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Acidosis:
Another illogical viewpoint. How can you have a false without a "true"?

Thank you for that.

Seun:
Here is a fake fire-breathing dragon. Where can I find a real fire-breathing dragon?

Funny! Please, just tell me You aren't serious ooo.

How do you know something is false, if you have no idea of the real one already?

The word 'false' doesn't exist on its own. It depends on the word 'real'.

For you to say something is fake or false, it means you know there's an 'original' or a 'real' one already.

Simple logic.

Acidosis:
Another illogical viewpoint. How can you have a false without a "true"?


Who are the co-ignoramus that liked and shared this viewpoint?

Thank you jare

I'm still wondering why some of us do not believe spirits exist even when it's academically accepted that the opposite of body is spirit.

Is it that we only believe what we want to believe and discard the rest?

bbfever:
Blessed are they who though have not seen..yet believe.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.

Thid is why we are so different from Atheists. Our perceptions differ.

Theists have a higher perception while Atheists have a lower one but assume they have the higher one through logic.

Good one dear.

Sometimes you have to come down to their level to explain things to them for easy understanding.

Do you know even scientists believe 'everyone do not see things the same way'

They really need to borrow the eyes of the others who see what they can't see.

ShaqFu:
Of course. "Seeing is believing" is it not.

The fact that I missed seeing the object mean the object isn't there, why should I take the other person's word for it?

It's now left for me to see the object the person's trying to show me. Until I do, the object isn't there.

I believe there's a fallacy of such a thing.

Very well then. I can understand the one who doesn't believe because he did not see.

But the one who couldn't see the object can't conclude the other that said he saw did not see.

The fact that you didn't see doesn't mean there was no evidence of an object. And this was due to your perception limit.

In other words, our perceptions are individually based.

So I think it's OK when I say they can't go beyond what their own eyes can see .

ShaqFu:
Of course, but even if I missed what that person is trying to show me, I still see it in due time.

So, nothing is amiss.

But at that particular time you didn't see it, Will you then conclude that the object wasn't there because you couldn't see what the person was trying to show you?

ShaqFu:
And how do you explain what only your own eyes can see to them?

Hold on! We're still in the physical realm here. Let me use a simple realistic scenario by asking this.

Haven't you experienced where someone held your hands trying to make you see what he was seeing and yet you couldn't even though you were on the same position with the person, till that object passes by? Or better still, you were the one trying to make the other person see what you were seeing and the person couldn't see it?

Will you then conclude that the object wasn't there because you couldn't see what the person was trying to show you or the person didn't see what you were trying to show him.?

pussyphilia:
Atheigelists of course

Please stop pulling my legs now. I don't wanna fall for it anymore.

akintom:
On what variables did you conduct the analysis, before you arrived at your conclusion on atheists?

Nothing, just the usual "i believe", "I know", "I'm sure", of the religious folks.

You see yourself, you've concluded without research not to talk of evidence.

Anyways, when I say I've noticed atheists are not free minded, this was what I meant:

Atheists are not willing to accept someone else’s beliefs, way of life etc without criticizing them, even if they disagree with them.

If you need evidence, please go back and read through all the pages of this thread starting from the first page or you may visit other related threads cos I feel so lazy to do that for you right now.

ShaqFu:
Realist.

That should be it, since they are limited only to the material world. I mean they can't go beyond what their own eyes can see.

ujiriukiri:
The idea isn't to turn people into atheist. It is to make people think for themselves and not accept everything anyone who claims to be a "man of god" says. If it turns them to atheism, well its their choice, but at least they've done the seemingly hard thing of rational thinking and now know the truth!

People thought for themselves which led them deciding to become theists or atheists. So what's the difference? All I know is there was a thought.

AND they still think for themselves so as to decide whether to remain in it or not.

People are not robots, they have free will.

It just dawned on me that atheists are not free minded which shouldn't be.

I'm beginning to think atheism is a religion.

naijadeyhia:
Right here is the counter challenge to Seun from an ex Atheist who very much had a similar background with Seun..

I quote" if Seun can prove to him FACE TO FACE he will only believe Seun if he sees it" HIS EXPERIENCES ARE REAL AND STILL HAPPENING...

Seun mbok will you take up this Challenge? You can help restore your lost brother back to Atheism if you can via actual physical tangible proof and not theory.

