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Emusan:
But the Son knows ALL THINGS

The Holy Spirit know the very MIND OF GOD even the DEEP THINGS

And the greatest surprises, The Holy spirit knows THE THOUGHT OF GOD.

Do you understand what it means to know someone's THOUGHT?

Emusan:
The Holy Spirit knows the Very MIND OF GOD even THE DEEP THINK

This shows that the Three persons of the Holy Trinity knows EVERYTHING.
And the Son KNOWS ALL THINGS according to those Jesus spoke in their presence and Jesus didn't rebuke them.

Definitely, you're the one missing something.

Emusan:
You're the one who lacks the very basic knowledge of English language.



Where did he separate it?

Peter used PARTAKE which means NOT IN FULL



This is pure ignorance!

If @underlined is true, it means those million of angels or billion of angels are also GOD.

It's like saying since everything in the physical world are grouped under the name PHYSICAL then they all have the same FORM AS HUMAN.

Apostle Paul explained this in 1 Corin 15 take your time to read it without holding your Watchtower or Awake

Emusan:
And The Holy Spirit knows the VERY MIND OF GOD.

The Sin also KNOWS ALL THINGS.

These are scriptural facts.

Funny enough how you people speak for the scripture.

THE HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD, what does that tell you?


The SON KNOWS ALL THINGS.

So, you're the one who doesn't understand Jesus, His disciples understood Him very well and they later concluded that Jesus knows ALL THINGS.

Emusan:
Can you imagine the nonsense.

You want to forgive the Disciples when they made that statement in the PRESENCE of Jesus.

You're the one making Jesus to be a liar.

At least you didn't disagree that Jesus DIDN'T KNOW ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE.

Jesus emphatically said The son, himself doesn't know the day and hour. Are you now implying Jesus lied ?

I have said it times without number, Jesus didn't lie and the disciples who heard Jesus making that statement still BELIEVE JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS, so the only issue here is YOU WHO FAILED TO UNDERSTAND JESUS.

Even more embarrassing is the Fact that Jesus is the closest person to the Father in the universe, If he doesn't know the day and hour, how could anyone else know?

The Holy spirit WHO KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD and all the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY ARE INSEPARABLE.

This alone renders the whole holy spirit is a person thing in the gutters.

Your philosophy not the scripture.

The scripture is very clear Holy spirit is a PERSON:

What makes one to be a person:
1. Ability to know
2. Self consciousness
3. Having mind.

According to the scripture show me how The Holy spirit lacks any one of this.

Unless you want to imply holy spirit is the closest person to the Father over Jesus.

You see the reason you keep jumping around.
From personification to blablabla


The Holy Spirit KNOWS the very mind of God, you don't need any dictionary to understand this means He is very CLOSE TO THE PERSON.

Lastly, all the THREE PERSON are inseparable.

Read scripture for yourself.

Sand2022:
This nature is not the same as Divine Nature that Christ shares with the Father. No. In Heb 1, Christ is said to be the exact facsimile of God's Being - Hypostasis. And we have also seen that Christ is worshipped as God is. Also remember that in the beginning the word WAS, not the Word "is". So Christ has been there before the beginning. John 1:3 says all things were created by Christ. Not even one thing came into being without him. So he is not created and has no beginning and end. Compare 1tim 6.

So the Divine Nature we are talking about here is the uncreated Nature of God. Phil 2 says Christ was in God's form before coming to earth. Only God possess this nature, so if Jesus possess it, he is God as such is worshipped. So it is no surprise that we see Jesus occupy what naturally should be Jehovah's and even to be worshipped. You don't dare give that to a mere creature. Check my Part 4 of this series.

The divine nature that 2Pet has in mind is that of Christ's glory. Christ was flesh when on earth and later got a glorified. That is what the anointed will get. They won't get what Christ is before his humanity. It's not even possible. See how the Insight comments on it:

Insight under Nature:

That this is a sharing with Christ in his glory as spirit persons, Peter shows in his first letter: “God . . . gave us a new birth [a·na·gen·neʹsas he·masʹ, “having generated us again”] to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you.” (1Pe 1:3, 4)"

Emusan:
The unscriptural point it that Holy spirit isn't a person.

The Holy spirit is a person and He Knows the Very Mind of God reason why you want it to be PERSONIFICATION.

