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Ngo40:
Lol....baby sis...please don't be angry.
You aren't even capable of being angry are you?
I thought you saw that when I replied Mr. Hopeful a few days ago explaining the moniker change?
A couple of you guys' names were in the post.
Yes...i had a good reason for changing it....
Please don't change yours....your moniker fits you!

Am I brother Hope? Do you know when I noticed?

Is it the same mail address?

Ranchhoddas:
Bennyann you see what I'm saying right?

Creepy stuff.

That one is not romantic enough ooo.

I can't wait to carry out the one that will make you leave the religion section

KingEbukasBlog:
Its better to build your marriage on trust . If your relationship looks like its leading to marriage let secrets which could destroy your marriage when they are revealed out and learn how to deal with them . If your partner is not comfortable with the truth then its better to find a solution before marriage or break up . For me , discovering that she is not a virgin would be heart breaking , it'd feel like being scammed like JackBizzle did to that innocent couple .

If she could lie that she is a virgin then what else is she hiding from me ? God abeg make I no jam such a person .

I don't think divorce is bad in that case, is it?

The foundation of the marriage was built on lies, I mean she deceived him into marrying her. so to me I think there should be a divorce except he still wants her around as long as he won't use it against her in future.

See them ooo. Yeye people.

They've started with their jokes again.

KingEbukasBlog:
I thought you did honestly .

Wow! Good I caught you. It feels so great

Can't believe you fell for it.

ilynem:
You don't have to get angry. Its just very typical. God inspires a new invention to help humanity, the devil high jacks it for his kingdom. Virtually all inventions and discoveries now serve the wrong purpose. From discoveries as early as music to the whole surrogate thing we have been talking about today. So you shouldn't be surprised or angry. The devil has come to kill, steal and destroy. The Bible said it and so It will happen. Until the world ends, the devil will continue to kill, steal and destroy.

Thanks

analice107:
The man who wants to have kids without a mother in the picture, does he promise himself to be celibate for life, or once in a while he'll sneak in a woman and chaff out?
These men eh? They just feel they are doing women a favour by marrying them.

Ishilove and Bennyann for instance, any man who marries these ladies goes home with assets.

You too my dear sis.

You know I just told my mum about the man who doesn't trust any woman enough to marry and how he doesn't want to fornication but needs a surrogate.

My mum told me to ask if his 'thing' is functioning properly because he might be using his excuses as a way of covering things up especially because he said he is a Christian.

She also said if after all Eve did and Adam still tolerated her, then who is he to say he find no woman worthy to make his wife. She also doesn't believe the man is a Christian.

This seem to compliment all you said so far.

hopefulLandlord:
the mother is the one who donated eggs, at least medically speaking

there's no need getting angry, advances in science and technology usually face arguments such as yours, however such haven't stopped those advances

I think to you it feels so strange and cringeworthy that no reason for it feels valid enough due to emotions brought about by religious upbringing

but one thing I'm sure of is that history doesn't favour arguments such as yours as its more from emotion, history shows arguments like yours slow down such "progress" (tongue in cheek) but can't stop it


like I keep repeating, it all boils down to choice

I am not against surrogates but the motives. It's nice to see science progressing but it doesn't change the facts we're on the verge of losing our human instincts.

And why you're always using emotions to oppose me, don't you forget we're emotional beings. The world may not accept my opinion but I know it wasn't against humans in any form except a selfish being of course.

And I want you to know I understand all your points. And yes, it boils down to individual choices.

Thanks anyway. I've learnt a lot already

Ranchhoddas:
You anger is because of the religious upbringing that you had. It is unjustified. Those kids would have better lives that most Nigerian children. You should go to the North and ask those Almajiri kids that their mothers carried in their wombs if they want to trade places.

Hmmm. I get your point.

But by what authority do you have to say it is unjustified

temi4fash:
What i do

How are you Bennyann??

Have a safe week..

I see my boss is already here...

