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women becoming a pastor while their husband is the G.O has no basis in the bible, but an attempt to build a family dynasty using people's funds unjustly for selfish interest,

1 Corinthians 14:33, 34

33for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church

37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord

1 Timothy 2: 11, 12

…11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12[b]But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet[/b]. 13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.…


the result of not following these verses is what we see now

if you doubt me, wait and see how the court will share the church's properties and assets between husband and wife, and this will be AN EYE OPENER to many who just blindly jump to defend these businesmen,

what 1 corinthians 14:28-32 said about women leadership is now manifested!

Philipmems: just wondering why its always called a THIRD LEG like its used for walking....
There shouldnt be any excuse for cheating on your spouse but I still believe that a woman plays a greater role in keeping her home intact. If you read 1 Peter 3:1 you will understand that even if your husband is an unbeliever and flirts with the things of the world its a woman's duty to conduct herself in good manner so as to correct his ( in your own word frivolous excess to unleash the walkers.... .
Well all of these are accusations and counter accusations the truth will be unveiled soonest and Satan will be put to shame as usual.
Let me ask a question if you cut of a head can the body survive.. Biblically A man in a leader in his home not the head because been the head means the home cannot survive without the man. In eph: 5:23 the bible says the husband is the head of the wife not the home... Meaning he is her pride, her love, her support because she was gotten out from his rib and has his legacy installed in her to Carry on when he is no more. 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 the head of Every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 1 timothy 3:12 let deacons each be the husbands of one wife, managing their children and their own HOUSEHOLDs well na bible talk am oh... Anyway I respect your opinion

bible requirements for bishop/deacons/oveerseers in that same 1 timothy 3:

1 Timothy 3 :1-13;
New King James Version (NKJV)
Qualifications of bishop/oveerseers and deacons

3 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 [b]one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil

but unfortunately all these bible instructions have been swept under-carpet and even redefined and twisted or seen as old and burdensome for modern christians

when David commited sin with urriah's wife, Nathan summoned courage to confront David, who among the christembassy pastor can boldly confront daddy chris? unless the pastor have another means of livelyhood, they will forever remain silent or else...

who can now challenge Daddy G.O chris oyak. of not eligible to lead based on 1 timothy 3:5? when the church is owned as a personal property of pastor and wife pastor chris oyakhilome and pastor Anita, the same with pastor chris okotie who owns a church and decide the affairs even in the face of grievious sin

dia ris God u ooooooo!

Yooguyz: 1. The Holy Spirit wages war with Christians’ sinful human nature. Paul writes, "For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other." (Gal. 5:17) Ask the Lord to help you fight the good fight of faith in overcoming your sinful desires that oppose God’s purposes, plans and priorities.

2. The Holy Spirit helps us equip ourselves with all of the spiritual weapons of war. Paul writes, "Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." (Eph. 6:11,12) Ask the Lord to let the Spirit guide you in strengthening, replenishing, or fortifying any aspect of your spiritual armament so you are not vulnerable in any area.

sorry pastor yooguyz, paul is not saying that you should ask God for help and relax into sin, see what paul says and practice

1 Corinthians 9:27 ► i m going to use 4 good translations


English Standard Version

"But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified".

New American Standard Bible

"but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified".(in your own case yooguyz you became a slave to your body)

King James Bible
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Instead, I discipline my body and bring it under [size=14pt]strict[/size] control, so that after preaching to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

3. The Holy Spirit teaches us the truth that we need to be protected from any false accusations or insinuations. Paul wrote, "Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist." (Eph. 6:14) Truth is essential if we are going to be exposed to all kinds of attacks from the world, the flesh and the devil. Many criticisms will be hurled at forward moving Christians who are engaged in ministries that are advancing the kingdom of God and His righteousness. Ask the Lord to help you let the word of Christ dwell in you richly so that you do not entertain any doubts, fears or insecurities about God’s promises.

4. The Holy Spirit imputes Christ’s righteousness to us and assures us with the righteousness we acquire through His fruits. Paul writes, "With the breastplate of righteousness in place." (Eph. 6:14b) Ask the Lord to help you be more thankful for all aspects of His imputed righteousness and seek to live a more holy life that is evidenced by the Spirit’s fruits

This is what you missed as a pastor, which i believe that whoever impose you over 3000+ church members are guilty of, emphasis on verse 7 of 1 timothy 3,,

1 Timothy 3 :1-13;
New King James Version (NKJV)
Qualifications of bishop/oveerseers and deacons

3 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,[b] but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. [size=14pt]7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil[/size]

Qualifications of Deacons

8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. 11 Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

so i advise you to quit unclean relationship with your fathers assistant pastor, and resign your position, confess and be of good behavior

and moreover find answer to one of your fan question

https://www.nairaland.com/1439402/christians-chatbox/13

Re: The people-of-orientation Christians Chatbox by geovanni[/b]24(m): 6:44pm On Oct 17, 2013

