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johnydon22:
Is this power independent of god's power?
If yes then all power does not belong to god..
If No then its still same as using god's power.
Buh seriously i have never seen an atheist tormented by an evil spirit, i think the devil's power really works more on you theists.
Really? Well thats true cus neither does it have any power against the one who doesn't believe. . .It only does for those who think it does, that's how fiction works
Yea just like Job sinned i guess.

There we have it as i rightly asserted before. The devil is just god's employee. he is working for god.... So why condemn an employee for doing what he was employed to do and not the employer... You condemn devil for tormenting job but not the main oga that gave the permission (which literally means the main oga is the one tormenting the victim only with the help of his worker (devil)..)
Good and bad things has nothing to do with any deity...

god is in control meaning everything that happens are his works. . whatever the devil does are all gods plans because he is in control of everything...yes?

it leaves us wondering; Who really is the Villain in this fable

Pr0ton:
1. Really? He prevented Adam and Eve from sinning, right?



2. Are you saying the devil was thrown out of heaven for this purpose, dominating over the sinful ones? Was that what he was destinied to do in the beginning?



3. If the devil is designated as the ruler of the world, how can anyone who's in the world be out of his power?



4. FrancisTony has been sinning. I see nothing supernatural conflicting with his life, only natural occurrences...like being turned down by every girl he proposes to



5. Seriously... Why should an ALL-KNOWING God test you to know your capability?



6. So that there's no apparent difference between skeptics and believers.



7. We've been waiting for centuries bro!

Barnabaseloka:
Bro, even a lay man can understand what I have written for they are put down in simple english words.
1. If a dead person knows when to reincarnate, it means he/she has knowledge and thought and wisdom. This contradicts what I quoted that a dead person does not have thought, knowledge or wisdom.
2. When a dead person reincarnates, then work has been done from the world of the dead to the physical. This also contradicts what I quoted that the in the land of the dead, there is no work or action.
Now which one contradicts the other- is it God's word or is it your own thoughts?

I say again that the dead know NOTHING in the world of the dead. The dead have got no time to think, work, become knowledgeable or wise, or perform any action. So, time has no influence on the dead.

Can you proof to me how Jesus or any of the believers of old reincarnated?

gatiano:
Yes, The dead know nothing indeed. Proof- Negroes can't clean there streets, it is trash and refuse filled, negroes can generate their electricity, they would have to bow to the colonialists to do it for them, negroes can't get good portable drinking water, negroes can cultivate their own food, and if they do, they eat it wrong and over eat which lead to their untimely physical death, negroes can't choose a good candidate to represent them because they do know the process of voting, negroes always want to be like everybody else except himself/herself, negro would not buy his fellow negro's merchandise or products, instead would glad give it to other races buying fake, negroes can't produce, manufacture and educate themselves in their own ways and culture, but a burrowed and enforced one. negro has no economy (do not mistake that Nigerian economy as yours, did your fathers name the place "Nigeria"?

So where is the knowledge, wisdom, and life in the above mentioned? show me. What is written above simply mean "Dead" which now needs or must ressurect.

When that your material body dies, That is the end of that body, there is no need for it ever again. However, You are not dead, You consist of Energy, It can neither be created nor destroyed. At the point of dead as it is today, You will be more aware (it doesn't mean to kill yourself, it is the greatest and grievous sin, or to kill another without a just cause)(those who call themselves muslims but are not are crazy oo).

That is what dead means. In reality, There is nothing called death, except that which i mentioned above.

Eccl 9:5-6 refer to people who are now living and that would die because of their injustice and inequality, the killings, raping, stealing, tricking of the sleeping(dead) people- negro.

Proof for recarnation? Do you say the Yoruba are st upid? or Foo lish? Even The Igbos know of reincarnation, Do you say they are mad?
Not all Negro slept deeply. A lot of Blackmen and Blackwomen are now awaken except the ones still blind, blinded by the devil's religion of christianity and white arabdized mohammedian religion also fake/split Judeism.

Barnabaseloka:
Here, we do not discuss genes or blood as reincarnation. You resemble you grandpa or garandma b/c you have their blood that contains their genes in you. We are talking about the dead taking up another body to reappear on the earth.

