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ijebosb:
It doesn't change it has little to do with US politics.

Bemeruca and Basilico want a race and religion war. They will especially drag religion into every topic. There is a whole religion section for that convo.

stop trying to tell people what to do. you are irrelevant

budaatum:
We still go to the stadium to watch a match, love to go to the pub, and have the freedom to express ourselves.

Even Muslims go to the stadium to watch a match, and love to go to the pub, and have the freedom to express themselves, so its not likely they'd vote against what we all enjoy.

Muslims don't go to pubs. they want to ban alcohol

you did not answer why you support intimidation. you said you still go to the stadium, but people who want to see a movie at the cinema could not because of threats.

budaatum:
It definitely will not look like Iran. We are British through and through.

Besides, we were where you want to fear us in to thinking like some 50 years ago, but blacks still haven't taken over and neither will Muslims in 500 years.

it is not like it used to be 20 years ago why do you think things will change given this latest trend?

budaatum:
Have you not heard that "an English man's home is his castle"?

The Cinema is not our castle. No one stops us buying any video we want and watching it in the comfort of our homes.

this is a stupid thing to say. Brits love to go to the stadium to watch a match, they love to go to the pub, and they have the freedom to express themselves... why will a bunch of foreigners change their lifestyle?

the fact that you are supporting these Muslims intimidating and threatening people is crazy.
this old guy says it well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrR--s0m95c

budaatum:
That is not my argument!

My argument is, we Brits don't do gods, so you can't come here and impose a god on us!

We got lots of Farages and Robinsons, and will gladly use them if we must.

it was imposed on you when Brits were not able to watch a movie which is covered under their freedom of expression

In the UK, everyone has the right to freedom of expression12. This right includes the freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers1. However, this freedom may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society

budaatum:
Iran is not liberal UK. An Ayatollah can not come here and depose our king and disband our House of Lords and our parliament and impose an Ayatollah.

We Brits will burn them and their house and their sharia down long before they stand a chance even in hell.

Damn fuq! You guys really need to go study some British history. It would stop you talking all this nonsense you talking.

in the next 50 years? how do you know what the UK will look like

budaatum:
Do you think we'd vote for Shari'a law, or would they just impose it without our say?

They may dream. Muslims can't get Sharia law in Nigeria, so what chance do they have in UK?

LMAO, Iranians did not vote for Sharia law

budaatum:
Why are you complaining? Is my arse complaining to you that it is working too hard and is jealous that some are supposedly rewarded?

As for the rest of your crap, read my conversation with Bem. I can't be bothered to repeat it with you

you are in denial. your argument is all Muslims are not like A so no problem. But I am not making the argument that all Muslims are like A, I am only saying the UK is importing people who do not share its values. I have given you multiple examples like the country banning a movie, Forcing halal on people who do not believe in religion, etc.

Every country has to deal with unemployment, Welfare, and crime. You cannot just say you are all for open borders because you are pro-immigration. You have to control that and also, differentiation causes issues regarding culture. bring in people who are culturally firm and not willing to embrace the culture of the country they move to or even worse see the culture of the country they move to as haram, then you are bringing in problems. Germany was Nice pre 2015. today is tension here and there.

basilico:
He knows. Can't explain what migrants who live off welfare from birth to death benefit UK with.

N he hates people who are worried

basilico:
The point being made is that there are people whose agenda is different from the British people. They are there to take over Europe in the end.
I'm.sure you have never heard of a country called Lebanon. It used to be a majority peaceful xtian dominated country.
Same thing will happen to Europe eventually.

I think he is just playing dumb, he knows what we mean

budaatum:
Iran is not in UK. Iran is in Iran. And the Iranians that are in our country are not spreading caliphate here and do not disobey our laws or we would catch them and try them before a jury, and if found guilty we will imprison them, and after they have served their prison sentence we will deport them back to Iran.

Do note that some, and not the majority of Iranians in UK are active Jewish and Christians. Would you like us to blanket kick them out top or just the Muslim ones?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranians_in_the_United_Kingdom

Lmao. UK is changing so it's just a matter of time.

budaatum:
He is a lot of things I can't stand. And there are far more better candidates and parties for me to consider before he becomes an option.

the ones killing the nation

budaatum:
I thought you said you were not talking about all muslims.

Do all muslims follow what you posted?

