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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:25am On Sep 12, 2013

JMAN05: Jesus is not just an angel but an archangel in heaven.

first, what do you understand by the word angel?

it is obvious, and cant be denied, but to keep the thread on focus, i decided to leave out concept not directly relating to the aim of the thread, that is why i exclude developing micheal, and archangel but 'only focus on jesus as angel/messenger/servant of covenant in heaven.

thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: GAY (xtians) Put-off Your Unnatural/deceitfull Lust And Be-born AGAIN, Only WAY by BERNIMOORE(op): 11:18am On Sep 12, 2013

FOLYKAZE: You asked a question and you giving answers. You ask for proof and it provided. You dont have right to discriminate against Gays. Let them be. Do your ministration and let them do theirs

sorry,i dont discriminate here, as you can see i have no buziness with non-christian Gays dont think they are the same no, they are a world apart.

only for christians who are gays, AND need clarification on their standing before God, im helping them to see clearly Gods standards. even at that they have a choice. im not a prophet, but a teacher of Gods word.

thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: GAY (xtians) Put-off Your Unnatural/deceitfull Lust And Be-born AGAIN, Only WAY by BERNIMOORE(op): 11:08am On Sep 12, 2013

Judas2013: what if you are wrong?

are you a christian? if yes we can talk, if no we cant, the topic is for christians who need to be born again and renewed

Christianity Etc › Re: GAY (xtians) Put-off Your Unnatural/deceitfull Lust And Be-born AGAIN, Only WAY by BERNIMOORE(op): 10:40am On Sep 12, 2013

FOLYKAZE: Mark 14:50-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus’ followers was scantily dressed…” then everyone deserted him and fled.

John 21:20
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his bosom at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

And
Mark 14:50-52
King James Version (KJV)

50 And they all forsook him, and fled.
51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his Unclad body; and the young men laid hold on him:
52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them Unclad.

What was Jesus doing at the place called Gethsemane. If he went there with Peter, james and john, who is the young man that followed them nakedly? Why didn't jesus pray alone? A man lean to his bosom, and the same unnamed man was following him nakedly: implies they did something secret when they were alone.

^^^We don’t know from the above verse what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and this unknown disciple.
What is a Unclad man doing after Jesus? What I'd like to know is why the guy was resting his head against Jesus' "bosom" and why Jesus allowed this instead of pushing him away like any normal, non-gay male would? If you saw any two adult males lying down in the same positon, what would you immediately think?
An objective look at the bible clearly shows that there is some at least some weight to this gay Jesus theory. If this Unclad man is John, or anybody which is not defined but man then it implies Jesus was a gay

you post bellow

FOLYKAZE: 1. I am ex-christian....sound cool huh?

confims that you were a christian before, but NOT again, so im sorry if you see the topic, it starts with GAY xtians or christians, those that accept that there is God, and those who respect jesus his son.

Christianity Etc › Re: OLAADEGBU, So COLIN'S Was Right. Sis.linder Ngaujah YOU Relied On To Shut Him Up by BERNIMOORE(op): 10:22am On Sep 12, 2013

DrummaBoy: Mr False Prophet, is it not obvious what he is trying to do... To deliver Jesus' bride from marauders like you and OLAADEGBU.

At this point in your life, you need visions and revelations and not faith In Christ for your confidence to God's presence.

Now that Kumuyi has spoken, will U both SHUT YOUR TRAP.

I use this medium to extend my respect and admiration of Kumuyi for this very bold position he has taken over and against the position of draconians in his church. For me Kumuyi has redeemed himself from the opprobium that followed his son's wedding.

God bless U man of God. And thank U Benimmore for drawing our attention to this.

Candour, I hail O!

i dey hail too, do you believe that God is of confusion? 1 cor 14 that his prophet(kumuyi) and (prophetess LINDA) doubt each other,

Kumuyi said in his statement above 'How do you know that they have actually gone to heaven'? this is not a third party THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE, NA DEM-DEM

But my point is that ola was so sure of this and bank on sister linda and amure as his evidences. im not finding fault, but the bible says 'test every spirit, wheather they are from God' 'by their fruit ye shall know them'

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:50am On Sep 12, 2013

truthislight: @ Benimoor

good work, good work men.

truth is light and will continue pursue darkness and force them out!

Christianity Etc › Re: GAY (xtians) Put-off Your Unnatural/deceitfull Lust And Be-born AGAIN, Only WAY by BERNIMOORE(op): 9:40am On Sep 12, 2013

Yooguyz: The word being translated to
"homosexual" in 1 Corithians 6,
and 1 Timothy 1 is
"arsenokoitai." This word does
not appear in Greek writings
prior to Paul's use of it in the NT.
Nobody knows for sure what
meaning Paul was trying to
convey by it's use. If the meaning
Paul wanted to convey was
homosexual, then he would have
used the word "paiderasste",
which was the term used at the
time for male homosexual. The
word "paiderasste" does not
appear in the Bible.
"Arsenokoitai" is made up of two
parts: "arsen" means "man";
"koitai" means "beds." Literally
translated "arsenokoitai" is a
"male-bedder." It is interesting to
note that during the time of
Martin Luther, the word was
universally translated as
masturbators untill the 20th
century.
Male-bedder has also been
interpreted to mean a male
prostitute. Which seems to me
would be much closer to it's
meaning than homosexual.
The Greek word being translated
as effeminate is "malakoi." The
word appears two other times in
the NT, both times being
translated as "soft." Taken in the
context of this passage some
believe it to actually mean "soft in
morals." Within it's context, that
meaning makes more sense than
it does as a descriptive of a
person's outward mannerisms.
Jesus, himself, never says one
word against homosexuality. If it
is the grave sin it is made out to
be, then you would think that
Jesus would have mentioned it.
In fact, Jesus may have confirmed
that homosexuals are from birth
in Matthew 19:11. The modern
meaning of the word eunuch is a
castrated male. However, in
ancient times it was a broad
term that included any man who
lacked sexual desire for women
for whatever reason. Hence, their
use as chamberlains or officers
in the Bible.
Jesus even states that not
everyone can accept this word. If
the ancient term "eunuch" did
indeed include homosexuals
(some surviving ancient Roman
literature points to this), then
Jesus was proven right, some
cannot accept that
homosexuality is normal and
natural from birth

