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People like you are the major reason why we have evil leaders.... If you think Obi is your problem then you've a long way to go.... We are in trouble if many Nigerians think like you....

pandoragirigory:
No man born out of woman or evil spirit like Peter girigory Obi can unseat Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Adekunle Tinubu Jagaban the Eze-chukwu of Igbo land, the president of the federal republic of Nigeria and biafra, the headsmasher and crusher of Peter girigory Obi and his people

You're shameless

Putinofrussia:
Another wailing Ipob.

It is absurd to think that after all brouhaha and shame Tinubu has brought to this country over the past 24 hours he will make a public resignation speech but unfortunate nothing has been said by the presidency or national assembly. This silence has shown a direct disdain and disrespect to Nigerians who are forced to bear the consequences of this shame that has plagued social media and international media since the news broke over the president's forged documents. Tinubu should bury his head in shame for his cowardly approach to the crisis. Our legislators who claim to represent Nigerians should also bury their heads in shame for failing to speak up or do the needful in an event like this that has international dimension and far reaching global damage to Nigeria's image. It is indeed sad that Nigerians have no one in government to fight for them or represent them in this trying times. In a sane society, Tinubu should've resigned by now and an independent investigation should've been instituted against him and INEC to ascertain the degree of irregularities that occured during the 2023 presidential election.

The deafening silence by the presidency, Tinubu, national assembly, anti-graft agencies and all stake holders should bother Nigerians. What is happening is a clear indication of deep rooted corruption, selfishness and criminality among those we call leaders. It's a shame indeed! Tinubu, where is your conscience?

Tinubu needs to resign or be impeached to forestall further international embarrassment and ridicule....

Wow! Frivolous? How is this man a foreign affairs minister? Nigeria in trouble....

I warned Nigerians over Muhammad Pate appointment as health minister. Another Bill Gates/GAVI stooge and their mission to continue vaccination programs in Nigeria. It is not surprising to see another mask mandate and vaccination program. Do not comply with these mandates and vaccines. Muhammad Pate can't be trusted.

Sad to see how this discussion thread has degenerated into another Tinubu vs Atiku vs Obi war when we should be looking at the dire state of our country and ways to salvage it. If the youthful population which I believe are many on this platform can only conjure up tribal sentiments on sensitive issues of public discuss then Nigeria is doomed. Your country is about to be destroyed, your battered national image has nothing left to cling to, your nation's economy is in a terrible state with N1000 now equal to $1. Here we are fighting over corrupt politicians (Tinubu, Atiku, Obi et al) it's a shame!

Okay I was only stating the obvious..... I guess it was your unrestrained urge to start another tribal vawulence that beclouded your judgement hence the post you made earlier. At times the comments I see on Nairaland are surreal.

Cruise777:
Please 🙏 you have kept your cool and the thread is as civil as possible

Ignore any distraction

Please don't quote me as I was only reacting to Cruise777 post

Robinmido:
Na how obi and igbos take appear for this post I still dey wonder. No let hatred kill you

Good you said "last quarter" although I can't confirm your claim but if true then do you think these investors will react positively with the latest development. Tinubu must resign or be impeached to restore what is left of Nigeria's dignity among nations.

Cruise777:
According to NBS website FDI for last quarter Tinubu administered as President, he made so much investment inflow

Investors are flowing in as we speak


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It is no longer a case of igbo or yoruba but to save what is left of Nigeria's image. Whether igbo or yoruba or hausa how do you attract foreign investors with a battered image and a criminal as president?

Cruise777:




If he resign or get impeached, it's Shetima that would take over not Obi

Shetima would pick a Yoruba Vice President


Ibos will never smell Aso Rock



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It is no longer gossip now that it has been proven that CSU document that was submitted to the INEC was forged. Based on the latest revelation as a result of the latest disclosure from CSU, the certificate that Tinubu submitted to INEC under oath is inconsistent with the certificates CSU issued in 1979 and subsequently, this is a clear indication that Tinubu forged his version of the certification. Among the inconsistencies and forgeries one major aspect of the exposé that amazes me is the fact that gender of the purported CSU student was stated as female in the official document. Is Tinubu a transgender?

