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Lennycool:
What makes you think the religion you're born into is the right one?
Just think about it.
If you were born 200 years ago in nigeria you would have been a traditional worshipper for sure.
In India you would be Hindu
In Greek a believer of Zeus
And in Iran Muslim.
It is a matter of sheer luck that you were born Christian. Yet you believe firmly that yours is the only true way to God.

There is a difference between born into and deciding to remain or change because of a personal conviction.

We are no more babies so we don't talk about serendipity in issues like this, we rather talk about our decisions and personal convictions.

Besides, I don't remember telling you my religion is the right one. I only told you to see things from other perspective also. I only said out my thoughts.

But it's so amazing how you can easily voice out my beliefs. Kudos

Don't you believe you are also on the right path or you have mixed feelings?

And dear, it was out of love I said whatever I said and not for it to yield any form of arguments.

Thank you.

When your creator keeps speaking to you through your spirit to give you direction... .....

You will then ask, but Lord, when did you reveal yourself? Lord, when did you speak to me?

May God help us to please Him to the end.




To CeoMYN and Lennycool, why don't you see it from another perspective also. Like your creator reminding you of your promises to Him. I'm sure at a point in time, you sang those songs from the depth of your hearts and not just for singing sake.

I'm just thinking out loud. Who knows

rexben:
Christianity is not unique.
It would've been unique if Christians actually follow Jesus as they claim.
Christians are disciples of Paul and not Jesus

Please why exactly did you say so?

Remember Christians were given the name because they behaved like Jesus. That's what is still expected of anyone who calls himself Christian. Christians are to emulate Jesus only. The life of a Christian should reflect Jesus to the world.

lepasharon:
Maybe if you did more reading around and become enlightened, you would realise that there is nothing unique about christianity as it a merger of ancient religions.

Please enlighten us and tell us the merged ancient religions aside Judaism through which the prophecy was spoken but was revealed or came into existence through Christianity.

I'll be glad if you can give us more insight. Thanks.

[quote author=LiberaDeus post=51013416][/quote]LiberaDeus (free God?) , you guys seem to love Latin.

Anyway, I'll like to say my good night here. But first let me tell you what I desire for you from my heart, I don't know if you'll agree with me though.

I hope curiosity doesn't defeat you, I prefer you be the one to defeat curiosity.

Good night.

joyContraMundum:
That's right. Sorry for being that way. I was too hasty to pass a judgement due to the way I see Abrahamists. Humans are prone to emotional reactions where they ought to have been more rational, at times. It's one of the foibles of human nature that we can't help but deal with from time to time.

And your observation was correct. It's indeed [color=indigo]joyContraMundum[/color]: "Joy against the world".

Contra mundum is Latin for "against the world". It denotes defiance of general opinion; persevering in the teeth of universal criticism, discouragement and hostility; standing against everything and everyone (that's on the wrong) .

I'm impressed since it's against anything wrong. I'm yet to know what things are wrong to you.

I'm contra mundum in the sense of standing against mainstream religion, mainstream science (scientific materialism!) and mainstream politics alike, and supporting the cause of reason and logic over faith, mysticism, relativism, empiricism, subjectivism and solipsism. I think this world is a madhouse, a cosmic prison planet and that everything about it needs to change, that all values must be revalued (as Nietzsche had realised), and all idols - especially those of religion, materialist science and politics - toppled. Humanity has always listened to false prophets and knelt to false gods. It's about time we entered the Age of Truth... which is simply the Age of Reason. Reason, and reason alone, takes us to the Truth.

Heiiiiiiiiii, O Boy, you seem to be against meoooo. Please I beg you, don't let your joy be against me.

How do you stop the world from being run by fools? How do you make the majority realise they are fools ('Cause they certainly are!)? How can you change the world for the better if you can never " get rid " (that's to prevent KingEbukasBlog from coming here to take that literally and accuse me of genocidal tendencies of the Stalinist magnitude. ) of the fools who are the cause of the world changing for the worse? All contra mundum individuals are faced with the most intractable of problems. How can the Truth succeed in a world where the Lie is all-conquering?

