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Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 5:58pm On Aug 22, 2011
@ otheloze

is jesus the son of God or Jehova himself in Human form
Jesus is the son of God just like you too are a son of God. the difference between Jesus and you is that of awareness. Jesus was able to recognize his sonship and He did his best to tell others that they are children of God too. so it is left for you to realize your sonship with God too.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 10:46am On Aug 18, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

A Co-worker with God is someone who has learned self-discipline in spiritual things.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 11:21pm On Aug 17, 2011
The Law of Change:

conditions in the worlds of time and space will always change at some point; there is no stability here.

This is a world of change. In fact, even this universe plus so many heavens that lie above this physical one are in a constant swirl of change. Change is the unchanging law for the worlds of change.


Harold Klemp
The spiritual Laws of Life
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 2:57pm On Aug 16, 2011
@ otheloze
oduduwa by the yorubas, chukwu by the igbos and abasi by the efik are simply other names for the supreme God. They are as a result of the ancient people trying to make sense of the omnicient and omnipotent one. On the other hand gods like sango, god of thunder and other gods that are in charge of rain, sun, wind , crops etc. are actually beings known as elementals whom the supreme God has put in charge of those areas. They are not gods to be worshiped. It was due to ignorance that they were elevated to that status.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 7:21am On Aug 15, 2011
The law of Causation:
The wheel of life, which is a factor in the human and spiritual cycles of lives.

The Eck power is the intelligence which pervades all space and animates all living things; this mental action and reaction is the Law of Causation.

Harold Klemp
The Spiritual Laws Of Life
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 4:50pm On Aug 14, 2011
We begin to have experiences with the light and sound of God, and thus we develop a greater understanding of the spiritual laws of life. Knowing these laws, we can then make our own life easier.

Harold Klemp,
The Dream Master
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 10:53am On Aug 13, 2011
A seed for contemplation
You cannot comprehend more than your experience in life has given you the capacity to understand. Therefore, you must recognize that while your understanding of God is sacred, so also is your neighbor's.

Harold Klemp
The Awakened Heart
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 4:01pm On Aug 12, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

A gift of true love is always God’s love to you that you give to another.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 4:04pm On Aug 09, 2011
@ ezeudoh

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first nobody can be possessed unless the person opens his/her inner bodies for such possession by indulging most times in psychic practices and/or taking hard drugs,


Eckankar are they against psychic practices,, please explain thanks peace profound
Eckankar is against psychic practices. because someone who practices it is opening him/herself to negative forces which can take over the person and start controlling such a person. moreover there is a great price to pay for indulging in psychic practices so it is better left alone.
Eckankar has only one purpose which is to show those souls who are ready how to find their way back to their true home. all those psychic practices are detours on the road to God which can trap a soul and keep it from its journey for eons of time.

can you help me with a soft copy of the book titled " the language of the soul written by Harold Klemp" thanks
for now the only Eck book that are in a soft copy are the introductory books like " is life a random walk?" and "Eckankar , ancient wisdom for today". and also the Spiritual Wisdom Journal which you can download free from Eckankar website www.eckankar.org.

other Eck books are in hard copy which you can buy online from the website www.eckbooks.org.

remain blessed
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 9:02pm On Aug 08, 2011
@ chieveboy

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This is very awesome revelation "satan a co worker with God"
Now all the Demons who possess people and so fort are they part of it as well?
awesome indeed. grin grin grin but the truth all the same. just imagine God who is the supreme  being and then having a being that It created running around its kingdom totally out of control and causing chaos without God's permission. it is simply not possible. God is in total control and everything that is happening in the world is according to its laws and will.

on the aspect of spirits that possess people that is another wide area on its own but i will give a little explanation. first nobody can be possessed unless the person opens his/her inner bodies for such possession by indulging most times in psychic practices and/or taking hard drugs.

these spirits that possess people are mostly earth bound souls that are bound down by the bad habits they indulged in during the time they were alive physically. they move around looking for someone who has opened himself up in order to invade the person's body and use it to continue enjoying the vices he used to indulge in.

these lost souls are actually students like us who have failed their exams  at that level under the school in which the devil is the headmaster. for them the process of recovering their true identity is a long and painful one and as such one need to have compassion for such souls and pray not to fall into their shoes.

