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There is fire on the mountain.

That 3 set mistake where Nadal should have gone 4:2 up might bite back.

Eportal123:
Medvedev is winning.

Nadal is somehow tired and Medvedev has figured a way a win

Nadal will figure a way to win.

Kindly accept my pm.

EnthronedbyGod:
You sent me a PM, I believe you should have asked me this question there, but no p, the truth is I don't want people to misunderstand me when I give you an answer.

I didn't really want to answer your question here, but will do.

1- Every true ministers salvation must be verified, but not everyone must have a father in the Lord or a direct authority above him, Paul was a clear example of this.

2- I wish I had a father in the Lord growing up as a Christian, cos it would have made a lot of things easier for me.

3- My race as a Christian has been somehow strange.

I'll share a little story with you, so you'll understand me better

In a sense,he had Barnabas.

EnthronedbyGod:
Paul didn't have anyone as a father in the Lord, for he received the gospel he preached by revelation, but it came to a point in his ministry that he was led by the Spirit of God, to go identify with those that had gone before him.

Galatians 2:2- And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

If he didn't do this, his ministry would have had question marks, not because he needed their validation , but it made his gospel more acceptable and he ended up not running in vain.

You see why i asked u now.It is not only because of questions,but also because of accountability.There are always a destiny company.

EnthronedbyGod:
God told me my time was drawing near, but that the moment my time comes, He will direct me to the pastor of one of the mega Churches, whom I'll serve under for a very short spell, before starting on my own.


He said it was necessary I served under someone of repute for a short while, no matter how short, cos if I don't my ministry will have a lot of question marks.


I've been waiting for this , but I'm yet to receive a signal.

This is why I don't have anyone I can really call father in the Lord yet, but I have a lot of great men of God I admire.

I intentionally didn't name any Church

Hope you understand now.


God bless

I am not interested in the church u attend.I asked because i wanted to know if u are submitted to any authority.

EnthronedbyGod:
Is this part of the subject.

I'm been a pastor in more than one ministry, and I'm connected to more than one ministry.

There are men of God, I admire and love their ministry.

I won't answer this question, cos I'm not here to preach church, but Jesus.

Op,if i may ask,who is your spiritual father? Or which ministry are u connected to.

The truth is he might really love God.I think he opened himself up in his quest to know God.Now he is being entertained by lying and deceiving spirit.If he was ignorantly deceived,the Lord will help him but if he continue,knowingly, to cooperate with the spirit,he is on his own.He will bear the consequence.

Liquidwords:
I am forced to comment because of the responses. The Jnr individual has never displayed a Spirit of Meekness, Love and Openness.

The very first day I saw his posts I knew within me he was bound by Deceiving and Seducing spirits. His is a classic case. There are worse cases I have seen the are operations of the spirit of religion. The spirit that "preaches" Christ and "acts" like it but is actually of the devil.

No serious Christian who has the Holy Spirit living within them will see Jnr's posts and say he is a Christian. Not every spirit that shouts Jesus is of God. The guy's posts are so crazy it is a wonder anybody pays attention to them.

Paul teaches us to shun and separate from people like these. Because thy harm the faith of others and divide the body of Christ.

The truth is the guy has been taken captive,as he was seeking the things of God, by a spirit that is not of God and he is cooperating with the spirit.The spirit has built a stronghold in his mind(whatever anyone says cant get to him). The spirit(spirit of pride) will be telling him that he is more spiritual than ppl opposing him which is why they cant understand him.You can only pray for him that the Spirit of God in him will help him,for only the spirit inside can convince him.He lives in his own world now,no wonder op said he needs a divine encounter.Pple shouldn't seek spiritual things without the word of God cos many enter into error by so doing.

Liquidwords:
I have followed this thread quietly. I have looked through your posts and your words. It is very likely you were born again at some point in your life. But I don't know what you are "walking" with right now, but it is 150% definitely NOT the Spirit of God. If I were to speak with discernment I would say you have fallen under the power of Deceiving Spirits, Seducing Spirits coupled with the very evident spirit of pride.

You have fallen into Heresy and False teaching. You preach "another gospel" and you clearly have lost touch with the Bible and the heart of Christianity.

You actually have everything needed to become a false messiah and a personality cult. The powers at work in you have covered your spiritual eyes with a "god complex" and young man, you are surely heading for perdition if you stay on this path. I know you can't accept these words because it is even in your power anymore to do so.

I willing to bet that you have never seen any vision of Jesus. Whatever it is you saw it wasn't The Lord Jesus Christ who gave himself for us. There are many false spirits in the world with strange voices and you are in their hold.