one thing is to humbly accept that an act constitutes a sin, another is to harden ones heart and justify a sinful conduct by arming oneself with enough defences from willfull ones who are not ready for a change. so as a christian you have to decide and not someone to decide for anybody, faith in God that you dont see takes a lot of convinction, so also instead of going through mind buggling defences and twisting to justify and harden one's heart, the

if anyone feels that it is normal, or convinced that it is the right thing, then they should fire-on!!

After reading what i will write next, then they are free to practice what they want and follow their mind. it is not by force, but it will serve as a witness that they are not ignorant of the consequencies 'as a christian'

sinful attempts to find sexual and emotional expression in ways God never intended IS NOT NORMAL. God's desire for the person caught in the trap of homosexuality is the same as for every other person caught in the trap of the sin nature; that we submit every area of our lives to Him and be transformed from the inside out by the renewing of our minds and the purifying of our hearts.

AGREED, This is a complex issue, and it is unfair to give simplistic answers or explanations. Some people start out as heterosexuals, but they rebel against God with such passionate self-indulgence that they end up embracing the gay lifestyle as another form of sexual expression. As one entertainer put it, "I'm not going to go through life with one arm tied behind my back!"

But the majority of those who experience same-sex attraction sense they are "different" from very early in life, and at some point they are encouraged to identify this difference as being gay. These people may experience "pre-conditions" that dispose them toward homosexuality, such as a sensitive and gentle temperament in boys, which is not recognized as acceptably masculine in our culture. Another may be poor eye-hand coordination that prevents a boy from doing well at sports, which is a sure way to invite shame and taunting from other boys (and, most unfortunately, from some of their own fathers and family members). Family relationships are usually very important in the development of homosexuality; the vast majority of those who struggle with same-sex attraction experienced a hurtful relationship with the same-sex parent in childhood. The presence of abuse is a recurring theme in the early lives of many homosexual strugglers. In one study, 91% of lesbian women reported childhood and adolescent abuse, 2/3 of them victims of sexual abuse. There is a huge difference, however, between predispositions that affects gender identity, and the choices we make in how we handle a predisposition. Because we are made in the image of God, we can choose how we respond to the various factors that may contribute to a homosexual orientation.

Preconditions make it easier to sin in a particular area. They do not excuse the sin. We can draw a parallel with alcoholism. Alcoholics often experience a genetic or environmental pre-condition, which makes it easier for them to fall into the sin of drunkenness. Is it a sin to want a drink? No. It's a sin to drink to excess.

All of us experience various predispositions that make it easier for us to fall into certain sins. For example, highly intelligent people find it easier to fall into the sin of intellectual pride. People who were physically abused as children may fall into the sins of rage and violence more easily than others.

Current popular thinking says that our behavior is determined by our environment or our genes, or both. But the Bible gives us the dignity and responsibility missing from that mechanistic view of life. God has invested us with free will—the ability to make real, significant choices. We can choose our responses to the influences on our lives, or we can choose to let them control us.

Someone with a predisposition for homosexuality may fall into the sin of the homosexual behavior much more easily than a person without it. But each of us alone is responsible for giving ourselves permission to cross over from temptation into sin.

Unasked-for, uncultivated sexual desires for a person of the same sex constitute temptation, not sin. Since the Lord Jesus was "tempted in every way, just as we are (Heb. 4:15)," He fully knows the intensity and nature of the temptations we face. But He never gave in to them.

The line between sexual temptation and sexual sin is the same for both heterosexuals and homosexuals. It is the point at which our conscious will gets involved. Sin begins with the internal acts of lusting and creating sexual fantasies. Lust is indulging one's sexual desires by deliberately choosing to feed sexual attraction—you might say it is the sinful opposite of meditation. Sexual fantasies are conscious acts of the imagination. It is creating mental pornographic home movies. Just as the Lord said in the Sermon on the Mount, all sexual sin starts in the mind long before it gets to the point of physical expression.

Many homosexuals claim, "I never asked for these feelings. I did not choose them," and this may be true. That is why it is significant to note that the Bible specifically condemns homosexual practices, but not undeveloped homosexual feelings (temptation). There is a difference between having sexual feelings and letting them grow into lust. When Martin Luther was talking about impure thoughts, he said, "You can't stop the birds from flying over your head, but you can keep them from building a nest in your hair."

Q. Isn't it true that "Once gay, always gay?"

A. It is certainly true that most homosexuals never become heterosexual—some because they don't want to, but most others because their efforts to change were unsuccessful. It takes spiritual submission and much emotional work to repent of sexual sin and achieve a healthy self-concept that glorifies God.

And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Cor 6:11).