[b]This comment is strictly for @yooguys...ii understand that you are a pastor, pastoring A church of about 3000 members!...Now from your views on the Gay attitude, ii can easily deduce that you have some gay tendencies that you have put under control and ii applaud you for that, since gay is a thing of the mind...Now being a pastor of such an overwhelming crowd, hw do you cope with the large number of your male members who could cme T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for councelling?...don't you think you are not honest T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ yourself, iwhen the spirit of Gay is hovering arround your personality,rather. Than rebuking it for life and relinquishing its hold on you psychologically in order T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ serve God better ?...2. If a psychological gay member should come T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for. Deliverance/councelling...its assumed you both are faced with the same ordeal, HO̶̲̥̅̶̷̩̥̊͡ do you intend T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ go about it?.....Beside this,since I'm convinced that you are a through man of God, ii will like T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ know you personally, but on anonymous ground, cos of the position you occupy, ii believe M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ acquaintance with you will help strengthen M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ relationship with God and also edify M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ view on sexuality and intimate immorality...ii also used T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ be effeminate in M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ childhood, although ii was able T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ overcme it,but ii will most gratefully appreciate your enlightenment on this menace!....plz kindly email me sir......trailblazer25@yahoo.com. Ii look forward T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ receiving your email. Tanks sir!

Emusan: Why attacking Yooguyz and not the OP?

why are you pained? it was nt an attack but true verified statement of facts accesible on the NL. yooguyz does not believe in God and bible anymore because bible condemn homosextuality which he practice as a priest
https://www.nairaland.com/1877993/yooguyz-confirm-atheist-status-n

https://www.nairaland.com/1881512/controversial-gay-pastor-yooguyz-fails

so posting topics from the bible itself is mockery and that is what i am against, he has not denied what i posted and so, if you are not comfortable with it sorry, he's got his right to post opinion on matter so do anybody

honeychild: yooguyz d homosexual pastor ! You have not yet tire?!

You that used church funds to rent hotel room in South Africa so you can have homosexual affairs with a fellow pastor?

Is it because you haven't been taken to court for misappropriation of funds?!

yooguyz father is the head pastor now, so like priest Eli in the bible, he keep pampering his son, even when sacrificial meat is being roasted on the alter, longthroath eli sons will put a fork and remove good part of the meat to eat, thats the way yooguyz father has been allowing yooguyz to steal sacred meats and corrupt the church, well dia ris God ooooooo!

Yooguyz: Hafa na loooong time! Haw ya side?

My marriage proposal of that day still stands oh

Quickly accept it before I change my mind.
Am just doing it to help single desperate old ladies like you. Since husband scarce for ya side

you that cannot perform , your girlfriend that your daddy arranged was freezing out before you were advised to confess who you are, yoruba people call that okobo

https://www.nairaland.com/639119/romance-section-complaints-suggestions-thread/103#13968089

yooguyz [color=#000099]Mod please help me to remove this thread
http:/ am-a-guy-having-feelings-for-guys-help!
Its kinda very old. Thanks

!


chaiii na only you waka come o

Yooguyz: Michael the Archangel is described in Daniel 10:13 as "Mi´cha·el, one of the foremost princes" and at Revelation 12:7 it says " Mi´cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled." In the fifty years between 1880 and 1930 there were five changes as to who Michael was.

1. An Angel that worships Jesus

"Hence it is said, "Let all the angels of God worship him;" [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God] and the reason is, because He has "by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they."" Zion's Watch Tower 1879 Nov p.4

2. The Pope and Antichrist

"Michael and his angels"--the papacy and its supporters--fought against the dragon--pagan rulers, etc.,-- and the great dragon was cast out of heaven. Zion's Watch Tower 1879 December p.6

3. Michael was the pre-human Jesus Christ

"Can it be that he who was called Michael--Jehovah's chief-messenger--was none other than our Lord in his pre-human condition? we conclude that HE must have been "chief messenger." " Zion's Watch Tower 1883 June p.3

4. The Pope again

"Michael.--- "Who as God," the Pope." The Finished Mystery 1917 p.188

5. Jesus in heaven

Since the 1930's Michael is explained to be the heavenly name for Jesus.