I am willing to bet you have never had an encounter with God. A man may preach for 50 years and never encounter God. From Genesis to Revelation every single soul who did great things for God did it on the wings of an encounter. No Christian outgrows spiritual encounter. Whatever "Level of Walk with the spirit" you have is a BIG figment of your imagination.

You have clearly never been caught up in heavenly visions, you don't know the voice of the Holy Spirit, you have never even healed someone with a headache.

You are in bondage. But you can't see it. The OP of this thread @EnthronedbyGod knows this that's why he won't bother engaging you. Only the power of prayer will deliver you. And it is act of love to pray for the deliverance of a brother. That's what I think the OP is doing.

I know I know all this is rubbish and nonsense to you. I understand that you can't accept. But, hey, I just thought to throw it in still free of charge so when you are finally delivered you will come here one day and say "Mein Gott! Was I this far gone?" And guess what, you are young man.

You know all those "Jesus of Oyingbo" and "Jesus of Ikot Ekpene" yea those guys, you are following their foot steps. You know where they are now?

I know you will come up with a lengthy response to defend the sinking sand you are stuck in. You can't help yourself. But, maybe you will try and "unlook" and say "God bless you" just to look righteous. That doesn't help your case.

If you are still in there, and you have any will power left, turn back NOW to God. Where you are walking to, your feet will soon fall out from under you.

I truly hope God helps you.

Cheerio

P.S: your use of the word "For" is hard on the eyes and awkward. For I know that this is not very in sync with grammar. Sorry, I am doing it.

Olawale for President.

You need to understand the bible well before u speak.There is the human spirit and there is the Spirit of God.The spirit Paul was referring to was the human spirit, and u need to understand the context he was speaking.Don't just take a verse and isolate it.The Corinthians Church were behaving disorderly, because when they receive from the Spirit of God,many of them were trying to speak at the same time thereby causing confusion and what was suppose to bless them was causing problem.So Paul told them that God is not the author of confusion,that they should speak one by one.Moreover,their human spirit is subject to their control.,it was not the Holy Spirit he was talking about.It is the human spirit that u use to receive from the Spirit of God first.When u receive a word from God, how do u receive? is it not by ur spirit.Can u decide to share it or not? Is ur spirit not under ur control ? So get the context.Paul was referring to the human spirit,the one he referred to in 1 Cor 2:12, Now we have received,not the spirit of the world,but the spirit which is of God;that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.Don't yield to the teachings of demons,purge ur thinking.Do u know much Jesus is jealous abt his church,why would God permit error to be part of the scriptures. Paul was a man tested and trusted by God,someone filled with the same holy spirit DAT u claimed told u it was an error.If Paul,that is publicly approved of God and set as an apostle,could be wrong(according to u),how much more u.Let us be humble.The bible says knowledge puffs up....And if any man think that he knoweth any thing,he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

jesusjnr:
MISTAKE No. 7 Correction

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Now just as several other sayings or teachings of Apostle Paul, this concerning the spirit of the prophets with respect to the church is a teaching exclusive to Paul, for at the time, the only spirit associated with the church was the Spirit of God.

For after departure of Jesus, it was the Spirit of God that was said to have been sent to take His place and represent Him as the comforter, guide, teacher etc., of the church.

And the Holy Spirit was so important to the church that He was said to be the reason Jesus had to leave His church and the Earth behind.

John 16:7 (KJV)

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

And Jesus also gave this instruction to His church to show how essential the Spirit of God was to the church being able to carry out it purpose and the task which they had been saddled with:

Luke 24:47-49 (KJV)

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:8 (KJV)

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So it was the Spirit of God that was going give the church the power to carry out the task given to it to bear witness unto the Truth, hence the need for the church to wait for Him before proceeding with the task.

And He did on the day of Pentecost as I have already shown in the previous correction, as the Spirit of God was the one that first drew the attention of the world to the church via the the utterances he gave to them of tongues. (Acts 2)

Therefore it was the Spirit of God that was in charge and had full control of the church at the beginning, so where did the idea of Paul that "the spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets" with respect to the church come from?

For the Spirit of God was not the spirit of the prophets, therefore He was not subject to the prophets but to God.

And even the prophets themselves in the church ought to be subject to the Spirit of God who was in charge of the church and by whom the church was led.

So how much more their spirits which was subject to them?

Therefore this saying of Paul has proven itself to be one of his biggest and most influential mistakes of his teachings considering how important the Spirit of God was to the church, for despite that it was intended to bring order and decency to the church according to him, it has ended up stifling and ordering the Spirit of God out of the church.