This means there were former homosexuals in the church at Corinth! The Lord's loving redemption includes eventual freedom for all sin that is yielded to Him. Some (rare) people experience no homosexual temptations ever again. But for most others who are able to achieve change, homosexual desires are gradually reduced from a major problem to a minor nuisance that no longer dominates their lives. The probability of heterosexual desires returning or emerging depends on a person's sexual history.

When we are born again, we bring with us all of our emotional needs and all of our old ways of relating. Homosexuality is a relational problem of meeting emotional needs the wrong way; it is not an isolated problem of mere sexual preference. With the power of the indwelling Spirit, a Christian can cooperate with God to change this unacceptable part of life. Some people—a very few—are miraculously delivered from homosexual struggles. But for the majority, real change is slow. As in dealing with any besetting sin, it is a process, not an event. Sin's power over us is broken at the moment we are born again, but learning to depend on the Holy Spirit to say no to sin and yes to godliness takes time. 2 Cor. 3:18 says, "We...are being transformed into His likeness from glory to glory." Transformation (this side of eternity!) is a process that takes a while. Life in a fallen world is a painful struggle. It is not a pleasant thing to have two oppositional natures at war within us!

Homosexuality is not one problem; it is symptomatic of other, deeper problems involving emotional needs and an unhealthy self-concept. Salvation is only the beginning of emotional health. It allows us to experience human intimacy as God intended us to, finding healing for our damaged emotions. It isn't that faith in Christ isn't enough; faith in Christ is the beginning.

but like i said, the decision to take up the challenge to change goes a long way in telling God about repentance, then God will guide such individuals to achieve clean standing before him. only if 'old and bad associations are kept at bay'

i added some reseach work

thanks, and God bless you!

Christianity Etc › Re: OLAADEGBU, So COLIN'S Was Right. Sis.linder Ngaujah YOU Relied On To Shut Him Up by BERNIMOORE(op): 1:37pm On Sep 11, 2013

Candour: the above is what Christians have been telling OLAADEGBU for months but he just wouldn't listen. If you ask him now, he'll find a way to diplomatically deny that Kumuyi mouthed the quote bolded above.

It's obvious OLAADEGBU is very zealous but not according to knowledge but rather than listen, he keeps on raging ahead like a blindfolded bull in a china shop. My pastor friend's wife cut her long hair after watching this nonsense of a video and you could see the woman being very miserable about it. i wonder what she'll do now when she hears that Kumuyi cast aspersions on the videos.

These are the end times and scammers are everywhere. let Christians stick to their bibles.Its the more sure word pls

OLAADEGBU:3:08pm On Jul 10
There have been visions of those who visited heaven and heard what the Lord Jesus Christ testified about W.F. Kumuyi and showed them his mansion. His wife who has moved on to glory was also seen in her splendour

DEFINATELY his comment above has no basis! faced with obvious denial from KUMUYI himself.

Christianity Etc › Re: Recommend Threads For Frontpage by BERNIMOORE: 1:29pm On Sep 11, 2013

this topic discusses the TRUE solution to a problem that a christian might found his or her self, it is refreshing
KINDLY MAKE it a frontpage, thanks NL;

https://www.nairaland.com/1433880/gay-xtians-put-off-unnatural-deceitfull#18045215

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by BERNIMOORE: 1:15pm On Sep 11, 2013

obadiah777: rightttt lol

sorry i have not seen you on religion sections lately, i only think you may be interested to add your comment on my thread below, if you are busy or think its not neccesary, then have a nice time, thanks

https://www.nairaland.com/1434749/olaadegbu-colins-right-sis.linder-ngaujah#18044520

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Christianity Etc › Re: GAY (xtians) Put-off Your Unnatural/deceitfull Lust And Be-born AGAIN, Only WAY by BERNIMOORE(op): 1:13pm On Sep 11, 2013

FOLYKAZE: You called it abominable words because you dont see things as a gay does.

You cant prove me wrong, Jesus was a gay so also is David and Jonathan.

Allow to enjoy their s.exual pleasure....stop forcing your doctrine as the right thang which other should follow.

1, are you a christian pls?

2, prove your case using the bible pls. thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: GAY (xtians) Put-off Your Unnatural/deceitfull Lust And Be-born AGAIN, Only WAY by BERNIMOORE(op): 1:10pm On Sep 11, 2013

Yooguyz: @op, lemme ask you a question, what is your own definition of the word gay? *no insults please*

Thank you,

Mine own defination who im i? merely human, so my defination 'surendders to the bible defination and standard' that is why im only directing my pos t(topic) is strictly and 'only to those who are christian Gays' pls note that.

my defination;
women indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other.

standard can only be what God says. In Romans 1 we read,

Romans 1:26-27

26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

So even though homosexual desires feel natural, they are actually unnatural, because God says they are. He also calls all sexual involvement outside of marriage immoral. (There are 44 references to fornication—sexual immorality—in the Bible.) Therefore, any form of homosexual activity, whether a one-night stand or a long-term monogamous relationship, is by definition immoral—just as any abuse of heterosexuality outside of marriage is immoral.

Is homosexuality an orientation God intended for some people, or is it a perversion of normal sexuality?

A. If God had intended homosexuality to be a viable sexual alternative for some people, He would not have condemned it as an abomination. It is never mentioned in Scripture in anything but negative terms, and nowhere does the Bible even hint at approving or giving instruction for homosexual relationships. Some theologians have argued that David and Jonathan's relationship was a homosexual one, but this claim has no basis in Scripture. David and Jonathan's deep friendship was not sexual; it was one of godly emotional intimacy that truly glorified the Lord.