When Jesus was discussing with people and told them "ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" the same Disciples later confess that Jesus ACTUALLY KNOWS ALL THINGS.

So, you having problem to understand Jesus shouldn't be anybody's fault.

Jesus disciples in whom Jesus made that statement in their presence know more than you that is why they confess that OUR MASTER AND LORD KNOWS ALL THINGS. John 16:30

The next lie will be how ALL THINGS in that verse should be limited to something something

Emusan:
There's nothing Jesus did not know.
Holy spirit knows EVERYTHING.
I so much like the scripture you quoted.
Firstly, but today you claimed you know Jesus that He is even Angel Michael which means you've become The Father then
Secondly, the point Jesus was making is at the @underlined part.

The rest of your post:

Holy spirit knows the VERY MIND OF GOD.

Whenever you see them with @underlined, just know their manipulation had started.

If it's not PERSONIFICATION then you know your entire argument fell flat and your lying mouth exposed that is why you want it to be PERSONIFICATION.

Just remove that PERSONIFICATION NONSENSE FROM YOUR HEAD AND SEE THE TRUTH.

Emusan:
Number 3 fact: Holy spirit knows GOD'S MIND

Jozzy4:
" ONLY " The Father knows 😂😂

Don't be ashamed, both are two persons . Tell us how many Knows 😂😂😂😂

Sand2022:
So far, we have discussed the meaning of Trinity in my earlier post, and the last post I made is why Jesus cannot be said to be a creature. The main point of that post was on John 1:3, that apart from him not even one thing was made. That shows that Jesus cannot be reckoned as a creature.

Today, we are still exploring why Jesus needs to be seen as of the same nature as the father. Let's start with Genesis.

Gen 1:26-27
Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” 27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them

This scripture is significant to the topic. It is a scriptural fact that we are made in God's image, not the image of a creature. Here God is revealing something, that he is not the only one involved here. There is US. then in verse 27, the bible goes further to say that God went on to create man in HIS image. In verse 26, there is US, then in verse 27, there is God, singular. This is one proof that the one who had the same image as God here must be of the same essence or nature with God. There is no way to run away from that.

To further support the point of similar nature, see how Heb 1:3 puts it:

3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high."

Notice, the exact representation of his very what? Being. Take note of that word. The Greek word used here for exact representation means a facsimile of something. It means that Christ is of the same Being of God. The word is hypostasis, meaning Substance or Essence. In other words the same Nature as God. When you hear the Trinity recitation of "God from God, very God of Very God", this verse is the key to that phrase. They mean that Christ is of God's Nature. That is why in my previous article, I said that perhaps God split Himself in two, and assign role of Son to the second Facsimile of Himself.

Creating us in his image means we are able to manifest His qualities. God cannot connect His uncreated image to someone who is created. If Jesus was a creature, it will be misleading for God to say that man was created in His image, it would rather be God's image and the image of another creature that he made man. God can say that the image is "Our Image" in reference to others, if those ones are of the same Nature as himself. Being of the same nature, we can then use singular and say, we are made in God's image.


2. Jesus is a Universal Sovereign:

We know that only God is the universal sovereign. That is also the belief of Jehovah's witnesses. However, scripture shows that Jesus is viewed as the SAME Universal Sovereign as the Father. Let's see Genesis once more.

Gen 3:
22 Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever,—” (NWT)

This might not appear to be a great point, but you will see what a point it is when you realize the meaning of knowledge of good and bad as taught by the witnesses. Jehovah's witnesses agrees with the position mentioned in the Jerusalem Bible (1966).

In describing what this knowledge of good and bad means, see what the Insight says:

"This knowledge is a privilege which God reserves to himself and which man, by sinning, is to lay hands on, 3:5, 22. Hence it does not mean omniscience, which fallen man does not possess; nor is it moral discrimination, for unfallen man already had it and God could not refuse it to a rational being. It is the power of deciding for himself what is good and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral independence by which man refuses to recognise his status as a created being. The first sin was an attack on God’s sovereignty, a sin of pride."

The teaching of JWs is that by eating of that fruit, Adam and Eve were like God to themselves. They are in effect saying that eating of that fruit is right, when the Universal Sovereign has decreed that it is wrong. That is an attack on the universal sovereign's exclusive right to determine what is right and what is wrong.

