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Barnabaseloka:
Which people are you referring to?

Syncan:
When Paul told them there was no need for circumcision, which part of scripture did they check to confirm?

Barnabaseloka:
Some in Thessalonica believed while others did not. Some Jews, who caused the riot were only able to convince those who did not believe. Know that not everyone will believe the scriptures even when one is shown the truth from them.

What mattered to the Bereans was to see from the scriptures, whether OT or NT, if what Paul taught them were true. This is how christians ought to check the scriptures to see if what they are taught in church are true or not.

Syncan:
Now he claims not to understand again. Ok, let's make it simple.

@ first bold: Which part of scripture did paul get that teaching from?

@ Second bold: Were the bereans Jews or Gentiles?

Stop being defensive, be open to truth even if it differs from your initial thought, only the truth sets one free.

Syncan:
Oga, your post said this :



We know part of paul's teaching was that there wasn't need for circumcision Gal 5:2. Now, Knowing the importance of circumcision at that time, which book did the bereans search to confirm Pauls teaching on circumcision?

Syncan:
Artful dodger, the berean Jews as stated in your post.

dolphinheart:
What the bible says happen to a man is the same that happens to a baby. When a human dies, he she goes back to the ground, he stops existing.

Syncan:
Same people you were talking about in your post.

Syncan:
When Paul told them there was no need for circumcision, which part of scripture did they check to confirm?

btoks:
Following your point on the Bereans, how come the Tessalonians did not agree with Paul’s teaching after going through the same scriptures in the preceding verses Acts 17:1-10 but tried to put Paul into trouble?? Also,New Testament books were not completed at this point, so the Bereans were looking through the Old Testament. I wonder why the majority of Jews never accepted Jesus as Messiah after all they’ve been reading the Torah for Centuries.

Jusmudi:
Did u even go 2 church 2day?

Daniel058:
Here is a problem .. . We are told to keep Sunday holy, since it is the day of our Lord's resurrection. ...
Now, is it a sin to sell on Sunday?? As in opening your shop and do your business as usual in ordinary day? ?

italo:
So you mean God's Church can teach error that can lead people to hell?

Jusmudi:
Nd Dts y u need 2 prove ur point because 2 me u just want 2 argue

Jusmudi:
I dn't go 2 church because of anyperson I go 2 catholic because every tin abt d church is found in d bible nd is been founded by Christ. I do attend catholic church because I recieve d body nd blood of Christ, I go 2 catholic church because I Bliv in saints, Angels, four living creatures, Elders, I Bliv in Trinity, I Bliv in my mother Mary as d gr8 intercessor

Jusmudi:
Guy email me mudijp@gmail.com
Guy nt dt am giving up bt we are just arguing. We dn't want 2 learn

Jusmudi:
To tel u d truth. U tried bringing ur point, bt broda u just want 2 argue. Bliv me am just tired because all our points u countered it Witout gud point. Infact u ar a J.w

Jusmudi:
I hv done dt already yet ur mind can't be changed

Jusmudi:
Bros u ll nt accept nt now or ever, is lik u ar a witness

italo:
@Jusmudi, Ubenedictus, Timmytimmy pls look at this and tell me if who is obeying scripture and who is contradicting scripture with false teachings.

"For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known" (1Cor.13: 12)

our Father Abraham said to the rich man: "Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things" (Lk.16: 25) Abraham knew what they received on earth.

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, 'How long, 0 Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?' (Rev 6:10) How did they know that the Lord hadn't avenved their blood on those on earth?

"Thus says the Lord God of your father David: Because you have not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat your father, or in the ways of Asa king of Judah, but have walked in the way of the kings of Israel… the Lord will strike your people" (2Chr.21: 12-14). How did Elijah, after his departure from earth, know what was happening? How did he send this letter to Jehoram?

“Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts” (Psalm 148:1-2). And the bible says we will be like angels.