This is serious ooo, you Don insult me on top. The day the fools will come for you, I won't be able to save you ooo

Once you become contra mundum, you had better be strong because you will have far more enemies than friends. It's always lonely to be on the side of the Truth. Nothing is more popular and seductive than the Lie. The truth is pure reason, but the human race despises pure reason, and has no relationship with it. Humans relate to their feelings, faith, mystical intuitions, senses, subjective experiences and personal opinions. Reason doesn't get a look in. It's regarded as unreal, abstract and inhuman.

I'm sure you have more friends than I do. The way na plenty for nairaland ehn, my mouth cannot tell it all.

"The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population - the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it's the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it's the fools that form the overwhelming majority"

"I'm plotting revolution against this lie that that the majority has a monopoly on the truth. What are these truths that always bring the majority rallying round? Truths so elderly they are practically senile. And when a truth is as old as that, gentlemen, you can hardly tell it from a lie."

Do you know God likes working with minority? He's more interested in minorities. He uses those in the minority more.

Except you want to tell me you understand the concept of "one with God is majority" and that's what you are against. Is it?

I want to thank you for replying me.

LiberaDeus:
My friend the unfortunate thing about Christianity is that you can find scriptures to back every thing up.

If you say love should be the motivation for Christianity then what do you have to say about scriptures that talk about hell and eternal torment. The crux of the Christian faith is saving humanity from eternal torment and damnation. Please is such an appeal not an appeal to run from danger and torture and embrace glory.

It is a typical carrot and stick approach. For you what is important now is your desire for god. But ask yourself what happens when that desire falters, when your desire to praise and worship reduces, when the troubles of life come?
You won't cease being a Christian because there is another motivation that should keep you in line which is avoiding the wrath of god. That motivation is fear, it kept the ancient Jews in Yahweh worship, kept the medieval Catholics in obedience to the Vatican, it keeps children in Islam, in Mormonism, in Christianity etc. That is the longest lasting and most reliable tool to keep people in religion.

Tell me the truth, how many people do you know that have such a desire to go to heaven?

In reality, many are not so freaked out by living and praising god forever, many don't want to live for more than a 1000 years, many find heaven to be a bit boring but there are surely some who want to be there and who want to know god. If churchgoing can serve as an indicator of how well people desire heaven then it goes to show that most people ain't enthusiastic about church services, many are not enthusiastic about gospel music that's why secular artists are the best selling. This shows that people are not really desiring the so called presence of god which also shows that many are not really desiring eternal fellowship in a heaven with god. But you might be the type that desires it.

But please tell me, do you know any human being that doesn't have a slight fear of hell or even fire. All mammals fear fire. The fear of hell is the strongest motivator and the most effective. It goes to show that many church goers are only there because they feel its the right thing to do to avoid the eternal wrath of god. If there was no doctrine of hell, you would see more freethinkers because people won't be scared to scrutinize Christianity.

This is what the medieval Catholics discovered that made them decide to twist and contort the new testament to create a fearful, terrible, horrendous doctrine of eternal damnation. That ploy elongated the lifespan of Christianity and also the length of the Catholic dominance of Europe. This psychological ploys work in every religion and Christianity isn't exempt.

I won't be surprised if your observation is an answer to a question that's been on my mind.

There is this song sang by Donnie Mcclurkin, it goes like this :

If there were no gates of pearl
If there were no streets of gold
If there was no other world
And a land where we won't grow old

I'm not thinking about those sights
Won't be there to enjoy the view
I think heaven will be alright
As long as Your there, as long as there is You

[Vamp:]
When we all get to heaven
What a day of rejoicing that will be
When we all see Jesus
We will sing and shout the victory

I love this song so much because it shows my desire of nothing else but Jesus, but God. I never would have been able to come up with those words on my own but it was so amazing the writer of the song felt the same way. That nothing else matters but Jesus


I remember suggesting using the song for ministration but many were against it, saying they don't want to go to heaven now. I was shocked because I felt all gospel love songs should be cherished by Christians.

I started wondering why since then. So I wouldn't be surprised if the answers can be found in your write ups.

Circumstances of life has never changed my love for God, that's why I know He's the one who has placed that love in my heart because I wouldn't have done that on my own. My life hasn't been that rosy, infact, I can say my life hasn't been rosy at all. I'm still waiting for it to be rosy even if it's just for a second. And believe me, I'm very hopeful in Him. And I also can't wait to share the expected testimonies here with everyone.

