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surgical:
you seems different,i know you are a party man,but your response is civil without insults like others
Weldone.

Lol. Who told you that I'm a party man?

Well, insulting someone for having a dissenting view is highly unsophisticated and belittling. We gats maintain decorum and peace. Peace is not when everyone agrees. It is when we can respect our disagreements and still play in the sandbox together.

Great2017:
We are talking about election merchandising and not integrity. Stop deflecting our argument.

Since, you claimed winning elections in developed countries is by buying and selling. Kindly name just 10 developed countries where the winning of elections is by buying and selling.

Well, since they're advanced, they'll surely have advanced means of "buying and selling" votes. I've never actively taken part in the electioneering process in any developed country, hence I'll limit the scope of this discuss to Nigeria, where, atleast, I have.

surgical:
no only 2015, the point is that he can loose.not that he has won every election since 1999

You need to understand that Tinubu is the leader of the party, and not the party itself. APC has a very solid structure in Lagos that can win election anytime anyday, with or without Tinubu.

surgical:
you are very wrong,not all Yorubas support tinubu brand of politics,in a free and fair elections tinubu will loss , you can take that to the bank

Are you saying elections have always been rigged in favour of APC since 1999?

Timatayo1:
E go still happen

Maybe in the far future. Just maybe!

xcellentgraphic:
Let me tell u ...why it is hard for any other party to win Lagos....

Because APC for many years has become a brand in every family Lagos.....check any nuclear or extended family in Lagos you will find an APC members.....even banks, Markets and several organisations.... You will find multitude APC members.

Its will be very hard to take Lagos from APC.

The party is love because it has been performing and carrying its stakeholders along. The only way APC can be weakened or uprooted in Lagos is if it has a non performing governor like the Kerosene guy

Great2017:
Can you name just 10 elections in the developed world that were traded to the highest bidder?

Is there any nation as developed as the US? If they questioned the integrity of their election and the upcoming one, what then will be said of developing and underdeveloped ones.

Great2017:
So, winning an election under the APC has become a commodity that is now traded for the highest bidder. It is no longer the people's votes that should win elections.

Anyway, Edo, my beloved ancestral home, is not on sale.

You think elections are won or lost solely by the ballot? Most elections are won and lost before the election day

Its also to prevent their police from compromising during the elections. Sex needs energy. Energy needs food. And Food needs money. And sometimes, Money requires compromise

Higgies:
But don't you also think people my just want to revolt or just give the other guy their votes out of sympathy

Oshomole's arrogance and highhandedness caused it in Edo. What will trigger Lagos'? Mind you, these things don't just happen

Higgies:
It is not impossible.

Otoge mantra might do some magic !

I don't know sha...I'm not a Lagos voter.

Otege worked/works were there in oppression and deep political divide. It further does where the government in power has totally failed itself and its people. These can truly not be said for Lagos state. Tinubu, Fashola, Ambode truly delivered, and the incumbent is doing same.

Just like his colleague said Obaseki will win. These men should respect themselves and stay off the murky waters of politics.

Daum:
If you mean the defection then you're right in a way. The APC rejected Obaseki and the PDP took him in and Edo people gifted him and the PDP an extra 4 years to pilot Edo affairs

Its was Oshomole that rejected Obaseki and not APC.

dangermouse:
Who n who did the demystication? Edo people voted and made thier votes count. They rejected APC and the undesirable elements within the party that wanted to hijack thier common wealth. The election itself was free and fair and nothing Aso rock can do to reverse it. QED

You mentioned Edo's Commonwealth. Regarding Obaseki's alignment with PDP, why did that emperor call his comrades "Tax collectors"?

And mind you, Edo people didn't vote against APC, they voted sympathetically for Obaseki. Also, many components in APC were fully in support of him. All just to rubbish Oshomole and Tinubu.

Daum:
How can you say Edo is a gift
84000 gap does it look like a gift to you

A gift is something given to another voluntarily. Or something gained accidentally, without effort. Doesn't this describe how PDP got Obaseki, hence Edo state?

joyandfaith:
if you remove thuggery and tribalism, pdp can snatch apc but not October 31.

Tribalism can never be removed from politics. Core/real Lagosians see it as a duty to preserve the sanctity of the party in the state. The majority of votes that PDP gets in Lagos usually comes from non indigenes

NextGovernor:
At least all those state you mentioned doesnt have puppet as Governors. Just the way one man is determining the fate of SW.