Homosexuality is a manifestation of the sin nature that all people share. At the fall of man (Gen 3), God's perfect creation was spoiled, and the taint of sin affected us physically, emotionally, intellectually, spiritually—and sexually. Homosexuality is a perversion of heterosexuality, The Lord Jesus said,

lets see Gods plan for creation;

In the beginning the Creator made them male and female. For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh (Matt 19:4, 5).

so from now on, any question you ask will be replied using bible. thanks

Christianity Etc › OLAADEGBU, So COLIN'S Was Right. Sis.linder Ngaujah YOU Relied On To Shut Him Up by BERNIMOORE(op): 12:43pm On Sep 11, 2013*

At exactly 3:08pm On Jul 10, OLAADEGBU post this comment below to shout down one COLLINS ADUA, a devout DLBC member who had offended most of his friends by avoiding to attend their weddings due to stern belief of the church on jewelries and flambouyant weddings.

NOTE PLS.
(im not fronting for COLLINS or talking on his behalf or Against Deeper life,Besides Collins appologised to the Church, which is bigger than individuals, so DLBC should pls accept my respect to their faith)

No problem about church having DOCTRINE, but USING LIES to scold people IS THE ISSUE HERE, which further put OLAADEGBU'S revelations UNDER MICROSCOPE

OLAADEGBU:3:08pm On Jul 10
[size=18pt]There have been visions of those who visited heaven and heard what the Lord Jesus Christ testified about W.F. Kumuyi and showed them his mansion. His wife who has moved on to glory was also seen in her splendour[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/1350074/kumuyi-offers-resign-over-sons/22

But just two months after precisely on sunday 8th sept,2013 pastor-kumuyi- himself-disowns THOSE STORIES RELIED ON by Olaadegbu himself to scold COLLINS.

Here is what KUMUYI DROPPED like a bombshell;

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/09/09/controversial-video-pastor-kumuyi-disowns-prophetess/

....Kumuyi further said that one of the people who claimed to have gone to heaven said they saw Mummy Kumuyi in the kingdom of God, saying that he did not need such CD to know that his wife was in heaven and that the word of God has told us the criteria for getting to His kingdom.

[size=14pt]According to him, such people were merely deceiving the people[/size], saying that when Apostle Paul was translated to heaven and came back, he did not produce CDs about what he saw in heaven and began to sell them.

“When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, Lazarus did not go about telling people that this was what he saw in heaven. We should rest on the word of God to tell us what we need to know about heaven and how to get there. [size=18pt]How do you know that they have actually gone to heaven?[/size] These are the last days. Don’t waste your money on buying these CDs,”[size=18pt] he stated[/size].

[size=14pt]earlier this is the conversation between COLLINS and OLAADEGBU[/size]

1]

Colin Adua:

A bunch of over pampered kids!
reply;OLAADEGBU:
You certainly sound like one.

2]

Colin Adua:

A sister once told me that during her Deeper Life wedding that the wife of the regional overseer searched thoroughly for perming underneath their locally plaited hair, and if she had noticed one, that person would have been chased out of the wedding right there on her wedding day.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

Are you basing this on facts or just hearsay?

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Colin Adua:

Now, somebody in the same church, after years of humiliating and openly rebuking others for far lesser offfence, has the effrontery to adorn herself with perming(are you sure, that, is not weavon/wig), makeup, earing, wedding gown, see through show shoulder dress, against the church's 38 years preaching/ standard and the wedding was allowed to hold, while the GS was present, just because of what? Probably, because she is being married to the GS (Oga on top) son. And deeper life members were there, clapping for them, beaming with smiles, inside deeper life church. You people needs to try more harder to explain to me that there is no DOULBE STANDARD.
reply=OLAADEGBU:

You are basing your emotional outbursts on hearsays which are not facts. The bride didn't wear earrings and the wedding did not take place in DLBC. If you don't have the full information surrounding the whole scenario [size=14pt]why do you want to bring yourself under a curse like Mariam did?[/size]

4]

Colin Adua:

Resignation or no resignation, apology or no apology, suspension or no suspension, discipline or no discipline, all those are meaningless medicine after death, the wedding has been permitted, the damage has been done. Why did the church allow the worldly wedding to hold in the first place? Didnt they see her make up at their traditional wedding two days before? Are the members afraid to rebuke the son of their pastor? All these shenanigans, laterly is just, far far far foul, a move to stop other members from giving their children high society wedding, after they have already given it to their kids.
reply=OLAADEGBU:

If you sincerely wanted answers to these questions you should have consulted your pastor instead of venting your pains with unbelievers who don't care about the state of your soul? If the fact that you have been prevented from wearing make up is the issue then you don't have to stay in the church, especially if make up is more important to you than your soul.

5]
Colin Adua:

Is it not outright hypocrisy, double standard and lack of integrity? Am still very shocked, disappointed and I feel betrayed. I did not attend the wedding of someone very close to me, I did not take pictures with them, neither did I eat their cake and food at the hall, in my protest that I did not support him marrying an unbeliever, neither do I support his flambouyant worldly wedding, partly because of the church then, now look at this. How will he see me now? Is it not an outright betrayal?
reply=OLAADEGBU:
If your conviction is not based on the word of God you will be moved by what you see or hear. Let Christ be your rock and you shall not fall.