"For many years Jehovah's Witnesses have taught that Michael is a heavenly name for the only-begotten Son of God, who was named Jesus while on earth." Watchtower 1984 December 15 p.26

The Governing Body of the Watchtower Society demonstrate that they have no idea as to how to interpret Revelation.

you once said that the bible, not only JW'S NWT but bible as a whole is for the gullible, and that 'you dont even believe in God' you have insulted God in your links below. so why quoting it again?


https://www.nairaland.com/1877993/yooguyz-confirm-atheist-status-n

https://www.nairaland.com/1881512/controversial-gay-pastor-yooguyz-fails

you once said that the bible, not only JW'S NWT but bible as a whole is for the gullible, and that 'you dont even believe in God' you have insulted God in your links below. so why quoting it again?


https://www.nairaland.com/1877993/yooguyz-confirm-atheist-status-n

https://www.nairaland.com/1881512/controversial-gay-pastor-yooguyz-fails

Yooguyz: So questions questioning the legitmacy of watchtower leaders to make doctrine and to oversee the brothers are not worth it.

when your father imposed you as a pastor on over 3000 gullible members of your church, yet you accepted it knowing fully well that you are a gay,of course you cant deny that all this while, i want to ask if there is a faculty called 'conscience' in you, anyway dia ris God ooooo, na only you waka come this tread

[quote author=loveroftruth][/quote]yooguyz a gay pastor and over 3000+ gullible members! you can see what impertiality can cause, his father was the head priest and use his position to impose a gay over the church. God SHOULD please speed up judgement against this horrible act, haba!

Yooguyz: don't get me wrong, i didn't open the thread to mock the christian faith. In real life i pastor a 3000+ congregation, and its also a real life issue am facing. Going by my understanding of the word "gay". I know its not possible. But i want a platform where people of orientation and religion like me can drop their baggage. And also for religious people to ask questions. The internet is the best place to do that, cos you are anonymous, knowing fully well that you risk loosing a lot if you come out in real life. Sharing those things on the inside makes me relieved. More of your questions are welcome

post confirmed from page one

honeychild: yooguyz d homosexual pastor ! You have not yet tire?!

You that used church funds to rent hotel room in South Africa so you can have homosexual affairs with a fellow pastor?

Is it because you haven't been taken to court for misappropriation of funds?!

pastor yooguyz is eating tithe money like tommorow no dey

chech out now https://www.nairaland.com/1881512/controversial-gay-pastor-yooguyz-fails

Yooguyz: Which translation of the Bible should he pick up? Pleeeease advice him

kindly tell me the translation you believe after this revelation below be honest pls;



https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331

Re: Implication Of Tithing by Yooguyz(m):
good evening op,
i have never paid tithe in my life and i don't intend on paying tithe but let those who do keep doing it, *in my mind* #deluded bunch of tithe paying folks# I am a Caktholic christian but i dont believe in God, in fact religion is the opium of the masses.
YOU can ATTACK me cos am used to attacks infact i'll welcome one so far it's sincere #but if i troll you with multiple id's eh?#
funny thing about me i don't even believe in the bible am quoting it's for gullible people
you know yourself

Samgreguc: Wait! Yooguyz was a Roman catholic and a priest?

hear from the horse mouth himself

yooguyz was pastor a 3000+ congregation, he was a gay, in his own tread he admited it, its not an insult check out;


https://www.nairaland.com/1439402/christians-chatbox

Re: The people-of-orientation Christians Chatbox by Yooguyz (m): 10:53pm On Sep 14, 2013

don't get me wrong, i didn't open the thread to mock the christian faith. In real life i(yooguyz) pastor a 3000+ congregation, and its also a real life issue am facing. Going by my understanding of the word "gay". I know its not possible. But i want a platform where people of orientation and religion like me can drop their baggage. And also for religious people to ask questions. The internet is the best place to do that, cos you are anonymous, knowing fully well that you risk loosing a lot if you come out in real life. Sharing those things on the inside makes me relieved. More of your questions are welcome

and see a question asked from him on same tread,

you dodge this question from a fellowstudent that needs your attention

Re: The people-of-orientation Christians Chatbox by geovanni24(m): 6:44pm On Oct 17, 2013

This comment is strictly for @yooguys...ii understand that you are a pastor, pastoring A church of about 3000 members!...Now from your views on the Gay attitude, ii can easily deduce that you have some gay tendencies that you have put under control and ii applaud you for that, since gay is a thing of the mind...Now being a pastor of such an overwhelming crowd, hw do you cope with the large number of your male members who could cme T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for councelling?...don't you think you are not honest T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ yourself, iwhen the spirit of Gay is hovering arround your personality,rather. Than rebuking it for life and relinquishing its hold on you psychologically in order T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ serve God better ?...2. If a psychological gay member should come T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for. Deliverance/councelling...its assumed you both are faced with the same ordeal, HO̶̲̥̅̶̷̩̥̊͡ do you intend T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ go about it?.....Beside this,since I'm convinced that you are a through man of God, ii will like T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ know you personally, but on anonymous ground, cos of the position you occupy, ii believe M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ acquaintance with you will help strengthen M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ relationship with God and also edify M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ view on sexuality and intimate immorality...ii also used T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ be effeminate in M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ childhood, although ii was able T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ overcme it,but ii will most gratefully appreciate your enlightenment on this menace!....plz kindly email me sir......trailblazer25@yahoo.com. Ii look forward T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ receiving your email. Tanks sir!

https://www.nairaland.com/1439402/christians-chatbox/13

he is yet to make a disclaimer or instruct mods to quickly help him remove the tread, it is very obvious there

he may soon tell you it was a sarcastical thing

check it now the tread is still active now, im watching his next actions!


