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Prof! In other words, he is begging you not to tear your green card for your own sake.

OP you're late. Omonnakoda got it first.
https://www.nairaland.com/3450571/man-win-us-presidential-election#50891249

You also defeated TBJoshua. Kudos

It wasn't Flesh and blood that reveal this unto you, that inspire you to warn the Christians on nairaland and also motivate you to post it.

God bless you.

What matters most is, Does God know you?

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Matthew 7:23

God knows those who do His will.

TonyeBarcanista:
God, I believe that you can see the way your people are misbehaving.

He sees it all. Wisdom is indeed far away from many.
Gosh! Blind people all over

egbonnla:
Even when God changed His Words, He announced the change before the event.......Please don't even try to use the bible to justify the false prophesy!

God bless you.

You can try defending TBJ.

But please leave God out of it. He can defend Himself.

Na wa for people oooo.

Has God Himself told you He knows TB Joshua that you all want to die for him?

God have mercy!


And please please tell TBJ next time his god changes his prophecy, he should not forget to publicize it also. Because the prophet delivered both messages in that book you quoted.

He is not Jesus that have the fullness of God, He speaks what he heard with his faith.

Prohecy is not about what you hear with faith but it's about what you hear from God. So where did he hear it from? His faith?

OP, when it comes to prophecy, you don't speak by faith. You speak what God has told you to speak.

Tell him, next time he is speaking by faith, he should tell the whole world that's what he wants personally or that he was trying his luck to get more fame and self glory.

About the fullness of God.. .... I'll leave you to go learn more.

Wisdom is indeed far away from many.

orunto27:
Pneumatology is the study of the Spirits, Science and Arts with classified languages for each. God is awesome. In Spirit, He is a Wonder, a Miracle. In Science, He is a Phenomenon and in Arts, He is Our Shadow.

Wooooow. That's a great one. Very great knowledge.

Also, the bolded caught my attention. Doesn't it mean science believe in spirits?

jonbellion:
she can't win
You need 270 electoral votes to win the white house
Trump has 268 right now
Hilary is still on 215
She has made a call to trump congratulating him

Great job. You turned out to be perfectly correct.

OP, You don win TBJ be that oooo

What if she eventually wins, who should we pity then?

It isn't over yet.

I thought TBJ said it'll be a landslide win in favor of the woman. so let's be patient please.

But seriously, I hate it with a passion when so called men of God only remember to prophesy when it comes to politics.

I wouldn't be surprised the day most of them would be highly humiliated.

It is not over until it is over.

Una wicked oooo. Anyway, a man is known and accepted as a man by doing what he says.

I doubt if he would. Except He won save face sha

Una wicked oooo. Anyway, a man is known and accepted as a man by doing what he says.

I doubt if he would. Except He won save face sha

But let's not forget Trump hasn't been proclaimed winner yet. So let's wait to see what's at the end of the tunnel.

LaClicKLaBenDin:
I find it very unsettling at the spate of attacks, since the swap deal involving boko Haram commanders and the Chibok girls....

Same here.

LiberaDeus:
Unique? I doubt it.
That's like me saying that because I have a cgpa below 1.0 I am unique. Well I guess I should be unique in that regard , unique in failure.

But coming to Christianity, having cinteadictory, senseless stories in its holy book makes it uniquely stupid. But come to think of it , Christianity isn't unique.
Lets think of the aspects of it

1. A belief in a son of god born of a virgin. We have that in mithraism, Greek mythology like Dionysus . We also have that in Egyptian religion - Osiris. In short most ancient emperors claimed divinity and immaculate conception.

2. A belief in afterlife. A place of glory and torment. Most religions have that, Islam has it, mithraism has it, Judaism has it. So nothing unique there.

3. A belief in one god and creator of the universe. Islam has it, Judaism started it, Zoroastrianism has it. So nothing unique there.

4. A belief in right and wrong and basic morality. All religions including Ifa have a moral code. So nothing unique there

5. The existence of prophets and prophecies. All religions have prophets, diviners. Nothing unique there

6. A belief in miracles of their chosen one. Muhammad performed miracles according to Muslims, Buddha performed miracles, mithra, osiris and even O.O obu claims to have performed miracles. Nothing special there.

7. Or is it resurrection. Mithra resurrected, Muhammad didn't even die, osiris resurrected etc. Nothing unique there.

8. Or maybe its having a holy book. Hmmm lets see, the oldest holy book in the world ain't the bible but the bhagavad gita of the Hindus. And at least 10 religions have holy books.

From everything I have posted its clear that xtianity ain't the unique student in class cause like all other religions it possesses the major qualities of religions. The only unique thing about Christianity is that its the most syncretic and confused religion. Adopting aspects of every thing it lays its hands on and contradicting itself with numerous baseless theologies.

Good to know. Thanks.

But since Christianity is the most foolish and confusing of them all, then don't you think it would be kind of difficult to choose from the rest since they're mostly okay in someway to us?