About how the holy Spirit answer questions: l was watching soccer on tv; there was a surge and electricity was cut-off. we went to bed l  and my friend. l was so worried; so later at night it was like a woke up and clearly looked at the room; then l asked my friend what was the score amd he told me! in the morning he too was asking of the scores which l thought he knew. l asked whether l actually did asked him about the results of the game but he said no--as though to make it more juicy for me, there was still no electricity as we spoke with him! Smiley @otheloze and ezeugo, just go on ahead and 'do' it begining to work for me Smiley

Now it is mostly when am agitated that l get these expriences! any problem? thanks for your responces and question @ all of you!!
i am very happy for you that you have started experiencing it for yourself. these experiences will come to you when you are open to them and when you are ready for them. so there is no problem at all. spiritual growth is a very gradual process and there is no rush and it is for all souls. it does not matter your religion or your race. all that matters is your love for God and your love for life.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 5:52pm On Aug 08, 2011
@ ezeudoh

this is the reason why you need to learn how to travel to this other planes and see things for yourself, then you will understand exactly how the worlds operate.

i have been going through your points thanks a lot for the light thanks
how can one actually travel to just places.
the spiritual journey starts at the point behind the two eyebrows when you close your eyes.
that is the location of the spiritual eye or the window of heaven or the narrow gate which few ever find.
you close your eyes, fill your heart with love by remembering all the things in your life that made you happy. then you sing a holy name of God for example you can try singing the HU which is a holy name of God that does not belong to any language or to any religion. sing it for 15 to 30 minutes then go into quiet contemplation while keeping your attention on the spiritual eye. watch what happens.

do this exercise in the night before sleeping and in the morning after waking up. regular practice of this exercise will gradually open your spiritual eyes and you will then easily enter the inner worlds to explore and come back with your experiences intact.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 10:42am On Aug 08, 2011
@ otheloze

Thanks for your message, u answered a big question that have troubled me over the years but never asked any of my pastors not to be themed an anti Christ, i would plead with you to provide further proof on this revelation.
the only proof that will make sense to you is the proof that the Holy Spirit gives to you. The holy spirit is the repository of all truth and all revelations and all the masters you come across are only channels for the holy spirit.

so if you want proof all you have to do is ask the holy spirit and watch your inner experiences. you can tune in to the holy spirit by singing the holy names of God or some spiritually charged words as a love song in the night before you go to sleep and in the morning when you wake up. HU is one such name you can try.

being a christian you can sing the name of your master Jesus  or christ In a long drawn out way. for 15 to 30 minutes. after that exercise make your request to the holy spirit that you want proof of the role of the devil in the life of souls and then watch your inner experiences. your experience becomes your authority and no one can take it from you. and of course do not expect any one who has not had the same revelation as you to believe you.

can u draw a clear cut difference between Christianity and Eckankar as regards believe , Jesus Christ, hell and heaven and salvation, and u always reffer to the bible, do u accept every word of it as the ultimate truth or you only use it when it concurs with your belief
okay lets start with believe. in eckankar we do not just believe. we take it a step further to knowingness and then beingness. in Eckankar you are advised not to just believe anything you read in a book or anything you are told by the master. you have to go within to ask the holy spirit to prove that it is reality and then after that you make effort to bringing that truth into expression by becoming it. so if there is any truth that i have not proved for myself i will not even talk about it because i will be like an empty drum making noise and repeating what someone else experienced.

Jesus Christ: Jesus is a soul like you and me, who became awakened after many lifetimes of spiritual experiences and accepted the role of being The Christ. as The Christ he was able to teach some golden truth to the vastly ignorant people of that age and most importantly He pointed out the importance of the Holy spirit which he said will lead one to all truth. unfortunately what you have as Christianity today is filled more with social issues that true spirituality. and only those who can reach into the inner worlds where the Christ is still operating can really verify for themselves what is the truth and what is illusion.