on how yooguyz became atheist;

after opening that thread https://www.nairaland.com/1439402/christians-chatbox he could not answer questions as an ordained priest(that even explained the questionable process that made him a controvercial priest)

he lost his temper, below and could not hide the fact that he has already been considering atheist views https://www.nairaland.com/505782/questions-comments-complaints-talk-moderators/256

Yooguyz: On Sep 16, 2013

what i can say is am disappointed by the attitude displayed by so-called christians in this forum. Smh. Even after making my intentions clear, what i get in response is hate speech and a christian supporting hatred. What happened to John 13:35
" by this shall all men know that you are my DISCIPLES if ye have LOVE ONE to ANOTHER"
no wonder many athiests call xtainity a hypocrital religion! Judging by the above scripture All i can say is we DON'T HAVE CHRISTIANS IN NAIRALAND! finito!

UjSizzle lol ok then. Seems you've just agreed gays ain't Christians afterall.

that explain this proclamation NOT sarcastical as he wants us to believe but a statement of fact on the tread https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331

Re: Implication Of Tithing by Yooguyz(m):
good evening op,
i have never paid tithe in my life and i don't intend on paying tithe but let those who do keep doing it, *in my mind* #deluded bunch of tithe paying folks# I am a Caktholic christian but i dont believe in God, in fact religion is the opium of the masses.
YOU can ATTACK me cos am used to attacks infact i'll welcome one so far it's sincere #but if i troll you with multiple id's eh?#
funny thing about me i don't even believe in the bible am quoting it's for gullible people
you know yourself

note this words 'attack'' in his statements; ''YOU can ATTACK me cos am used to attacks'' connect it with this; what i get in response is hate speech and a christian supporting hatred. What happened to John 13:35
" by this shall all men know that you are my DISCIPLES if ye have LOVE ONE to ANOTHER"
no wonder many athiests call xtainity a hypocrital religion and the picture will be clear!

YOU yooguyz pastor a 3000+ congregation, and you are a gay, in your own tread admited by you


https://www.nairaland.com/1439402/christians-chatbox

Re: The people-of-orientation Christians Chatbox by Yooguyz (m): 10:53pm On Sep 14, 2013

don't get me wrong, i didn't open the thread to mock the christian faith. In real life i(yooguyz) pastor a 3000+ congregation, and its also a real life issue am facing. Going by my understanding of the word "gay". I know its not possible. But i want a platform where people of orientation and religion like me can drop their baggage. And also for religious people to ask questions. The internet is the best place to do that, cos you are anonymous, knowing fully well that you risk loosing a lot if you come out in real life. Sharing those things on the inside makes me relieved. More of your questions are welcome

you dodge this question from a fellowstudent that needs your attention

Re: The people-of-orientation Christians Chatbox by geovanni24(m): 6:44pm On Oct 17, 2013

This comment is strictly for @yooguys...ii understand that you are a pastor, pastoring A church of about 3000 members!...Now from your views on the Gay attitude, ii can easily deduce that you have some gay tendencies that you have put under control and ii applaud you for that, since gay is a thing of the mind...Now being a pastor of such an overwhelming crowd, hw do you cope with the large number of your male members who could cme T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for councelling?...don't you think you are not honest T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ yourself, iwhen the spirit of Gay is hovering arround your personality,rather. Than rebuking it for life and relinquishing its hold on you psychologically in order T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ serve God better ?...2. If a psychological gay member should come T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for. Deliverance/councelling...its assumed you both are faced with the same ordeal, HO̶̲̥̅̶̷̩̥̊͡ do you intend T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ go about it?.....Beside this,since I'm convinced that you are a through man of God, ii will like T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ know you personally, but on anonymous ground, cos of the position you occupy, ii believe M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ acquaintance with you will help strengthen M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ relationship with God and also edify M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ view on sexuality and intimate immorality...ii also used T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ be effeminate in M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ childhood, although ii was able T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ overcme it,but ii will most gratefully appreciate your enlightenment on this menace!....plz kindly email me sir......trailblazer25@yahoo.com. Ii look forward T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ receiving your email. Tanks sir!

https://www.nairaland.com/1439402/christians-chatbox/13

if you like tell the mods to quickly help you remove the tread, it is very obvious there

and if you like quickly write a disclaimer and tell us you are being sarcastical


answer the question in quote above

OLAADEGBU: So will you claim what came upon Mariam as a result of what she ran her mouth on?  She too claimed to be Woman of God, hear her:

"And they said, Has the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? has he not spoken by us also?  And the LORD heard it." -- Numbers 12:2

As you can see, you are treading on dangerous grounds.