LiberaDeus:
The funny thing about Christianity is that you dont even have to use science to debunk it.

Very true. Between the two it's Christianity that doesn't make sense to the human mind at all. Is that why it's so unique?

Wilgrea7:
Really?? .. so they believe Jesus is coming back to kill us all?? mehn... i better convert to Islam

Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall.....

It's better to find out which of the Jesus' is coming back first before the antichrist.

That's wiser in a logical way I believe.

The Muslim Jesus is different from the Christian Jesus.

If the mission of the Muslim Jesus coming back again is to wage war against Christians, then surely one of the Jesus is an antichrist.

In other words, Islam is different from Christianity and the Jesus' aren't the same because they have different missions.

Two of them can't be right. Surely, only one way is the right way. We'll find out when our physical eyes are closed forever or when one of the Jesus' comes.

So Till then, case closed.

Case la ferme.

ElsonMorali:
While I understand your point we may just agree to disagree.

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

Those qualities that you listed are the differences between the two. Doesn't exactly makes them polar opposites.

The opposite of body?

Body doesn't have an opposite. Its just like me asking what's the opposite of a dog? Surely its not a cat. They are two different animals.

Let me put it this way.

When two things are opposites they can't be together, we say they are mutually exclusive.

For example, the opposite of male is female. We can't have transgendered occurring naturally.

The opposite of light is darkness. We can't have both light and darkness together in the same place.

The opposite of East is West, North is South, because they can't be together no matter what.

The opposite of cold is hot, a thing can't be cold and hot at the same time.

The body, soul and spirit are different entities. And they can all be together in the same place as evidenced in man.

But hey, we don't have to agree. It's good to see someone who thinks about these things too.

It's more fulfilling and satisfying if we strive to agree, to come to a convincing and satisfactory conclusion.

You've been stressing on 'things in opposition to each other cannot be together'. But that's not the standard for concluding what is opposite to what.

I tried giving an example of happy and sad (mixed feelings) but you rejected it because you feel it happens to those with psychological issues and you termed it an emotional issue which is true but don't forget to normal people, it happens once in a while. Even the spirit in a body is also temporal.

You made mention of body and spirit are different entities, but words and opposites are also graded differently e.g.
Emotional - happy and sad
Measurement - long and short
Directional - left and right
Moral - good and bad
Etc. They can be classified into different categories. And most of these can be together easily by man made works, like long and short things can be put together by work of art. I know this doesn't make sense but I'll give you the best example you're looking for.

Before then, I want you to know that the academic or logical world also agreed that spirit should be an opposite of body. How do they come about that?

For us to understand them and to understand you by following your standard belief of mutual exclusivity. Let's look at it like this - forget about the human spirit.

One thing that makes us to reason greatly on this topic is because you believe spirits exist and you understand them better. But put the human spirit aside for now.

Since you believe in spirits and you're a Theists, you'll agree with me that spirits exist long before humans or/and the human spirit. Meaning not all spirits has a body or have put on a body. Most function without using a body or having a personal body - a body solely meant for a particular spirit.

To make it simpler, let's say the academic world see it like this:

'Body - spirit' and not 'Body - human spirit' as opposites.
I believe you should agree with me on this.

I told you earlier on I would give you an example that is against mutual exclusivity that may convince you and please let me know if it does.

In biology related science, we have what we call recessive and dominant genes. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

Using black and white which are contrast to each other, Let's take for example a man with a black dominant gene but having a white recessive gene. - how do you explain that? Does it support your mutual exclusive concept?

What about using blood groups as another example. Let's say an O+ mother with an O- fœtus inside of her. Can you imagine the wonder of such biological processes going on inside of her?

I hope this examples make sense than the foolish ones up there? We all know mutual exclusivity can sometimes be bias. Nothing is impossible after all.

So please let me know your mind. And I will stop here by thanking you for giving me the courage or inspiring me to think higher.

ElsonMorali:
Emotions are not exactly substantial and they don't exactly fit into this discussion. There are people with multiple personality disorder who carry around different personalities withing them ranging from 2 to sometimes up to a hundred. These emotions, feelings all belong in the psychological realm.

We are talking of physical and spiritual realms here.

Also note that, no human is 100% good nor 100% evil. Only God and Satan fall in both ends of the spectrum

We on the other hand are a blend of both inasmuch as we are all sinners.

When I say darkness, I think we both know I meant pitch darkness and not the grey of the dusk or dawn.

Darkness is the absence of light.

No way God can have any pinpoint of evil within him since evil is the absence of good and God is goodness itself.

Like I wrote earlier, strictly speaking, God isn't good, he is goodness.
God isn't beautiful, he is beauty.
Gid isn't wise, he is wisdom
God isn't just, he is justice.

So when you behold a flower with beautiful petals, you say it is beautiful right? In other words and more accurately, it mirrors God and reflects that attribute of God, Beauty, in its own little way. Just like the moon reflects the light of the sun to us on earth.

That's why it is baffling when you come across atheists and God-haters who claim they don't believe in God.