6]
Colin Adua:

Pastor Kumuyi would have shown us the stuff he was made of(if he was actually made of any stuff). He was there, sat quietly, took pictures with them, probably, drank their wine (are you sure that wine wasnt alcoholic), listened to their songs(I wonder what they were singing about, in that shameless disobedience to a constituted organisation), possibly ate their cake and food. Then flown back to Nigeria and started waving resignation over our faces. He doesnt need to offer resignation, as I read from a paper, he should have submitted a resignation letter, gone home collected all the wedding pictures and videos from the naughty couple and get them burnt, if he is serious.
reply=OLAADEGBU:

The bolded above tells me that you have no fact to buttress your point. Is it the newspapers that made spurious reports that she wore earrings when she did not? You need to get your facts right and not put your faith in what you will later find out to be false reports and assumptions.

6]
Colin Adua:

I find it difficult listening to his messages again, because I keep asking myself, do this man mean all these things he is saying? If not the issue with my PC, I would have gotten all of them deleted from my HDD.
reply=OLAADEGBU:

The devil has got you where he needs you. You've allowed your faith that was built on the promises of God to be destroyed by all the naysayers and gainsayers. It is easier to destroy than to build and you know that the devil has only come to steal, kill and destroy and that's if you allow him.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

6]
Colin Adua:

What has happened to open rebuke, that the church has been preaching? What has happened to showing our faith by our works? What has happened to " a leader's sin is a leading sin" condemnation? Why didnt kumuyi call off or halt that wedding when he saw that girl like that? Why didnt he cancel it and chase those bunch of naughty kids out of the church, as has been done to so many other people in the past (as I heard, I never witnessed any), as the general overseer of the whole branches? He would have welded his cane immediately. A worthy shepherd can never see a sheep getting lost and keep quiet and after it must have gotten lost and eaten he now starts looking for it.
reply=OLAADEGBU:

Again you "heard" who are you hearing from? Are you hearing from the Lord?

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Colin Adua:

If he had chased them out of the church and had postponed the wedding, now I would have been celebrating him, boasting and thumping my chest. And my respect for him would have gone back to 100%. But he sat there and kept quiet, while his kids were disobeying the church, now he is crying foul and rejecting apology. Thats crying when the head is already cut off, medicine after death, an outright double standard, because no one in his right senses can believe that he did not consent to the wedding.
author=OLAADEGBU:
Again, you do not know all the facts. It is wrong for you to wrongly accuse the Man of God of things you are ignorant of. Learn the lesson Mariam learnt and be wise.

6]
Colin Adua:

The high society wedding, has already been done, the pictures are probably somewhere waiting to be enlarged, framed and hanged. Few years from now, the kids will look at them and possibly grin with satisfaction and give themselves high five and thumbs up, that they looked good during their day. And other members will still be shackled down from happiness, freedom and liberty with unnecessary laws.
reply=OLAADEGBU:

If it is the high society wedding that you are after then go ahead and do it. If you think that worldliness and idolatory will make you happy go ahead and do it. Don't give the excuse that the church would not allow it.

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Colin Adua:

Had it been that this happened to another pastor like Lazarus Mouka, deeper life members would have piecesed him. They will talk and talk and talk untill their arses starts talking. Only God knows what they would have said. Now, it has happened to Deeper Life and they are defending their pastor, trying to sweep it under the carpet. Thank God for the media, it would have been cleverly underplayed.
reply=OLAADEGBU:

You say that they are defending their pastor. That means that he wasn't your pastor. Why don't you just say it that you are advertising your pastor?

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Colin Adua:

My respect for him has gone from 70% to -20%. He should be disciplined and suspended for sitting quietly, consenting to that wedding, just like the Jamaican national overseer. If God is still interested in DL, HE will raise somebody far better than him. Nobody is indispensable. Kumuyi should get off there for some time it will help us to recover easily, retaining him as GS for now is still amounting to another double standard, an unfair treatment, since the Jamaican overseer, has been suspended. A lot of pastors in deeper life has been disciplined for an offence far lesser. PLEASE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE BY EXAMPLE.
reply=OLAADEGBU:

For your information. [size=18pt]There have been visions of those who visited heaven and heard what the Lord Jesus Christ testified about W.F. Kumuyi and showed them his mansion. His wife who has moved on to glory was also seen in her splendour[/size]. You are still in the race and you are condemning what the Lord has not condemned. Take heed.

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Colin Adua:

Deeper life should go and put the church in order, making sure that those bunch of over pampered kids, did not give birth before 9 months of their wedding. They should counsel, monitor and nurtur them so that they should not fight and divorce. Because that will finish the already dented image of the church. A woman who can shamelessly, globally and overtly disobey an old constituted organisation, she grew up in, with alacrity, without minding whose ox is gored, doesnt seem like an ideal virtuous, submisssive wife to
reply=OLAADEGBU:

The Lord is building His Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The bride in question is not married to you so you don't have to worry yourself of what becomes of her, if anything at all pray for them. Bitterness and anger will destroy you if you don't let go and let God.

9]
Colin Adua:

Maybe God has seen these lack of integrity, far before we do and raised a new pastor in the person of Lazarus Mouka for himself and us.
reply=OLAADEGBU:

At least we can see where you are coming from and where you are going. You mentioned your pastor unlike others who hide their's in secrecy.

10]
Colin Adua:

I wish, finally someone will just tell me that this is not true, that it didnt happen. I wish I can wake up and find all this a dream.
reply=OLAADEGBU:
When you wake up out of your nightmare you will then face the reality of life and see that all your assumptions are false.

11]
Colin Adua:

Kai, na waoh! am stranded. I never imagined nor expected this from a family we boast of and look up to.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THIS WRITEUP, IF THAT WORLDLY WEDDING DID NOT HAPPEN AFTER ALL.