There is nothing wrong in having another wife, kumuyi on this issue i think he has done the right thing, but the issue here is Ola!

bolded, threathening members with miriam's issue on every opinion raised by a member is sickning, this is not the first time you will shout a member down even when you are proven wrong, here is an example where Olaadegbu wrongly use the miriam issue to shout down Colins;

At exactly 3:08pm On Jul 10, 2013, OLAADEGBU post this comment below to shout down one COLLINS ADUA, a devout Deeper Life BC member who had offended most of his friends by avoiding to attend their weddings due to stern belief of the church on jewelries and flambouyant weddings.

NOTE PLS.
(im not fronting for COLLINS or talking on his behalf or Against Deeper life,Besides Collins appologised to the Church, which is bigger than individuals, so DLBC should pls accept my respect to their faith)

No problem about church having DOCTRINE, but USING LIES to scold people IS THE ISSUE HERE, which further put OLAADEGBU'S revelations UNDER MICROSCOPE

OLAADEGBU:3:08pm On Jul 10
There have been visions of those who visited heaven and heard what the Lord Jesus Christ testified about W.F. Kumuyi and showed them his mansion. His wife who has moved on to glory was also seen in her splendour

https://www.nairaland.com/1350074/kumuyi-offers-resign-over-sons/22

But just two months after precisely on sunday 8th sept,2013 pastor-kumuyi- himself-disowns THOSE STORIES RELIED ON by Olaadegbu himself to scold COLLINS.

Here is what KUMUYI DROPPED like a bombshell;

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/09/09/controversial-video-pastor-kumuyi-disowns-prophetess/

....Kumuyi further said that one of the people who claimed to have gone to heaven said they saw Mummy Kumuyi in the kingdom of God, saying that he did not need such CD to know that his wife was in heaven and that the word of God has told us the criteria for getting to His kingdom.

[size=14pt]According to him, such people were merely deceiving the people[/size], saying that when Apostle Paul was translated to heaven and came back, he did not produce CDs about what he saw in heaven and began to sell them.

“When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, Lazarus did not go about telling people that this was what he saw in heaven. We should rest on the word of God to tell us what we need to know about heaven and how to get there. How do you know that they have actually gone to heaven? These are the last days. Don’t waste your money on buying these CDs,” he stated.



[size=14pt]earlier this is the conversation between COLLINS and OLAADEGBU[/size]

1]

Colin Adua:

A bunch of over pampered kids!

reply;OLAADEGBU:
You certainly sound like one.

2]

Colin Adua:

A sister once told me that during her Deeper Life wedding that the wife of the regional overseer searched thoroughly for perming underneath their locally plaited hair, and if she had noticed one, that person would have been chased out of the wedding right there on her wedding day.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

Are you basing this on facts or just hearsay?

3]

Colin Adua:

Now, somebody in the same church, after years of humiliating and openly rebuking others for far lesser offfence, has the effrontery to adorn herself with perming(are you sure, that, is not weavon/wig), makeup, earing, wedding gown, see through show shoulder dress, against the church's 38 years preaching/ standard and the wedding was allowed to hold, while the GS was present, just because of what? Probably, because she is being married to the GS (Oga on top) son. And deeper life members were there, clapping for them, beaming with smiles, inside deeper life church. You people needs to try more harder to explain to me that there is no DOULBE STANDARD.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

You are basing your emotional outbursts on hearsays which are not facts. The bride didn't wear earrings and the wedding did not take place in DLBC. If you don't have the full information surrounding the whole scenario [size=14pt]why do you want to bring yourself under a curse like Mariam did?[/size]

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Colin Adua:

Resignation or no resignation, apology or no apology, suspension or no suspension, discipline or no discipline, all those are meaningless medicine after death, the wedding has been permitted, the damage has been done. Why did the church allow the worldly wedding to hold in the first place? Didnt they see her make up at their traditional wedding two days before? Are the members afraid to rebuke the son of their pastor? All these shenanigans, laterly is just, far far far foul, a move to stop other members from giving their children high society wedding, after they have already given it to their kids.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

If you sincerely wanted answers to these questions you should have consulted your pastor instead of venting your pains with unbelievers who don't care about the state of your soul? If the fact that you have been prevented from wearing make up is the issue then you don't have to stay in the church, especially if make up is more important to you than your soul.

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Colin Adua:

Is it not outright hypocrisy, double standard and lack of integrity? Am still very shocked, disappointed and I feel betrayed. I did not attend the wedding of someone very close to me, I did not take pictures with them, neither did I eat their cake and food at the hall, in my protest that I did not support him marrying an unbeliever, neither do I support his flambouyant worldly wedding, partly because of the church then, now look at this. How will he see me now? Is it not an outright betrayal?

reply=OLAADEGBU:
If your conviction is not based on the word of God you will be moved by what you see or hear. Let Christ be your rock and you shall not fall.

