological warfare against the Muslims which they were adding to the physical torture they were subjecting the Muslims to. It was at this time that these verses were revealed to Muhammad ( consoling him and the Muslims in general that matters were not as they seemed, and that the Romans would come back and defeat the Persians within "Bidh'u" years. "Bidh'u" is an Arabic word that means "between three and nine." This prophesy did indeed come true and the Romans were once again victorious against the Persians, at the same time, the Muslims achieved their first strategic victory against the pagans of Arabia in the battle of Badr.

Mr. Abdullah Yusuf Ali, in his commentary on the Qur'an narrates the following explanation of the above verses:

"The remarkable defeats of the Roman Empire under Heraclius and the straits to which it was reduced are reviewed in Appendix No. 6 (to follow this Sura). It was not merely isolated defeats; the Roman Empire lost most of its Asiatic territory and was hemmed in on all sides at its capital, Constantinople. The defeat, "in a land close by" must refer to Syria and Palestine, Jerusalem was lost in 614-15 AD, shortly before this Sura was revealed.

The Pagan Quraish of Makkah rejoiced at the overthrow of Rome by Persia. They were pro-Persian, and in their heart of hearts they hoped that the nascent movement of Islam, which at that time was, from a worldly point of view, very weak and helpless, would also collapse under their persecution. But they misread the true Signs of the times. They are told here that they would soon be disillusioned in both their calculations, and it actually so happened at the battle of Issus in 622 (the year of Hijrat) and in 624, when Heradius carried his campaign into the heart of Persia and the Makkan Quraish were beaten off at Badr.

Bidh'un in the text means a short period-a period of from three to nine years. The period between the loss of Jerusalem (614-15) by the Romans and their victory at Issus (622) was seven years, and that to the penetration of Persia by Heraclius was nine years. See last note.

The battle of Badr (2 A.H. = 624 AD) was a real time of rejoicing for the Believers and a time of disillusionment for the arrogant Quraish, who thought that they could crush the whole movement of Islam in Madinah as they had tried to do in Makkah, but they were singly repulsed."


Brat, read and provide rebuttal.


Salam, the door of Islam is still open. The wise pray five times daily. Do not die in ignorance

@somze

babs quit all this your gimmicks

WHERE did ALLAH ever refer to Muhammad as "THE SPIRIT"?
Has Muhammad been in existence since the creation of heaven and earth?

If you have been following the thread, you would have read where your sister tried putting holy spirit in place of another comforter and I told her that the holy spirit cannot be another comforter that the holy spirit has been in existence but I learnt that you dont read posts before making your own contribution. You may go to the posts and read for yourself. The verses cannot be for holy spirit because 'another' can never be holy spirit. HGoly spirit can never replaces human spirit and please does it speak or inspire and when you provide answer, I will give you greek meaning of the words

@pilgrims


Continue going round in circles, my questions again:


1. Since you claimed that it referred to Holy spirit, has it not been in existence?

2. Can holy spirit replaces human spirit?

3. What is the position of 'another' in that context?


Thanks and please dont try deflecting topic.

You havent provided answer to trhe questions on Jesus reading the bible

@pilgrim

Hope you are aware that there are still other chapters making reference to Muhammad in the bible and if you need them, I can supply same from the bible backing it up with similar verses from the Quran.