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"Do not partake of the evil of another. if you are quiet and calm, your calmness and quietness will make a greater effect on the other than his anger- so that true resistance is the practice of contentment."

Paul Twitchell
Stranger by the River

@ congoshine (m)

Quote from: benodic on Yesterday at 08:54:09 AM
@ congoshine (m)


apology duly accepted. no hard feelings.

it may be strange for you but for me it is crystal clear. The problem is that we all have short memories so we do not remember the causes we set in motion that is bringing the full effects that we are witnessing in life today.

life is governed by the law of cause and effect. there is no victim and there is no injustice in the universes of God.

jazzman,say huuuu

you are really very funny.

A seed for contemplation

"So simple is life that man overlooks the truth of truths. The true disciple of God is he who has God. He who is a simple man. If you have God thus, it is true that you have a simple nature. Praise God , and love thy fellowman. Do all things in the name of the SUGMAD (God), without expecting rewards."

Paul Twitchell
Stranger by the River

@ congoshine (m)

Quote from: benodic on Yesterday at 04:51:33 PM
@ congoshine (m)

   
actually yes. this is from the soul point of view. the souls that are in japan actually choose to reincarnate in japan and to go through the experiences that comes with that choice. they could have chosen to reincarnate elsewhere.

still yes. every thing in  life is governed by cause and effect. if you do not put the cause in motion through the choices you made then you will not get the effect that you are enjoying now. the causes i am talking about did not start only in this life time. it started many lifetimes ago.

the fact that you do not understand another person's viewpoint or opinion should not make you to abuse them.
it is really not necessary. what you do not know now or understand now, you may come to understand it later. what will you call me then? a coconut head? Grin Grin Grin e.g Galileo and the catholic church Grin Grin

thanks all the same and remain blessed.

Ok sorry for the insults,but its rather strange.

apology duly accepted. no hard feelings.

it may be strange for you but for me it is crystal clear. The problem is that we all have short memories so we do not remember the causes we set in motion that is bringing the full effects that we are witnessing in life today.

life is governed by the law of cause and effect. there is no victim and there is no injustice in the universes of God.

@poster

whatever you throw into your life is what returns to you. if you pray for your enemy to die the energy you send out goes full circle and comes back to you at the end of the circle.
better you fill yourself with love and send love to all life the way God loves all life without any discrimination.

@ congoshine (m)

Quote from: benodic on Yesterday at 09:40:07 AM
@ poster
i will rephrase the question like this: what are the things that good people do that allow bad things to happen to them?
God has nothing to do with what happens to us. what happens to us are the results of the choices we make in life. what goes around comes around.
those people you may see as good people may actually have skeletons in their closet which you are not aware of.
be good inside and outside and good things will follow you.

So the Japanese asked to be born Japanese,and when the tsunami hit their country. .     ,  . . . . . ,  . was their fault ?  Undecided

actually yes. this is from the soul point of view. the souls that are in japan actually choose to reincarnate in japan and to go through the experiences that comes with that choice. they could have chosen to reincarnate elsewhere.

You at home sleeping je je,armed robbers come in shoot you & its your fault you took up rent in Lagos ?  Huh Huh

still yes. every thing in  life is governed by cause and effect. if you do not put the cause in motion through the choices you made then you will not get the effect that you are enjoying now. the causes i am talking about did not start only in this life time. it started many lifetimes ago.

Stop using cannabis my friend,try something else.  Angry

the fact that you do not understand another person's viewpoint or opinion should not make you to abuse them.
it is really not necessary. what you do not know now or understand now, you may come to understand it later. what will you call me then? a coconut head? e.g Galileo and the catholic church

thanks all the same and remain blessed.

" Thou art the seeker, but there are others too, countless millions, walking before thee, behind thee, or beside thee. The answer is God - and God lies within as Jesus said that day upon the mountainside, 'The Kingdom of God is within you!' "

Paul Twitchell
Stranger by the River

A Seed for Contemplation

The tests that are easy for us are difficult for others. This is the nature of life. And it means that we, as human beings, must learn patience and compassion. The wheel always turns.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

@ poster

i will rephrase the question like this: what are the things that good people do that allow bad things to happen to them?