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Colin Adua:

Pastor Kumuyi would have shown us the stuff he was made of(if he was actually made of any stuff). He was there, sat quietly, took pictures with them, probably, drank their wine (are you sure that wine wasnt alcoholic), listened to their songs(I wonder what they were singing about, in that shameless disobedience to a constituted organisation), possibly ate their cake and food. Then flown back to Nigeria and started waving resignation over our faces. He doesnt need to offer resignation, as I read from a paper, he should have submitted a resignation letter, gone home collected all the wedding pictures and videos from the naughty couple and get them burnt, if he is serious.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

The bolded above tells me that you have no fact to buttress your point. Is it the newspapers that made spurious reports that she wore earrings when she did not? You need to get your facts right and not put your faith in what you will later find out to be false reports and assumptions.

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Colin Adua:

I find it difficult listening to his messages again, because I keep asking myself, do this man mean all these things he is saying? If not the issue with my PC, I would have gotten all of them deleted from my HDD.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

The devil has got you where he needs you. You've allowed your faith that was built on the promises of God to be destroyed by all the naysayers and gainsayers. It is easier to destroy than to build and you know that the devil has only come to steal, kill and destroy and that's if you allow him.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

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Colin Adua:

What has happened to open rebuke, that the church has been preaching? What has happened to showing our faith by our works? What has happened to " a leader's sin is a leading sin" condemnation? Why didnt kumuyi call off or halt that wedding when he saw that girl like that? Why didnt he cancel it and chase those bunch of naughty kids out of the church, as has been done to so many other people in the past (as I heard, I never witnessed any), as the general overseer of the whole branches? He would have welded his cane immediately. A worthy shepherd can never see a sheep getting lost and keep quiet and after it must have gotten lost and eaten he now starts looking for it.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

Again you "heard" who are you hearing from? Are you hearing from the Lord?

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Colin Adua:

If he had chased them out of the church and had postponed the wedding, now I would have been celebrating him, boasting and thumping my chest. And my respect for him would have gone back to 100%. But he sat there and kept quiet, while his kids were disobeying the church, now he is crying foul and rejecting apology. Thats crying when the head is already cut off, medicine after death, an outright double standard, because no one in his right senses can believe that he did not consent to the wedding.

author=OLAADEGBU:
Again, you do not know all the facts. It is wrong for you to wrongly accuse the Man of God of things you are ignorant of. Learn the lesson Mariam learnt and be wise.

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Colin Adua:

The high society wedding, has already been done, the pictures are probably somewhere waiting to be enlarged, framed and hanged. Few years from now, the kids will look at them and possibly grin with satisfaction and give themselves high five and thumbs up, that they looked good during their day. And other members will still be shackled down from happiness, freedom and liberty with unnecessary laws.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

If it is the high society wedding that you are after then go ahead and do it. If you think that worldliness and idolatory will make you happy go ahead and do it. Don't give the excuse that the church would not allow it.

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Colin Adua:

Had it been that this happened to another pastor like Lazarus Mouka, deeper life members would have piecesed him. They will talk and talk and talk untill their arses starts talking. Only God knows what they would have said. Now, it has happened to Deeper Life and they are defending their pastor, trying to sweep it under the carpet. Thank God for the media, it would have been cleverly underplayed.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

You say that they are defending their pastor. That means that he wasn't your pastor. Why don't you just say it that you are advertising your pastor?

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Colin Adua:

My respect for him has gone from 70% to -20%. He should be disciplined and suspended for sitting quietly, consenting to that wedding, just like the Jamaican national overseer. If God is still interested in DL, HE will raise somebody far better than him. Nobody is indispensable. Kumuyi should get off there for some time it will help us to recover easily, retaining him as GS for now is still amounting to another double standard, an unfair treatment, since the Jamaican overseer, has been suspended. A lot of pastors in deeper life has been disciplined for an offence far lesser. PLEASE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE BY EXAMPLE.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

For your information. There have been visions of those who visited heaven and heard what the Lord Jesus Christ testified about W.F. Kumuyi and showed them his mansion. His wife who has moved on to glory was also seen in her splendour. You are still in the race and you are condemning what the Lord has not condemned. Take heed.

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Colin Adua:

Deeper life should go and put the church in order, making sure that those bunch of over pampered kids, did not give birth before 9 months of their wedding. They should counsel, monitor and nurtur them so that they should not fight and divorce. Because that will finish the already dented image of the church. A woman who can shamelessly, globally and overtly disobey an old constituted organisation, she grew up in, with alacrity, without minding whose ox is gored, doesnt seem like an ideal virtuous, submisssive wife to

reply=OLAADEGBU:

The Lord is building His Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The bride in question is not married to you so you don't have to worry yourself of what becomes of her, if anything at all pray for them. Bitterness and anger will destroy you if you don't let go and let God.

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Colin Adua:

Maybe God has seen these lack of integrity, far before we do and raised a new pastor in the person of Lazarus Mouka for himself and us.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

At least we can see where you are coming from and where you are going. You mentioned your pastor unlike others who hide their's in secrecy.