In the midst of the monumental fraud and crisis it is my hope that Nigeria as a nation will survive this international embarrassment and shame. What needs to happen now in order to save what is left of Nigeria's international image is for Tinubu as a matter of urgency announce his resignation and tender an unreserved apology to the world and to Nigerians for damage his quest for power has caused the nation. If Tinubu refuses to resign then the national assembly must start impeachment proceeding on the president to save this nation from further ridicule and shame. Above all it is time for the patriots to rise and begin the quest to rid this nation of this evil government before it is too late.... As it stands there is nothing left to be proud of as a Nigerian....

Surprising you can't see the difference....

ecolime:
They said Buhari is Jibril from Sudan.

Now it's a two-faced Biden

These people never cease to amaze me

The 15 point negotiation agreement between FG, NLC and TUC seem weak as many of the points committed by Federal government are not based on fixed timelines. It is glaring that in 30 days NLC maybe calling for another strike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DbwokHPD8w
Two-Faced Biden

Sad and unfortunate that our justice system have been totally compromised to serve the interest of a few powerful politicians.... Where there is injustice there is no progress.....

WATCHOVER:
Judiciary failed themselves, they should expect it hot. Time will come they will need Citizens help but will never get.

Really? So no evidence was presented?

yarimo:
Judiciary work with evidence, obi and ATIKU can't provide any evidence

With what is playing out at the tribunal, it is glaring that the exercise was staged in favour of Tinubu and APC. The fact that Obi and Atiku was absent also lays credence to this. It is obvious to progressive and well meaning Nigerians that our judiciary arm of government is dead and officially another APC lap dog. The truth is that if the judges wanted to be fair, Tinubu shouldn’t have been sworn in as president in the first place. What we are witnessing on the floor of the PEPT is a well scripted verdict been read by a compromised judicial system…. It’s indeed sad and unfortunate that the judiciary which is meant to be the last hope of common man failed Nigerians….. Obi, Atiku and Nigerians will not get justice today…. Is there still hope for Nigeria?

Sad you're supporting this evil APC government and Tinubu, hope you're enjoying fuel at N180 per litre....

Christistruth03:
Excuse.

It is Obidients vs Election Tribunal

Other Nigerians are not with you

They are not the black version of Hitler's facist Nazis

Yes well said and good question what will be left of the soul and moral compass of the nation if this illegal APC government is allowed to continue.... The burden is now on judiciary to rescue this nation....

Racoon:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/08/tinubus-government-where-is-nigerias-soul-moral-compass-by-olu-fasan/

Many Nigerians will argue that it is the judicial institution without integrity that is constituting a drag on our country. I hope the judiciary will do the right thing and save this nation from further shame by upturning INEC Mahmood's shambolic presidential election....

The presidential election tribunal, by constitutional provision will on September 6 (tomorrow), 2023 deliver its judgment in the cases against Tinubu, INEC and APC. As the clock ticks, the high-profile cases have not stopped captivating public attention with all manners of allegations of malpractices flying from all sides against all parties, thereby fuelling series of misinformation, disinformation in both the social and conventional media against all the contenders including the judiciary which has the final say over the cases.

At about 4.00am on March 1, 2023, INEC declared Tinubu as the winner of the February 25, 2023 presidential poll on the grounds that his party APC scored the highest votes cast at the poll and that he secured not less than one quarter of the votes cast in each of at least two-thirds of all the states in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory (FCT) as required by law.

In the results announced on March 1, 2023, Tinubu polled 8,794,726 votes representing 36.61% of the total votes cast at the election to emerge winner. Atiku who came second scored 6,984,520 representing 29.07% of the votes cast, while Obi scored 6,101,533 representing 25.40% of the votes cast during the disputed election. Rabiu Kwankwaso of the NNPP came fourth with 1,496,687 representing 6.40% of the votes cast. Princess Chichi Ojei, the only female presidential candidate in the election was not near the first four as she pooled a lean 25,961 votes.

