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But this was APC 's reaction :

https://www.nairaland.com/3449750/rivers-rerun-apc-reacts-allegation#50819512

Wike’s thugs are going to individual APC
members homes to plant incriminating materials
then turn around to harass and illegally arrest and detain them with the help of the likes of Mr. Igbani.

Which is more believable?

What if it isn't a lie?

Actually he said nothing about Nigeria.

But what is it with prophets and politics? Why always prophecies related to politics?

At least, that's an evidence he bought weapons.

richidinho:
I want Nigeria Govt to urgently position our rescue team in the nearby mexico in case there is a war in America, our submarine and also presidential jets shld be provided to rescue our all important CITIZENS from America.

#AnyThingToEmbarrassThemToo

Funny. Your head dey there.

It would be a thing of great joy and pride if Nigeria can get to that level someday.

chocolateme:
You already quoted where it is written that God is a spirit..
Trying to argue it physically and literally will not solve any issues unless you are looking for controversies and arguments from folks here..
You have already answered it all.

It's wonderful how you understand this already. I really admire that. And I'm happy with the bolded.

Questions were asked on that topic already. All he wanted to do was to clear the confusion. I just got to understand it better myself.

Thanks OP and thanks Chocolateme

skeendyke:
Still vague. The Op was clear that the spirit is the opposite to the body, so to speak. Now, when you say the physical are you referring to everything physical or to a particular physical?

Please, I'll like to know your view on this:

ElsonMorali:


Well I wouldnt say I've earned the rights to teach concerning this matter, but its just my opinion.

OP mentioned light and darkness, good and evil, body and spirit.

While light and darkness, good and evil, etc are opposites and mutually exclusive, body and spirit or more accurately matter and spirits are not. That's why our bodies which are made from matter can accommodate our spirits.

Light and darkness cannot coexist in the same space, neither can good and evil. But matter and spirit can as evidenced by a living human bring who is composed of body and soul.

The difference between body and spirit is that our physical bodies are made of gross, dense particles. While the spirit is a simple organism which does not contain any parts at all. So there's no way it can be broken down into it constituent elements because it is the simplest thing that ever existed.

This reason by the way is why a spirit can never die (except for a direct act of its creator, God).

LaClicKLaBenDin:
Here it is: https://www.nairaland.com/3450292/god-male-female

Thanks dear

ElsonMorali:
Well I wouldnt say I've earned the rights to teach concerning this matter, but its just my opinion.

OP mentioned light and darkness, good and evil, body and spirit.

While light and darkness, good and evil, etc are opposites and mutually exclusive, body and spirit or more accurately matter and spirits are not. That's why our bodies which are made from matter can accommodate our spirits.

Light and darkness cannot coexist in the same space, neither can good and evil. But matter and spirit can as evidenced by a living human bring who is composed of body and soul.

The difference between body and spirit is that our physical bodies are made of gross, dense particles. While the spirit is a simple organism which does not contain any parts at all. So there's no way it can be broken down into it constituent elements because it is the simplest thing that ever existed.

This reason by the way is why a spirit can never die (except for a direct act of its creator, God).

Modified: oh by the way, I like your signature. Quoting St. Augustine I see. You should read more from him. He was a very good theologian.

Thanks dear for your explanation. The reason I believe you understand it that way is because you believe spirits exist and I understand your perspective.

Personally, I've experienced happiness and sadness simultaneously which we call mixed feelings and I'm sure I'm not the only who's felt that.

I believe we can find out more of words and opposites that co-exist if we think higher or do some research which I'm yet to do.

AND about my signature, I got it from a book but I can't remember which and who quoted it. So if you please, help me get more info on st Augustin and how to access his books. Thanks

Seun:
Christ Apostolic Church, Foursquare Gospel Church, Redeemed Christian Church Of God, and Evangelical Christian Union. All before Nairaland

Oluwaseun Osewa, what exactly happened to you before the creation of nairaland? I'm sure you know God still loves you. Even the adventurous desires of the prodigal son never reduced God's love for him.

God is watching and waiting for you to come back to your first love. We, your brothers and sisters are also praying earnestly for your greater come back. God bless you.