hell and heaven:  hell and heaven are actually states of consciousness. really they are not physical places. hell is a state of consciousness that exists when there is no love in the heart of the person leading to sorrow, unhappiness, fear and all negativities. heaven is a state of pure, divine love, happiness etc. to explain further, if you are in a very beautiful palace but in that palace there is no love and the king of that palace is always threatening to kill the people there instilling fear. you will be in a beautiful place but you will not feel that it is heavenly because there is so much fear and no love.

you will be surprised to find areas of pure terror when you explore the first heaven or actually the second plane which is the immediate plane most people go to when they die on earth. but really you will expect that a place called a heaven will only have places where people are happy. so when people die they gravitate to the area in the next plane that corresponds to their vibration. if they are evil people they will find themselves in the midst of evil people in the first heaven where of course they will continue their evil trend there until time comes for them to reincarnate and start all over again. so you may see such places in the second plane as Hell. and when you see the beautiful places with good vibrations where good people gravitate to in the first heaven you may see that place as heaven.

this is the reason why you need to learn how to travel to this other planes and see things for yourself, then you will understand exactly how the worlds operate.

salvation:  in Eckankar the question of salvation does not even arise because soul does not need to be saved. soul only needs to awaken to its true identity. once it does that all the shackles that are holding it down will be shaken off because it will see them for what they really are, only illusions. soul only needs to bask in the presence of the Holy spirit to realize it true essence and that is what the spiritual exercises does.

it is not a days affair and it is something that has taken lifetimes to come to this point in time. the process of purification takes time to purge away the dross that surrounds soul and allow its inner light to shine.
this explains the reason why someone who accepts Jesus as his personal lord and saviour  will still continue finding himself committing sins and he wonders why. it is simply because it is not a matter of words. it is not just by saying you believe then all old things passes away. no. you will have to go through an inner purification where the Holy spirit washes you in and out and you will find yourself naturally and without effort being able to love your neighbour because it has become your inner nature.

this of course takes time. many i have met especially Christians often wonder how i am able to live the kind of life i live effortlessly giving love to all that comes my way and yet i am not a christian. i simply laugh it off because of what i know. experiencing the Holy spirit on a daily basis through the spiritual exercises of singing the holy names of God is one sure way i have proven to myself of becoming a lover of life and a channel for the Holy Spirit.

The Bible:  the Holy Bible like any other Holy book contains people's experiences with God in various ways. so of course it contains some truth but not all the truth because you can not capture the pure essence of God in a book. the pure truth is within you. you have to learn how to go within to experience God. you will find that after the experience you will find it very difficult to put it into words the best you can come up with will be allegories, metaphors and similes. which of course is far from the real thing. that is why in the bible you find Jesus always speaking in parables. so the holy books are a guide. they are not the destination.

most of the time i quote the bible because i have studied it intimately and knowing that you are a christian, it becomes a good reference point for you. so truth is not limited in any way in that it can come to you from any angle. you can even learn truth from the words of a child or from the actions of animals. we are the ones who put limitations to truth.

will be glad to offer further insights if you have more questions.
thanks
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 7:58pm On Aug 07, 2011
@ otheloze

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His role is to make sure that no soul that is still impure or immature crosses over to the pure spiritual planes or heavens. and the reason for the duality of course is because one can not understand light without experiencing darkness and one can not understand love without experiencing hatred.


From the above i am tempted to conclude that Devil is a co-worker of God since darkness is needed to understand light.

So please clearly state the idea or role of Satan on the road to maturity
you got it spot on. The so called devil or satan is actually working for God. He is not fighting God at all.
all the lower universes was created as a school for soul and satan is in charge as the Head master. that is why in the bible the devil has to come and tempt Jesus to make sure he has reached spiritual maturity before he could start his mission.

he was simply doing his job as assigned to him by God. if you read the book of Job in the bible you will still see the same thing. he moves up and down the earth looking for souls that say they love God and to ensure that they really practice what they preach.