For the Spirit of God cannot be subject to man, neither could He struggle with men for control over the church, since the men of the church have to submit themselves to His control for Him to be able do His job and express Himself to the extent He is able to do.

So it's either Him in charge of the church or man, and since the church had chosen the spirit of the prophets which was subject to the prophets, as they usually say in observation of this error of Paul's teachings, the church has what the church asked for, even the spirit of the prophets instead of the Spirit of God which it needs.

And though Paul tried to used the idea of God not being the author of confusion to justify this gross error, what he seemed not to realize was that confusion in the sight of men, could be orderliness in the sight of God, for the ways of God are very opposed to the ways of men.

For what transpired when the Holy Spirit first came upon those of the church where men were speaking in different tongues at the same time as the Spirit of God gave utterance would be seen as confusion and disorderliness in the sight of men, for some men were said to have mocked those of the church to be drunk to describe how chaotic the scenario was.(Acts 2:13)

But because the church was not subject to the order of men but to order of the Spirit of God, who was allowed to have His way and to fully express Himself, the confusion and disorderliness in the sight of men led to the salvation of thousands, as the Spirit of God was able to draw the world to the church by Himself, even before the church had left the building to begin to bear witness to the world. (Acts 2)

So that can only happen when the church is not subject to the spirit of the prophets but to the Spirit of God, for the difference could be illustrated by the result of that church which was subject to the Spirit of God and this church which is subject to the spirit of the prophets.

Therefore today's church cannot expect to produce the same results when it doesn't let the Spirit of God which was sent to help the church, to have His way in the church as that church did.

And something happened in a church gathering related to this, where the Spirit of God was having His way, but in other to bring man's idea of order to the place, the saying of Paul "the spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets" was immediately applied.

And I heard the Spirit of God say to me, "that's how they chased Me out of the church."

And it really made sense, for the same Spirit of God that came upon the church at the beginning was still here on Earth, so why is the result different with the church?

It is because this church would not allow the spirit of God to have His way as that church did.

So if the church truly wants the Spirit of God to perform to the extent of His capacity as He did when He first came upon the church, there no other way but for the church to fully subject itself to the Spirit of God and let Him have His way, just as the church at the beginning did.

For it's only then they could get to see the Holy Spirit do what He knows how best to do, which is to draw the world to the Truth.

The bible says knowledge puffs up......,And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
1 cor 2:12 says : Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.It is clear Paul was referring to the human spirit which receives from the Spirit of God.The context he was talking about was that of order,it is possible for the Spirit to give a word to many believers in a meeting at the same time but in the case of the Corinthians,they were trying to speak at the same time thereby causing disorder.So Paul was telling them to speak one by one,that the human spirit is under their control.

jesusjnr:
Many wonder why today's church is not able to replicate or match the extent of works that was associated with the church when it first began, despite that the Spirit of God which made the church to be what it was at the beginning and gave the church the capacity to do such extent of works, had not yet left the Earth since He came, but is still very much present on Earth today as He was in those days.

But what they don't know is that despite that He is still here on Earth as He was in those days, that He has long left the church building, and is no longer inside as He used to be then when the church first began.

For the spirit now inside the church building is not the Spirit of God but the spirit of the prophets, that's why it is not able to do the same extent of works as the Spirit of God is able to do, and did in those days with those of the church when He was inside the church building.

For then the church was able to do such extent of works because the church was subject to the Spirit of God, and allowed Him to have Him way, hence the Spirit of God doing His job and what the Spirit of God know how best to do and was sent to the Earth to do, which was to help the church fulfill its mandate.

But then the church appeared not to be satisfied with what it had then and was able to achieve by being subject to the Spirit of God, for the church yet desired a spirit it could control in the name of bringing man made order and decency to the church, and hence the saying "the spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets".

But in the process of achieving such a man made order to the church via the spirit of the prophets which was subject to the prophets, it ended up ordering the Spirit of God out of the church.

For the Spirit of God was not the spirit of the prophets, and therefore was not subject to the prophets, but only subject to God.

Therefore it was the prophets and consequently their spirits that ought to be subject to the Spirit of God and not the otherwise.

And so the church had what it wanted even the spirit that it could control, which was the spirit of the prophets, but it came at the expense of the Spirit of God which it could not control, for that was what it lost in the process of trying to bring such man made order to the church, which was supposed to subject itself to the order of the Spirit of God.

And the result is a church with order and a few works as a result of the spirit of the prophets, but not the extent of works it requires which can only be provided by the Spirit of God.