God has nothing to do with what happens to us. what happens to us are the results of the choices we make in life. what goes around comes around.

those people you may see as good people may actually have skeletons in their closet which you are not aware of.
be good inside and outside and good things will follow you.

@ lagerwhenindoubt (m)

Ain't life a bugger! Angry work hard to achieve something and when it is my turn to get rich, what happens? the world decides to END!!

25/05/11 it is a Tuesday. So if I party all night Friday, I can Repent Saturday and sell all my shares to charity (GTB no more loan repayments Yippiee! Grin) , Go to Church Sunday, Work Acts or Righteousness Monday and go to Heaven on Tuesday. Close, but no Cigars. Grin

very nice indeed. so you finally figured it out. the short cut in christianity. very easy and very cool indeed if that is the way it goes. sin this hour ask for forgiveness the next hour. it does not matter the heinous crimes that the person commits so far as that person remembers to ask for forgiveness. really easy

Mad_Max

You sound so happy with Eckanker. I'm really glad for you. I'll pick up the book that's a compedium of everything Kemp has to say. He'll be taking over from here. Thanks benodic bear. You've been a dear.

thanks to you too my dear. it has really been my heart felt pleasure sharing my little life experiences with you.

i am indeed happy to have found Eckankar as the path showed me how i can assess any knowledge or information i need to make my life and that of others better.

remain forever blessed.

A Seed for Contemplation

Unfoldment is a two-step process. First, knowing the way; second, walking it.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

Prophecy can come through in the dream state, or it can come through what I call the Golden-tongued Wisdom—where something in your daily life suddenly pops forth. It’s as if golden light surrounds it and gives you whatever you need just at that moment.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

When we reach the point in our unfoldment where we are treating others with love instead of fear, anger, or vanity, we’ve made a very important step back home to God.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

@ Cmanforall 

Hi benodic,since our last conversation I started asking 4 the truth everytime I pray.then I had a dream,I was talking to a guy,I couldn't tell his face but we talked like we knew each other.I asked him 2 tell me the truth,he said I have to find out myself,I asked about time,he said its different.during the conversation I felt my spirit pulling out of my body,it was scary so I woke up shouting Jesus.I was disappointed with myself but said may be am getting unnecessary information here.when I saw your post talking about home it was strange because that's what a voice told me after the dream(that am coming home),I asked why does home feel so strange.now I don't know what am afraid of.Is it finding out what I know is not the whole truth or I might not be able to come if I soul travel.

what you are experiencing my friend is what every soul at a point in their journey will come to. the point at which you realize that you are a stranger here and that you came from the heart of God and when your lessons are done you will have to go back.

The problem Soul encounters is the Mind. the mind is where fear is rooted. the mind has been conditioned from birth to believe a set of truth. but when you as soul goes beyond the mind and comes face to face with reality it can be a shattering experience with all the illusions you have about life blown to bits. that is why i keep on saying that you have to be ready to experience the ultimate reality.

you call it soul calling,why doesn't it happen to everybody,you can't say maturity BC yours started when you were a kid & I know lots of good xtians that know nothing about it.

i called it " The Call of Soul".   that is when God calls you and tells you that it is time you start winding up your activities on the lower universes and start finding your way back to God.

it happens to everybody but at different times. the Journey of Souls started millions of life times ago. it is not a journey of one life time. we are all old souls who have been coming and going on the wheel of life. learning the lessons of life to achieve spiritual maturity. at a point when a particular soul is nearing spiritual maturity that soul receives the Call Of Soul.

soul is not the physical body. the maturity i am talking about is the Maturity of Soul and not that of the physical body. so you can have a child who already is a matured soul and is privy to spiritual knowledge that old men can not even fathom.

it is so unfortunate that the christian doctrine discarded the doctrine of Reincarnation and adopted the concept of one life time. that is why many christians will not understand this things i am explaining to you.

through the process of reincarnation soul comes to earth, have experiences and learns some lessons. at death It sheds the physical body and comes back again in another physical body to continue the process of learning. this circle continues until It reaches spiritual maturity.

