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@ Olabowale
You talk as if only Christians convert to Islam. Have you forgotten that Muslims do the same? I attended an Islamic School and I am very Used to this Kind of Statements.

The anger of Islamists is that They want pure religion The arabs as the purest and the others as the outsiders The arab Muslim man can marry ay one But it is Aram for a Black man to marry a Arab girl except she has to run away and be caught and killed honourably if i am lying ask our brothers in Libya dem go tell you.

There is segregation in any religion tribe or civilization. forget about your own religion? Fraud and lies is steering at Islam in the face and You look outside: Look at ogrish.com you will see what my rugged muslim brothers are doing? Arab want to Islamize the world but they have failed and will still fail because The bible standeth sure.

You say Jesus is not a Jew? I cant but Laugh If you like know the Chief High Priest CAIPHAS. JESUS IS REGARDED AS THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH his genealogy is ISREAL Infact the Inscription on his crucifix is written as JESUS KING OF THE JEWS It written LATIN GREEK AND JEWISH. You attack him in your wrte ups alot and i dont care you like him or not he is GOD YOUR MAKER YOU SHALL STAND TRIAL.

I went to a muslim School I know the doctrines very well that they put in the heads of their followers there is no amount of Insult you can Insult Jesus My GOD That will Move me He Was spat, he was slapped, but where are they now only the name of Jesus is healing delivering people from the power of sin and even saving Muslims and you are saying all kinds of things. I always say Accuse Jesus of sin and let me see. WHO IS MUHAMED? A mere man that cooked up all the religion of Asia and other parts of the world said ISLAM is the new one.

please I maintain Islam is a fraud and there are many books that point to the fact READ "WHO IS THIS ALLAH" Written by a Moslem Converted to Christ, SATANIC VERSES now protected.

There many other Apologetics you will be cleared on the bible truths: how can killing a person be holy War?

@babs

Dont make me laugh I have read many books on the history of islam and it is simply common sense to be quiet and not make this statements you must know that After the destruction of The temple Jews were chased out of Jerusalem and scattered all over Mr Muhamed learnt alot about the Jewish God and tried to Modify him to a local one so that all his people will worship him remember at that time The Arabians Worshipped several gods and you know where there kept the gods. Why is that that place did not go with the gods

If you look well The Christians Jews Ran to The Muslim Stronghold because of persecution from Rome. There was no problem with Christian and Muslim until Christianity was made a state religion. Already The Muslim fold is based on Religion and state trying to copy Judaism.

Muhamed's Morality is brought into question so many times. His Vicious campaign to conquer the world with his new religion was noticed by a Byzantie ruler.

You must know that Islam Is a blend of so many traditions but it has failed woefully, Ponder On this Isreal In middle of Several Islamic nations.

A fool says in his heart there is no God. The accounts of the bible that you have put that you claim contradict themselves is extremely short sighted.

In fact you had the answer to all the contradiction you had stated at the begining of your statement.

The bible has accounts and statements picked up by people and were inspired of the holy ghost to write even some of the disciples of Jesus did not understand Jesus's saying whilst he was with them Physically.

You and I know that when we are in a class room learning we get different angles and picture because of memory. But we must get the true import of what our teacher lecturer master pastor Imam says.

In the same vain when considering the account aspect of the bible we must know that GOD himself put the different account is there for all to see. He knows that we are smart.

let me deal with The so called anormaly.

1) God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

Yes God was satified here Gen1 : 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Yes God was sad that he made man and that they were sinning. The only Thing that turns God's heart is sin. If you have a son and he is wrong and you correct him with the whip it does not make you different from who you are.

2) God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
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" 11Thus Solomon finished the house of the LORD, and the king's house: and all that came into Solomon's heart to make in the house of the LORD, and in his own house, he prosperously effected.

12And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.

13If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

14If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

15Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

16For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually"


Please read the whole text there is a prerequisite for God. MY GOD is not a robot. You that he created you are no robot either if you are in a place and it is dirty you move out if you cant stay the filth.
Acts 7 v 48

47But Solomon built him an house.

48Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

49Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

50Hath not my hand made all these things?

51Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


The house solomon built for him was that if there was righteousness PEPERTUALLY HE WILL DWELL THERE, THIS WAS A GREAT PRIVILEDGE GIVEN TO MAN. Gods presence in the bible means so many things and the reason is that when he tried coming directly the people were scared. Atimes God presnces was a pillar of fire by night and a cloud by day.

Gods leg is on earth his presence is here my brother.[/b]

3) 3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
Yes God is not Light if you want light and darkness if you want him dark just as you will show your child the correct way to live when he or she goes wrong doesnt mean you are not the same person?

4) God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

same as Number 4 His sheep hear him bats make noise you cant hear does not mean they dont communicate you are not of there own fold.

5) God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
Rest is what the bible said not tired and the use of rest is relative if you stop doing something you were doing before it could be said you are retirement or you are resting! You can be tired of correcting your child because you cant stand seeing him growing up to be a dounce so you send him to school! Does not mean you are tired.
He is Tired of repenting that is what he meant in this verse Jer: 15V 6 Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT GOD WILL DO WHEN YOU KEEPING SAD HE WILL HAND YOU OVER TO A "TEACHER"

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

YOU QUOTED Gen11 V 5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Yes the lord came down. You see believers know that GOD comes down to earth in different forms and they are temporary satan mimicks this behaviour of God but only his true sheep hear him. God is everywhere my brother but He does not look at sins that is why he cannot come in his fullnes.

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

You see that is what makes us different God made us in his image WE HAVE CHOICE THAT WE CAN MAKE. To know some mind you have to try him and God see your heart by this. The heart is like a pot if you put rubbish in it it means you like rubish and the only that can know you put rubish is God privately You love for Evil (rubish) would even be tested ( This is what is called hardening of the heart)

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19

You are unsincere with this one I laughed when i read the whole text because it talks about Judah Not God Judges 1Verse 9

9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14

Yes God will change if he sees righteousness He is unchangeable In Righteousness. He is the right Judge of the world He has seen many of your type and they dont move him in his completeness.

10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

Now this is the controversial aspect of God That Man and God has. A man can love some one and take her marry her as his wife does it mean that he hates the rest NO! We have been given choices we make them everyday and we live by them. You must know That you cannot report God to No one! You are tiny in the hands of the almighty look at what he did to Nebuchadnezer and Herod.

The bible says Who art thou O man To question God of his Action Can the Pot Complain to the potter? Thou Worm before God. Dont question God as no one will question for you actions save BABA Himself Ojare.

I will ask You this Why are you Living why dont you kill yourself ? It is you choice to Choose life instead of death. God is the only personality that does not answer to no one


Well I will stop here and do hope You can extrapolate sincerely what I have said on this 10 to the remainder

First of all I made it very clear that you do not need the bible to live a natural life. What is true holines. I must admit in my last mail I made some spelling mistakes and omissions.

You all did not say that as a normal human being there is nothing wrong with living a natural clean life. You all agree that bleaching the skin is deformity? this is common knowledge that anything that you do on your body that does not project your natural self is evil. You have Female Genital Mutilation = piercing The ears. You will agree with me that there is no where in the bible that smoking wee or cigrate is a sin.

But Since you are loosing this common sense Arguement then let us go into the holy scriptures

The Deformity of Hair and Ear
1 Timothy 2:9
I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
1 Timothy 2:8-10 (in Context) 1 Timothy 2 (Whole Chapter)
1 Peter 3:3
Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes.
1 Peter 3:2-4 (in Context) 1 Peter 3 (Whole Chapter)

Out of 2 or more Holymen a truth is established peter and paul are saying the same thing WHY DID JESUS SAY EVEN THE VERY HAIR ON OUR HEADS ARE NUMBERED!