Rachel was long dead (see Gen. 48:7) and departed from the earth during the Babylonian exile when Jeremiah wrote: “Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, [and] bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they [were] not. Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.” (Jeremiah 31:15-16). The Lord answered her prayer. Again when Herod slaughtered the innocents, Matthew tells us: “In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping [for] her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not” (Matthew 2:18).

and “Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth” (Luke 15:10) And the bible says we will be like angels (who know when a sinner repents)

“For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven” (Matt. 22:30)

Finally,

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2). And God sees all on earth.

italo:
So the early Christians determined truth by going to the Church, according to scripture.

But according to your tradition, Christians should determine truth by going scripture.

You are contradicting the Bible again.

Another question.

What is the pillar and foundation of truth?

Judge Timmytimmy, where are you now?

italo:
Who determines whether they are contradicting scriptures or not?

You?

italo:
@ Timmytimmy, please look at this and tell me if this is an answer to my question above...

And also tell me if this person is interested in a sincere intelligent discussion.

Thank you.

btoks:
At the point the scriptures were written, although there were several gatherings in the name of Christ,they constituted one church led by the apostles. Peter and Paul wrote to a number of them.
The true church was clear in the early days.This is why teachings were checked with this church e.g. Acts 15,Gal 2. Are we saying the structure left by Jesus is no more? Did he really set up Christianity with differing teachings all over?
Over the years with different groups breaking off the church, it could be easy to interpret that every church has the full truth.
The[b] issue arises when I ask these several groups what the correct teaching is on communion of saints/intercessory prayers as per OP.how do I know the true teaching?[/b]

Jusmudi:
My broda if u can't defend ur church den u are nt ready nd also I cam 2 love my church because all of her teachings are correct. Reading d bible is ok bt ur interpretation matas a lot, is very good good 2 read bible bt ur understandin is anoda tin

Jusmudi:
Dere is a difference b\w a man nd a kid. U just showed me ur xter of a true man. Tank u 4 d apology. And also broda is difficult 2 convince u because u hv already made up ur mind

Ubenedictus:
i see you didn't do your usual exegesis on the passages, so permit me to ask you,

are you there present with the one God? With his Son Jesus who brings a new covenant whose blood pleads better than abel? With the company of all erolled in the kingdom and with the spirit of the just now made perfect?

Are you in that gathering where the whole host of heaven and the people of God here on earth fellowship?

This question is pretty important because record of Christians who lived immediately or some time after the apostles record this fact, they hold, as the book of heb teaches and as I believe that the worship of God and the prayer of the church, the ekklesia is never done alone or in isolation, they believe that right before them was the heavenly host, the body of Christ in true unity. They by faith could "see" that like heb teaches before them is a great cloud of witnesses who join them or with them prayed to God and offered worship.

btoks:
With all due respect, we end up at the same point going by your response.this is what has led to countless contradictory doctrines in protestant/pentecostal denominations.
With your logic,you end believing the tradition of the bible group/matured christian you meet with or whatever you feel personally.
There are differences on the big issues e.g. Trinity, holy eucharist(Jesus really present or not), baptism, communion of saints,books of the OT, nature of Jesus, justification, contraception, apostolic succession etc.
This is why a guide is needed, that's how it's always been.
within the scriptures you read that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth in 1Tim3.
Whilst I study scriptures, it has to be understood within christian history. The church with it's authority to bind and loose(plus Jesus promising the gates of hell not to prevail against it) has already laid out the true teachings and continues to interpret based on current and future events.
It is counterintuitive to state that each person studying the scriptures under the guidance of the holy spirit will know the truth because it's exactly the opposite that has occurred with sola scriptura adherence.

Ubenedictus:
I think you are the one who needs to correct your interpretation of scriptures dear.

That passage is from the old testament and it isn't talking about the saint in heaven, it is talking about Shoel where there is no wisdom of things "under the sun".

The old testament righteous are nolonger in Shoel as they have been translated into paradise, it is scripturally irresponsible to take a text talking about souls in shoel and apply them to those in Christ.

Kindly recheck your interpretation again that passage is on Shoel! They were the ones without Knowledge, the new testament on the otherhand discusses those in heaven as having a gathering that include us on earth.

Have a nice day.