Within the first few weeks after Tinubu was declared winner, five political parties with their presidential candidates approached the registry of the Presidential Election Petition Court (PEPC) to challenge the election outcome. The aggrieved parties who met the deadline included the PDP with its presidential candidate, Atiku Abubakar and the Labour Party, with its candidate, Peter Obi. The rest were the AA with its presidential candidate, Solomon Okangbuan, the APM with its presidential candidate, Chichi Ojei and the Action Alliance with its presidential candidate, Major Hamza Al-Mustapha.

On May 8, 2023, a five-member Presidential Election Petition Tribunal began sitting at the Court of Appeal complex in Abuja. However, in less than one week after the panel began its proceedings, two of the aggrieved political parties withdrew their petitions at the tribunal. The affected political parties were the Action Alliance (AA) which fielded Solomon Okangbuan as its presidential candidate and the Action Alliance which fielded Major Hamza Al-Mustapha as its presidential candidate for the poll.

Chichi Ojei Vs Tinubu
Chichi Ojei together with her political platform APM is praying the tribunal to nullify the election of Tinubu on the ground that the APC did not properly sponsor Tinubu for fielding Mr Kashim Shettima as his vice presidential candidate without withdrawing his earlier nomination as a senatorial candidate. During the senatorial election, it was revealed that Shettima had been nominated by APC as a candidate for Borno Central Senatorial District and was later nominated by the same party as Vice Presidential candidate following the withdrawal of one Kabiru Masari, who was the initial Vice Presidential candidate to Tinubu.

Chichi Ojei and her political party are accusing Shettima and the APC of breaching the Electoral Act by engaging in illegal double nomination. This is why during the proceedings of July 14, 2023 where final addresses were adopted, APM, through its counsel, Andrew Malgwu, SAN, asked the court to invoke relevant laws to nullify the nomination of Tinubu and Shettima on the ground of unlawful, illegal and unjustifiable nomination.

Peter Obi Vs Tinubu
Peter Obi together with his political platform Labour Party (LP), also prayed the tribunal to invalidate Tinubu’s election. The petitioners called 13 witnesses before closing their case on June 23, 2023. In their final written address dated July 20, 2023, they argued that Tinubu and Kashim Shettima were not qualified to contest the poll. They argued that Tinubu was “fined $460,000 for an offence involving dishonesty, namely narcotics trafficking imposed by the United States District Court, Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division, in case No:93C 44833 between the United States of America and Tinubu while his running mate, Shettima, was the APC’s candidate for Borno Central senatorial district and vice-presidential candidate in the same election year.

Obi and LP also argued that Tinubu failed to win the majority of the lawful votes cast in the election, just as he could not secure one-quarter of the lawful votes cast in the Federal Capital Territory (FCT), Abuja as required by law.

They also contended that Tinubu “was not duly elected by majority of the lawful votes cast at the time of the election.”

Based on these allegations, Obi and his party urged the court to either declare him as the president-elect, in the belief that he scored the majority of the lawful votes during the election, or alternatively, nullify the entire election and order a fresh election based on the premise that as at the time of the election Tinubu was not qualified to contest the said election.

Also, Obi put forward five prayers in court. Three of them are alternative prayers to the two main ones.

In his two main prayers, he urged the court to declare Tinubu and Shettima unqualified to contest the February 25 presidential election.

In the second main prayer, the Obi urged the court to invalidate Tinubu’s victory due to his failure to win one-quarter of the lawful votes cast in the FCT.

Atiku Vs Tinubu
Atiku together with his political platform PDP, also prayed the tribunal to invalidate Tinubu’s election on ground of non-compliance with the provisions of the Electoral Act, 2022 in conducting the poll.

Atiku made the case that for any of the candidates in the February 25, 2023 poll to be declared winner, he or she must score 25% of votes cast in the Federal Capital Territory (FCT), arguing that the purported failure of Tinubu to meet the said constitutional requirement invalidated his election.

It is common knowledge that INEC deployed the Bimodal Voters Accreditation System machines for Accreditation of voters and uploading of photographic images of results sheets on INEC Results Viewing (IReV) portal in the last national elections. Atiku had further argued that whereas, Prof. Yakubu (INEC Chairman) had repeatedly assured the public that the February 2023 general election would be the best election ever, with the guaranteed use of the Bi-Modal Voters’ Accreditation System (BVAS) and real-time uploading of the polling unit results to the commission’s electronic collation system and Results Viewing Portal (IReV), the bypass and non-use of the BVAS machines in the transmission of the accreditation data and polling unit results of the election fundamentally and substantially affected the integrity of the results announced by INEC for both Tinubu and his political party APC.

Atiku is also invoking the margin of lead principle to assert that INEC’s hasty announcement of Tinubu as the winner of the presidential poll is unconstitutional and without due process. The principle states that when the margin of lead between the winner and the runner-up is less than the total number of voters affected by cancellations in their different polling units, the election is declared inconclusive and a re-run is organised.

During proceedings on August 1, 2023, when the final written addresses of parties in the case were adopted, Atiku’s lead counsel, Chief Chris Uche, SAN, prayed the court to overturn Mr Tinubu’s victory and declare Atiku Nigeria’s president.

He reiterated that the deployment of technology during the election by the electoral umpire “was to enhance transparency of results collation, where fraud often takes place.”

He said INEC argued during the court hearing that it could not upload results of the presidential election from the polling units due to a glitch that occurred on the IReV portal.

However, Mr Uche contended that during the 25 February presidential election, “there was a deliberate bypass of the technology to create room for manipulation of results.

He told the court that “INEC deployed technology in the conduct of the election. Therefore, the burden is on INEC to explain” how what transpired during the polls.

“The shutdown (of the IReV) was nationwide and created room for the manipulation of votes” in favour of Tinubu by INEC, Mr Uche argued.

Praying the court to ignore Mr Tinubu and other respondents’ defence, Atiku’s lead counsel, Chief Chris Uche said, “We urge your Lordships to do substantial justice and grant all the reliefs of the petitioners which we have clearly proved with evidence, while the respondents have refused to call witnesses in aid of their case.”

The Verdict
People voted in the last election, some with the last pint of their blood, but the results announced appear to be at a variance with the votes cast judging from the sentiments shared across the board. Those who complained were asked to go to court. This they have done and as it stands, the presidential election tribunal appears to be their only hope. In less than 24 hours from now, the tribunal deliver its judgment in these cases. The judiciary must know that Nigerians are watching and expect nothing less than a transparent adjudication so the Tribunal must uphold justice and delivery a fair judgement as anything short of justice is an invitation to anarchy.... The people's mandate must stand!

APC government of propaganda and lies..... Fixing the refineries will definitely cause a reduction in price over time because the government will have better insight on how much petrol Nigerians consume and can properly subsidy the cost of refining if the local refineries are working. You see commodities like petrol and diesel are key to the economy because it has a direct impact on Nigeria's manufacturing and production sector, it has to be subsidized to ensure stability in critical sectors of the economy. Fixing the existing refineries or building new ones through PPP (Public Private Partnership) will also encourage competition which will drive the price of petrol down overtime.....

When several local refineries are operating and producing fuel locally, competition within the downstream sector will drive the price of fuel down as supply will be higher than demand. Also regarding your question, when you produce locally the price for petrol is not controlled by international market forces but by cost of production (Cost of refining) this cost can be passed on as fees to other countries buying our refined fuel if government and local refinery owners decide to export the finish products (Petrol, Diesel, Kerosene....etc) to other countries.

Sheuns:
People keep saying if our refineries are fixed or we get lots of local refineries that are refining fuel for local consumption, the prices will remain the same or slightly lower.

The question is should we sell crude to local refineries for local consumption at international prices?

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You said "It is easy to borrow for refineries...but then the refineries have to make a profit so that the loans can be paid back. And that is achieved when subsidy is removed and the market is allowed to make a profit...." Just as I said in previous post, a responsible government should've ensured that our local refineries are working before removing subsidy..... The removal of subsidy without any working local refinery was callous of the government and a grave injustice on the Nigerian people.... The fact that you support Tinubu's fuel subsidy removal policy and the evil APC government in general is quite unfortunate "nairalanda1".... The way forward to forestall further economic decline and arrest the situation before fuel sells for N1000 per litre is for the government to cut down on bloated expenses and unfair remuneration packages enjoyed by politicians, reintroduce fuel subsidy to stabilize fuel price and provide a clear roadmap on when our national local refineries will begin production (They say PH refinery will start working by December but APC government can't be trusted). The government should be held accountable by Nigerians to follow through a clear roadmap that will ensure that atleast one local refinery is working..... Only when this is done can fuel subsidy be removed.....

nairalanda1:
Well, ye are right about subsides, but the problem is, in sane countries, they are paid for by taxes...not from oil income (unless you are Libya or Saudi that has a low enough population to swing it).