How was your transition until you found Eckankar.How was your Christian life.

like i said earlier. i had a past life recall experience early in life but kept it to myself? why? because of what i was being taught in the church i was attending. i was a very serious born again christian. i read the bible in and out. i used to read a chapter of the bible every day. from beginning to the end. each day i meditate on what i read. i was seriously seeking for answers.

when i was in my teens i decided to investigate the memories i had as a child, concerning who i was in my immediate past life. i asked my father and my mother and other relatives about the person i was and i got my confirmation that the memories i had where real.
they were not figments of my imagination. that was when i ended my life as a christian. and became a seeker. i went through a number of other religions and other paths seeking answers.

then i came across the Eck teachings and for the first time, all the questions i had about life were answered. and not just that. for the first time i was given the key to go within myself and find out the truth about anything in life. and so my journey in Eckankar started. and after 19 years. i have not regretted my decision one bit to become a member of Eckankar.   

I stopped praying about the truth,I know there's more but may be am not ready.I feel blind & I wish there's a Christian explanation to all this.

my dear, you do not have to give up. continue praying about truth. Truth has levels and does not belong to any religion. all a religion can do is to give you a key to access it for yourself. nobody will do it for you and You will never be given truth that you are not ready for.

The Holy Spirit will take you by the hand step by step like a baby from one level of truth to another at a pace that is very natural and okay for you until you reach spiritual maturity.
remember that Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you. when you are able to step into that kingdom here and now, then you will start having an inkling about what this life we are living in is really all about.  it is not about any religion, it is really all about you "Soul" finding your way back to your father. God.


thanks.

@ poster

God will reach you through any channel you provide for It. it does not matter to God. God can answer your prayer even if you pray through a tree or through a rock. what matters is the sincerity of your heart.

@ vincent_09

@op I find your religion quite interesting. Can you clarify me on the issues of life after death?

at the point of death, the real you which is known as Soul simply drops the physical body and moves into the next plane or heaven according to its level of spiritual development and maturity.

the majority of souls who are still unfolding generally goes to the nearest plane to the physical plane which is known as the astral plane or 1st heaven.

at that plane soul goes to the court of Yama for judgement or a review of its immediate past life. after the review the soul sees for itself whether it has learnt the necessary lessons it needed to learn or whether it has not.

in order to balance unpaid debts that the soul left behind or to learn the lessons it has to learn, the soul will then be required to come back to the physical universe again and take up a physical body again as a baby and start another circle of learning life's lessons and that is what we know as reincarnation.

if you have any other question please do not hesitate to ask.

thanks

A Seed for Contemplation

One of the biggest lessons we can learn in life is to do everything possible to reach an accord with the individual we are having trouble with.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

@ Mad_Max

Cmanforall's experience is interesting. But he's the only one who knows what he saw. He was the only one who saw it. He was not seeking the experience. He was not chanting Hu. He was in church.It would seem he'd grown spiritually to the extent that such experiences are the next natural step for him. But, ben, that's not how it works for you. You have to chant Hu, yes?

the experience that cmanforall had is what we know as the "call of soul". that is when God comes knocking on your consciousness and says "hey it is time for you to come home".

i had some of those experiences before i became an Eckist. in one of those experiences i was around 8 years and i was about to sleep, then i heard a loud sound that was coming in waves like the sound of ocean waves. the sound literally pulled me out of my physical body and i found myself in a place that was so beautiful beyond words and i didn't want to come back. the next thing i knew i was back in my physical body. nobody could explain the experience to me at that time until i came into contact with the Eck teachings.

chanting HU makes it easier for soul to leave the physical body and also removes all fear from soul enabling it to explore the heavenly worlds consciously.