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Colin Adua:

I wish, finally someone will just tell me that this is not true, that it didnt happen. I wish I can wake up and find all this a dream.

reply=OLAADEGBU:
When you wake up out of your nightmare you will then face the reality of life and see that all your assumptions are false.

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Colin Adua:

Kai, na waoh! am stranded. I never imagined nor expected this from a family we boast of and look up to.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THIS WRITEUP, IF THAT WORLDLY WEDDING DID NOT HAPPEN AFTER ALL.

Colin.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

You better ask God to forgive you for blasphemy and false witnessing before its too late, He will surely forgive.

[/quote]videos posted by OLAADEGBU to butress his Claims below in the link https://www.nairaland.com/1365799/warnings-jesus-christ-churches-nigeria

OLAADEGBU was so sure of this woman that kumuyi is denying now

OLAADEGBU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaakPCO1jwQ

[size=12t]Linda Ngaujah has messages from our Lord Jesus Christ for Nigerian Pastors and churches. But will people take heed to the Master's call?.......OLAADEGBU[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/1302128/sierra-leonian-came-back-hell

[quote author=OLAADEGBU]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y5DOUBOou4

he looks very young and strong, and i can remember his old teamates says that his presence in the dressing room always spark jokes and encourage friendship among teamates, he is a good example of humility to the youth

i am an african person, but there is one personality that beam joy on his face that i always admire a lot and also show his worth even if his club doesnt win a particular game, even when he is treated badly, his name is samuel eto'o fills, he scored hour's after his debute at everton today to prove his worth, when even the likes of legend didier drogba could not score for chelsea, eto'o still went ahead to shake drogba with smilling face, this attitude of eto'o provokes joy in my family, my wife even my son and a family friend was hapy for him, if you are with a sincere heart pls, tell me what you feel about the legend Samuel Eto'o!

Yooguyz: Am not discreding witnesses, am just exposing watchtower hypocrisy.



What are these real facts? Please tell me want to know, and if after carefully examing these "facts" with facts, it turns out to be true, I will convert to your religion.

this is the real expose; by yooguyz himself

https://www.nairaland.com/1877865/yooguyz-athiest

and this;

https://www.nairaland.com/1876439/17-top-facts-u-probably/3#25857681

Yooguyz: I wonder why she is claiming brighter light when the 1919 doctrine is stilling being held till this day.

in your own case you travel with missionaries of your fathers church to south africa 'at the church's expense, only to commit unnatural man to man abomination with assistant priest of the church, and since then 'inniquity was found in thee'

you started roaming religion section out of guilty concience like cain after he commited murder

i think you have offended God and grieved the holy spirit,

and your light? dim or bright?

this is where you have made a mistake since 2012 november, of which you beg jesoul(mod) to help you remove an afterthought! more and more evidences i have, lets start with this first, https://www.nairaland.com/639119/romance-section-complaints-suggestions-thread/103#13968089

Emusan: But you always support JW here, why?

because most of their arguments are on point! many people likes them, ie @00seven, myself and others but dont neccesarily be their member and i dont see any reason apart from your own insinuation that makes them illegal!

About @Yooguys I don't have problem with him whether he criticizes Christian faith or not (if at all is an Atheist) since he won't be the first or the last

You are known for 'rephrasing or redefining statements' i am not saying that you should have problem with him at least you feel confortable with him as a trinitarian, but then you dont have a problem with when he said 'he does not even believe bible verses that you both share! its noteworthy, its your choice you ve got the right, but You DELIBERATELY play down what i put to you, by cynically changing what i mean, here is my statement which you replied again;

BERNIMOORE to Emusan: i can see that you are joining issues with someone who does not have the same belief in Gods word! but disrespect to GODS word,, he loathe the scripture and funny enough he is trying to use you as a tool to further his interest

someone who does not have the same belief in Gods word! but disrespect to GODS word and i provide a proof with links, https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331

of which he did not deny; now this is not about 'criticsm of christian faith' as you put it below

Emusan; About @Yooguys I don't have problem with him whether he criticizes Christian faith or not (if at all is an Atheist) since he won't be the first or the last

if you are not disappointed at an ordained priest like yooguyz, a catholic who 'in his own word said that he does not believe the bible verses that he is quoting, and that bible is meant for the gullible' then are you ARE A GULLIBLE? i dont expect you to answer directly, you can keep the answer

after all the jews and the pharisees chose the thief 'barbara' as their beloveth choice against 'jesus' so as to have jesus killed, its not new.

BUT my main concern is people like JW who claim to be followers of Christ but always twist scriptures.