Colin.

reply=OLAADEGBU:

You better ask God to forgive you for blasphemy and false witnessing before its too late, He will surely forgive.

[/quote]videos posted by OLAADEGBU to butress his Claims below in the link https://www.nairaland.com/1365799/warnings-jesus-christ-churches-nigeria

OLAADEGBU was so sure of this woman that kumuyi is denying now

OLAADEGBU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaakPCO1jwQ

[size=28pt]Linda Ngaujah has messages from our Lord Jesus Christ for Nigerian Pastors and churches. But will people take heed to the Master's call?.......OLAADEGBU[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/1302128/sierra-leonian-came-back-hell

OLAADEGBU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y5DOUBOou4

Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by BERNIMOORE: 10:49am On Sep 11, 2013

truthislight, i need your answer to my question on this site, avoid distractors there just go straight to answer.https://www.nairaland.com/1403841/why-jesus-son-god-not/18#18041482

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:34am On Sep 11, 2013

Truthislight, lets discuss some bible truth here,

isaiah 42:6

6 “I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness,

'have called you', is a past tence here, that one is very sure

...... (a)and will hold Your hand; (b)I will keep You and give (c)You as a covenant to the people

Was God not here assuring jesus his chief servant there in heaven before giving him out as a covenant as revealed by prophet isaiah ?

yes or no?

Christianity Etc › Re: GAY (xtians) Put-off Your Unnatural/deceitfull Lust And Be-born AGAIN, Only WAY by BERNIMOORE(op): 10:26am On Sep 11, 2013

1 Thessalonians 4:3;
New King James Version (NKJV)

[size=18pt]3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from intimate immorality; 4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God[/size]

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:25am On Sep 11, 2013

vindication here at last grin

Christianity Etc › Re: GAY (xtians) Put-off Your Unnatural/deceitfull Lust And Be-born AGAIN, Only WAY by BERNIMOORE(op): 6:41am On Sep 11, 2013

Beretta92: op,u cud as well give up yr feelings for women.that way u'd come close to understanding how gay peeps feel.

are you a christian? answer pls

i can give up everything including my sexual desires to please God because i want to have an inner-peace that im doing the right thing
so as to be counted worthy before him

and if you found yourself practicing homosexual, if you want to remain like that nobody is forcing you, but only if you want INNER-PEACE and assurance that you are in good relationship with God, go and seek orientation and follow the do's and dont's religiously, pray about it and tell God 'i want to serve you, help me out of this' then try to restrain yourself from the influence and dissociate from those who practice it, and you will eventually overcome it,........you will be sanctified!

read what sanctification means

1 Thessalonians 4:1-8
New King James Version (NKJV)

3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should [size=14pt]abstain[/size] from sexual immorality; 4 that [size=14pt]each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust[/size], like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. 7 For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. 8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given[a] us His Holy Spirit.

in the corinthian early church, some who practice vile things of which homosexual is among were able to overcome the desire, and they were sanctified, and washed clean

1 Corinthians 6:9-14
New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 [size=14pt]And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified[/size], but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

seek cleansing now, and dont be deceived by priests/pope/cardinal that need your vote to remain in the office thereby pleasing humans and not God.

Christianity Etc › GAY (xtians) Put-off Your Unnatural/deceitfull Lust And Be-born AGAIN, Only WAY by BERNIMOORE(op): 8:31pm On Sep 10, 2013

IM sorry if i offend many who are confused about this, or those been pampered and deceived to to be complacent and live an unnatural life not designed as a purpose from God. only if you want to be counted righteous before God THERE IS A CHANCE NOW TO CHANGE.

IM I JUDGING UNRIGHTEOUSLY AS SOME WOULD SCREEM TO DOUSE THE TRUTH?

The fact that i did not condemn anyone of those who are gays that there is no chance for them NOW, who am i to say that? but recognising the fact that THERE IS TIME TO put effort and CHANGE ORIENTATION to please God, i judge righteously, bible allows us to judge righteously, because the judgement(righteous or unrighteous) which we judge others, we shall be judged so, im not wishing to condemn anybody but to show them the BENEFIT of forcing theirself out of the unacceptable act BY WORKING CONSCIOUSLY AND DOING EVERYTHING in their powers to do the right thing that God expect of them

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment

jesus gave another chance to a woman that wanted to be stoned to death, her sin was that she was an adulterer, 'go your way and SIN NO MORE, rather than people to see the point jesus was making that is 'never to condemn a sinner TO death' but give another chance, people turned this to be that 'jesus was accomodating sinners even those who are not willing to change should not bother theirself' SIN NO MORE, from jesus to the woman means she should do her uthmost to push herself out of her lust, and God is there to help her to overcome the scourge.

but can we say that jesus does not condemn sinners, but 'giving sinners 2nd chance'?

lets see

Mathew 7:22-24

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

so rather than being complacent, Take the challenge to 'PRACTICALLY PUT EFFORT NECCESARY TO STOP' and be truthfull about it like someone told to stop eating a type of food to live heathier....seek orientation and pray about your resolve. and God will help you to overcome it, the way some of the early christians overcame homosexuality, so as to be presented 'clean to the head of church' jesus christ.

PUT-OFF the 'old man' be renewed in the spirit of your mind, then put-on the 'new man' this calls for CONCIOUS EFFORT.