To make it simple, the phrase "knowing good and bad" means setting standard of right and wrong". And only God has that right.

Now notice that the same phrase occured at Gen 3:22, but there God is saying that he is not the only one who has the right to get standard of right and wrong. Interesting, right? See what it says:

"Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad."

This statement shows that Jesus also is a Universal Sovereign just as God is a universal sovereign. But because they are of the same essence, we don't have two universal sovereigns but one.

Another reason why Jesus is a universal sovereign.

Jesus is the king of Kings. Let's read 1 Tim 6

"to observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times. He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal might. Amen." (NWT) JWs view this verse as referring to Jesus.

Jesus Christ at Rev 17:14; 19:16 is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords. This is clearly pointing to the fact that he is a universal sovereign. The Governing Body will say that this is in reference to earthly kings, that Jesus is there king. Of course, but let's inquire, for servants of Jehovah, both in heaven and on earth, who is our king? Do Angels have another King other than Jehovah? So the only king for true worshipers is Jehovah. So to even call Jesus King of kings is to equate Him with the Sovereign of the Universe.

But notice another word used of Jesus in 1Tim 6:15, the "Only Potentate" . This word in Greek is dymastes, it stands for Ruler or Sovereign. He is here called the ONLY Potentate/Sovereign. By using the word ONLY, Jesus is identified as the Only Sovereign.

Notice again at the end of verse 16, Jesus is worshipped. It says:

"To him be honor and eternal might. Amen".

This is worshipful praise to Jesus.

Let's see another worship to Jesus.

3. Jesus is worshipped.

JWs teach that Jesus can be called a God, but that that God is just a title, not that he is worshipped. To prove Jesus Deity, let's start with the Old Testament.

Before Jericho was conquered, one unusual soldier appeared. Josh 5:14 reports:

"To this he said: “No, but I have come as prince of Jehovah’s army.” With that Joshua fell with his face to the ground and prostrated himself and said to him: “What does my lord have to say to his servant?” 15 The prince of Jehovah’s army replied to Joshua: “Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy.” At once Joshua did so."

JWs view this person to be Jesus. Notice verse 14, it says Joshua fell with his face to the ground and prostrated. Many translations used "worship" to translate "prostrate". Of course bowing one's face to the ground doesn't always mean worship, but there is a reason to say that here, it is worship, and that NWT was being biased. Why? In verse 15, Jesus, who is the Prince of Jehovah's Army didn't stop him from bowing, he even told him to remove his sandals for where he was standing is a holy place. This means that Joshua's bowing has changed to the level of worship. He is like in the presence of God Himself or the Ark of the covenant.

Jesus is worshipped in Isaiah 6:1-3

At John 12: 41, John made a striking statement. We read:

41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him.

JWs agree that this glory refers to what Isaiah saw at Isaiah 6:1-3. We read:

"In the year that King Uz·ziʹah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple. 2 Seraphs were standing above him; each had six wings. Each covered his face with two and covered his feet with two, and each of them would fly about with two. 3 And one called to the other: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies. The whole earth is filled with his glory. "

JWs do not see this as a proof of Christ deity, because they say that there are more than one persons here whom Isaiah saw their glory. They say that Jesus is equally there alongside Jehovah in the throne. (John 17:5) They prove their point by saying that in verse 8 of this chapter 6, Jehovah said " Who shall I send, Who will go for US". So they reason that the word US there is the same as US we find in Gen 1:26; 3:22 in reference to Jesus. This doesn't match.

But friends, even if that were true, it doesn't still remove the fact that Jesus is here worshipped. Notice what was said of this person on the throne. By shouting holy Holy Holy is Jehovah", that is praise assigned to only Jehovah ( Rev 4:8 will convince you). Notice also that this is holiness to the superlative degree. The Insight on the Scriptures (a book produced by JWs) says of this holiness:

"Those in the heavens are shown declaring: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies,” attributing to him holiness, cleanness in the superlative degree."

So if they insist that Jesus was also included in what Isaiah saw on the throne, it shows that Jesus is indeed a Deity just as Jehovah is. Isn't that wonderful?. How can all the Angels sing this praise to Jesus, if he was in fact a creature like them? Isn't that a creature worship? Now you're seeing why I reconsidered this subject of Trinity.