Emusan(only), kindly open a thread and invite me there and post the link on this tread, pick a (1) topic and point out where they twist scripture, then one after another lets discuss 'do not copy several allegations and paste, one after another, we can see the truth

Yooguyz: There is word out there that am an Athiest masqurading as a christian because of the below post made by me


Re: Implication Of Tithing by Yooguyz(m): 10:47pm On Apr 11, 2013
good evening op, i have never paid tithe in my life and i don't intend on paying tithe but let those who do keep doing it, *in my mind* #deluded bunch of tithe paying folks# I am a Caktholic christian but i dont believe in God, in fact religion is the opium of the masses.
YOU can ATTACK me cos am used to attacks infact i'll welcome one so far it's sincere #but if i troll you with multiple id's eh?#
funny thing about me i don't even believe in the bible am quoting it's for gullible people
you know yourself
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https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331

The above statement made by me was intended to be a sarcastic reply to a moniker on that thread. And it was put forth by this moniker who is well known for trolling my threads.



https://www.nairaland.com/1876439/17-top-facts-u-probably/2



Old NL members are aware of my hatred for athiesm that is even implied in my signature. Please disregard any insinuations of the above, as it is a desperate attempt to discredit my watchtower threads.

sarcastic really it was an AFTERTHOUGHT! and trembling have forced you to create this tread impromptu, when do you clarify yourself? the same 28th aug 2014 the same day that you were faced with your own undeniable statement of fact! this is huge joke! after 16 good months you just remember to create a so called disclaimer in desperation! and presenting it as if you had earlier disclaimed the thread!why cant you be honest boy

just because i warned you not to remove your post the way you always do in the link https://www.nairaland.com/639119/romance-section-complaints-suggestions-thread/103#13968089

yooguyz Mod please help me to remove this thread
http:/ am-a-guy-having-feelings-for-guys-help!
Its kinda very old. Thanks!

when a full grown man like you is having a feeling towards your fellow guy, as you submit, is that also a sarcastic comment? why are you not honest for once as an ordained priest, well jesus loves you, if you can change and come back, thanks!

Yooguyz: Please take note! Bernimore's quote is not my personal view. I have clarified myself in this thread, which I believe you might have seen.

https://www.nairaland.com/1877865/yooguyz-athiest

AFTERTHOUGHT! when do you clarify yourself?is it the same today that you were faced with your own undeniable statement of fact! this is huge joke! after 16 good months you just remember to create a so called disclaimer in desperation! and presenting it as if you had earlier disclaimed the thread!

here is a counter-disclaimer https://www.nairaland.com/1877993/yooguyz-confirm-atheist-status-n#25851097

nl members should be aware pls

irishCream: nigga stop denying ur god damn man-made religion, from the content of ur comment u're one of them maybe she invited u to come and assist her same way some of those naive members of urs do go and come back wid crammed version of answers when asked a question on visit. No witness can decieve me I know them in and out they're not better than an average christian. The same bible y'all read says God sees the heart (1 Samuel 16:7) so stick to ur man-made doctrine and stop being a nuissance to others, preach to urself first.

you are very wrong,ok

you insinuate from my comment just for the first time that i am one of the jehovahs witnesses when i am not! maybe to score cheap fabricated points, and i wasnt the right person, anyway you have right your opinion though, so far it is based on sentiments and not 'a statement of fact' or strong proof i dont have problem with you! generally, i am making a case for all christians who believe in the bible, but can you kindly expanciate on what you mean by man-made doctrine and do you believe in God and the sacred scripture? pls be honest

Emusan

i want to believe that you

1, believe in God

2, believe the holy/sacred scriptures

i can see that you are joining issues with someone who does not have the same belief in Gods word! but disrespect to GODS word,, he loathe the scripture and funny enough he is trying to use you as a tool to further his interest, a small boy of 25 for that mather! are you part of the gullible he insinuate to those who believe in GOD AND BIBLE?

Emusan: Sorry for jumping into your discussion but I'm not clear with the underlined statement in your post.

Was Pentecostal and others included in your ALL CHRISTIANS or only JW you're still referring to as ALL CHRISTIAN?

Doesn't JW are the only true Christian on earth?

i am not aware maybe JW are the only true Christian on earth, but anybody who believe in the holy scripture and have faith in God through christ jesus is a christian in my own personal defination, i am not a jehovahs witness, ok?

and since yooguys does not believe in the bible as he confessed in this link https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331, is he a christian to you and in a position to critisize those trying their best?

ProphetUdeme: perfect perfect perfect.. U have been endowed with spiritual wisdom form God.. Continue with it and God bless u bro. No mind those deceivers

unfortunately yooguyz does NOT believe in those bible verses you are praising him for, sorry!https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331

Re: Implication Of Tithing by Yooguyz(m): 10:47pm On Apr 11, 2013
good evening op,
i have never paid tithe in my life and i don't intend on paying tithe but let those who do keep doing it, *in my mind* #deluded bunch of tithe paying folks# I am a Caktholic christian but i dont believe in God, in fact religion is the opium of the masses.
YOU can ATTACK me cos am used to attacks infact i'll welcome one so far it's sincere #but if i troll you with multiple id's eh?#
funny thing about me i don't even believe in the bible am quoting it's for gullible people
you know yourself

do you agree that bible is for the gullible? Mr