Ephesians 4:22-24
King James Version (KJV)

22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

James 2:14-26

New King James Version (NKJV)

Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

push yourself to GOD, and try to stop the act.

emphasis on verse 21

21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven".

doing the will of the father, not the will of pastors/pope/cardinal or priests, they are humans who may twist the truth to gain your support so that they stay longer in the office, must you trade your future with God? that one is in your own hand, DECIDE NOW, you are told

thanks, constructive comment welcomed pls!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 6:15pm On Sep 10, 2013*

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 2:54pm On Sep 10, 2013*

@Emusan,

thanks you for your time! i realised that it will be difficult to be neutral without offending anybody here, thus you choose not offend.

we may have opportunity next time to engage each other better. at least it will be noted that it was when you decided to show up again, there was sanity that returned to the thread.

i earlier notified you that i can hold on or stop exchanging words with destractors only on 2 conditions and i kept to that 1, because of you, and 2,because of my good intention, and because you call for end to it, i decided not to reply further insults from one 'itsfacts' and 'benalvino' who twist it to be fear(another invitation to derail the thread i sensed that) , . i also think it will be fair not to derail another man's thread, no wonder the op frosbel; thread owner knew that it will degenerate to this level and left the thread since page 2.

But im so sorry, Bernimoore will not, back out, i was consistent on every single page to date, it is NOT in my charasteristic to give up my good message due to cheap blackmail, ehn, but rather i stay ever focused.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Kumuyi Does Not Recognize 'prophetess' Who Visited Heaven, Hell And Came by BERNIMOORE: 11:04pm On Sep 09, 2013

https://www.nairaland.com/1302128/sierra-leonian-came-back-hell

OLAADEGBU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y5DOUBOou4

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Kumuyi Does Not Recognize 'prophetess' Who Visited Heaven, Hell And Came by BERNIMOORE: 10:54pm On Sep 09, 2013*

belabela: I hope OLAADEGBU can listen to the truth from Pastor Kumuyi.

https://www.nairaland.com/1365799/warnings-jesus-christ-churches-nigeria

OLAADEGBU was so sure of this woman that kumuyi is denying now

OLAADEGBU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaakPCO1jwQ

Linda Ngaujah has messages from our Lord Jesus Christ for Nigerian Pastors and churches. But will people take heed to the Master's call?

OLAADEGBU: Let's read our bible, shall we?

(Luke 23:42-43).

How long did Jesus promise the thief on the cross to be with Him in paradise after death?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:28pm On Sep 09, 2013

@Emusan,

i will reply after you post response to my reply to your post, thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:43am On Sep 09, 2013

@Emusan, waiting for your reply

neutral pls

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 7:46am On Sep 09, 2013*

isaiah 42:6

[size=18pt]6 “I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness[/size],

'have called you', is a past tence here, that one is very sure

...... (a)and will hold Your hand; (b)I will keep You and give (c)You as a covenant to the people

God was assuring jesus his servant here in heaven before giving him out as a covenant as revealed by prophet isaiah, but that you said that this verse 6 is reffering to another prophet of covenant apart from jesus, when i show the fuffilment in mathew word-for-word still surprise me, no fight, my point is very clear that;

taking the verse 1 of isaiah 42 (my servant) into consideration and verse 6, (a)and will hold Your hand; (b)I will keep You and give (3)You as a covenant to the people then, (4 bibles namely; dual rheims, darby bible, wyclyff and Amplified bibles are right to say that jesus is angel, in heaven and angel of covenant in malachi 3:1 as a (spirit)servant in heaven. before he also take on or continue as a (human servant/messenger) on earth. paul too was stressing the servant/messenger in Galatians 4:14
. .. but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus can also read "received me as a servant/messenger of God, even as Christ Jesus" 'EVEN' is in the sub ordinate, but the main clause here is 'received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus' the point has been made. no point stressing outside the main point here. we have different views simple!

thank you for your time, you may have your points too, but i have valid point here that shows that 'it was not on earth that jesus 'took on the form of servant' as always claimed by trinitarians but verse 1,6 of isaiah 42 above revealed the 'what God was telling jesus right there in heaven 'as a spirit servant' and that, 'if' there was a point whereby he was'nt a servant it is not proved,and goes to no issue, then we have to rewrite phil 2:7

it may offend people that i or we call jesus a servant,that does not relegate him or that he is not god/God, god can also serve as servant. and that you call jesus an angel means that he is not powerfull, it does not relegate him , if a single angel kills 185,000 assyrians army in just one night does shows how powerful they are

my discussion with you is sanitised, ask me directly anything you are not clear with, and be neutral, but from the few things we have discussed so far, my point still remain unchanged.

but i see grounds changing, you said isaiah 42 was directed to a prophet when there is no other prophet or messenger of covenant, while some says it was directed to isreal which is totally repugnant and obviously allien to the context of isaiah, philipians 2:7 has changed from taking form of servant WHEN jesus was made in the likeness of man to ' yes, a servant in heaven but that there must be a time when he was not a servant, do you agree with that too, thats so serious!

we have to respectfully devide on issues so no need to drag the discussion into exchange of words as we earlier agreed. be neutral!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:58pm On Sep 08, 2013*

[b]bernimoor[/b]e: 6 “I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness,
And will hold Your hand;I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the Gentiles,

emusan;Anyway statement of God here is a future reference term with this modal verb 'will' given to Isaiah.

what of the phrase 'have called You' is that future reference? you pick the other part, no problem, you are under pressure not to reason with facts on grounds, ok!

bernimoore: God was talking to Jesus right there in the heaven

emusan No! He was talking to a prophet

which prophet was kept as a covent apart from jesus brother? and will hold Your hand;I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people

anyway it is obvous

thanks for your time.

jesus was a servant right there in heaven.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:44pm On Sep 08, 2013*

Jesus has redefined His own prophesy of God puting His own spirit on Him.