The love for God keeps me going, no matter what happens around me. Maybe it's because I've made the decision to love Him no matter what. There's this joy and peace I feel on the inside that comforts me. I feel that peace gives me direction because when it's like I'm about straying in any way, the peace tends to reduce. So that peace is like a traffic light to me. And it gives me so much joy to always feel that peace.

Love brings joy and peace. Love is the secret. Believe me I wouldn't want to hurt the one I love. And I'm grateful it's God I am in love with.

About hell, I wouldn't want to talk about it. Because my confidence in quoting you, my encouragement to have quoted you was gotten from my love experience for God and has nothing to do with hell.

I pray that if truly there's an Almighty God, if truly there's any God that bears the title God of all gods, may He reveal Himself to us, may He draw us closer to Him and may He give us the grace to draw closer to Him also. - to as many that are willing to know the true God.

LiberaDeus:
For those reading, the reason why when push comes to shove, the major thing all Christians will come to do is to threaten you with hell, not appeal with common sense, not appeal with love, nah, the major thing is hell is because when you strip Christian doctrine to the core, what remains is really the fear of the unknown .

That is the core driving force and motivation, that's why Christians can't understand why one will risk hell for just a very short life since they have been deluded to think that they will exist for over a billion years and will either spend that time in a glorious medieval mansion or in writhing agony.

This is the real driving force and purpose of Christianity and most religions which in is using fear to control independent human beings .

Just like when you carry a computer and strip it bare, the most important component is the processor even though there are other components.

Likening Christianity to a computer, it has components like morality, miracles, prophecies, hope of glory, praise, worship but the processor and driving force is the fear of eternal damnation, torture and rejection .
Fear is the worst motivator to use to accept something as true because the very nature of fear clouds critical thinking.

Its fear that lions use to put a herd of buffalos to a chase and they never think of the fact they can actually stop and kill the lion because fear cannot and will not promote critical thinking. Christians are like that here while freethinkers are the few who have questioned what they have believed and are facing the lion fair and square and have also discovered that there is nothing to be scared of.

I'm sorry dear but that's not how Christians should be. Who knows maybe that's why so many Christians are no longer Christians because they are afraid of the unknown. If we do lots of research we will find out the Bible is clearly against fear. You just have to respect God.


Anyways, the reason I quote you with so much confidence is because FEAR isn't my driving force but LOVE. I love God sooooo much, too much that I've given my all to Him and I'm not scared of tomorrow. I'm not even scared of death not to talk about hell. I'm not scared of what man can do to me or this body of mine.

The love for God, the hunger and thirst for God is my driving force. That's the secret to being a successful Christian.

I'm sure anyone whose driving force in Christianity is fear of the unknown and not love for God, it'll be hard for that Christian because it opens doors for the enemy to have the upper hand against him.

For God hasn't given us the spirit of fear, but of power of love and of a sound mind .

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love .

Love and fear are mutually exclusive. If we have perfect love we will not fear. But if we have fear we do not have perfect love


To all the Christians here, fear is our greatest enemy.
A spirit of fearfulness and timidity does not come from God. I urge us to be like king David when he said he will not be afraid because his trust is in the Lord.

In Matthew 10, Jesus told us not to be afraid cos we are worth more than many sparrows.

Isiah 41:10
“Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.

So my dear Christians, “Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?”.

The secret is Love and not fear.

Love of God is what has been sustaining me and still sustains me in Him. I don't know if it's because I'm the type who loves hard, but I pray such love for God will not be taken away from me.

I love you Lord with all my heart and all my soul and all that is within me, and I pray you bless me with so much love for you so that nothing can separate me from your love.

joyContraMundum:
Of course, we're DIFFERENT. You're an Abrahamist for goodness' sake. The difference is glaring. I just had to correct a fallacious way of thinking that has gained prominence among you evangelical protestants.

Happy Sunday to you too.

You like trouble ooo

You didn't correct me but attacked me. I'm still thinking of where I erred for you wanting to correct me.

Actually, I've never used the word 'Abrahamist' before.

Even among atheists, attitudes differ. So it is with other group of people. So don't be in a hurry to judge till the person has given you a reason to.

Your moniker interests me. I'll like to know the meaning and why the moniker. Is it 'joy against the world'?

Lord Jesus, I thank you for your finished works on the cross and also for leaving us Your Holy Spirit.

joyContraMundum:
There you go; the "you were never a true Christian" nonsense. Get something else to cling onto, man. The rubbish doesn't work anymore.

There you go yourself. Just remember 'we're all different'. Happy Sunday.

LiberaDeus:
I didn't fake it. I couldn't speak in tongues for the first 6 months of being born again. I couldn't bring my self to fake it. It came after much prayer in a particular night vigil.

The experience of speaking in tongues is not fake as most non Christians think it is. There are clearly some people that fake it but I can guess that at least half the people that do it don't fake it. In speaking in tongues, you feel a stirring inside you and suddenly it pops to the surface and utterances come out. For the average christian, this must be a sign of the power of god. But in reality, the experience involves the subconscious taking over the conscious for a while and it can be put on and off like a tap.

The fact that the tongues are usually words or syllables uttered in a careless manner goes to show that it isn't related to the real speaking in tongues that was spoken about in acts of the apostles whereby the apostles spoke other people's languages.

Early Pentecostals found this out and never let go of it, they immediately tied it to the tongues in acts of the apostles. But in reality, it is a phenomenon that goes on in many religions like ifa , voodoo, Sufism, bahai, paganism etc.
For the average mind, the phenomenon is so wonderful that immediately you experience it you tie it to the presence and power of god. One thing it does is to increase confidence.

The funny thing about it is that no matter what you do you can turn it off and on at will. I can still do it and when one at do it I don't mean fake it but I mean the real stirring inside and utterances.

You can have sex and do it, you can be doing anything and be doing it. This just goes to show that it can't be spirit inspired since even without the so called presence of god , one can still feel and do it. It shows it is purely neurological.

For your second question, when people say power of the spirit, they most likely mean a deep feeling that is not normally experienced by man, something so awesome and joyful. For the average mind that already believes, this is seen as a true testament to God's power.
For me, it meant feeling an awesome presence of god and also feeling in awe of that presence, praying and praising and feeling joy unspeakable, supernatural vibrations, hearing the still small voice, getting a rhema etc.
When Christians say things like " I can never stop believing because I have the evidence in my heart" , this is what they hold on to in reality. Its this experiences that forms the crux of the modern Pentecostal faith and because of this many Christians can afford to twist logic on its head because it doesn't matter if the bible doesn't make sense or prophecies don't come true, for them what matters is that they can feel and hear god.

What you have to know is that all these things are not spiritual as we claim but deeply psychological. Just because neuroscience hasn't explored it doesn't mean we should immediately substitute a god there. The brains neural pathways have been explored to just 15percent, so we have 85 percent of neural functions to explore. There is a high probability that all these feeling and experiences are buried there. For the Christians that experience these things, I don't argue with their experiences, I don't see why a grown man will want to be screaming and rolling in church for attention, it's clear these spiritual gymnastics are not done willfully but as people are led by this deeply psychological experiences.

One might ask, why does it happen only in churches where the presence of god is, well that's because the people there believe it . Belief is a very powerful precursor to such things .

To prove my point, Google the documentary MarJoe, it's about a boy forced to be a preacher by his parents but later decongestants, he starts a ministry but secretly gives a documentary to journalists about how fraudulent it is. Even though his intentions were fraudulent , people were still moved by the power of the spirit[ deep emotional experiences], the congregation spoke in tongues, rolled on the floor, wept before the presence of god and did all things imaginable. He showed the journalists how he could achieve that just with music and basic psychology. These so called power of the spirit could be replicated by a fraudster. That's why I keep telling Christians not to judge truth by their personal convictions or feelings but to compare facts .
The documentary won an academy award.

Thank you so much for your reply.

All religions agree that mankind is in a mess. The Bible puts it this way: “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23). “We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isaiah 53:6). Each religion sets out its own way of rescuing us from this desperate situation. Let us think of the problem as that of a man who has fallen down a deep well. The question is how to get him out.



First comes Mohammed who looks over the top of the well and says; "if you will only keep the five rules of Islam then you will be able to escape from the well. You must pray five times a day, eat no pork, drink no alcohol, keep the feast of Ramadan and make the pilgrimage to Mecca".

Contemporary Rabbinic Judaism is no different. They will pile on the man more rules and regulations based on the 10 commandments. “Keep the Law” and you will be accepted. But a man has only his own strength to keep these commandments, so after a few steps up he falls back again and cries out for help.

Then comes Buddha who looks over the top of the well and says: "I can see You are in a mess; the problem is due to pain and desire. If you follow the noble eightfold path you will escape from these ultimately into Nirvana." The man may find inner peace but he is still down the well.

Jesus comes to the top of the well and looks down and says: "I can see that you are in a mess; you will never get out by means of your own resources. As I said through one of my prophets: "Can the leopard change his spots or the Ethiopian his skin? No more can do good who are accustomed to do evil." Jeremiah 13: 23.
"I will have to let down a rope and come down into the well myself in order to rescue you. I will hold you firmly because you do not even have the strength to hold on to me yourself."



Only Christianity speaks about God becoming a human being to rescue us. In John 10 Jesus describes himself as the Good Shepherd (10:11, 14), the Good shepherd who lay down his life for the sheep (10:15), who draws all true worshippers together into one fold (10:16).

On what evidence do Christians base this claim that Jesus is the only way? Mainly on Jesus' own words. Jesus claimed to be the only Saviour "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). From His own words, both Jesus' followers and his opponents recognized that He claimed to be God, the only one able to save us from sin and death (see also John 20:24-29; John 10:31-33).




What Makes Jesus Unique?

1. Uniquely in Qualification
Peter proclaimed him as the “Holy and Righteous one” (Acts 3:14) and the “author of life” (3:15), the one “the prophets foretold.” (3:18). The first Christians worshipped Jesus as God.
Predicted 300 x before he came.
Sinless Holy Life.
Taught with great wisdom.
Miracles of great power over creation, disease and death.
This sets Jesus apart from the other leaders of the worlds religious.


2. Unique in Achievement
As Peter asserts “salvation s found in no-one else, for there is no other name under heaven given by men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12). Other religions say that we must work hard to deliver ourselves. They are all effort; Christianity is all grace.

Only Christianity says that the King of the Universe came into this world, became Jesus died horribly to atone for the guilt of his rebel subjects. Such a thought is not even found in the area of fiction and romance. Other religions are about people’s best efforts to reach God, Christianity is God's supreme effort to reach us. The difference between Christianity and other religions can be summed up in one world. It’s the difference between “do” and “done”. Religion - from the Latin word ‘religio’ is all about works - what I must do - present tense. Christianity is all about Grace - what Jesus has done - past tense. The Choice - Do or Done?


3. Unique in his Resurrection
Paul asserts “who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God, by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 1:4). The resurrection of Jesusis a unique event in the history of the world. The resurrection of Jesus lies at the heart of the Christian faith. Jesus is alive today. You can know him. We cannot know Buddah or Muhammed. Jesus is the unique Son of God, validated by predictions made hundreds of years before he came, vindicated by a life of profound teaching and incredible miracles, who uniquely died for the sins of the world and in our place and uniquely rose again. Beat that.



http://extremelifechanger.com/index.php?p=1_39_35-Christianity-vs-Other-Religions

LiberaDeus:
Nah you weren't once like me, I was once like you
I was a devout spiritual Christian for 5 years. I did everything you did from speaking in tongues to prayer to receiving ministrations to communing with the holy spirit . I evangelized, gave to the body of Christ, studied the word of god, received rhema, praised god and felt the so called power of the spirit .

I had all those doubts since. But I did what you are doing now which is rationalizing and creating a locked room in my mind. I shunned the doubts and even prayed to god to help me with those doubts and confusion. I succeeded for a while with that.

But it got to a point that I accepted the fact that god and the bible must be truth and truth is strong enough to fight for itself . You don't need to run away from arguments if you believe the truth, arguments would melt away when nearing the truth like objects melt when close to our sun. If it is of god then logic must foll9w through.

By the way we believe that the spiritual controls the physical, so even if the spiritual doesn't make sense for a while the effect of the spiritual will eventually affect the physical. That's why I asked for the result of your higher perception.

I opened my mind to all view points and analysed them, it sure took a while but the truth came out. And that truth is that Christianity is purely man made. The doctrines, the scriptures and even the stories. But you might wonder where do the spiritual experiences come from. They are totally psychological, some aspects are understandable like glossolalia[ speaking in tongues] to visions but some are hard to explain. But just because we have some mysterious spiritual experiences doesn't absolve the fact that the so called word of god is a walking contradiction in every aspect. We might not understand deep emotional or spiritual experiences but the Christian world view can't explain it because it is built on fables, mythology and history.

If you talk about a conscious decision to give god a try, the question I would ask is , Which God?

When you ask that question , you will be left with no option than to scrutinize all religious claims, how do you even decide the Christian denomination you should belong to? You must assess it. When you go through a real honest assessment of your beliefs and why you believe what you believe then you will be inching closer to the truth.

So no need to claim you have a higher perception cause if I can't see the effects of the higher perception then it is nothing but empty rhetoric.

Forgive me please, I tried not asking but I couldn't help it.

I will like to know if you were among those that faked speaking in tongues. Because it was said here and maybe by you that it wasn't real.

AND can you also tell me what you meant by you felt the power of the Spirit?

freeDR:
The many folktales of the tortoise were all false. Does it mean there were real life events that had the tortoise and other animals talking? Dear friend, some things will only exist in your imagination, and in your imagination alone.

I thought I won't comment on nairaland today. Uuuuuurrrrggghhhh.

Anyways, thank God you said 'folktales' which is the same as 'false'

False - Folktale - animals talk
Fact - Non - fiction - some animals don't talk

The fact that lower animals don't talk as higher animals doesn't mean they don't talk. It is just that most of us don't understand their sounds or language.

You don't expect them to talk as you do. Do you?

And you know what, it's true some things will only exist in our imaginations alone, but that shouldn't stop me from imagining. Because when I don't imagine, it means I can't think or I have no dream, then I won't be able to influence my world.

Thank you.

BigIyanga:
Good luck with that! More Americans voted against him than voted for him. He won by electoral college

Agreed. Let's just say Americans believe in their presidential electors.

Anas09:
Hahahahahahahaha The Holy Spirit ready for you.
Na one by one, another person turn here go.come.

Amenooo

Femiolu2000:
PRAY, he doesn't lead American to change in reverse, division, racism and war!!!! Trump is anything but a good leader

To me, Hilary is anything but a good leader also. It was like an issue between the devil and the deep blue sea.

But I take my consolation in this: that good, I'll rather say best things do come from the least expected person.

Rose2014:
It'll only be sad news if Trump leads America to recession like Buhari did Nigeria

It'll really be a sad news dear and it wouldn't be funny.

I believe Trump is very smart and won't let that happen. I only have problem with the way he talks. He talks before thinking but I'm sure he'll take care of that with immediate effect.

You've done what you could former Governor.

Please OP, we need your Biodata so we can mark your words

It's this kind of talks sef that won't encourage or convince him to help you.

It'll only be a sad news if Americans don't unite to work with him but I know they will.

It has left America more divided. Really?

It seems current elections leave a country more divided.

But I know America will stand the test of time. She will come out victorious.

I believe Trump is more accommodating than we think

Let's really hope Trump is a man of his words. We wait to see.

I don't want to hear cry of disappointment in Trump tomorrow. I Don talk my own

Why this now? Why is it now? Please let him rest, let him recover now. Do you want to finish him off?

bbfever:
Lol only 5yrs? Then this convo is done. I was like you for almost 17yrs. I really do not think we need to continue this convo for the simple reason that I was like you for almost 17yrs and now I have been in the faith for over 20yrs so on both sides I TRUMP you when it comes to experiences. So thank you for your time.

You remind me of Apostle Paul. More grace Sir!



"But many who are first will be last and many who are last will be first"

May we not be the first that turns out to be the last. And may we also not be the last waiting to be the first, only to find out its too late.

There's a difference between the potter and the clay and each has their own roles.

That's all i feel like saying here.

shumuel:
Have said countless times and i would also repeat it now

'' The day a Man of God deviate into politics is the day The God leaves the Man. ''

That's deep!

Seun:
Here's a fake superman. Where's the real superman?

I think I've derailed the thread unintentionally, though. The OP wants a biblical answer. Here's one:

We all know the real superman is clark

I Can't believe you've also given a biblical answer. OP mark that.

Acidosis:
That's s a cartoon (caricature), not a dragon.

I Can't laugh enough.

But must you remind Seun that?