And that is bound to remain the order of the church, unless the church is ready to ditch the order of the prophets and revert back to the divine order of the Spirit of God.

Related thread links:

https://www.nairaland.com/4808209/many-mistakes-apostle-pauls-teachings/5#80197897

https://www.nairaland.com/4808209/many-mistakes-apostle-pauls-teachings/5#80241192

That is not the devil,that is just one small demon messing with u.Satan may not even know ur name.

jesusjnr:
As I was reading this your post, one funny incident just came to my mind.

It was a moment when I just felt the presence of the devil upon my back while I was lying faced down, and I was so furious that what spontaneously came out of my mouth was something mutha f....r, I didn't even mention the name Jesus, but omo see bailing.

That incident always makes me laugh because of the bleeping words i used on the devil that occasion that made the devil flee, and even the speed at which he fled.

It was as if he didn't expect to hear such words from my mouth, maybe he was expecting to hear something Jesus, so the shock was too much for him to bear.

The Truth is that Satan is more afraid of the Word that we keep, than the Word we speak, for it's the Word we keep that makes us to become as the Word, that we may not even have to call the name of the Word to chase away the devil as on that occasion, but whatever comes out of our mouths comes out in the name of the Word, and therefore has the capacity to make the devil flee.

God bless.

Think Church strenght. For (We) wrestle

jesusjnr:
Lol! Boast ke?

And yet I would say that the devil is a strong man? That's not boasting but saying the Truth just like Jesus did, so that people would not be caught unawares.

At the beginning I needed external help to be able to overcome him but now I have the spiritual capacity to overcome him without external help.

And i'm saying this so that people could be likewise for we need more people who are able to do so, I mean look at benefit of having such here in Nairaland.

So this has nothing to do with boasting but it is in God's interest and to detriment of the devil's works that there are more people who are truly stronger than the devil and not just by mouth making.

Keep boasting,those who know know.It is not by mouth.While I have encountered demons before,I haven't encountered the devil personally.Even the devil doesn't come to Nigeria often yet u claimed to have encountered him several times.

jesusjnr:
OK you've confirmed my views that you've never been, but only speaking based on what you think. But I have been severally and enthronedbyGod here also has, so why not wait till you become reach that level, so that you can also speak from experience.

For unless you do that then you won't have any idea what we're talking about.

You can also confirm what I said that he was speaking from a personal level as I am.

But please if you don't agree, let this matter rest for I think this thread is more important than this kind of blind argument.

Don't deceive urself that u had a confrontation with Satan.Even the devil might not have visited ur state since u were born.What level are u in the spirit that the devil will come for u personally.We are victorious because he was victorious.Our victory is in Christ ,not in ourselves. We are more than conquerors thru him.... We resist in his name and by his blood.

jesusjnr:
I am sure you have never had a one on one confrontation with Satan before, so I understand where you are coming from. For even He knows what we are talking about, for he was speaking from his own personal level not generally speaking.

For i can also say same from a personal point of view that the devil is powerless in my respect, because I have grown to the spiritual level where the devil is powerless, having faced him directly on several occasions, he has been powerless in my case. However from the direct confrontations I got understand why Jesus called the devil a strong man.

For it's easy for me with the other demons and forces of darkness, but when it comes to the devil himself, it is a different ball game. You can even ask angel Gabriel and Michael to confirm what i'm saying here.

You should also confirm what I said that you'd never had any direct tussle with the devil hence your saying this. For what Jesus said there was in His own respect, for it was by the extent of His spiritual capacity that He was able to be stronger than the strong man and spoil His goods as He did on that occasion, for this was even before His death.

That's why Jesus gave us the Word of the Spirit to be able to replicate His spiritual capacity and become stronger than the devil.

So if you have not kept it and grown to that spiritual level yet, but just think that because Jesus was stronger than the devil that automatically makes you stronger than the devil, wait until you meet the devil yourself so that you can speak from experience.

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Matthew 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Luke 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

Bind him,overcome him and taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted.From Jesus point of view, he has overpowered the devil and even took his weapons, so the scriptural picture of the devil is someone powerless.He was right for we are to speak the language of the spirit.

jesusjnr:
I absolutely agree with you on that, because for Jesus to use the illustration of strong man to describe the devil, means that the devil was indeed a strong man and that anyone who chooses to take that for granted might be doing that to his own peril.

But Jesus also talked about the stronger person who is able to overpower the strong man, so it's wise to observe it from that perspective that the devil is strong, but Jesus by the Spirit of God is stronger, so that we be able to follow His example to become likewise.

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