Welcome sonofthunder.. More anointing sir

You did nothing bad at all. Just giving the praise you earned.

And I'm doing well by God's grace, thanks. I hope you're doing great too?

Your boss? Boss in the Lord?

sonofthunder:
All is well, been seeing some of his comments(I.e temi) ... what stress? maybe I should go back and read up...
lol... I and that fellow are different persons.
Thanks.

I meant he left this thread with at least a post of advice or encouragement.

And I don't doubt at all you're different persons

ilynem:
Like you said, these are allegations. But I know people who have given birth and gotten their figures back. I have two friends who had children out of wedlock and you wouldn't even know unless you ask. One of then specifically told me that the reason she worked to get her figure back is so she can remain appealing to men because she doesn't want to stay unmarried. She doesn't earn millions from having a nice body, she just wants to stay appealing and she's working for it. So why won't someone who earns millions work for theirs too? If you care about your career in showbiz, you will be disciplined enough to work for your figure. But if you can't do that, then maybe you really do not want children. But if you can't go through that stress, then Bennyann has given a super and more reasonable alternative and that is adoption. Now let me paint a picture for you.
A girl with a nice figure and a big career in modeling earning millions of dollars.
She wants children but doesn't want to lose her figure because it will affect her career.
She has three options.
1. Get pregnant and work hard to get your figure back.
2. If you are too lazy and undisciplined to do that, you can adopt. Adoption even shows what a selfless person you are.
3. Surrogate. What does this tell you? A mother who wouldn't risk her career for a child, a mother who isn't disciplined and hard working enough to get back her figure to save her career after the birth of the child and someone who isn't selfless enough to even consider adoption.
If you pick the third option, it simply means you will be a terrible mother and don't deserve that child.

You know I'm pondering over how a child would feel of he finds out his mother who donated her eggs to have him couldn't carry him in her womb for reasons like celebrity lifestyle and other selfish excuses. What will the child feel towards the one who carried him in her womb and towards the one who didn't.

I'm so sure the disadvantages of such mother-child relationship far outweigh the advantages.

I don't know about others but I will like to care for my unborn child in my womb. Let it hear how my heart beats and I also want to hear his. Let him take nutrients processed from my body. I want to feel it move within me and share all other processes that take place aside just the fertilization of the egg and sperm. I do not want to trade that first bond between mother and child from the scratch for anything.

Then who is a mother? The one who donated her eggs?

God have mercy.

How can you be medically fit and you still ask someone to birth your baby for you? If I should linger more on this topic, I might really get angry.

Hmmm.

KingEbukasBlog:
Well said there . I learnt a lot from this . Thank you so much . And thanks , Ishilove I get it now

And no , its not me oo .

Oh, was just kidding.

Ranchhoddas:
The bromance and ''sismance" on this section these days... Creepy stuff.

You're the last person I expect to have problems with
'romance' on the religion section.

Thank God you said these days. Shouldn't that be a positive thing?

It seems the word' love' really make you guys uncomfortable.

Please anyone here that doesn't want me to use the word 'love' towards him or her should inform me before I fault in that. Thank you

As for me, I represent that word and I wouldn't force it on those that don't need it or despise it from me. But if you take that word away from me, then you've killed me.

Na wa oooooo

hopefulLandlord:
if THIS is your reason, then you shouldn't have implied "adoption is better"

because we also have women who gave their children up for adoption trying to have access to the child

then again I'm of the opinion that surrogacy is infact much better than adoption cuz many of the adopters have next to no clue where the child is coming from, perhaps kidnapped? perhaps the mother was killed for her child? etc

That's more reason why we should adopt them young and train them. Besides there are well organized structures for adopting children, just as there are for choosing surrogate mothers. So you will have no problems at all if the origin of the homeless babies are your problem. If we all decide not to adopt because we know not their origination story, then who would take care of them?

But my parents have found a baby in the gutter before, it really pained them because the elders decided for the baby to be given to the barren. My dad had to select a couple he knows will be very wonderful to the baby. Up till now, my dad acts like a father to him eventhough the child isn't in his care. And do you know how wonderful he's grown to be? I don't see the need for seeing all these children and you do nothing to help them but go after finding a child of your seed, whom you don't want to care about the owner of the other seed added to yours.

That doesn't make sense to me. I prefer making other people happier and do for them what I would have done for my kids before I start having kids of my own in a joyful way, in a way that wouldn't bring sadness to anybody not even for some seconds in the future.

Any good person will feel fulfilled that way.

Which one shows more love?

As a Christian if you don't want to get married, then don't insert your sperm into a woman's vag.ina. That's my thinking and yes, I feel so good about it.

Adoption is better my friend. The child should be allowed to grow to a stage he can now make decisions of his own. So it will be left for the child if he wants to stay with the biological parents or not. Whatever the decision, the good you've done will fight for you.

The man can easily see a faithful woman that will convince him to marry because of that good deed done to unwanted children. It's highly possible. We have right to our opinions but I'm sure we know which one demonstrates a higher love and a lower level of selfish fulfillment.

Besides, I thought surrogates were meant mostly for gays apart from those having medical issues. That's another story entirely though

hopefulLandlord:
ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE!!!!

These women knew what they were getting into, its not like they were forced at gunpoint to sign for surrogacy

they don't have access to the child BECAUSE they agreed to it!

it seems you have a superficial knowledge of surrogacy and you're filling certain knowledge gaps of it by making things up

To you I'm always making things up and I think this time, it's because I thought deeper than you putting every victim into my concern.

Haven't you heard of a surrogate mother trying to have access to the child before?

Like you don't know because you signed up for something doesn't mean within you, you're all in. What if you think you're in now and later you realized you can't stay in. people force themselves to do things sometimes because it's beyond their control. So please stop sounding like many enjoy doing it.

We are talking about 'mothers' forget the surrogate attach to it and think on this and this is for nine months......

analice107:
Your Majesty, I thought you said he was a godly man? How can a godly man not marry until he gets so rich to a point of confusion as to who to Marry?

And, how does a godly man depend on his ability and not on God's divine direction to fine a wife?

A man like the one you Just painted up there has trust issues, Can he truly Trust Jehovah?

Now every woman is a suspect to him, are you sure he is a clean man himself?

The picture you painted is hardly a man who walks with God.

You can say all that again. I'm with you

sonofthunder:
I do agree with you, I have often observed that also with very few and rare exceptions
I would have gone through the thread since but forgot my invite from temi4fash... might still run through as it looks exciting thus far.
you're welcome.

He invited you? Aaaaawwww, he was one of those who really helped me when all my emotional stress were still very fresh on the thread.

And your moniker always take my mind to sonof.luc1fer before completing it.

Good to have you here dear. It really feels good to have you here.

Ishilove:
Brotherly, this your question get as e be

Why circumvent the natural mode of conception just because you can, not because you need to? Couples who use surrogacy have medical issues, but using it because you don't want to have sex with a woman is vanity. It's evil

I'm with Ishilove on this.

Because there's now an option for you to have children apart from the normal process, you now see no need for a woman all because of the excuse you're scared of infidelity and the likes. If he really doesn't want to commit sin, he should go and adopt. Adoption is better and sound moral than using a surrogate.

Have you thought of what happens to the surrogate mother? The mental torture they go through after giving birth without having access to the child? What if they're doing it because of money? Do you have an idea how such will carry the pregnancy for those number of months with grief?

What about those that use married women because they feel they have a high rate of fertility as surrogate mothers - is that fair? What about single mothers? Will one feel justified using single ladies to bear child for them and leave them like that? What's now the difference between those having baby mamas and him?

Do you know he would have to select the surrogate mother himself in most cases and that's by natural instincts and physical factors like how beautiful she is and the rest. Do you think that's God's way of choosing? do you think God will prefer the woman they eventually choose? Do you think God will even give him direction as to the kind of surrogate mum he should choose? We're talking about a single man here.