so in Eck we do not fight the devil or curse him but rather we are alert to the lessons that he brings through temptations. this helps to keep soul on its feet on its journey back to God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 9:43am On Aug 07, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation
Earth is a classroom that brings about
the spiritual maturity of Soul. When Its
education is completed, It must decide
for Itself what belongs to the realm of
timeless truth and what is merely a
subterfuge—a shadow of truth.
—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 1:10pm On Aug 06, 2011
@ chieveboy,
About the various laws of life--that was my
way of asking you about them; but in your
convenient time. Judging by how life seems
so complicated; vast and endless--in
surprises, l bet the laws ought to be endless
as well! so it might be a lenghty
explanation to do!
just as you have rightly deduced, it is a lenghty topic. There is a book on it written by Harold Klemp which you can get online from the website www.eckbooks.org. The title of the book is the spiritual laws of life. This book will give you a headstart if you can get it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 7:39am On Aug 06, 2011
@ chieveboy

ln order to learn from you--inultimately! as you may want it--l assume the place of someone going to the stream with an empty jar! l know alot of things are not done the way they are supposed to! so for me, no offence at all. you dont need to say sorry, so, sorry to someone else! thanks alot
you know that some people are not ready for some levels of truth and can react violently if told what they are not ready to hear, so i have to apologize in advance for those whom that statement may offend. since you are not one of them it is quite a relief.

ln time l wish to know about this laws of life which you introduced--love economy, interferance cause and effect etc.
no problem at all. these spiritual laws govern our lives and ignorance of them is no excuse at all whereas if you know them and work with them you will have more harmony in your life.

l didnt remember to tell you about this insight l got! you mentioned the word 'levitation' in one of your explanations the day before yesteday, l got wondering what it means as l hadn't came accross it before, l slept curious that day --not sure if l did my exercise, plus l didnt wanted to ask you again-- and in a dream or whatever it is, l saw a green plastic plate suspended in the air(may be l did it or maybe not)! in the morning it made more sense after some 'googling' Smiley
that is a very good one. you have started experiencing how the Holy spirit teaches souls through the dream state. you discovered that it made more sense to you than any more explanation i would have given.

In my dreams l do stuffs l can call levitation; l cross electric poles; building sand sometimes mountings, but  with quite some effort. this can't be soul travel but levitation--could it be so?
those are teething lessons in soul travel. that is why it is taking quite some effort on your part. also do not miss the symbolism that is involved in those objects you are trying to cross. go into contemplation after each experience to get the deeper meaning.

l'm supposed to be light in soul travel and fly effortlessly--but in this case there were limits, but then levitation here has got to do with physical objects or could it still hold true even if out of the body or with etheric and other bodies--levitation?
usually before you go through an experience in the outer you are prepared in the inner worlds. that is why you see yourself being shown what levitation is in the inner. if the experience in necessary for your spiritual growth the Holy spirit can give you an outer experience of physical levitation. In Eck most of these experiences come to us out of the volition of the Holy spirit to teach us certain things and after learning we drop it and continue on our journey back to God.
Jobs/Vacancies › Re: Vacancy In Nnamdi Azikiwe Teaching Hospital by benodic(op): 8:47pm On Aug 05, 2011
i was told by a friend that they advertised but there were no details. So i am appealing to any body who have more info to help us out.
Jobs/Vacancies › Vacancy In Nnamdi Azikiwe Teaching Hospital by benodic(op): 8:40pm On Aug 05, 2011
pls if there is any one in nairaland that has more info about the vacancy in nnamdi azikiwe teaching hospital, nnewi, pls kindly share with us.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 12:50pm On Aug 05, 2011
@ chieveboy

i really do not want to hurt any one feelings that is why i left the explanation at that level. I am sorry to tell you that what is being practised in most churches today is far from what speaking in tongue is all about.

One of the spiritual laws of life is the law of economy. The holy spirit does not involve itself in frivolities and noise. Whatever action it partakes in is focused for a particular effect which is for the upliftment of soul.
Like i explained  earlier the gift of speaking in tongues is given to a soul who is a channel for  God so  that the soul would be able to communicate with anybody without any language barriers.
It is not something that you force. When you receive the gift, it will come very naturally without effort.

What you see being practised today is a farce. You can still pray and ask the holy spirit for more insight.