John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in Himself, so hath He(Father) given to the Son to have life in Himself" Emphasis added...here Jesus make it clear that He(Jesus) didn't has life before when He was with God as His WORD...notice the phrase "Hath He given".

jesus redefine what? see what jesus mean it was in verse 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, [size=18pt]The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do[/size]: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

these verses 19-26 is not talking about any redefination but, ressurection of dead, in 28,29

we have to devide on this, thanks for your time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Heb. 1:5, 'today I Have Begotten You' JESUS Beign 'begotten' Means ADOPTION by BERNIMOORE(op): 11:30pm On Sep 08, 2013*

Emusan]

I'm sorry the emphasis cover thine own self I suppose to inserted it after thine own self.

Ofcourse that's the major mission of Jesus Christ to reconcille us to God so that we can see the glory of God.

enphasis are ADDED BY PEOPLE LIKE US;ME AND YOU,AND NOT PART OF THE BIBLE WE CAN FORM OUR OWN BASIS IGNORING THEM, enphasis can be misleading pls, believers are one with God the same way with jesus, you have not further prove anything using bible, so we devide on that, thanks for your time.

Maybe, but to me the glory of Jesus who He has with the Father before the foundation of world differ from the one God gave Him as reconsillation to Himself.

but, you cant prove the difference in glory? it is still the same greek word used, anyway i appreciate your time, thanks. but i need further facts if we must continue

The voice of God. The WORD only became flesh (not that God ceases to speak) and has every attributes of God Himself because God's word is also God.

did you even note that you did not mention 'part of Gods voice' but the voice as a whole you did mention, grin

anyway thanks for your time.

Is not as the word of BIBLE was not found in the scripture. But you can't compare infinite being with that human which is the basis of finding God by our forefathers
someone whom the whole worlds was framed by His word(Jesus) so that things we seen i.e sand, water, air e.t.c was not made from things which do appeared" Heb 11:3 Infact He is more than Omni-potent self.

the fact that Omni-potent is not found in the bible shows that it is nulled and void. it is alllien to the bible.

So you mean God is limited in power?

because bible did not use Omni-potent does not mean God is limited in power, but when he restrains use of his power in some situation, what do you call that? Cow-ard-potent? leave that i beg

The word only became flesh. If you speak ones does it mean you can't talk again/are you speaking ones since you were born? If you have power to change your word into something, does it mean you won't talk again?

then as many time we speak as many words we utter, which means that we have 'uncountable words' uncountable jesus and not one word singular=jesus, lets leave that brother we may offend ourself, thanks for your time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Heb. 1:5, 'today I Have Begotten You' JESUS Beign 'begotten' Means ADOPTION by BERNIMOORE(op): 11:09pm On Sep 08, 2013*

@Emusan

He must receives commandment from God because He has become a flesh.

yet God cannot do anything without him, yet God issue a command without him and it came to be, brother thats confusing, no fight, but let us devide on this

No where in the Bible fallen Angels was called sons of God.

Also No where in the bible satan was called angel! true or false? prove it now

Theses are human being not fallen angels

can you prove that? pls do if you can!

@BERN pls always notice the words in the Bible especially the way sentence has been constructed...no offence pls.

The beginning of verse 7 made it clear of the point the writter tried to bring out here....with the adverb 'EVEN'. This is another place you'll misuses this Word 'EVEN'. The Sin being commited by these fallen Angels is liking to what happened in sodom and gomorrah not referring to Angles as sons of God because you link it with that Gen. 'EVEN (excatly) as' notice this word anytime you come accross it in the Bible. It's just simple English.

wonders shall never end, whaaaat? 'Even' is the point here? grin

to stress ' even' as topic here, and say that i misuse it when the emphasis is on 'those who leave their abode to marry humans' tells me that this is a signal to disagreement btw us, i cant believe that you can leave facts to pursue 'even' anyway thanks for your time. we part here peacefully. no comment!

[size=18pt]the evidence that "the sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6 are fallen angels is substantial. By their sexual immorality, these angels produced offspring which were strong and violent

but what i need here is chapter 6, that is “And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day
[/size]
Jude 1:6-7
“And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day. [size=4pt]Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:46pm On Sep 08, 2013

Emusan, if you dont understand anything, ask me directly, dont assume anything before posting!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:37pm On Sep 08, 2013

we cannot question Why God does not inspire his scripture writers to include animals as 'messenger' in bible's own aggellos

Animals are categorised with humans in my post 2(#g)above

BERNIMOORE:The two distinct categories of forms are;

1, phisical [b]visible/beign/form/nature;human/animals= they breath air, and so the air/wind/breeze they breath sustains their body,keep it alive.

2, supernatural beigns/form/nature; God,angels,word,satan/demons= who are resides in air,breeze/wind and invisible

Animals belong to the nature in (1) above, to the extent that they share the phisical nature of humans,AND they 'breathe' air/ which is 'invisible' and depend on breathing the invicible 'air' to suvive,

no wonder the book of ecclsts righly says this

Ecclesiastes 3:18-21

"sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.” 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?
but then, animals were not listed or enjoy the benefit of being listed amomg 'bible messengers'

[size=14pt]conclusion on why dogs and pigeons or animals are not listed amomg 'bible messengers'

it is simply because the 'bible messengers' are those whose task is to declare good news of Gospel, different from 'other messengers' sent on errands not connected to the Gospel[

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