Please Sir, take it easy on them ooo, do you really want the atheists to create their own private section?

Splinz:
Simple. Those that fought and win souls for 'atheism' are simply called "athelists". We thank bro seun for his great works of ministering to lost souls.

You're funny bro. You literally got me looking up that word.

urheme:
yes i would..... if you can demonstrate it...face to face with me. i will only believe you if i see.

my experiences are real and it is still happening.

1cor 4 vs 20
the kingdom of God is not by words of mouth but a demonstration of power.

Wonderful!

naijadeyhia:
Atheigelists. lmao

Seun:
In other words, you didn't believe in God because you never felt anything supernatural? What supernatural experiences did you experience at Dunamis that changed your mind? Would you become an atheist if we could demonstrate that your experiences were purely psychological?

Heiiiiiiiiii! Oga Seun.

Those who win souls for Christ are mainly called 'evangelists'. Please What do they call those that lure people into atheism?

omonnakoda:
He is a fake prophet. My predictions always come true would you like to hear my predictions for 2017 involving characters like Afam4eva,Mynd44,Igboid and others?

Yes please, I'm all eyes

It's amazing how there are thousands of posts and topics meant just to defend a prophet all over the media.

I wonder if Jesus can ever be defended that way. Anyway, God can defend Himself. He doesn't need the help of anyone.

That's by the way


What matters most is, Does God know you?

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Matthew 7:23

God knows those who do His will.

You believe man of God.

See, I think it's high time we leave it to God to defend His man, if he really is His man.




What matters most is, Does God know you?

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Matthew 7:23

God knows those who do His will.

I think Trump is nicer than we think.

What matters most is, Does God know you?

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Matthew 7:23

God knows those who do His will.

Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?
Matthew 6:26

skeendyke:
I saw it but turns out I am unable to successfully update my email address on my profile page which is why I sent a pm to you.

Here is what I will do. I shall write a mail address right now through which you may reach me but it is not my main address. I shall disclose that privately to you after I must have received your mail.


Let me know if you have seen this so that I can wipe it off before email hunters arrive.

You may now wipe it off. Thanks for the sacrifice

Modified : that was funny. Mission accomplished.

skeendyke:
I sent it sometime ago. Hope you got it.

I haven't gotten it. I tried sending you a pm again, don't know if you got it too.

What matters most is, Does God know you?

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Matthew 7:23

God knows those who do His will.

skeendyke:
Sorry for the late reply, Bennyann. Just logged in today and saw your post. Here are my thoughts concerning ElsonMorali's comments.



Wrong. The body and the spirit cannot be distinguished on the basis of structural makeup because they share the same characteristics, shape and function. It is exactly like looking in a mirror. The image that stares back at you is the spirit or say your body having the same appearance as your spirit. They are opposites because one resides in the other but still the same personality, able to see, feel, touch, speak, hear. Classifying their relationship on the basis of structural makeup - matter - is unsuitable reference as that would imply that the existence of man's spirit can be determined through scientific means, therefore the onus would be on you to prove their existence before going on to prove their structural makeup or lack of it.



Here lies another blunder from you. The argument for or against the classification of opposites, especially as it relates to man, has nothing to do with co-existence. You are only speaking from the physical point of view without considering other factors. For example, if man is made of matter and the spirit is not, then why does the Bible say, in the parable of the rich man, that the rich man being in TORMENT looked up to heaven and saw father Abraham with Lazarus? By your argument, only matter can feel and touch. The rich man and Lazarus were already dead in this illustration. Why then did they still possess the physical characteristics of matter such as feeling or the sense of touch? We would expect something that is not made of substance to be immune from external sources of pain or joy.



Not only is this paragraph wholly wrong but the bolded also makes me think you are not familiar with your subject of discussion. In fact, you don't possess even an average knowledge of the concept of the human spirit. Not intended as insult and should you take it to mean one then I apologize in advance. Just stating the obvious as is.

@Bennyann, couldn't check my mail as I have forgotten the recovery email address required in the verification process in order to be granted access to my account. Reason is I have never used that address in years. I have changed my email addy here in case you wish to re-send, if not, then another time.

Thank you so much skeendyke.
Can you please send me a pm?

Make PMB catch you.

Thank God you said 'predicted'

Na lie jor. PMB is scared of no one.

Let's just say it's a season of new parties taking over.

So, like naija like the states