Thanks.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 11:14am On Aug 05, 2011
@ chieveboy

, about 'discipline on spiritual matters' (sorry still not able to insert quotes on mobile) can you please explain what it means and entails.
spiritual discipline entails first, being very serious with your daily commitments with God. if you have set aside a time for doing your contemplations or spiritual exercises, you make sure you keep it.
secondly spiritual discipline involves keeping your thoughts, emotion, words and action focused on Godly things. you do not allow any negativity to penetrate your inner being.
thirdly spiritual discipline involves keeping the various laws of life and not breaking any of them. example you have the law of non-interference, where you do not interfere in another person's life, you give people their freedom to live their life the way they want to live it, failure to keep this law will create unnecessary hardships for you. you also have, the law of cause and effect , the law of love etc.

secondly, what is the place of the spoken word in spirituality? also the place of Tongues as in christianity? l'll like to get a hint of their impact on an individual. whether speaking in tongues is another attribute of soul.
the spoken word is a very potent factor of course in spirituality because it was through the sound that everything came into existence. when you speak you initiate the process of manifestation in the physical plane. that is why one has to be careful of his/her words. words can create or destroy and the speaker will take full responsibility for whatever his/her words causes.

in terms of speaking in tongue, it is also a sign of soul's awakening. it is one of the gifts of the holy spirit. spirit can speak all languages and when the Holy spirit is using someone as a channel it does matter whether the person can speak the language of another person he is sent to bring the message to.
the gift of speaking in tongues takes care of language barriers. that is why in the bible when the apostles received the Holy spirit they started speaking in tongues and everybody that was gathered heard the message in their own native language even though most of the apostles were unlearned people.
so this gift is strictly under the purview of the Holy Spirit and it is initiated when it is necessary in the spiritual growth of a soul. that means it is not every body that will speak in tongues just as it is not every body that can have the gift of Healing. you will get the gift that is more natural to your nature and that will not inhibit your spiritual growth but rather enhance it.

Emotions! how do they influence phenomina?
emotions are the bridge between the world of thought and the physical world. it is actually the fuel for manifestation. that is why you see that anything done with a lot of passion literally shines with a glow that all appreciates. but anything that is not done with passion is usually very dull and no one appreciates it. without emotions masterpieces can not be produced.

also intimacy emotions(as in physical or mental), what are A couple or individual really doing/sharing apart from the physical sensual effects ie spiritually or both if neccessary!  whats it advantage and disadvantage?
when two individuals come together out of attraction to each other, it is usually due to past karmic effects that brings it about. we have all been with each other before and this is not the first time we are meeting. that is why you have such phenomenon as love at first sight and that is why you find yourself strongly attracted to someone and you wonder why? the problem is that as we come into the physical plane, a curtain is drawn across our memories and we do not remember anymore until something triggers the memory.
when the individual comes together and become intimate with each other, a union takes place and they become one, spiritually. what that means is that their karmic load is brought together shaken up and then shared equally between two of them so bringing them to the same spiritual vibration so that they can be in harmony with each other. so true marriage is when you have physical sex with someone else and not when you exchange vows. the implication of this is if you are not sincere in your relationships with the opposite sex and continue having multiple sexual relationships
you will end up earning for your self a very large karmic load which can take lifetimes to work off.   
the advantage is if you have a sincere relationship with a woman that is spiritually inclined it can help to boost you spiritually. unfortunately such women are hard to find in today's world as most women today have become so materialistically minded. but they are available all the same and if you are sincere and ask the holy spirit you can be guided to the right woman for you.

i hope this helps. i will still be glad to share further insights with you

thank you
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 10:26am On Aug 04, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation
When you get out of the habit of
listening, the voice of Divine Spirit
becomes weaker and weaker. Not
because It is speaking in a quieter
voice, but because you have turned
down the volume control on the inner
instrument of Soul.
—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 7:50pm On Aug 03, 2011
@ chieveboy
l got questions pls. (, having problem quoting) , 'phsychic powers' , what do they mean and really comprise of?
psychic powers are actually the inner traits of soul that open up as soul starts opening its awareness to the psychic worlds. the psychic worlds comprise of the lower heavens.
as souls starts growing in consciousness it first passes through the psychic worlds before entering into the pure heavenly worlds. the psychic nature of man confers such abilities like extrasensory perception, telekinesis, levitation etc. these abilities in itself is not so bad unless the person misuses them by interfering in people's lives for example.

also 'vibration' , could you shed light on it ? and l hope 'life force' in this term is the holy spirit--the Eck?
of course the life force is the Eck, the Holy Spirit. everything in existence is vibrating.
the difference between one level and another level is due to the frequency of the vibration. in creation, the physical universe where the earth is located has the lowest rate of vibration. the higher you go the higher the rate of vibration.

that is why you can not perceive spiritual beings with your physical eyes because of their higher rate of vibration. in order for you to perceive the spiritual worlds you have to raise your own level of vibration. this you can do by singing the holy names of God or polarizing your thoughts on spiritual matters.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 8:58pm On Aug 02, 2011
@ chieveboy

Good day benodic.  there was this comment you made about thoughts; that they are real, and could happen to someone if one concentrated.
l have been thinking about this statement for a while; and encountered some writings that allude to your statement--about reality of thoughts.

My question is why has it got to be so?, can't some one just fantasize abstractly, and just, waive it aside just to relax?, l do this quite alot, can't say
for sure those things l thought/fantasized about happened :/
it has to do with the make up of creation. you have to understand how the inner worlds or the various planes relate to each other.
we as soul are existing in the various planes of God at the same time that we are here on earth.

in order to manifest anything physically it starts as a thought which soul generates on the mental plane. as you are fantasizing, someone who is operating on the mental plane can clearly see what you are forming. what ever thought you think takes form in the mental plane and from there moves down to the causal plane which houses it as a memory. if you now put strong feelings into your thought it will gravitate to the astral plane and from there to the physical where it solidifies with action. this is the law if manifestation. it was put there by God to govern the lower planes where souls were sent down to learn their lessons in life.

if you follow my explanation closely you will find out that not all the forms created in the mental plane by thoughts will make it to the physical plane but immediately you are thinking them they are coming to life in the mental plane and taking form there. so not all your fantasies will become physical reality unless you put a lot of feelings into it.

Eckankar teaches thoughts are real, thereby there is contemplation! well, in my case l'm the one talking to my self: ever got any problem solved in those time of fantasizing?, well no :/. or perhaps my question should have to be: what is the a-z of this Thoughts Reality?  what is the logic? how do you know what you doing (sic) thinking is contemplation and its the real, deep one?
contemplation is an active process of you as soul using your creative faculties which includes your imagination to look into whatever problem or issue you want to know more about.
in contemplation you step out of yourself and become objective and look at the issue with a 360 degree view point through various angles. if you practice it regularly a time will come when you will start having insights that will just hit you which you will definitely know did not come from your mind because that idea or insight will be totally fresh.
also a time will come when you will easily slip out of the body consciousness and rise into a higher consciousness from which you can see objectively whatever solution it is you are looking for. it takes practice and patience.

For someone who hadn't any prior view of any spiritual world or maybe remembrance of it, don't you think they will only be bringing up there own thought into play and view it as spiritual,  l for example do want to contemplate about some heaven; but keep seeing visuals of it like l saw in some movie, you see!
in your first inner journeys into the inner worlds you will be surprised at what you see. because of a lot of misconception about what the heavens are like. the old adage as above so below comes into play.
what we do not realize is that most of the things we imagine are things that are existing in the inner worlds. so you will surprised if you go to the astral plane and see houses just like on earth, cars just like on earth and people wearing the same clothes used on earth. the only difference is in the rate of vibration which of course is higher in the astral plane than on earth.

Finally, after you might have done the explanations to these questions, can you please explain how to consciously do it so it will work, magicians in my little understanding use this method,  but they undoubtedly use some  rituals or spiritual powers to cause Thoughts to happen. ordinarily is that possible?, seems so from that statement you made!
of course you can manifest any thing that you think about. but the catch is " be careful of what you wish for, for you may just have it." what i mean is that the issue is not manifesting any thing but the issue is that you have to take total responsibility for everything you manifest. you can not run away from taking that responsibility.

that is why for us Eckist we leave everything to the Holyspirit to manifest its goodness through us. and of course the Holyspirit can only manifest what will be for our own spiritual good.
so the bottom line is do your own home work but surrender and ask for guidance.
but if on the other hand you use psychic powers and force things to manifest, then of course there is a price to pay which you may not find funny at all.