Also, subsides in most sane countries are in the form of tax breaks to reduce the cost of production...not the thing we do here where we force the market to sell below production cost, and pay the difference, which rises once costs of production rises.

Doing that for over 40 years made us run massive deficits, massive loans to cover the deficit, and wrecked our refineries. To say nothing of funding massive corruption.

It is easy to borrow for refineries...but then the refineries have to make a profit so that the loans can be paid back.

And that is achieved when subsidy is removed and the market is allowed to make a profit.

(Which is why NNPC is now rushing to fix its refineries right now. PH would be back, according to them, by the end of the year, Kaduna by the middle of next year).

Well, Atiku and Obi said they would remove subsides. I happen to agree with them. As did every other candidate except Sowore.

(Don't bring Obi's quote about partial removal of subsides...because that in essence admits that Buhari's partial removals were right.).

There is no international regulatory price for refined fuel as it depends on cost of production (Cost of refining)..... Unlike oil price that is regulated by OPEC

Cromagnon:
no
Intl price of fuel is over 700 per litre

You said "Because for many years, under the guise of subsidy, we were selling fuel at a loss, and paying a subsidy to cover the loss...which it could never do adequately. That led to the refineries running down, and then we became an importer...." Government subsidies can be seen as economic packages deployed to stabilize or grow critical sectors of a nation's economy. When you say "we were selling fuel at a loss...." are you referring to oil marketers or government? One major reason why subsidy was introduced was because of the importation of fuel due to our local refineries not working.... What led to the current state of our refineries was corruption and lack of will by those in government to fix the refineries and not subsidy. If the government was committed to fixing the old refineries or building a new one Nigeria won't be in the mess we are in today. The truth is that the status quo promoted corruption in the system which enriched many in government over the years.


You said "But Nigerians kept saying no to subsidy removal, encouraged by people like Tinubu who is in power now. And right now, we are in so much of debt that we cannot pay for subsidies anymore. Not without going into even larger debt. Not without running out of money in the next 5 years...." If Nigerian government had borrowed over the years to fix the refineries or build new ones we would've paid back the loan by now and won't be in debt.... I will say the fuel subsidy remains one major program Nigerians gained from the corrupt government since 1999.... so it was right that Nigerians said no to subsidy removal.... a responsible government should've made sure that our local refineries were working before removing the fuel subsidy if it must be removed..... I will say again that government subsidy is not a bad thing as it exists to stabilize key sectors of a nation's economy.....


You said "You don't have to like it. I don't. But for me it is either we suffer a lot now, or we get ten to twenty times what we suffer now in a few years...where the bank would be telling you you cannot withdraw money because there is no money...." Unfortunately this corrupt APC government now led by an illegitimate president who's policies and that of Buhari since 2015 are instrumental to the devastating economic realities we are facing today can't be trusted to sanitize the system and bring urgent reforms to improve the economy....

nairalanda1:
Because for many years, under the guise of subsidy, we were selling fuel at a loss, and paying a subsidy to cover the loss...which it could never do adequately. That led to the refineries running down, and then we became an importer.

We could have gotten the refineries up and running again by removing subsides and privatising NNPC, cutting it off from free government money and forcing it to work for its money.....like a legit company.

But Nigerians kept saying no to subsidy removal, encouraged by people like Tinubu who is in power now. And right now, we are in so much of debt that we cannot pay for subsidies anymore. Not without going into even larger debt. Not without running out of money in the next 5 years.

It is either we pay the market price of fuel from our pockets, or we pay for it at IMF rate in a few years, at IMF conditions.

You don't have to like it. I don't. But for me it is either we suffer a lot now, or we get ten to twenty times what we suffer now in a few years...where the bank would be telling you you cannot withdraw money because there is no money.