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@trueword

Thanks for the information.

FIFA 10 and anything football.

From watching NIgerian football, I have noticed that since 2000-2002, during the era of the OLisehs and the Finidis, NIgerian players do not play out their heart for the notional team. We have see players say they missed their way in London, missed their flights, won't play if they are not paid, and different excuses. Even when they play, it is clear fro their body language that they do not play for the national team with any passion at all-unlike with their club sides. The lackadaisical attitude really riles me as it is really sad to see these players take the fans for granted and not show any respect to NIgerians. For example, all can see how MIkel's attitude changed since the WYC in 2005. Since he started making big money in Chelsea, he has really shown great disrespect to Nigerians. My question is why this lackadaisical attitude and lack of passion in the SUper Eagles- a condition that is gradually seeping into the U21s and U17s? Is it a reflection of the general lack of patriotism in Nigerians as a result of the disdain we have for our government? Why are players like Odewinge the only ones that play their heart out? Does it have something to do with his foreign upbringing? Why is that when players like Martins, Yakubu, and Mikel finally get established in foreign clubs and seem like sure starters for the national team their attitude changes and they reek of arrogance and disinterest? Is this just human nature? Or does it have something to do with Nigerians psyche-whatever that means?

Of the greatest ife! Articulate Ife! What we are saying, ", "

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Oloshi!

Are the people that first posted several months ago still virgins?

Whats up? Aw are u ? Didn't mean to leave like that.

I will leave you to do that yourself. I really wish people vast in the medical/psychology/social field will contribute and help explain all these behaviors to me. They do not just seem normal at all.

Meaning?

Hey, you know you are correct, I want attention. But then I can pursue that in real life. Me thinks the real issue I am concerned with is not whether or not people's opinions diverge from mine. It is how loony the opinions are that they just seem unreal. Its like how no matter how much there is freedom  of press in America, no racist Congressman can call blacks niggers on national TV without being reprimanded, or support Hitler. It is because the world has generally drawn a line to say "Hitler reminds us of the worst in humans" and "It is wrong to call blacks niggers." So no matter how much freedom people have to express their opinions, there is a line consciously or unconsciously drawn to separate the acceptable from the unacceptable. The hate speech you are known for espousing is in my opinion not acceptable in matured discuss. So I want to know if folks like you are for real because I don't know any Nigerian like this in real life. Or if you are just living a fake life on the internet or have mental issues without knowing it.

Any maybe you are right, NL is not the place for me. A place where characters like Daviddylan and Kobojunkie are cult heroes i definitely not for me. I will move on to find what I search for. Its only sad because I initially raised mu hopes when I first discovered this forum.

I am not judging, I am wondering aloud.

Is there scholarship for overseas students?

The point is, are these behaviors normal or are people just fronting or am I just mistaken?

@ibkaye

We need to talk.

@ibkaye

Need to speak with you.

Hello all. I have visited this forum and the Politics section regularly for some time and have noticed some positives and negatives. One of the negatives is the seeming mental dysfunctional situation of some people. Don’t get me wrong. It is one thing to write wrong grammar or have fairly radical thoughts. But it is another thing totally to behave in a manner that is inconsistent with human social interactions. Some examples:
1. Some posters have venomous hatred for people of other tribes or religion that makes racism in America seem like child’s play.
2. Some posters have a sense of unbridled arrogance and know-all attitude and do not ignore an opportunity to insult or try to prove that they are the best.
3. Some posters say the most inhumane and outrageous things that do not just add up.
I am concerned because I do not know too many Nigerians in real life that exhibit such behaviors. And I wonder if folks are just glad to live a fake life on NL or if there are some people with real, but undetected mental issues who cannot help but behave in a dysfunctional manner.
I realize this is a public forum, and people are therefore free to express whatever ideas they wish. Far be it from me to propose censorship of any kind on NL. I am just worried because these posters I observe seem to be the most popular, and almost always manage to derail every thread because of their dysfunctional inputs. I know we all are different and thus cannot have the same thoughts about every issue, but should we not draw a line somewhere to separate what is and what is not acceptable in matured discourse?
Some posters seem genuinely oblivious of this situation, while others seem to bask in being the focus of attention, no matter how creepy they have to be to get the attention. Do you also feel that some folks behave mentally instable or am I just being silly? If yes, should we accept the status quo or what do we do about it? Your opinions are welcomed and appreciated.