People erroneously think Tinubu singlehandedly dictates Lagos politics. He simply aligns his interest in the collective interest of his people. When they said NO to Ambode's second terms bid, he joined them in saying NO.

arsenalLUVA:
You haven’t freed Delta and all the SS states(Edo exclusive) that have been ruled by Pdp since 1999, Abia which is the worst state in Nigeria and has been ruled by Pdp since 1999 but you want to free Lagos.

Apc shot themselves in the foot with regards to Edo state but these ones are forming political John wick when they haven’t saved their own homes. Pathetic!

They're simply putting their best foot forward, but they'll be threading on a very different and dangerous terrain. Lagos is the home and bedrock of ACN/APC.

LibertyRep:
Na wah o.

They should rather direct their energy towards Ondo.

It doesn't appear PDP has a formidable structure in Lagos.

Even if they triple their Edo energy, they can't win Ondo. Edo was simply traded just to demystify Tinubu and finally relegate Oshomole

SmartProf:
The pepper dem gang.

Really? I see them as local champions

Edo, Rivers, Bayelsa, Benue and Zamfara were gifts from APC to PDP

Come October 31st 2020, two bye-elections will be conducted by INEC in Lagos state. This is sequel to the demise of member representing Kosofe Constituency II (Hon. Tunde Braimoh) in the LSHA and the Senator representing Lagos East in the Red Chambers, Sen. Adebayo Osinowo. Both of the APC.

For the Senatorial election, the PDP has presented Babatunde Gbadamosi, while Adetokunbo Abiru will fly APC's flag. Similarly, Sikiru Alebiosu has been fielded by PDP to slog it out with APC's Wasiu Saheed. Eleven others will join the the Senate contest, while seven others are included in the State Assembly poll.

However, following PDP's recent victory in Edo state and the accompanying humiliation of Oshomole and Tinubu, the party will deploy its latest bride - Obaseki, its emperor - Wike, its torchbearer in the SW - Makinde and others to drum support for its candidates and pepper dem again by securing victory for the party. This team is also expected to midwife the party's inroad into Lagos and boost its quest to totally "free" Lagos from the hands of its perceived oppressor(s) come 2023. A tall order, isn't it?

To the political pundits, I ask:
1. Is Obaseki, Wike and by extension the entire PDP fighting a lost battle or biting more than they can chew?
2. Is this a case of "Edo no be Lagos" taken too far?
3. Is the heat truly on the Lion of Bourdillon? And can he survive it?
4. Is Lagos truly oppressed, and if Yes, can it ever be emancipated?

Well, only time will tell. But I so like and respect Jagaban's style and brand of politics. The man, now taunted by many, has worked so hard for what he has, and is loved and loyalled to by many. Consequently, attempts to politically bring him down will be met with stiff resistance, not just in Lagos, but nationally.

My people dey say: We greet the deaf not because they'll hear us, but we do so that the gods will bear us witness that we bear no malice against the deaf.

ibuildstuff:
On what ground?

Same grounds the PDP in 2016 approached the court to disqualify Obaseki

Being born in Nigeria is seriously a disadvantage, and automatically, life don lead you with 1-0. Buhari govt com make you owe 155k+ add, scoreline become 2-0. If your parents no get money or connect; 3-0. And if you no com get sense, baba, na 4-0.

Mehn, no be small challenge to overturn 4-0 lead o!

Gondonu:
No right thinking person should have any ground to sue against anything arising from the Edo election.Strangely, it's one of the most generally peaceful except for some pockets of skirmishes.The certificate issues are totally non issue.

Your talk is purely sentimental. But unfortunately, sentiments and opinions have no place in law. You can't put/build legality on illegality and expect it to stand in the eyes of the law.

APC can push for Obaseki's disqualification based on discrepancies in his certificate(s). They can win (the Bayelsa case readily comes to mind) and heavens will not fall.

israelmao:
No court will overturn an election described as freest and fairest election since the coming of this administration.

And what if Obaseki is disqualified, just like it happened to the Bayelsa APC candidate?

APC won the Bayelsa guber election on the field, same way PDP just won the Edo election. We know who is governing Bayelsa today.

One4me:
Your guesses are correct and l commend you for being this observant of events.

But you missed the BIGGEST CLUE.

The BIGGEST REASON, the reason why "Federal Might" was completely absent (even Obaseki was using "State Might" and Wike was flexing muscle!) is because BUHARI HAS GIVEN UP ON APC.