MrRichmond:
Okay I have read the comments here and I choose to ask a simple question.
I am not an atheist btw, but I can sympathize with their beliefs.
Since op said he wanted to reason, I implore him to do so.
If u say duality is a constant in the universe, and I am sure u agree with me that God is the creator of everything.
Wouldn't that make God the creator of both Good and evil?
Wouldn't that make God be both Male and Female at he same time?
Afterall one cannot give what he doesn't have, so if God created male and female, then there must be both male and female inside of him.
I do not intend to derail, I am just trying to 'reason'

I'm interested in your questions too but you've not told me if you believe or know spirits exist.

LaClicKLaBenDin:
I'm going to create a Topic about "God's gender."

Please let me know when you do cos I'm interested. If possible paste the link here. Thanks in advance.

ElsonMorali:
Op I'm sorry, but you missed it.

Body and spirit are not opposites like the rest that you mentioned.

They are different, but not opposites.

Please explain further, I'm interested and willing to learn.

TomHagen:
I am sure you know that some people consider this enough reason to aver that there is no such thing as the spiritual. How does one use something that cannot be ''non-existent'' as the opposite of something else.

Want you to know I like your dp. I find myself laughing out loud. Thanks for making me laugh.

They are not contradictory now. One is blaming APC, the other is praising BUHARI as usual. In other words, APC and BUHARI aren't the same.

On a serious note, PMB has never been blamed for anything, neither has he accepted any.

suasmablow:
Wike’s thugs are going to individual APC
members homes to plant incriminating materials
then turn around to
harass and illegally arrest and detain them with the
help of the likes of Mr. Igbani.

Doesn't this sound like a lie? You mean federal powers are that powerless in Rivers state?

Going to individual APC Homes ke? Eeeeeeewwoooooooo

What's all these? Fashola's time has come and gone. Ambode wouldn't have been able to take his place then. But now it's Ambode's turn, so what's your problem?

Someone will always build and another will always continue from where the previous ended.

Fashola can't come back to that position but Ambode even has more time on his hands to do better than his predecessor.

What are you crying about OP? Or you don't want anyone to continue from where Fashola stopped?

There has to be continuity, you can't stop it. Besides, they're not competing for you to dig out all those because Fashola isn't coming back - Please absorb it.

If you don't want Ambode to build on Fashola's legacy, then I suggest you destroy Lagos completely so Ambode can rebuild it for you. I'm sure that's the only way you'll feel better.

Before nko. What were you expecting INEC to do? Publicly declare their undying love towards the law offenders?

Well, Americans have to be on guard. Anyone who has friends and relatives should make them aware and most importantly, pray for them.

Redeem? Is that not POI's church? If they belong to the same church then why fighting each other. I doubt they go to the same church

Anyways, God first.

Well-done Soldiers. It's good to know this issue is no longer treated as 'soft targets'.

RIP to the deceased.

Pastor, VP, Prof Osinbanjo, His excellency. Anymore title?

That's good news. But when will PMB visit Lagos to prove much love?

skeendyke:
Bennyann, thanks for the comments. The truth is I am as weak as any man in this corrupt flesh but I learn from my falls and am confident in the fact that Jesus holds my hands and leads me along therefore whatever I am today, the credit goes to Him only.

You're not the only one dear, God has also been my strength. Though our flesh is weak but God strengthens the mortal bodies of those focused on Him.

If I should focus on quoting you, the pages would be filled with thank you's . So I'll stop here.

orunto27:
ln Christian Parlance, we have: Darkness : Light. Bad : Good. Death : Life. Forget : Faith. Abandon : Hope. Worry : Peace. Hate : Love. Devil : Jesus. Satan : Christ. There're many more which come either as Blessings or Chastisement Spirits directly from God. For example, God blesses with SUCCESS and chastises with FAILURE.

Wow! That's quite an insight.

But all some group of people think is just SCIENCE language .They've forgotten there is ENGLISH language and even ART and others have their languages. All words can't be attributed to or interpreted as SCIENCE. It seems their mental capacity is only LIMITED to science.

skeendyke:
Lovely. Cannot add anything to it or take from it.