*I would have loved to give examples, but I do not want to derail this thread by picking up issues with individuals. *

Hello all. I have visited this forum and Romance section regularly for some time and have noticed some positives and negatives. One of the negatives is the seeming mental dysfunctional situation of some people. Don’t get me wrong. It is one thing to write wrong grammar or have fairly radical thoughts. But it is another thing totally to behave in a manner that is inconsistent with human social interactions. Some examples:
1. Some posters have venomous hatred for people of other tribes or religion that makes racism in America seem like child’s play.
2. Some posters have a sense of unbridled arrogance and know-all attitude and do not ignore an opportunity to insult or try to prove that they are the best.
3. Some posters say the most inhumane and outrageous things that do not just add up.
I am concerned because I do not know too many Nigerians in real life that exhibit such behaviors. And I wonder if folks are just glad to live a fake life on NL or if there are some people with real, but undetected mental issues who cannot help but behave in a dysfunctional manner.
I realize this is a public forum, and people are therefore free to express whatever ideas they wish. Far be it from me to propose censorship of any kind on NL. I am just worried because these posters I observe seem to be the most popular, and almost always manage to derail every thread because of their dysfunctional inputs. I know we all are different and thus cannot have the same thoughts about every issue, but should we not draw a line somewhere to separate what is and what is not acceptable in matured discourse?
Some posters seem genuinely oblivious of this situation, while others seem to bask in being the focus of attention, no matter how creepy they have to be to get the attention. Do you also feel that some folks behave mentally instable or am I just being silly? If yes, should we accept the status quo or what do we do about it? Your opinions are welcomed and appreciated.

*I would have loved to give examples, but I do not want to derail this thread by picking up issues with individuals. *

@OP

This is a sad day for NL. We have really sunk to a new low. I cannot imagine how this guy was voted best poster in Religion. I weep for our future, Nigeria.

Kobo-JUNK, you are headed for doom.

Interesting question. I don't believe there is one answer. These are some likely answers:

1. Nigerians do not love the country enough to die for it: Since I have come here, I have seen the fierce patriotism and Nationalism of Americans and noted the differences from Nigeria. It is the love for the USA that makes majority of Americans suspicious of government and willing to die for the ideals the country espouses. It is a kind of romantic relationship with the country. Their history, their war against Britain, their ups and downs from the past, all of these come together to make the country look like a lover to an American. This kind of love for one's country is not present in most Nigerians. Nigerians do not usually ask what they can do for their country, instead what their country can do for them. If their country cannot do it for them, they find a way to get it done, instead of fighting to make their country able to do it for them.

2. Nigerians are not united against "the government" as a foe: Where one man is complaining about lack of job, another is using his connections to corruptly get contract from the government. Another is feeding off his local government chairman by being a political thug. Another is thinking, "I just have to get out of this goddamn country." Another is like, "whatever." In essence, Nigerians have not been pushed to the point where nothing matters but to drive out the politicians from the country.

3. The Nigerian Factor: If a revolution is to start today, there will be many who will doubt it because they can never be sure. In Nigeria, seeing is not believing. Back in the days in OAU, whenever it was time to protest one school policy or the other, you will find those who will run to Lagos, hide in their rooms, or just show general indifference. Some are scared of getting expelled. Some believe that-and it once happened-some of the student leaders make deals with the school authority that the students do not know about. So this leaves them thinking, "Why should I risk my life for something that may just be empty?" Take a look at Femi Fani-Kayode. Did he not use to be an anti-Abacha guy before he came to join OBJ? Those kind of characters and Nigeria's history of these kind of political betrayals make it hard to want to join any sort of revolution. To put it simply, many Nigerians are not sure that the guy next in line to them during a revolution is not the one that will pull the trigger for their death.

Conspiracy Theories 101

becomerich=yaradua

Which one be illusion2, the boy or the girl?

@Kobojunkie

Its hard to reply and ignore your silliness and arrogance. U are one hell of a idiot. But I will try.

Name 10 of the many politicians that you know FOR A FACT to be an ethnic bigot, and please provide support for the accusation you make.