Some people say it is to distiguish the men from the women You dont need to disfigure someone to different the sexes
Worn for idolatrous purposes (Genesis 35:1- 4; Isaiah 3:20) There are so many other bible verses i cant just get now but if you search you will find out.

Dont get me wrong doing all this outward holines without inward holiness is null.

I think I have quoted the bible abi? please quote bible when responding. I will rest here and talk later about the other Outward Look contrversies.

@Enugu,

You dont seem to get it at all. Read about Jesus christ very well ( please sincerely do) You will discover that He was at logger with the pharisee and religious people Why ? He was telling that The Law came for a purpose and he came to fulfil that but they did not uderstand him at all.

In your case and some of the other people in some Charismatic movement have overempasized this and I know that people will make a doctrine out of it. Jesus was trying to tell them that You heart is very important so is the outward person. Remember we are Body soul and spirit there sins That is committed with the body and some with the soul and even with the spirit.

your body is part of you life and I will ask you, will you cut of your hand and say you are complete person that is deforming no one has the right to deform any one and no one should deform oneself. What you wear on your body if you heart doesnt desire it there is no way you like to wear it. With the heart a man desire. A man moves and talks with who he is I have known that and i cant find anywhere this is false.

look let them leave the church even if Kumuyi Stops preaching holiness and all the churches stop preaching holines God him said he will withdraw to himself already God is know respecter of man I have learnt this in many ways personally. He has "Killed" and he is still doing this he lord is a Lion there is Blood on his teeth he is holy by him ownself he does not need any one from infinity he was holy he made us in his image of holiness and we lost it he has given Jesus God in Human form to show that we can be holy only we should believe him and we say some are too holy.

You like Jesus asked the scribes which of you convince me of Sin how can you convince God of Sin. The deeper ifers what is there Sin ? THE YOUTH WILL RUN AWAY IF THE STANDARD IS HIGH EVEN THE ADULTS WILL BU I KNOW THERE ARE YOUTHS I DEEPER LIFE YOU KNOW GOD DOESNT DEAL WITH NUMBER WITH 12 HE SHOOK THE WORLD
WITH 2 HE STARTED THE WORLD

GOD IS JUST AND HE KNOWS ABOUT DEEPER LIFE THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING THAT UNSCRIPTURAL AND SOME KIDS AND MEN DONT LIKE IT SO IT IS A MATTER OF CHOICE JESUS SAID THE WAY TO HEAVEN IS DIFFICULT IF GOD IN HUMAN FLESH WILL SAY THIS THEN THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS THE CHURCH IS NOT DOING RIGHT.

WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD IT IS RATHER THE OTHER WAY ARROUND THE KIDS ARE THOUGHT MATERIALISM AND PARENTS WILL RELEASE THEIR KIDS TO THOSE CHURCHES. IF ONLY 5 PEOPLE GET TO HEAVEN AND ESCAPE HELL AND I AM AMONG AND I FOLLOW CHRIST I WILL REJOICE. IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE IN THE SAME BIBLE WHEN GOD DESTROYED THE WORLD HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE SAVED ? AND I SODOM AND GOMMORRAH.

THE CHURCH IS FACE HOLY PEOPLE AND THEY LIVE OUT THE GAY PASTORS AND WOMEN LEADER PASTOR IS THAT THE BILBE ? I KNOW DOESNT GIVES A HOUGHT ABOUT NUMBERS IF NOT THE BUDHIST WILL GET INTO HEAVEN. THE ONLY THING DEEPER LIFERS HAVE CARRIED IS THE CROSS OF CHRIST NO MAKE UP NO BOGUS LIFE. I HAVE ATTENDED SEVERAL CHURCHES AND I KNOW WHAT GOES ON THERE.

IF I AM GIVING THE GRACE I WILL BUILD HIS CHURCH WITH HIM AS THE RULER AND I KNOW WHAT HE EXPECTS OF ME HOLINES LOVE AND SPIRIT. THE BIBLE SAY THE LETTER KILLETH BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE SO DO WE NOT READ THE WORD WHICH IS THE LETTER? NO GOD FORBID ! THE SPIRIT BRINGETH US CLOSER TO THE FATHER WHERBY WE CRY ABBA FATHER AS THOUGH WE HAD KNOWN HIM FOR LONG WE DONT DIE IN THE SPIRIT MY SISTER WE WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.

READ YOUR BIBLE MY SISTER AND KNOW THE WORDS OF CHRIST FIRST

Jesus said he does not condemn any man but those that dont do his will. I did not backslide from deeper life I did back slide from God. And i am trailing my route back home To God.

Why do the youths live Deeperlife? All men run away from a great light when Darkness is in their hearts. The fact is That deeperlife addresses the truth and every ministry that is from God has it is mission. You know That if it were my own will I would do more things even wilder (holier).

You cannot over emphsize Holiness The deeper lifers have it. "But not all Isreal are Isreal" The bible says holiness without which no man shall see God.

1) Clothing

When a man or woman wear a clothes he must potray Jesus but to Sinners and Beleivers Be he has been given the power To manufacture Holy Thoughts and picture by Jesus. the clothing of this people are filled with contentment. i know what I am talking about. I have worn designer clothing either bought for me or i bought myself there is great burden. I have seen Great men in great countries that are overly simple. The fact is that we are trying to overemulate our So called Colonial master when it is just a thought that will need the desire to dress for jesus to destroy this.

Tell me will the boy or men dress like women if that is what pertains to everyone ? The Children are deceivers and The man watch on.

2) Jewelry.

The matter of jewelry is The most Bizzare. and Earth men tend to justify what is Male Jewelry And Female Jewelry. But You see that all men can where any type of jewelry, Infact The kids are now wearing jewelry all over their body Not just the ear! Can you go and preach to them to say it is not right to where rings any where in my body. I know many things and God has shown me many things. There women that put rings on their private part what do you call That? can you argue against her for her? can you Judge her ? What will you use to Judge her action (GODS WORDS OF COURSE). In America where all our fashion comes from The Negroid Spends Money on Jewelry To the tune of thousands of dollars. People are complaining That Kids in the project ( slum) Got nothing, I singer gets money and then gets alot platinum and wears it and starts boasting of the wealth he has. Putting Jewelry on your body is deceitful and the Youths That are sinful will not stay in a church that preaches Piety and holiness unto Jesus.

3) Fornication

Because of fornication almost not present the children will not like a place where Sexual exuberance will be displayed The principles of courtship and marriage are very rigid In deeper life and this does not mean all members Adhere. Some have fallen and are still in the church I can not here condemnation and remain There. I can not allow my conscience to continue to condemn me so I needed to leave. I have since desired to get back may be not to deeper but to a holiness life ever more deeper than that of my mentor in the flesh Brother Kumuyi Most DIVINE.


4) Perming of Hair.

Youths of the world like flashy things Especially with the Black youths. One of the sins of the Black race is Materialism and That is why we dont know who we are any more we have sold our brothers to slavery we have sold our country for food clothing cars our richmen cant sit in Molue (so that the Molue can be upgraded better seats Aircondition) with us the desire to aquire material things supersedes all. before the women were puting wigs on now they are stiching wigs to their heads. If there is a technology to grow white hair the black people with do all to get it done. what will you say about people adding silicon to their body They call it plastic surgery ? You have not seen nothing yet Evil is coming The true Church will be persecuted by the church!!!! Santan will enter the sanctuary and defile it. He will make mince meat of some so called Holy men and Even deeper lifers ! Only they that know the lord will do exploits for Jesus. forget You have not seen Sin yet ! And you will see holiness stand out Have you forgotten when the angel came to tell Lot ? THE PEOPLE WANTED TO SLEEP WITH THE HOLY ANGEL OF THE LORD. YOU WILL SOON SEE THAT GAY PEOPLE WILL WANT TO SLEEP WITH HOLY PASTORS OF THE LORD BUT HOLINES WILL STAND PEPPLE WILL GIVE TESTIMONY OF SIN AND PEOPLE WILL CLAP AT THIS It is Coming!!!!!!!!!!!! prosperity messages can not do anything about what is coming. none of our mothers look african any more. Yes the outside is meaningless But can you drink water from a dirty cup? out of the heart the mouth speaketh there is nothing you desire on your body that it did not come from your heart!
we are not Materialistic? Why is that we have so much and still beg?

I have said little I know Jesus will recall me in the last assault on the devil i will be purified and I will war by Jesus Only.

Backlider

@ Donnie,

You should find out what is sin. When man sins and he goes to church there is a lot of grace wasted and there is condemnation if there is no conviction.

The deeper life issue you raised did not warrant at all. There is nothing like Holiness ( No Substitute) and this is for people which sins have been forgiven. There is cleansing and there is holiness. There some people that say the concept of sin and that we have to understand that all men sin but i tell you no Sinner can enter the kingdom of God.

If you are holy You can not seen because you have the mind of the holy one Jesus. Harlots that go to church 419ers that go to church armed robbers that go to church have the same and one master Satan.

I was reading the very words of Jesus one day and I was afraid and I hope i could get holiness and never loose it again. Jesus said The way to heaven is difficult. Jesus was asked by a man that he wanted to follow him but Jesus answered and said go and sell all your property.

If some of the preachers are told to leave their churches and become ordinary members how many will do this only Jesus knows. People that go to church must be holy.

We dont have power on this so we must strive to make this. I have chance to be pastor but i dont want i will wait for the holy Ghost

I dont think so. It is only prayer that can help but God said that he send his spirit in this last Days may be then there will the Church be ready.

but there is an escape route They that know their God Shall do exploits.

I have a very different view I am a backslider from the faith and I have known somethings that you dont have to be a deeper lifer to know. The matter of dressing and hair is one of the greatest divide of black holy christian. It is a problem for even black non christian this is the Issue of Imagery. It is sad that it will take deeper life to correct this anormaly.

I will give you a little insight of black people. Our hair is not like that of the white people and the white people will never want there hair like us. I regard that if we allow perm of hair we should allow yellow fever. The origin of perming is from america and we as black people never thought ourselves different until we were enslaved for about 400 years. Did you know that the blacks wanted to blend in that is why they went into this senseless cosmetism.

The black people WANTED TO BE LIKE THE WHITE so that they could be accepted and that is why they went into this evil mutation. The agent of this Was a woman. The Imagery of the NEGROID people was dark evil and they must conform to image of their master the white man. There is another thought that the Negroid at that time needed to look like the white men so that it gives the a sense of superiority over there follow Negroid. This imagery conflict was heightened by hollywood and if you want to know The richest Billionaire ( I think she was first the billionaire in US of America) made her money of the desire to Change the image of the negroid people.

Imagine how much is spent on hair perming so girls are promiscuos because they want their hair permed. Look at our women leaders they are not praying about this. It is not enough that we talk about it. WHY SHOULD PEOPLE GO TO HEL BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEIR LOOKS. We can talk and write books about this there is a need for prayer for those that are children of God. As for me and the condemned some of us have seen reason not to perm our hair.

I used to attend deeperlife and I fell away because I was not grounded and I have God speaking to me everyday and explaining to me and learnt alot and I am sad that I have tried with all my strength to Return To Salvation Sanctification and a spirit filled life. I will wait for God's power to sweep me I dont trust no man only God.

Deeper Life is a good church i know there are weak ones and this is the responsibility of the strong ones to devote time to prayer. I know there will another church with 105 % because No Holiness No heaven. Note one sad but yet truth not all the people in deeper life will go to heaven so it is DEEPER LIFE + SINLIFE= HELL
DEEPERLIFE + HOLINESS UNTO GOD = HEAVEN

I am tired of Differentiation Give me HOLINESS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT I WILL WN THE WORLD FOR JESUS MY GOD