Besides, he might be using the eggs of the surrogate mother, is that not taking the child away from the mother? What will he tell the child when he grows? Is that a story pleasant to our ears or to the ears of God? And if no, do you think it would be pleasant to the child's ears? What will He tell others, his friends, peer groups? What will be his emotional strength after hearing it?

It's better if the child has someone to call a mother but maybe she couldn't conceive normally so they had no option than to go for a surrogate. Even with that they can try using the eggs of the mother and that seems very OK.

KingEbukasBlog tell the man he is very selfish, very very selfish and stingy. Tell him to first think of others he will use to achieve the process, like the woman and the birth child.

And tell him if he really needs children, God would be more pleased with him if he goes for orphans. There are lots of unwanted babies around and the man, within him will feel fulfilled immediately because he will know as a Christian he has done the right thing and the better thing when he adopts.

Thank you

But ebuka, I hope you're not talking about yourself ooo

analice107:
No sis, they are mostly igbos, and from the catholic extracts.

Really? Catholics? Hmmmm

Thanks sis

Oma307:
What i have to say is the recap of what MZLady39 has talked about, that is, it is the mind that matter, keep of positive words and avoid negative words because that is what the devil will try to use against u. Remember if the battle of the mind is defeated, the physical battle is also defeated.

Yes dear. That's what I learnt from all the comments and you've hit the nail on the head and that's To deal with my mind. Thank you

sonofthunder:
Good Godly guys... that's their fate.

Amen. Amenoooo

But
Really? Really? With my natural sense I doubt that.

But by faith I believe that
I pray that will be my portion. If you go through this thread, you would see how I stated good guys do not know how to relate with the good girls, but it will amaze you how they relate with the other ladies.

Well, maybe I haven't seen those guys you're talking about. but I believe you because I know such guys still exist.

Thanks bro.

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you, much appreciated. God bless you

Good one bro. I really love you for this.

How I've missed a lot!

Ngo40:
MuttleyLaff,
Brother, I'm not angry....and again I say, this isn't a war between me and you.
I'll cease & desist....

Good one I really like the bolded.

Sis I'm very angry with you. Why didn't you tell me you've changed your moniker.

You know what I will also do? I will change mine and not tell you

onyenze123:
I found this one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2KiwKlG85s

Enjoy dear.

Happy Sunday

Thank you dear. That's one of my favorite songs also.

Please everyone should listen to this song and be inspired today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYAyf6cO0VM

I say on Sunday how much I want revival
But then on Monday, I can't even find my Bible
Where's the power
The power of the cross in my life?

I'm sick of playin' the game of religion
I'm tired of losin' my reason for livin'
Where's the power
The power of the cross in my life? oh

I'm not content just to walk through my life
Givin' in to the lies, walkin' in compromises now

We cry out as a generation that was lost
But now is found in the power of the cross
We believe in You
We believe in the power of Your word and its truth
We believe in You, so we lay down our cause
That our cross might be found in You
I'm not satisfied doin' it my own way
I'm not satisfied to do church and walk away

I'm not satisfied, there's no love in my life but You
Oh no, I'm not satisfied
I'm not satisfied livin' in yesterday's hour
I'm not satisfied to have the form but not the power

I'm not satisfied, Lord I am crucified in You
We believe in You
We believe in the power of Your word and its truth
We believe in You, so we lay down our cause

That our cross might be found in You
I'm not satisfied doin' it my own way
I'm not satisfied to do church and walk away
I'm not satisfied there's no love in my life but You

I'm not satisfied livin' in yesterday's hour
I'm not satisfied to have the form but not the power
I'm not satisfied, oh Lord I am crucified in You
We believe in You
We believe in the power of Your word and its truth
We believe in You, so we lay down our cause
That our cross might be found
So we lay down our cause
That our cross might be found
So we lay down our cause
That our cross might be found in You

sonofluc1fer:
Bennyann, come and believe in me. Leave that dead Jewish boy... Come and meet cute Igbo boy with African swag. You're too smart to be carrying cross like pikin.

Hmmmm

So you are an Igbo boy? I thought most atheists on nairaland are yorubas.

If you're cute please I need evidence ooo, I need it asap . If you're as cute as Lucifer then I don't want ooo

Don't forget you're an adopted son of Jesus Christ

Oaroloye, I'm sorry oo, so so sorry. Please forgive me if you think I meant harm. I only forgot you made that statement because you were against Paul and believe me it's just recently I got to know your kind of gospel and I will try not to ask questions again since it seems anyone who ask is either trying to harm you or is simply ignorant.

But do you know the Paul you despise so much is the same person you're mimicking when it comes to pride, authorititative speech and the rest. The difference is just that in His pride, He tried to do all that please Jesus.

Try not to insult anyone especially those who haven't insulted you simply because they're ignorant to you. If it's Jesus you adore that much compared to me that doesn't hate Paul, then it's expected your words reflect the qualities of Jesus more than mine.

Everything is playing out like you only hate Paul because you wish you took his place in the Bible and even now you yearn to take his kind of glory. But He earned it Mister. Whatever you criticize Paul of, check all you do here on nairaland and compare which one of you is closer to Jesus

You're trying to stand out in your writings, Paul stood out in His, especially for the gentiles but in all these He did for the glory of God.

If Paul is your problem, I don't understand how you will demean those who call themselves Christians because they believe in Jesus first of all and most importantly, then before they take Paul as His Apostle. If you love Jesus, you will know how to communicate with those who love Him also.

* dont demean or despise Christians because you hate Paul. Christians are followers of Christ and not Paul. The more you fight against such Christians who takes Paul as Christ's Apostle, the more you prove Paul is your God because all in your head is Paul and not Jesus. All in your heart is fighting against Paul, that's all you can think of when it comes to Christianity. Then Paul is your Idol, he is someone you're in a competition with. all the Christians you fight don't hold Paul in high esteem and with strong passion like you do so you better watch it*

I may be ignorant but be careful brother not to take your eyes of Jesus simply because you despise Paul. No matter the knowledge you think you posses, they cannot stand where love is. If you don't have love, you have nothing.

Please do have a nice day. And don't worry, you won't see me here even if you throw defaming words at me.

And your mode of approach won't stop me from putting into practice the little I've learnt from your OP. If there's any other post of yours that contains qualities to adopt to be a better me for Jesus, I wouldn't hesitate at all.

Happy Sunday

hopefulLandlord:
bros, Na comedy gold

imagine the below post

Well-done ehn, keep having fun. When our time come don't cry oo

hopefulLandlord:
I'll just drop this bible verse

I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you…that they may be one as we are one— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me…

John 17:20-23

From the verse you quoted, you can see that the unity of the Christians will really hold firm the testimony of Jesus. You saw that Jesus 'prayed' and not that he said we will be united without disruptions.

Why did He pray such prayer? That's because that's the secret to the world not doubting the Jesus testimony. So I'm not surprised why we lack a lot when it comes to that unity and you shouldn't be surprised because we know tares are sown among the wheat - I mean that's the battle between the kingdom of light and that of darkness. So don't rejoice over that verse because we're still praying on that since we're on the battle field and that's because it's only God that can bring those who yearn to know Him and have accepted Him into such unity.

What are the basics for being a Christian? You have to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior and believe He is the way, the the truth and the life. You have to believe He is the only way to the Father. Believe in His death, resurrection and ascendance.

Once one become a Christian, you can no longer judge them because you do not have the power since everything is being judged from the heart level. Forget about the secondary doctrines. As long as they have all it takes to be qualified as Christians, then Jesus will take it from there and lead them. He knows how to judge them.

Since you can't measure or tell how real their deep personal relationship is with Jesus, then stop mocking them and stop concluding for them. The best way to find your answers is by meeting that Jesus and relating with Him.

Even those who aren't Christians know about having a relationship with Jesus and they can choose to if they want to. Shouldn't that tell you something? Do you think we are all insane and you're the only one normal? then why do some of us have the same stories? Have you pondered on that? Every spiritual story has a truth in them, it's left for you to identify the right path.

Leave those who claim they have a deep relationship with Jesus alone because you're not the one they're having it with, so stop concluding for them. It's only Jesus who knows the one who is saying the truth or not.

Are you Jesus? Is it your deep relationship? Were you there during their relationship? Please go and find your relationship I beg.

No.2 reminds me of akiintom

hopefulLandlord:
did you read through the thread? or you just picked a part and ran away with it?

did those "other people" claim to have a deep personal relationship with Jesus?

You already concluded it's meaningless.

How can I explain something to you when you killed my desire to explaining before even starting? and you've already given me a hint nothing I say will be meaningful.

The relationship here is 'personal' for each one, therefore it's liable to different descriptions because we have different characters, destinies, desires and a whole lot of distinct qualities.

I have a personal relationship with my mother, father and my siblings but each one is unique no matter how deep the relationship is and one can tell you some things about me the other doesn't know or may not have been interested in.

Those are humans but God is a Spirit. To some He call them daughters, to some mothers, to some best friends or friends, to some a man after my heart. How do you expect the revelations from everyone claiming to have a personal relationship with him to be homogeneous?

Come on!

We can have a common notion of God like He is the God of all gods, loving, compassionate and the rest but Joseph in the Bible has unique perception of God, same with Daniel, then David. - they all have their unique stories from their unique encounter and relationship with God.

To me I don't know the level I am in my relationship with God but I know there are yet more mysteries to be made known to me if I avail myself. I've been in levels where Jesus can just warn me or rebuke me from doing some certain things, I've seen him just play with me for a while before giving me instructions and when I don't or can't see Him, I feel Him around most times since I spend time alone mostly and all of a sudden you feel like worshipping Him or just talking to Him, at times when I'm very busy, I wouldn't know when I will start worshipping or praising and there would be this huge or great sensation around you and you would feel like going to your closet to take advantage of every thing presentable in such an atmosphere. During that time I can just ask questions not because I premeditated them but because they just flow through me at that time. I could get the answers in my heart straight away with a very peaceful and deep conviction. Sometimes, you might just see them in the Bible when and where you weren't expecting it and it will amaze you because you would know He was the one who gave you an answer that way. Then through people and situations you see as nothing.... I could say a whole lot but even if you think they're Hallucinations, I wouldn't want them to be made fun of.

Do you know sometimes when you feel the answers aren't coming or He isn't there or He is far away, You can still feel His presence around? You will just know He's there and all you can do is to smile through it all or even cry and ask Him why isn't He saying anything now because you know and you know He is around

See, I could go on and on but this is my own personal madness, what makes it more interesting is He answers speedily without me even calling when He knows I'm in danger or about to be in danger. It's like that's when I get to hear from Him more but I want to get to the level where I will and can see him face to face without closing my eyes. And for me to achieve that, I think I need to go back to the times of just spending time with Him alone for a very long time. Though I do it every now and then by being so conscious of Him, even when I am not He reminds He is still around so at least I should just say hi if I'm that busy.

I feel I don't even have the right to talk on this topic because I haven't been spending enough time with Him as I should.

God is Spirit my dear, don't compare relationships with Him with that of humans and expect the same results, especially results that soothe you. I can't carry your questions to God, i can only reflect what burdens my Spirit when I know it's time for me to ask in His presence.

What also amazes me about humans is how they don't understand that God is God, He isn't your slave. He can do whatsoever He wants and how He deems fit. You have no say about it. The only thing that makes us think we can summon Him is because He is a good God, a compassionate God and a very tolerating and accommodating God.

I Can't say more than this. I drop my pen here whilst I now go back to the op and read everything before opting out.

Love you hopefulLandlord but God loves you more.