Then, tell me why those who SUPPORT them do so, with some support and I am not speaking of the usual sharing of phonecards and what nots.

I don't need to name. 99% of them fit under that appellation. So if you randomly pick a Nigerian politician, you are almost certain that he/she is bigoted to an extent. Except for the educated people(by educated, I mean those that have been able to make their education count socially and financially), majority of Nigerians do not vote on any principle. This is partly because majority of Nigerian politicians have no principles to begin with. I mean principles in the sense of a well-articulated, fairly-constant and defensible standpoint on the issues that affect the populace. It is also partly due to a lack of faith in the electoral process. These Nigerians that do not vote on principle will either vote for their wallet or for their ethnicity or for some other reason that they feel directly benefits them. It is because of situations like these that bigoted politicians get any votes. Take an hypothetical John for example. Mr Bush is running for governor in John's state. John graduated from the university but hasn't had a job 5 years since leaving school. So Mr Bush, whose intention for wanting to get elected is not to serve the people, through his campaigners, asks for John's vote. He knows John can rarely afford to feed his family. And even though John has heard rumors about Mr Bush's corrupt tendencies, he decides to ignore them because such rumors exist about the other candidates too. Besides, Mr Bush is willing to reward him financially, through his agents, for his vote. Part of Mr Bush's campaign rhetoric to John includes stuff about how the other candidate should not get elected because he is from so-and-so place and how if Mr Bush get elected, he will be the one to bring the dividends of democracy to the people of John's locale, of which Mr Bush is a part of. So through a mixture of financial inducements and ethnic jingoism, Mr Bush gets John's vote. John will probably never check the party manifesto of Mr Bush because so many politicians have never delivered on their promises in the past. Basically John knows that politcs in Nigeria is a gamble-if you are lucky, you get a Fashola, if not, you get a Alao-Akala. So John will rather go with the man from his place-that seems to him a better risk for himself and is family in the gamble that is Nigerian politics-especially with the financial inducements. This not necessarily make John and ethnic bigot, but Mr Bush is more likely to be an ethnic bigot than John, based on the reality of Nigerian politics. It has happened with the Egba/Yewa in Ogun, the Aniocha South and Aniocha NOrth in Anambra etc. (NOt sure of the local government names in Anambra).

Wait a second! . . . . If the same market woman had made the same racist remark in a place like America, would have been front news, and the woman would have been lynched or even forced in some way to apologize and maybe made a pariah. If the same had come out of a South African, would you still have interpreted it the same way? Or is it OK for a Yoruba market woman to say such in a place like Lagos but just not ok for an Ibo to say the same or something? I mean I am trying to understand why you would dismiss that sort of remark when we know that such have caused some serious fights in the past.

Perhaps I am wrong to dismiss the woman's comments. I probably do not how it feels to be at the receiving end of the remark i.e Igbo, Hausa

You tell me. Are you saying even though your examples point to people who seem to harbor intolerant views of others on mostly ethnic and probably religious lines, you are unwilling to consider they are probably bigots since the definition seems to fit anyway?

They do not harbor intolerant views. Where there is a mosque, there could easily have been a church and the response will be the same. There remarks were definitely not because they "intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different ethnicity, race, or class." So, you tell me.

It is not MY OWN DEFINITION, that is the dictionary definition of the word according to Merriam and Webster. So if you are here to REDEFINE the word, know that I am not in that with you.

Now, last I checked, bigots are people who out of frustration or tension would act along ethnic or religious lines. I am not sure what exactly you wanted to hear when you started the thread cause I sort of sense you are looking to change the meaning so you can accept or allow some things. Am I wrong?

If a caucasian american, or even a white policeman, where to, out of the tension, frustration and irritation call you the N word and insult your people would you be willing to excuse that in much the same way you are willing to excuse the above?

Notice: I have NOT said anywhere in my post that I believe the average Nigeria is or is not bigoted. I am simply providing you with something different from what you have provided so far, to get you to see where you may possibly be wrong about what you think is the case.