okay; l said finally, now:Additionally! l have kept this one on the low for some time now; l know your advice will be in "do not to delve into" format--not to worry' that I've been doing but am Sagittarius! spiritual thinks fascinate me a lot! so am fascinated by Magic :} what is its origin, as in: God or Satan, which spiritual plane? what is Eckankar's idea about it?
according to wikipedia "Magic is the claimed art of manipulating aspects of reality either by supernatural means or through knowledge of occult laws unknown to science."
and in my own understanding magic is the manipulation of natural forces to produce phenomenon. the emphasis there is on manipulation.
The creative force or life force flows from the heart of God, it then splits into 2 streams as it reaches the lower planes from the pure spiritual planes.the 2 streams are the positive stream and and the negative stream. those who practice the psychic arts and magic make use of the negative stream of the life force which is destructive in nature. the positive stream is creative and uplifting.

when man starts manipulating the life force for his own selfish purpose it creates a lot of karmic problem for the practitioner. we are not meant to control the life force rather we are to allow the life force to flow through us to touch all other life forms bringing love and growth to them. that is why an Eckist can not practice magic. ours is a life of total surrender to the Holy spirit to use us as channels for the love of God to flow to all life.
always remember what Jesus Christ said in the Holy Bible, "seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you"

thanks and remain blessed
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 9:11pm On Aug 01, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

A Co-worker with God is someone who has learned self-discipline in spiritual things.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Food › Re: Calabar Food Is Overhyped! by benodic: 11:17pm On Jul 31, 2011
i just stumbled across this thread and got the shock of my life. to me it is total blasphemy to cast aspersions on calabar culinary skills.

the only reason why i am still enjoying my stay in the north is that i was able to discover a joint ran by a calabar woman who cooks up a storm with dishes varying from afang soup, Edi-kang ikong, vegetable soup with all the swallows available ranging from fufu, gari, wheat, semo etc. a gourmet's delight.

please stop this nonsense once and for all before i lose my cool angry angry
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 10:20pm On Jul 31, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

Our freedom stops where someone else’s starts. This line is called responsibility.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 7:44am On Jul 30, 2011
A seed for contemplation

most people on earth are returnees. They've been here before and they'll return another time. The term for this recycling of lifetimes is the wheel of reincarnation. Karma, people's action and reaction in life, is its motor. The cycle goes on lifetime after lifetime.

Harold klemp
Past Lives, Dreams and Soul Travel
p. 138
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding Religion by benodic: 11:59am On Jul 28, 2011
@ jagunlabi

Separating God from religion is the next step up in the spiritual evolution of man.
nice one jagunlabi
this makes a wonderful food for thought.

for me an organized outer religion is where i go to meet people that i share the same ideals and same outlook in life with. a place where i can discuss matters about God that is closest to my heart without any one shouting "blasphemy!"

when it really comes to God. to me it has always been very personal. i learnt a little bit about God as i passed through the teachings of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, African traditional religion etc.

i then discovered that each is simply giving its own perspective on God viz-a-viz the story of the 6 blind men who tried to describe the elephant. none of this perspective is perfect on its own. all are just trying to fill in parts of the jig saw puzzle that is God.

each religion also wets one appetite to go on his journey to experience God and add to the growing knowledge about God. so there is no need for Religion to be a do or die affair or to be an end in itself rather it should be a way pointer and the rest should be left to God and soul to discover each other.

this is my humble submission.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 11:06am On Jul 28, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

Sometimes you are called upon by the Holy Spirit to go out of your way to help another person toward the enlightenment of God.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 11:34am On Jul 27, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

No two people are alike. Each has an agreement with life that is unlike any other. Learn love, patience, and grace, because they are the way to find harmony.

Finding peace is a big part of your spiritual life.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 5:41pm On Jul 26, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

Divine Spirit opens up new opportunities, but we must take them. We must make our own choices with the best information at hand.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic(op): 9:23am On Jul 25, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

The Holy Spirit works in subtle ways, but you have to remember to ask. Most people can’t hear. You learn how to listen and how to see the messages from the Holy Spirit that come to you—and everyone—every day.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

to download free introductory books on Eckankar please go to the following link

https://www.eckankar.org/FreeBook/index.html

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