Of course, I am not talking about all. You know this because I used Malaysia as an example of people you would want to migrate to your country. I talk about how Iran wants to spread Caliphate all over the world whereas Saudi-Arabia does not share the same idea

budaatum:
First, I can't even if I wanted to, since he is not running in my constituency. I wouldn't vote for his party neither because he is antiimmigrants and I am pro-migration.

Besides, this guy left dump's campaign to come and run in UK elections. That, and what I've know of him since he was a Member of the European Parliament is enough to detest him.

Basically, his values do not represent mine so he does not get my vote.

he is not anti-immigrant, he is anti illegal migrant

budaatum:
"You only allow allow people who share your values" to what? Live? Speak? And what do you propose be done to those who don't share your values? Do you shoot them? Put them in gulags and burn them in ovens? Not let them speak?

Go on, tell me what you would do to those who don't share your values please.

people who allow you to express yourself without fear. Multiple examples has been shown to you.

Not let them in the country. Is it that hard?

budaatum:
More like what was I hoping for. That Farage's party win zero seats.

One of their 2 is a defecting Conservative who i expected to win. I was hoping Farage lost.

Why won't you vote for this guy?

Nigel Farage:
“I was asked the other day, what was I going to do for the black community.
Do you know what I said? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
I couldn’t give a damn if you’re black or white, gay or straight. I really don’t care. You’ll be judged by your character, by your ability by your contribution to society”

He is absolutely RIGHT. You should be judged on merit, not your identity.

budaatum:
Are you saying all muslims have a doctrine that does not tolerate people with opposing views?

If so, can you kindly explain how Muslims survive in UK where the majority are not Muslims?

Also explain why London would elect a Muslim as Mayor if he has a doctrine of intolerance please.

And explain your understanding of the text below, which is from the Muslim book.

there are other verses they follow. I think you should send them this verse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBGl6S1tWQk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM7fy-GNI6s

budaatum:
If you know that all Muslims are not terrorists or intolerant, why are you posting youtubes of intolerant terrorists and claiming they represent Muslims?

Would you hate Christians if Obrigado posts youtubes of lots of church ministers imprisoned for paedophilia?

If not, why not?

Lmao, You are intentionally not getting my point?
you only allow people who share your values. the UK is stripping itself of its freedom of expression because of the people it imported in. There are Muslim countries I don't talk about because there are some secular Muslim countries. When I say Secular I don't mean like the UK but at least they recognize gay rights. I am talking about Malaysia. Now if you take immigrants from Malaysia, no one will be having these discussions.

budaatum:
Meanwhile, on the UK election, anti immigration Nigel Farage of Reform UK wins in Clacton, to my utter disappointment.

Pro-Palestine Jeremy Corbyn wins in Islington as an Independent, to my utter delight.

Reform UK has 2 seats as Rishi Sunaks Conservatives implode.

what were you expecting?

budaatum:
Did you not see the question i asked you?

I'll post it again in bold in case you didn't.

I answered. I am not saying all Muslims are terrorists, am I?

I am saying they have a doctrine that does not tolerate people with opposing views or expressions like burning a book or drawing a cartoon.

budaatum:
Question.

If Obrigardo posts here a few Christian ministers jailed for paedophilia, will you say Christianity is a religion of paedophiles?

Please kindly explain the reason for your answer.

blasphemy is punishable by death and it is something they practice. we already know the catholic church. i am saying their way of life is not compatible. Imagine the UK shutting down a screening because of them. they banned religious drawings in fear of terror attacks. you don't bring people like this into your country.

Denmark and Sweden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj7YYB9gIiU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKUjSHo4rzw?si=fZRvm0QIYTq9WJ_E

budaatum:
This, no! All that is required is that I interact in good faith and trust they have a brain and know how to use it.

Even if they slap my right cheek and then my left cheek, they will eventually get tired and bored and start wondering if my cheek is made of iron or is worth slapping. And if they don't stop, there is always the law.

see the peaceful people following your values. they can make fun of Christianity all they want and nothing will happen. you see them acting like this and you continue to import more. France 2015 did not teach them anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4Lu4XWKZs

IMAliyu2:
Well, I'm stating why a Muslim might not protest such, even if they don't agree with it.

However there are reformist Muslims and ex-Muslim activists and such that do, tho their voices seem mute to the general public.
Then there's the rightwing that's been very loud about this, though I don't agree with your prescriptions, and then the liberals are just almost mute about this or act as shield sometimes which is annoying.

ex....

budaatum:
Nothing is wrong with you wanting "an ethnically or racially homogenous society" if that's what you want.

I do however see quite a lot wrong in you wanting to turn an already diverse multiethnic society into "ethnically or racially homogenous society" and I hope you would too especially after you consider it might involve the removal of buda from UK and not letting black you benefit from DfiD funding and after you educate yourself about Volksgemeinschaft.

the problem is, the one group does not Want Diversity and it is not Nigel Farage or Tommy R... it is the group you support

budaatum:
Your "Le Penn is a conservative" is ignorant and shows a lack of knowledge that French people do not suffer from perhaps because they know their history, or as Ijebo would say, they live in France.

Educate yourself about Le Pen and perhaps you too might see how the fear of communists is far less tham the fear of Le Pen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6ppjvq5jv1o

Nigel Farage or Tommy Robbinson are not crazy people, the crazy ones are the ones letting all the people who do not share their values in.

they don't even follow the Equality Act when it comes to employment and the UK government is okay with it.

IMAliyu2:
There are a number of reasons why someone might not actively protest such, which doesn't necessarily mean agreement.

could be something as simple as fear, fear of the possibility of being ostracized by your community, or fear of attack etc.
Or just plain apathy.

but there is a community that will speak out and does not fear being ostracized. if they have that fear, then the society is a ticking time bomb. I will understand the fear in places like Iran but not the UK

basilico:
Some hilarious video I saw today of a someone asking American soldiers in a foreign country on whether they have come to import homosexualism. " Ain't that your greatest export? " The soldiers just walked away visibly flustered. 😁😁😁

yeah, we talked about that yesterday

IMAliyu2:
Ok, can't say I have enough insite here to dispute any of it.
I was primarily observing a difference in attitude between American and UK muslims, to demonstrate that America has a more successful integration compared to Europe.


I say extreme, in respect to the attitudes and words of Spokespersons and popular online personalities from the UK. People like Muhammed Hijab, Ali Daawa them. These are figures who've displayed contempt to concepts like freedom of speech (while hypocritically benefiting from it), and support for execution of ex-Muslim Apostates, and hostility to lgbt+ groups.

But I'll be honest and say I'm ignorant on if the average UK Muslim, shares the same opinion with these folk or not.


It should matter if the same tolerance and understanding you're extending to others is mutually reciprocated, or you might suffer the failing of the paradox of tolerance.

If by culture you mean different, foods, music, art, fashion, identities, philosophy, individual ways of living. Then that's all good

But I don't intend to sound like a right winger here, but I'm not of the opinion that all values and cultures are equal or worth learning from.
My axioms are one of freedom, fair & equal treatment to everyone. I don't have respect
for anything that violates that, and if a culture or value deprives someone of these things, I say throw it into the trash.

Modified: corrected typos.

they do. how do we test this? How many times have you seen Muslims marching on the streets to protest these guys or confront them like you see Brits confront Brits like Tommy Robbinson?

Budaatum will bury his head in the sand to things like this.
https://youtube.com/shorts/EXrEDXtS3xY?si=rggdAezV-xOteH-C

budaatum:
Here is an example of integrated Europe, and at the same time some in the same Europe not accepting his integration.

He would not have been elected by the majority if they or he were not integrated, and he wouldn't have been forced out if there weren't a minority who are not accepting of integration.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/03/germanys-first-africa-born-mp-to-stand-down-after-racist-abuse

imagine the backlash of an American born or UK born white man taking a government position in Africa

ijebosb:
You say you embrace this imaginary God.
Are you decent?
No? You're a lying, hacking, degenerate who has a broken family.
Let's take it farther, Large swaths of Nigeria embrace the "imaginary God", tell me is Nigeria largely a decent flourishing place?

Everything about you is contradictory. From trashing the West to trying to seek asylum in it, to being a black man yet trying to embrace the White Christian Nationalist view of the World. It's the kind of contradictions that happen when your formal education consists of Youtube videos.

i don't see this in Nigeria
and long after Europe is gone, we will still be there even if there is hardship

budaatum:
When you say I am all over the place, I know its because you don't know nor understand those places I am all over, so while you think you are not saying nice things about me, I see what you say as a nice deserved compliment.

buda would be insulted if you had said I was narrow minded and only in one place.

that's good. it shows how you make lemonade when life gives you lemon. unlike some
you are not narrow minded i can say that