You are an immature idiot for not recognizing that "your own definition" is a Nigerian way of speaking. As for your question, you are wrong. I did not start this thread to change the definition of the word so I can live with myself. I started it because I wanted people with "a little insight and perspective on serious issues" to give their opinions, based on their experiences, so that we could have a discussion and come as close as possible to answering the question posed by the thread. Obviously, a dimwitted slowpoke like you does not fit in that group of participants I expected. And your not stating your opinion but going round in circles and delivering pseudo-insults just confirms you are a sorry excuse for a human being. May I never come across modaphockers like you in my life again. I probably will not see the white officer the same way I will see someone from another tribe in Nigeria, but then I have kinda acclimatized to the culture of constant racial tensions in America and I may thus, by virtue of my programming by my new surroundings, react negatively. If say, I met the said white man at the airport in Lagos before I traveled, I will probably ignore him and not take any offence-something I may or may not do in America. Let's just say it will be on my mind longer in America compared to Nigeria.

And dude, or dudess as the case may be, come off your phecking perch.

The idea of "negotiating" with suicide-fixated savages who live their entire wasted, miserable and Hot existences in a frantic search for opportunities to commit murder which they think will earn them unlimited sex with 72 virgins in heaven is about the most bizarre and ridiculous idea ever propounded since the suggestion that the world is flat and not round.

Absolute Phecking Klassic!

@Kobojunkie

I am tired of your phocking arrogant ass talking bullshit. Seriously, are you phocked up? You need to visit Aro? I am not willing to adjust to your cocky terse statements. If you are tired of life, go jump over the 3rd Mainland. Who the phock do you think you are to be telling me all this bullshit? Abi u wan die quick quick? E ma ri oloshi yi sha? When I get over your cockiness and obvious lack of etiquette, I will come back to address the issues. You are definitely one arrogant modaphocker who thinks he knows it all and cannot have a conversation without passing acerbic remarks. What for? If you know it all, then take your rotten ass off NL. My guy, I swear u dey vex me gaaan U dey craze ni. Wan shepe fun ni e?

Thanks all for your contributions.

@Kobojunkie

You come off as being cocky and too sure of yourself. I have been like that before so I can recognize someone like that. You don't have to lace your replies with terse remarks and pseudo-insults. You don't need to bring others down to look better. As for the issues you raised, this is my submission:

I did not say the issues exist up North only. There are religion/ethnicity motivated instances of violence in many parts of the country, but the North is most notorious for violence based on radical Islam/dislike for Southerners/Christians. This is my observation. If you have a different observation, you can point it out.

I stand by my statement that majority of our politicians are ethnic/religious bigots. True, they get support from bigoted and non-bigoted people. But then, how much of this support can be investigated as genuine. In Nigeria where bags of rice and kegs of oil determine who gets the most vote, are we sure that their supporters really believe in the bigotry they preach?

What really got men thinking about this issue was an essay I had to write on the difference diversity has made in my life. I found myself confused and going back-and-forth between my experience in America and Nigeria, wondering whether diversity existed(it did i both cases) and whether or not it made a difference(I am yet to answer this question). I definitely can identify with the examples you gave about your experiences in Lagos and America. I have had similar experiences but interpreted it differently. For example, when the yoruba market woman says, " All this dimwitted Hausas and Igbo are the cause of all these problems in this market. Let them go back to their place." I see her frustration, but I do not believe she sees the Hausas and Igbos as lesser creatures than her ala racism in America. Just the same way my Mum complaining about the loudspeaker from the mosque facing her room window does not mean she hates Muslims or think less/evil of them. But then, I have seen my dad discuss politics and refer to "awon Hausa" and "awon omo Igbo yen" in ways that are cringe-worthy. If a bigot is according to Wikipedia, "a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different ethnicity, race, or class," then I will not categorize the people I mentioned above as bigots. Will you? In this sense, what this thread is really asking is that is the average Nigerian intolerant of people of different ethnicity/religion.

I think people that are actually "intolerant of people of different ethnicity/religion" are the minority. Tensions may exist and people may act in certain ways out of anger, irritation and frustration, but the real bigotry, in terms of hate and intolerance, is not very common, I believe. In this sense, my submission is closest to the one made by Beaf. Even if we use your own definition of bigot, I don't think the average Nigerian can be described like that. If you have a reason to think otherwise, your opinion is welcome.

@SapeleGuy

I don't understand what you said.