Thank you so much. I'll gladly welcome your inputs anytime.

skeendyke:
I bet you this - they will never admit the reality of anything that hasn't the stamp of approval of Science even if they see it unfolding before their very eyes. If Science has no explanation for it then it must be some superstition or the mind playing tricks on the observer. According to them, it is not real or feasible if Science has no logical explanation for it. Talk about myopic view of reality.

You seem to know them better. Isn't it wonderful how you know what they know but still allow yourself to go beyond the physical limit, the limit of the flesh?

I admire people like you who do not let their flesh set boundaries for them.

TomHagen:
I am sure you know that some people consider this enough reason to aver that there is no such thing as the spiritual. How does one use something that cannot be ''non-existent'' as the opposite of something else.

From the beginning I said all this duality about life exists. Those we don't know simply means we don't know, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

So, let's look at the spiritual from this perspective :

The fact that something or some person isn't visible to you or the human eyes, the fact that something isn't tangible to you, isn't sensible to you, the fact that your mind cannot comprehend such things, you can't manipulate them, does that mean those things don't exist simply because of your limitations?

orunto27:
Body : Shadow. Human : Spirit. Death : Life. Dead : Exist.

That's it!

I bet you understand them than I do

TomHagen:
Why is spiritual the opposite of physical as opposed to mental?

I agree with skeendyke. Though I understand your question because many use mental as the opposite of physical.

Physical - has to do with something tangible, visible, sensible, real to the human eyes and mind.

Mental - it relates to the mind, that is any intellectual process or activity. In other words, it has to do with logic.

Let's take your thoughts as example. You can't say your thoughts are physical because they're not visible, tangible but they're real to you because you believe in your thoughts though I can't see them and you also believe in mine. Our thoughts are real to us because we all believe we have thoughts, we're living evidences of that because we (our body) act out what we think or we don't but we know our thoughts are alive in our heads.

You can say mental is a sub of Spiritual. But I go more with spiritual as the opposite of physical because we can't see spiritual things, but more importantly or better still more distinctly, we all can't tell if it's real and we all can't prove it at the same time unlike mental.

In other words, spiritual doesn't go with logics as do mental. It doesn't make sense to us because we all don't see it to be real as 'mental'

Now you see why spiritual should be more of an opposite to physical.

skeendyke:
They do not believe the last one because it wasn't mentioned in any science class or science textbook therefore its reality is debatable.

What is worse is that they refuse to admit thousands of occurrences which science (wisdom of the world) has failed to explain such as someone coming back to life after being certified dead, the use of many cutlasses or matchetes to pierce the mouth and body without blood dripping from the wound - Asians are very good at this as I first saw it on CNN a video documentary about weird realities (apologies for the mistake), the phenomena of poltergeist activities that have been caught on tape - google it or youtube it...and many many more.

Point is science may be a broad subject but its scope is very narrow and by virtue of what it is it is helplessly handicapped in relation to the events of the paranormal and the supernatural.

Even more pathetic are the ignorant folks that, as the Crusaders of Science, will ask me proof of this like I am some errand boy to serve their lazy minds with proof of what is littered all over the internet.

Last thought. To atheists and free thinkers - if science cannot explain the reality of many concepts not within its scope of operation, why would you deny their reality?

You're funny due to the bolded.

What is worse is that they refuse to admit thousands of occurrences which science (wisdom of the world) has failed to explain such as someone coming back to life after being certified dead, the use of many cutlasses or matchetes to pierce the mouth and body without blood dripping from the wound - Asians are very good at this as I first saw it on CNN a video documentary about weird realities (apologies for the mistake), the phenomena of poltergeist activities that have been caught on tape - google it or youtube it...and many many more.

The above is very insightful of you. Thanks

I join you to ask the question below :

To atheists and free thinkers - if science cannot explain the reality of many concepts not within its scope of operation, why would you deny their reality?

ValentineMary:
Mtchewww. Ask urself honestly if u made sense OP.

Yes, that's it. That's always the height of it. You can't do without talking about 'sense'. Even those wiser than you know the topic makes sense. All they have to do is share with us reasons they don't believe in the spiritual, when they believe in the physical. Which you fail to do also.

AND let me ask you, since you value 'sense' so much, what then happens to you when all your senses are gone. Or you also feel that doesn't make sense

It's amazing how words and their opposites doesn't make sense to you anymore