But let's look at that Isaiah 6:1-3 without the jWs bias, and we will appreciate that Jesus is in fact that one being seen here by Isaiah. John 12:41 says Isaiah saw his (Jesus) glory, and "spoke about him, not Jehovah, mind you. So who did Isaiah see? Isaiah answers:

"I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne." The final sentence says the whole earth is filled with his glory

So John is saying that Isaiah saw his glory and spoke about him. Who Isaiah saw and spoke about is Jesus. in my future article, we will see that scriptures used for God is applied to Jesus. But now Isaiah wrote mentioned only Jehovah, but John says he saw jesus. Some have concluded that this means that they are the same person, but that's not accurate.

Isaiah seeing his glory shows that Isaiah saw Jesus, but Isaiah calls him Jehovah. Why? Because they are of the same nature. Remember that Joshua seeing Jesus as he appeared as the Commander of Jehovah's Army. Now at Josh 6:2, that Jesus is referred to as Jehovah. (Compare John 17:12; Exod 23:21). This is another proof that they are of the same essence. We see this also in Psalm 102:25-27, where Paul applied what one would understand as praise to God the Father to Jesus. (Heb 1:10-12) There is no contradiction if we see that they share similar nature. You can switch the the glory you give to each of them and still be correct.

At Isaiah Chapter 48:11, Jehovah says He gives his glory to no one else. But at John 17:5, Jesus says he had always shared in His father's glory. Contradiction? No. This can only be the case because they are of the same nature. If you worship God, Jesus also shares in that glory. The same if you worship Jesus.

But what further proof do I have that Jesus is in fact worshipped? Next week Thursday, let us now move to the New Testament scriptures proper to prove that Jesus receives worship.

So far, we have proved that Jesus is not created, and that viewed from the Old Testament scriptures, he must be of the same nature as God the father, because He has the same image, He is a Universal sovereign and He is worshipped by Joshua and the Angelic Host.

These are links to my previous discussion on this topic of Trinity:

Part 1 https://www.nairaland.com/8185855/jw-pimo-reconsiders-trinity-doctrine

Part 2 https://www.nairaland.com/8192278/part-2-jw-pimo-reconsiders/2#131731691

If you want to see more of my writeup about JWs theology, go to my profile and see my series on "Ministry to JWs". I have over 12 articles on their teachings.

https://www.nairaland.com/sand2022/topics

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oteneaaron:
I still remember the last time an Elder tried to shame me for keep beards.

I simply asked him to show me where in the Bible it was specifically stated that I shouldn't keep beards.

Of course, he couldn't answer.

advanceDNA:
Is this sarcasm or what??
I don't get it.... Why is that u women like to advise other people's sons badly....but if it's ur own son or brother ..u always look out for their welfare....

How can a u advise a man to marry a woman woman lusting after other men even a few days to marriage.... I mean is cheating and not having proper boundaries not the deal breaker for you women....so since when did being a good man and a community penîs go together for u "

LilMissFavvy:
Hmm, so you are still waiting for Miss. Perfect?

As for the Op, my advice is that your brother should think of the attributes of this lady. Does she have good characteristics? If she loves him, is well mannered, etc, then he can forgive her and marry her. If she doesn't possess other good attributes, then he can let go. There is no perfect human and mistakes happen.

Lekan239:
lol. They will say the one sold for 5m dollar is aba made/fake. The one advertised by Ola for 16m dollar 18billon naira is the original.

Meddymeddy:
I have seen plentiful post about failed marriages on the Internet. Most marriages only last a couple of years before divorce comes up. Although there are few happy marriages. The ratio for happy marriages and failed marriages is 20:80. There are many factors that contribute to failed marriages which include cheating, unfaithfulness, finance etc. Some just wake up and realise that their wife is no longer attractive ( did they force her on you? ). Back in the days marriages were pre set up whereby couples barely knows themselves. Nowadays you see couple dating for 6-10years and when they finally get married issues will start poping up.

Maybe marriage should be like a contact after some years it will be terminated depending on how long the couple want it to be

lagosrd:
He is doing fine for his age but he should learn how to things rightly. Inflated figures will deter a group of interested people and could set the youth on a mission impossible or desperate adventure of hunger for money.

lagosrd:
Who is ola, he needs to get his facts right, get little education in the field he is pursuing not necessarily a former school, training or something. And stop all these gallivanting up and down saying what is not real.