Is it possible to look around you and observe the beauty of nature and your heart would be closed to God?

St Augustine is a Catholic saint and a doctor of the church.

He lived a life of debauchery before he was mercifully converted to Christ due to the prayers of his saintly mother, St. Monica.

He became the Bishop of Hippo and immersed himself in finding God. His writings are rich and beautiful.

Search for his works in any authentic Catholic bookshop especially, any St Paul's bookshop in the city where you live.

You may also want to read the works of St. Thomas Aquinas. I promise you, you won't be disappointed. Most Catholic parishes have bookshops within their compounds.

I understand you perfectly especially from the spiritual perspective.

But we are talking about words and their antonyms. Personally, I don't think it matters whether they co-exist or not - words and opposites are not based on that but on relative differences in their functions and what they represent. E.g

Body is mortal - spirit is immortal
Body is lifeless - spirit gives life or is full of life
Body is material - spirit is immaterial
Body has a material force - spirit has immaterial force
Body is tangible - spirit is intangible
Body is a person's physical part - spirit is person's non physical part. And so on and so forth.
Spirit suits perfectly the opposite of everything that has to do with a body. Even the mind and intellect is associated with the spirit.


Please Note: the spirit is not limited to the Spirit you're referring to but we're talking about all kinds of spirits. The essence of this thread is to prove logically, that since we all believed the 'words and their opposites' taught us, meaning they exist, why then don't they believe that spirit which is the opposite to body exist also.

Forgive me, I didn't plan to go biblical but intellectual, according to what we were taught academically. But for you I have to so you can get me better.

Even the Bible proves this in Galatians 5:17
New International Version
For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.

If still you don't agree with me in this context, then may I please know your answer, if I should ask 'what is the opposite of body?'

Have it in mind I understand the perspective you're coming from. And thanks for the info on St Augustin. I really appreciate it.

Seun I just want to know your view. I hope it pleases you to answer and it'll be an honour if you do.

If you should find someone you love so desperately and extremely and you did all you could for that person to love you but failed woefully. Then you felt the only option left was for you to manipulate or control her into loving you. You took her freewill because you had the power since you needed to be intensely, intimately and desperately loved by her. Well, then you won eventually because she turned out to love you the way you want.

Won't you feel something is missing? Because you didn't win her heart but you blinded it. Won't you feel a part of your heart telling you the love you enjoy isn't real because this lady doesn't love you of her own accord. She just turned out to be your robot

Doesn't it show you are selfish? That You prefer to satisfy yourself only and ignore the feelings of others?

The greatest love you can show is not to please yourself at the detriment of others.

As humans we yearn to be loved. We desire sincere love. But I don't know if I'm correct about all humans.

So please tell me.

Which do you prefer? One who will love you willingly, irrespective of your weaknesses and strengths or your robot who you've brainwashed to love you blindly?

coolbreezy01:
Tanx was really mad at him. Will do the needfull.

God bless you for your humble heart.

Seun:
I am certainly a lost cause to religion. There's no question about that. I am [b]grateful[/b]that they gave up on trying to force me to be a Christian.

Now I am optimistic that God will win you over eventually. I can sense it all over me.

You know God has great interest in those who feels hopeless towards Him. Who feels they have a very slim chance of succeeding when it comes to Him. You feel you are not useful to Him. That's all God is interested in to win your heart.

God is more interested in those who feel they're not qualified in Him. I mean He has a special interest in them.

I've come to know through this interview: it isn't that you hate God, and it isn't that you don't believe in Him. It's just that you feel you couldn't satisfy Him.

I don't know what exactly it is that you might have struggled with that led to your conclusion but I know and I'm now more than sure that God will win this case and you will then understand Him better.

I hand the rest over to God while all we can do now is pray for you. And I praise God for winning this battle.

You'll definitely see the victory of God before it's too late.

coolbreezy01:
Yea I stole it as a guest then..seun I can get u a chat with daddy G.O of RCCG. He will truly help u cause it seems u are truly a lost cause. If dem delete dix post ehn...okay nw

Please don't call him a 'lost cause'. God forbids! I reject that on his behalf. Who are you to call him that. Please let's be wise here and not use sensitive words against one another.

I suggest you modify that. You yourself will feel good in your heart afterwards.

Seun:
I stopped going to church years before starting Nairaland. My folks forced me to attend church and the daily family prayer time for a while, but when I started asking questions they couldn't answer, they stopped, because they didn't want me to influence my siblings to lose their faith too.

Here's a thread titled "Why I Am Not A Christian Anymore" which I posted less than a year after starting Nairaland.

Your children may eventually ask you questions meant for atheists that you may not be able to answer. Maybe that's when it'll down on you....

Let me click on that link first.

I think the world will become a much better place if we were all atheists, because we would strive to solve all our problems instead of expecting divine intervention which never really happens. We would value human life very much because we know that once lost it cannot be replaced.

Please, how did you come about the bolded? Was there someone very close to you who never gave the human life the value it deserves?

So PMB has his fears?