Let me elaborate without getting into a detailed, long story:
- Buhari knows he does not have any other "Third Term" to contests for.
- Buhari is interested more in Fulani hegemony, elongation of Northern Presidency, come 2023 and he is working for it.

- By agrreements and arraignments within the APC, the North/Buhari has had its 8yrs and the Presidency must move to the South come 2023.
- Looking at his Policies since the beginning of his second term (Herdsmen, Waterways Bill, RUGA, over 200% Increase in Electricity Tarrif, increase in Fuel Price, Stamp Duty, etc, it is obvious Buhari does not give a hoot about how Nigerians percieve him and APC anymore.
He is not concerned if APC looses next election.
Or why would a Buhari who wants the APC to win an election in two weeks time, chose that period to increase the price of Fuel and Electricity?

- Dismantling the APC NEC and imposing Northerners in the Acting NEC (thereby siezing the party he came to, as a distant minority!). How do you expect those Northeners to go to Edo and convince them to vote for APC?
- Siezing APC for improving it or for destroying it? The Result of this election is one of the ways to look at the answer.

- Buhari is predicting that PDP will present a Northerner in 2023 (Atiku, most likely) and he does not want a viable APC (as a Party) that can be pose a challenge to the Northern candidate of PDP (Atiku0, in 2023 such that the North retains Power in 2023.
- Using "Federal Might" in Edo will make APC stronger and that is against Buhari's vision of Northern domination of Nigeria and his Northern agenda in 2023.
- In Kogi, where his "annointed boy" was seeking re-election, did you not see what happened, the brazen use of Security agencies (not in support of election rigging though) and Federal Might? So, it is not that he has suddenly become a Democrat or is afraid of US ban or any external stimuli like that, it has to do with BUHARI VISION FOR NIGERIA COME 2023.

So, who are the winner and loosers here?
Loosers are Southerners in general and the APC members who invested in the party, in particular. Other loosers are the likes of Oshiomole, Tinubu, Ize-Iyamu (though he was more of a PDP person than APC.), etc.

Winners: Northerners in general, Atiku and PDP as a party. Other winners are Obaseki, Wike, Secondus and other fringe party members across the country.

But the major looser is Nigeria as a country because Buhari is all about Mediocrity and Ethnic Nepotism.

You're right. PMB has just one agenda in mind, viz: the Northern Agenda, and it cuts across party lines. He is willing to trade anything to see it materialize. I really pity southern APC loyalists.

ecolime:
Take it or leave it, the zero Federal influence is simply to humiliate and demystify both Tinubu and Oshiomole.

Buhari is damn happy at the moment.

BTW, Congrats to the good people of Edo state. You all made it possible.

True. But this will seriously weaken and affect the party ahead of 2023. As it stands now, PDP has totally captured SS and all but one state in SE. Come 2023, they'll simply drag votes with APC in the north, same thing Shuaibu did with Oshomole in their LGA.

Buhari has really really weakened APC. The guy isn't a party man. If PDP presents a northern Presidential candidate (which I'm sure that's what they'll do), when APC will be seriously defeated.

Forget US, UK or EU ban. The election was between a candidate of Buhari led APC against that of Tunubu led APC. The victory is for Buhari, that's why the election was like that.

PDP should expect a very different ball game in Ondo.

AFONAMARO:
POI had contested under PDP and equally lost. He felt aligning with Oshomole and APC will give him victory as he thought that was how Obaseki won.

Today, he (POI) has same party, structure and perceived support he thought gave Obaseki victory, yet, he's losing.

My point is, POI is a serial looser irrespective of who he aligns with. He should re-evaluate himself politically

The major factor that led to POI's defeat was that many components (particularly Northern) within and outside APC wanted to totally humiliate and relegate Oshomole, and further deflate Tinubu ahead of 2023.

If Oshomole, and by extension Tinubu, hadn't taken this contest very personally, POI would have stood a greater chance of winning. Many people became sympathetic to Obaseki, hence voted for him.

AFONAMARO:
Give me 2 clear reasons why you think POI should have won on a good day? Is he better than Godwin in anyway?

Let's eliminate the factors (forces) backing him (POI) up, he won't even win in 6 LGA's. The man is a serial looser!

Assuming Obaseki remained in APC (with Osho baba not supporting him) and POI flew PDP's flag. Don't you think the narrative would have been different?