1. if the dead know NOTHING (implying both spiritual and physical) (Ecc.9:5-6), and there is no knowledge, no thought, no wisdom, no work or action in the WORLD of the DEAD (where the dead are) Ecc.9:10, how will they know when and how to reincarnate or come back to the world?
2. When will the consciousness meet the uncosciousness?

gatiano:
When The Spirit incarnates depends on Him/Her, He/She knows best when to incarnate and don't just do it anyhow, it is calculated and in turns. That is why the Black people are the most controlled population, Our population is spiritually controlled, not like the non-black people who tries to stabilize our population. China and India for example are a non-black people (india do have a little Black people), As you can see for their population, they lack the females. Europeans lack males, most have died in wars and still dieing from drinking.
But look at the Black population, we are always 50% male, 50% female, or ratio 49:51. remember all your classrooms, how many boys, how many girls, you would note that the difference is not much atall or the same.

The Spirit incarnates at His/Her own timing, He/She is self guided.

How does the dead know, God would always raise a person from among a people to teach the dead. Jesus was one, Moses, Muhammad, David, Jonah, Job and in the present time Elijah Muhammad (most don't believe Him, most didn't believe all of the Messagers of the past too until their demise). God raises them, This God is also A Person that would raise the dead or ressurect the dead. What ressurect the dead? The Truth.
Thus, You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.
Jesus was the most important in the Bible and the Quran. Jesus is not seen Higher that any of the prophets of Black people by The Creator, But His work was the most important.

Unconscious and Conscious mind. Do not mistake the sub-conscious mind for the Unconscious mind, they are entirely different from each other.
The sub-conscious mind are the conscious activities of our present mind that has been locked away by ourselves due to traumas, shock and other unwanted experiences, example; Our birthing process.

Unconscious mind is totally different, It really solely in the hands of The Creator. We are all born with both the conscious memory(mind) and the unconscious memory(mind). Jesus was born with both been conscious. Thus, He is said to be born of a virgin or Holy- Spirit. Physically Jesus biological Father was Joseph. This unconsciouness of Jesus got activated when He was only 12; Then He began to woooow the Elders of the time of the Knowledge He knew. Yet, after then, He had to be trained in Egypt, He travelled all over the earth, it may be possible that He went outside of our planet(that info is not given). Jesus was God after He passed His Exam, This exam is called temptation. We will all pass through it alive or in death. It comes in many different ways, If I or You or We do not pass it, We will do it again. Malcolm X was tested, He failed but it is not bad, He must have passed it now or will do it again.
Will you say you love and believe in God and won't be tested? God would test Men and Mankind alike.

It is in Your Unconscious memory that all your past life are recorded till the beginning of the universe and beyond, meeting your Creator face to face while you yet live or while ascended. You would know all the mathematics, sciences, astronomy, history everything, You will know all, anybody who knows all that there is, is God, Full in knowledge but not yet in Wisdom. Wisdom is by Age. Thus The Ruler of the Universe is the Oldest Elders (Allah or God) in physical body. He is not Jesus.

gatiano:
Any form of coming to life after death is zombie or demonic, that is true, if i should see My Grandma in her usual body. But that is not reincarnation.

We are composed of three entities; 1) The Spirit, 2)The Soul, and 3) The Body.

The Body is just a material, when the body expires or worns out, It is disposed, and buried, never to rise again, even when Jesus or/and Yahweh or Allah comes, He has no use for the body. It is gone and gone, and if it is seen again physically, then something diabolic had taken over it.

The Soul- The soul is who you really are, never existed before, it is new and unique, as its own personality and given a gift of freewill. Whether the soul goes spend a long time or short time in hell, or dies or lives depends on how the soul uses his/her gift of freewill. No matter how good we are, we will all go to that realm called hell except for children less than 10 years old. because they have no knowledge of either good or bad yet. The rest of us have, even if we do not commit them, we have experienced it to wash all bad habits away. No soul would take a single bad innocent habit into that realm called heaven no matter how good. that hell realm has a set time that it would self destroy, all who will remain in it dies forever. Going to this hell does not mean pain, for the meek and kind hearted who have submitted to The Creator will not feel a single pain, it would be blissful until they slide into the heavenly realm.
In the heavenly realm, The soul goes on in training, ritual and education till it becomes a creator. That is the purpose of our living, to become a creator.

The Spirit; This is The Creator, He/She can never die, He/She has been without a beginning and without no ending. He/She made the universes and all that are and have been within all of them. He/She IS The First. He/She made Himself/Herself a body, that body was Black in skin color (this is not racial thing), it only make sense that He/She had to be Black, because from Black comes all the colours present in everything and animals alike. It is only the Black that has both the dominant Black gene and the recessive light gene.
When the non-blacks racially made God image in white, Can God be a recessive person? If HE/SHE was or/and is, How come there are Black people on the earth? Non-blacks can not procreate Blacks, it is scientifically and spiritually impossible.
It is The Creator who continously reincarnate in the Black people of this earth and all other earths out there. They reincarnate without stop. They reincarnate in conception of a new soul, the parents DNA will definitely shape the new soul into a unique humanbeing and it goes on like that without stop. So, Who are You? You are also The Creator, without the Creator inside of you, you won't have life.

What about the non-blacks? Don't they have spirits? They do have Spirit of The Creator, But it is in a collective state. That is why their melanin is closely packed and in that of Black people, it is sparse. The non-Blacks can not reincarnate except they become born-again(literally), then, their future may have an eternal life. Thus the Eccl 9:5-6 is all about.

You have always been here from the beginning, The moment your consciousness meets with your unconsciousness, You would remember, then, you would be able to call yourself God, just as Jesus proclaimed Himself. Nevetheless, A son or daughter of God, is also God.

gatiano:
Dead in most cases of the Bible does not refer to the dead as in dead those who ascended or passed away. The dead referred to are the living dead. People who have life and yet can't do for self, anything they do seems not to ever work. (you know who those people are).

Eccl 9:5-6; Refers to a people who know from the beginning of their time that they would die, it does not mean a person, but a people. so while they live, they should grow and grow till the end of them. (they do know themselves, if you open your mind to in truth, you'd know).

Barnabaseloka:
In conclusion:
Note: Jesus is the greatest of ALL THINGS, except God, and existed before ANYTHING was created.
1. If Mary is presently the mother of Jesus, then, joseph is still the father today. (Mt.2:13, Luke 2:49).
2. If Joseph is still the father today, then who is God to Jesus? (John 8:30, Col.1:3, 2 Corinth.1:3, 1 Pet.1:3).
3. If Joseph is not the father today, then, Mary is not the mother today.
4. If Joseph is at present not the father, then God might have replaced Joseph when Jesus ascended into heaven. Or God might have married Mary in the spiritual realm to give birth to Jesus, the Son.
5. This indirectly means that Jesus has two fathers- God and Joseph but only one mother- Mary presently.
6. If Mary is the queen of heaven, definitely, Joseph is the king of heaven, and Jesus is the prince of heaven. So what is the position of God in heaven?
But thanks be to God for the Scriptures are not contradictory or confusing. Jesus has ONLY one Father-God. Mary and Joseph WERE (but not presently) His parents on earth, before He began His ministry.

btoks:
Yes the greatest guide is the Holy spirit who was given to the church otherwise every individual will think their interpretation of the scripture is the correct one.
I accept that my question on bread was not related, however, i was just trying to prove that you'll probably come up with a different interpretation from what majority of christianity teaches. so relating back to the issue of Mary being the mother of God or not - who do we believe? You or historical christianity?

plaetton:
Lol.

" No supporting structures that hold the heaven apart from earth".
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There we go again.
Another one of Deepsight's acolytes or proteges.

This is exactly the kind of sunday school thinking that Deepsight encourages and promotes on this forum.

Kudos Depardo. We see your handworks.

btoks:
Actually, you'll find that sola scriptura which you're alluding to here is what has led to countless denominations with different interpretations/teachings. This is why sola scriptura can never work - you need a guiding church. The issue at hand is what is the correct teaching. I bet you and your fellow protestants have differing on big issues such as trinity,baptism etc.

I'll you a simple question on a different note - what is the correct teaching on the bread Jesus talked about in John 6 and the last supper? And let us know when this teaching was accepted in the church.

MizJanet:
Catholics are clueless , but the most silly are the protestants who say their Jesus is God but fail to realize that they have automatically make his mother the one who gave birth to God .


Even protestants belive Mary gave birth to God


Y'all are confuse .

italo:
So you are saying Moses was dead, yet he spoke once.

You have no proof that Moses didn't speak again, except you can show me where the Bible said so.

What about the people that spoke in Rev 6:10, were they alive? Still dodging that question?

1. I can't find it in my Bible but Catholic oral tradition (which is the word of God just like Scipture (2Thess2:15)) tells me that those apostles died.

You are the one who claims to believe in Bible alone, so tell me where the Bible says that Mary died...or that only Elijah and Enoch will never die in the history of the world.

Please show me!

Also are you saying that Jesus did not die?

italo:
Matt 2:13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt.

Who is a shameless liar between you and the Angel of the Lord?


What do you mean by "The Word" now. The Catholic 73 books or Luther's 65 books without the deuterocanonicals and James which he castigated?

Who decided the books in your "The Word?"

Also, you haven't shown us where "The Word" said that Mac cables, Tobit, Sirach are not inspired...and that Mark, Luke are inspired.

What about Gospel of Barnabas, Epistle to the Laodiceans, the book of Enoch, Acts of Peter? Are they inspired? If not, where does the Bible say they aren't? Remember Laodiceans was mention in the Bible and some of the deuterocanonicals were quoted in other books of the Bible or made reference to.

Also, tell us if the Holy Spirit is still inspiring men to write scriptures. If yes, give us an example. If no, tell us where the Bible tells you that the Holy Spirit would stop inspiring men to write scripture. Or are you following the Catholic tradition that closed the Canon of Scripture?

Papist:
Historical revisionism? Why am I not surprised when this is coming from a Protestant? Here is more to shock you from Luther your hero:

Christ, ..was the only Son of
Mary, and the Virgin Mary
bore no children besides
Him... "brothers" really
means "cousins" here, for
Holy Writ and the Jews
always call cousins brothers.
(Sermons on John, chapters
1-4.1537-39).

He, Christ, our Savior, was
the real and natural fruit of
Mary's virginal womb.. .This
was without the cooperation
of a man, and she remained
a virgin after that. (Ibid.)
God says... "Mary's Son is My
only Son." Thus Mary is the
Mother of God. (Ibid.).
God did not derive his
divinity from Mary; but it
does not follow that it is
therefore wrong to say that
God was born of Mary, that
God is Mary's Son, and that
Mary is God's mother...She
is the true mother of God
and bearer of God...Mary
suckled God, rocked God to
sleep, prepared broth and
soup for God, etc. For God
and man are one person,
one Christ, one Son, one
Jesus. not two Christs. . .just
as your son is not two
sons...even though he has
two natures, body and soul,
the body from you, the soul
from God alone. (On the
Councils and the Church,
1539).

It is a sweet and pious belief
that the infusion of Mary's
soul was effected without
original sin; so that in the
very infusion of her soul she
was also purified from
original sin and adorned with
God's gifts, receiving a pure
soul infused by God; thus
from the first moment she
began to live she was free
from all sin" (Sermon: "On
the Day of the Conception of
the Mother of God," 1527).

She (Mary) is full of grace,
proclaimed to be entirely
without sin—something
exceedingly great. For God's
grace fills her with
everything good and makes
her devoid of all evil.
(Personal {"Little"} Prayer
Book, 1522).

[She is the] highest woman
and the noblest gem in
Christianity after Christ.
..She is nobility, wisdom, and
holiness personified. We can
never honor her enough. Still
honor and praise must be
given to her in such a way as
to injure neither Christ nor
the Scriptures. (Sermon,
Christmas, 1531).
No woman is like you. You
are more than Eve or Sarah,
blessed above all nobility,
wisdom, and sanctity.
(Sermon, Feast of the
Visitation. 1537).
One should honor Mary as
she herself wished and as
she expressed it in the
Magnificat. She praised God
for his deeds. How then can
we praise her? The true
honor of Mary is the honor
of God, the praise of God's
grace.. .Mary is nothing for
the sake of herself, but for
the sake of Christ...Mary
does not wish that we come
to her, but through her to
God. (Explanation of the
Magnificat, 1521).

italo:
Meaning Mary gave birth to God?

italo:
Below is what you said earlier

Nowhere does Luke 1:1-3 mention "Luke" or Holy Spirit. Stop trying to squeeze those words into the passage.

At the time Paul said "All scripture is given...," he meant Old Testament. Revelations, for example had not even been written.

If you cannot show me where the the bible said Luke wrote Luke under the influence of the Holy Spirit, then you are either following Catholic tradition or your personal tradition.

You also refused to say if the Church was error prone in compiling the Bible or if they were above error.

Also please tell us: is the Holy Spirit still inspiring men to write scriptures?

italo:
Just dodging my questions. I never questioned the Bible's authenticity. I know that it is authentic because God's authentic Catholic Church compiled, Canonized it.

My question is to you, Mr Bible alone protestant:


Why should anyone quote from the Bible when you don't know how the bible came about?

Show me where Jesus or the Bible told anyone to write, read or quote the bible?

Or are you also following Catholic tradition which canonized the Bible?

italo:
Abel was alive, not dead.

Now answer my question: the people who talked to God in Rev 6:10, were they alive then?

italo:
So "dead" Moses spoke to Jesus?

If this can happen, then even if Mary died, she can speak to Jesus.

Also, please show us where the Bible said Mary is "dead and buried," as you claimed. Or is that too just one of your personal traditions?

Scholar8200:
And also went ahead to include the apocrypha, which are non - inspired! I believe the credit (as human elements) should go to those who were in tune with God enough to know that the apocrypha had no place in scripture and not just a compilation done thanks to having custody of the books!

Luther was sure being gracious here.

But for the efforts of people like himself, Tyndale etc (who put their life on the line due to possible martyrdom by the catholic Church) the Bible would have been a hidden book being the exclusive preserve of the catholic clergy who will then decide what should be taught and what to make the people believe. (by the way they did not give us the word as its original authors!).

From history, we can see that the RCC did not act for the public good like Luther,Tyndale etc did; there were other motives for the custody of the books gathered and compiled else why did they conceal it from the public? and why were people like Luther, who sought to place it in every hand ,persecuted (and some martyred) if there was no ulterior motive? But God Whose Word it is (and Who can use a raven to fulfil His purpose) overruled!

Even Luther knew he acted (publishing the 95 thesis, translating the Bible to the people's mother tongue etc) at the risk of being burned by the Catholic Church! Why? because, inter alia, he declared the truth as found in the Bible (previously concealed)that the just shall be justified and shall live by faith!

Papist:
He is telling you to go to the Church which canonised the Bible. The Church which told you that Genesis to Revelation is scripture. That Church is the Catholic Church and it canonised the Bible at Carthage, Hippo and Rome in the 4th century, more than 1000 years before the first Protestant.

Listen to the major Protestant father Martin Luther here:
Commentary on St.
John (ch. 16), "we are
obliged to yield many
things to the papists
[Catholics]--that they
possess the word of
God which we
received from them,
otherwise we should
have known nothing
at all about it."

btoks:
you verify the authencity of belief by going to the church established by Jesus. Paul did it this in Galatians 1 and 2 as well as acts 15..we are also asked to go to the church in Matt 18 15.also it is the church that is the bulwark and pillar of truth 1tim3 15

italo:
When Jesus was in Mary's womb, in the streets of Israel, on the cross...was he God or mere man?

italo:
Still dodging simple questions in the usual dubious protestant/pentecostal style. Let me post them again:


Show me where the Bible says Luke was under the influence of the Holy Spirit?

A lot was written, both good, ordinary and bad.

Compilation involved picking the inspired and removing the uninspired from circulation in the Church and among the people of God.

Was God's Church infallible in doing that or where they error-prone?

italo:
You still can't show me where the Bible said Luke wrote the book of Luke, and that it was tried and found to be error free. Because in biblical times, "scripture" meant Old Testament. Many of the books of the New Testament were not even written then.

Also, who is error-free? God alone or God and Bible writers alone?