BigDawsNet:
Ola was only dashing out information he was supplied with... he doesn't have any idea if the jet price is real or not... not really his buisness...

Can't wait to buy my own jet someday! GOD GO DO HAM

Whoknow:
He was.referring to the physical body.

Whoknow:
Do you know that there is physical body and spirit body?

maticar:
so how did he disappear from their midst if in the flesh?

004gist:
Matthew 5:30 Read your Bible. jesus said u should even cut that ur tongue if it will prevent u from making heaven. its better u go to heaven with out tongue than enter hell with it

maticar:
flesh and spirit for as is Jesus now

If our Lord opens his hands and chest right now, you will see the marks of crucifixion - so why is a spirit man (son of God) bearing a mark he took while on earth as flesh??

remember after his death he walked with them 40 days and all eyes saw him

he told the doubting apostle on that day to touch his wound and put his hand in his body to feel the marks

but he didnt walk through the door, he appeared as a spirit would

now thats the body we will have in eternity

Musty112:
This is always sad to see. Siblings fa. But then, never be the cause of family ties being severed. Try as much as possible to stitch it together, the lord will surely bless you for it

Rubyjade:
Let's start with the bible!
1. Most, if not all, of the cases recorded had to do with each or both parents taking sides (favouritism) with a particular child! E.g. Esau and Jacob, etc.

2. When one sibling is doing better than the other in any or all aspects, it breeds jealousy - a hydra headed vice to possess! E.g Cain and Abel, Joseph and his siblings, etc.

3. Other factors such as peer influence, intolerable bad character of sibling(s), etc...


Lemme stop here...

However, in my opinion, primarily, if I witness any case, I'd blame the parent/guardian first, before asking questions, cos they're expected to nib such buds early in life!

Foodqueen:
Growing up I never knew that there could be grudges among siblings that aren't staying together anymore.

But over the years, I understand that even the tiniest of things will cause them to fight.


Don't even forget spouse. Wife and husband could be manipulative too.

Hamachi:
Hmn. I don't even know where to start. I believe siblings fall apart for a number of reasons. Envy is one of these reasons. We should all realize that though siblings come out of the birth canal of the same Mother, their destinies are different. The eldest child might not be the most successful child. In a family of 7 children, the 5th born might become richer than the other children due to reasons best known to God and hardwork. Sometimes, strife among siblings is caused by the Father or Mother who openly love one child than the others. The other children will notice this as they grow up and resentment and hate for the favored child sets in. Naturally, there will be competition among siblings but the behaviour of Parents also lead to disharmony among siblings later in life. So when the 4th born starts prospering than his senior brothers and sisters, strife sets in. I have also observed that wives and husbands of siblings also contribute to them falling apart. Women are naturally very competitive and they can wreck havoc on the love between two brothers. I know what I am saying because I have experienced this directly. The wife of an elder brother might not be too happy seeing her husband's junior brother doing well than him. So jealousy sets in and we all know what can happen.

In Europe and North America, there is little love between siblings because of the pressure to see who makes it big first. We have this absurd belief in Africa that the first born must do well than his junior siblings and that they must look up to him all the time. I have since thrown this belief into the dustbin and I've focused on my future with a view to doing well in life. Jay Jay Okocha's brother started playing football before him. Emmanuel Okocha played for the Super Eagles one or two times but Austin Okocha became a legend in the Nigerian National Team. It was even Emmanuel that took Austin Okocha to Germany. Jay Jay played for Clubs in Europe that his elder brother could only dream of. Yet they are still close to one another without any acrimony between them. Same obtains between Emmanuel and Celestine Babayaro. So I believe siblings should love one another and realize that our destinies are different because it is God that has the final answer as to what we will become in life. Cheers.

maticar:
ofcourse all our senses will be present after death

remember it says the rich man complained of torment and unbearable heat(fire?) hence he asked for just a drop of water

what do you think about that?

maticar:
every person good or evil will have a eternal body on the ressurection day

the good people will have christ kind of body as they ascend, the bad guys will also take on flesh, judged and thrown whole into lake of fire
there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

maticar:
In hell there will be weeping and gnashing of 'teeth'

if teeth will be present in hell why wont the tongue?

besides can you weep or cry without a tongue?