It's a sort of key or trigger that opens a door, irrespective of where you're coming from spiritually. Millions of people have spiritual experiences without seeking them, and without any kind of prop. I would suppose that to be a little different from its opposite, I would suppose different processes to open different doors. Don't you think so? If you think you have the same sort of experiences as those who don't chant Hu, why then do you need 'Hu' when they don't?

those experiences do come randomly to souls who do not even want to have them why? because we are souls and those experiences show our real nature.
like i told you earlier for those who do not bother to develop themselves spiritually by doing spiritual exercises like singing the HU such experiences remain random and uncontrolled.

singing the HU develops your spiritual faculties in a more organized way and expands your awareness to be able to understand the experiences when they occur. the main thing for you to understand is that naturally as soul you are open to those experiences but you may not understand them or control them.

this is where the HU comes in. to enable you become more conscious of these experiences and to understand them when they occur.

thanks

A Seed for Contemplation

When you ask for help, Spirit begins to bring changes that are for your good. Of course, this means you must be extra careful in the choices you make. Before Spirit can make any changes, you must develop a better image of yourself: You are Soul. God’s love is for you.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

People with a high state of consciousness are not frozen into inaction by terror brought about through disasters. They immediately make a plan to turn the negative energy to advantage. At this level of creative imagination, Soul is in a condition of survival. The lesson of the worlds of matter is to develop Soul’s ability to ride the crests of life. This is vairag, detached love.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

@ ROSSIKE

In any case, every one will experience the truth at some point after they've breathed their last as humans, so perhaps that's your lot??

right on the spot. this statement of yours is my favourite. after all the arguments and counter arguments once soul crosses the borders of death to the other side all arguments ceases and souls comes face to face with reality. then you will know what is truth and what is fallacy.

A Seed for Contemplation

Once the Holy Spirit grants us Its blessings, how often do we remember to acknowledge them? Acknowledgment is done through gratitude, which keeps our hearts open to love.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

Harmony in a family is a sacred thing.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

Begin with the love you have. Love gratefully. This love expands your heart into a greater vessel which can hold yet more love.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

The Holy Spirit often works through professional medical people to help us out when we’re in trouble. After all, all healing comes from Divine Spirit, no matter what It chooses as Its instrument.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

No matter how much insight we gain about God, there will always be something that lies beyond the horizon of our understanding. That is simply the nature of truth.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

@ KunleOshob

@benodic
You keep quoting Harold Klemp, even though I know he is your spiritual leader, what is his source and how do you know it is authentic?

the quotes i am posting are from one of Sri Harold Klemp's book, "The language of soul" . there are other books by other Eck Masters i can quote from but it really does not matter. what matters is the message. The source of course is the Holy Spirit.

how do i know it is authentic? that is what the spiritual exercises and contemplation does. it tunes you in to the holy spirit which is the source of all truth. the master tells you not to just take anything at face value. go within and confirm from the holy spirit.

PS: mind you I personally agree with most of your contemplation seeds and believe they conform with christ's teachings, but you are quoting harold klemp as an authority, that is what I am questioning.

Sri Harold Klemp is an authority in everyday spirituality. he has authored over 60 books which are well circulated in  the USA.
there really is no embargo on being an authority in anything all it takes is love in whatever is your pursuit.

there are also books written by Eckists too based on their personal experiences. what we emphasize on is your own experience which should really be your own authority.

A Seed for Contemplation

Those with pure love do all they can to let their mates grow in every way. Detached love means to let others exist without forcing our will upon them. That is spiritual love.

—Harold Klemp

@ poster

i will give you this key to try for yourself. it is God's gift to all souls to find a solution to their own problems. you do not need any body to do it for you.

try singing HU. the love song to God. sing it in a long drawn out way. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. in the night before you go to sleep fill you heart with love. forget about all your problems . take a deep breath and sing it in a long drawn out way on the outward breath. over and over again

do this exercise for about 15 to 20 minutes or when you have a feeling to stop.
also do this exercise when you wake up. watch your dreams. the answers to your problems will be clearly shown to you in your dreams and through other means that will be very clear to you.

if you have any questions i will be very glad to answer it.

thanks

A Seed for Contemplation

When you become as little children, you shall see the kingdom of heaven. You will carry no ideas from the past to hold you, none of the future to frighten you, but just the present, with the assurance that everything you need to know is already at hand—every answer, every solution.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul