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PoliticsRe: Group Issues 7-day Ultimatum To Governor Fashola To Arrest, Prosecute T.B Joshua by BERNIMOORE:
sonssyo: SOUTH AFRICANS THAT CANNOT TAKE CARE OFTHERE CITIZENS,ALL DIS WHILE THEY HV BEEN BRINGING MONEY BACK.DEY DID NTCOMPLAIN,BCS OF DIS EVRYONE. WANTS TO CLAIM DAMAGES.WHY IS IT DAT NIGERIANS LIK LIES. D MAN DID NT WANT TO SPEAK WIT ANYONE WEN D PRESS CAME. DAT MAN IS REALLY FACING HARD TIME
you liar! the man did not want to talk to press, but he tried to lie to us that the incident was minor and taken care of on his tweeter account
PoliticsRe: Group Issues 7-day Ultimatum To Governor Fashola To Arrest, Prosecute T.B Joshua by BERNIMOORE:
Lovine: If the SA sue the prophet so what? Shall we because they want to sue him run away from the planet? Who has sued the President, the Minister of works, etc. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, DID HE KILL ANYONE? Even if he is jailed, that's part of our persecution of being children of God. With much persecution we shall inherit the Kingdom. Ask your self who killed those beloved saints?
i think one question you should ask yourself is that, did Tb joshua not try to cover-up? did he admit to the fact that there was death at all? the message he tweeted on the official acct revealed that; he refused to mention those dead, but rather play down on the issue by declaring few injured have been recued and taking care of. that alone is a crime in itself, that is trying to cover up the magnitude of the tragedy, and left for him and followers like you(@lovine) the church security would have not allow people to get to know about death of about 115 people, and that brought about bribing journalists to 'kill the story' while the government will 'do the needfull' but south african presidency says NOOO! they prove TB JOSHUA a shameful liar, read joshua tweet below;

http://www.nigeriafilms.com/news/28983/64/tb-joshua-scoan-confirms-building-collapse-picture.html
PoliticsRe: Group Issues 7-day Ultimatum To Governor Fashola To Arrest, Prosecute T.B Joshua by BERNIMOORE: 1:45pm On Sep 26, 2014
phransix147

I hope u are educated to an extent so I don't waste my time... If u would listen... TB Joshua can't do that without consulting a structural engineer, am not exonorating him but Bulk of the blame goes to that Engineer that encouraged him and told him its possible to add more floors without considering the fact that its going to be adding more load both dead and live load to the existing structure without adequate support for the more added load... E.g a 5 yrs old carries 10 litre of water on his head comfortably u said since he carried 10 he sud be able to carry 15kg u kept adding till the boy falls due to the fact u have exceeded the max. Load he can carry. Also you can blame the Procurement and Project Manager for not making use of quality building materials or maintaining standard Mix ratio or substituting rod sizes because of negligence or trying to save cost a beam or column earmarked for 32mm high yield in the plan they used 16mm... These are the thing you should know T.B Joshua is no Structural Engineer.
Classyzi
Tb Joshua should not be arrested. He is not a builder, not a structural engineer or architect. Infact, he is an illitrate as far as building a house is concern. When has it become a crime to engage in building a house. So why should one suggest dat he should be arrested. The person dat should be arrested instead is de engineer/contractor dat was doing de constr. 6deckin or whatever, de engr. Should've known what to do to fortify, enhance and strengthen existing foundation before embacking on addition. I presume de engr. Is licenced to build, if dat is true, then de govt and authorities concern should come into de issue for granting licence to quacks. As a matter of fact, Tb Josh should be adequately compensated. Our human right activist should learn to use their wisdom and not luking for opportunities to estort money from people. May de souls of those dat lost their lives in de incidence rest in peace.
what a sick comment? lets talk about pre-construction of the added storey buildings, Tb joshua and any illiterate who is eligible to own a house knew that before you embark on structural activivity or enhancements of buildings, you need permission first, this is a personal responsibility of the 'owner' and 'not the builder' You guys failed to tell us that Tb joshua seek permission from the government to add(+) to the existing two storey, which he evidently did not do!

why will tb joshua ensure that he takes the right visa before travelling abroad so as not to be embarrased, but was too illiterate to take the right visa to add additional building?

why do you people now wants us to see a man that foresee a danger before it happens even predicting game results, but was blind to know that he need to obtain a valid document/or was deceived? so we should treat him now as an ordinary ignorant man since his power to foresee may be suffering from short circuit at times, i think some people need to reexamine their thinking faculty!

even biblically he was wrong, jesus expect his followers to take critical steps even in building;

luke 14:29; jesus said

28"For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it?


this is important because

Genesis 9:5

5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.
Christianity EtcRe: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by BERNIMOORE: 4:37pm On Sep 25, 2014
WinsomeX: Exactly.

I thought so too .
latest

https://www.nairaland.com/1918340/story-paul-grundy#26609101
Christianity EtcRe: My Story By Paul Grundy by BERNIMOORE: 4:26pm On Sep 25, 2014
honeychild: I know na wink wink lipsrsealed

our resident JW troll!

I just respond sometimes for the sake of some people who may think he has something to say!!
jared007: 8:11am On Sep 13th ....don't be silly winsomeX the pharisee. The gospel and d church is to convert a sinner and not a holier than thou hypocrate like u. Do not dwell on d past deeds of yooguyz. Do u know if he has repented? Yooguyz my advice is dat u change ur nairaland monicker.
https://www.nairaland.com/1892195/truth-behind-christ-embassy-healing/13#26264055


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Time registered: September 24, 2014
Christianity EtcRe: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by BERNIMOORE: 4:21pm On Sep 25, 2014
jared007: jared007: 8:11am On Sep 13th ....don't be silly winsomeX the pharisee. The gospel and d church is to convert a sinner and not a holier than thou hypocrate like u. Do not dwell on d past deeds of yooguyz. Do u know if he has repented? Yooguyz my advice is dat u change ur nairaland monicker.
https://www.nairaland.com/1892195/truth-behind-christ-embassy-healing/13#26264055
Christianity EtcRe: My Story By Paul Grundy by BERNIMOORE: 1:22pm On Sep 25, 2014
@honeychild

honeychild: @paulGrundy

I am always saddened when I read accounts like this. It's sad when human imperfections or organizational issues cause people to stop being one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

I don't know about every witness. But I have always viewed our organisation as an imperfect one, made up of ordinary people trying to do their best to serve Jehovah.

I have never felt the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses is led or inspired by the Holy Spirit in the same way the writers of the Bible were, for instance. So I know they have made mistakes in the past, and will probably make a lot more in the future.

Perhaps because I was not raised a witness, I have an advantage. I made a conscious thought to become one, having carefully compared what they have to offer me as against other denominations. I became one of Jehovah's Witnesses because they taught me these truths from the Bible.

For me, the key tenets of being one of Jehovah's Witnesses is this.

1. Jehovah is the Most High God. He has no equal. Jesus is his second in command.

2. Jehovah is not going to destroy this earth. He is going to transform it into a paradise earth.

3. When people die they do not go to heaven or hell. They lie unconscious until the resurrection.

4. It's the sacred obligation of every Christian to evangelize .

For me that is all. The Governing Body are imperfect humans. My local elders are imperfect humans. I didn't become a witness of Jehovah because of them. Until I am convinced from the Bible that the above tenets are unscriptural I will remain one of Jehovah's people.
you will be surprised to know who you are talking with! grin
Christianity EtcRe: My Story By Paul Grundy by BERNIMOORE: 1:17pm On Sep 25, 2014
paulGrundy: I am the author of jwfacts.com and here is my story:


I was raised a Jehovah's Witness by loving parents. My grandmothers, an aunty and uncle and some cousins were Jehovah's Witnesses. After I left home, my father spent twenty years as a Circuit Overseer and my sister and her husband spent time in Bethel prior to having children. I grew up in a congregation where many older Witnesses expressed the strictly fundamental viewpoint that Jehovah personally directed the Organization and soon would destroy anyone that was not a Jehovah's Witness. As promoted in the Watchtower, I thought I was never going to die; I did not even expect to finish school prior to Armageddon. However, Armageddon had not arrived by the time I matriculated so, unusually for Witnesses in the 1980's, my parents were open-minded enough to encourage me to obtain a University degree. I felt I was able to justify obtaining a higher education by studying part-time whilst regular pioneering. I did not end up doing a professional year, as after university I went straight to Bethel.

Being gregarious, I came to know personally over a thousand Witnesses. What always bothered me is that many of these Witnesses were doing shocking things, and many "worldly" people I met were very nice. I could not reconcile why God will kill the worldly ones and save the Witnesses simply for a label. The worldly people generally knew nothing of Jehovah's Witnesses, so they could hardly be judged evil rejecters of Jehovah.

It was my time at Bethel that convinced me that the Watchtower Society does not have Jehovah's direction. In 1994, a Bethelite friend of mine became an elder, whilst he was committing adultery. It was later discovered that this had been going on for 7 years. This proved to me that God's holy spirit is not involved in Watchtower congregational appointments. Though weakening my faith, I did not know enough about Watchtower history or alternate doctrinal viewpoints to know whether the Watchtower at least taught the closest truth about the Bible. I was too afraid to find out, afraid that if I read anything not from the Watchtower I would be influenced by apostates, afraid that if I left I might be wrong and would die at Armageddon, afraid of being shunned by my family and friends and very afraid of entering the world knowing no one, and believing that the world is an evil and depressing place to live.

In 1994, I left Bethel feeling that the Watchtower may not contain truth. I started to wonder what would happen to the Organization in 20 years time when the last of the 1914 Generation died out without Armageddon coming. I could not imagine the Watchtower shutting up shop in 2014 saying, "well the last one has died, we were wrong", so expected a new Generation doctrine would be formulated. It was still quite a shock when this occurred in 1995, and I took this to indicate that the Governing Body are not confident that the end is really just about to happen. However, out of fear of the loneliness of leaving I still chose to attend meetings. The constant derogatory statements about the world and worldly people began to irritate me and I started to miss more meetings, until by 2004 I was almost inactive and could see no point in life either.

It was at that time that the elders started to pressure me to reactivate myself, wanting to know what my problem was. I told them that I had little faith so they told me to prove the truth to myself by studying more. It finally dawned on me that I already knew more about Watchtower doctrine and policy than most people did yet I had never properly studied the Bible outside the single point of view of the Watchtower. I started to research from numerous sources. This all happened at the time of the Tsunami in December 2004, so one of the first subjects I looked at was earthquakes. I cannot express enough the shock I felt at the deception in the Watchtower in this regard, as the (so-called) increase in earthquakes was one of the foundation points of my faith.

The next few months I became consumed by research and the shock and disappointment with the Watchtower Society was well compensated for by the amazement I felt at finally being able to think and learn. Most Witnesses question the validity of at least some Watchtower doctrine, but as they cannot openly question any Watchtower doctrine cognitive dissonance arises. I had spent my entire life suppressing contrary thoughts and regurgitating prescribed Watchtower beliefs. To finally be able to evaluate information rather than blindly input it was quite literally mind blowing and I now see freedom from mind control as vitally important.

I stopped attending meetings early 2005 and attempted to slip out. Leaving was exceptionally difficult. I went through post-traumatic shock, becoming very emotional and finding it difficult to concentrate, losing my job in the process and experiencing two very difficult years financially. I continued to devote myself to researching Watchtower doctrine, feeling the need to prove I had not been "blinded by Satan" or misled by my own sinful ulterior motives. The more research I did the angrier I became, and determined to help my family see through the manipulation and falsehood. I did not understand the power of mind control, and rather than assist them, all that occurred was to create alienation and resentment.

I started to locate or find out about all my childhood witness associates. I found that of 40 people over half were disfellowshipped. Some had barely been contacted by their parents for 20 years. Others were racked by fear of Armageddon. An examination of Watchtower publisher records identifies that Witnesses have one of the highest turnover rates of any religion, with 100'000's adversely affected through shunning. Other statistics show that Witness divorce rate is on par with the general population, they have the lowest level of education and lowest income levels of any established religion in developed countries.

I posted jwfacts.com, wanting to assist people find objective and factual information in an easy to follow format, in the hope of helping other Witnesses avoid the confusion I felt for the 10 years prior to leaving. I have found many that leave need help to get over the ingrained guilt and fear that results from being raised a Witness. It is also important for Bible studies to have both sides of the Watchtower story prior to baptism. It was difficult teaching myself to present objective information. However, I believe to be most effective the information I have presented must be accurate and honest and I always look forward to emails from people that help me rectify any errors.

Originally, jwfacts.com was anonymous, but about 6 months after my last meeting and the site going live the elders found out about it. They arrived one night at my doorstep, advising that I was to attend a meeting on the charges of apostasy. I wrote a letter requesting that instead my baptism be annulled; presenting that as a minor I was not in a position to make such an important commitment to an organization, one with lifetime ramifications. They refused to accept my reasoning and went ahead with forming the judicial committee. This meeting was traumatic and eye-opening. In my request for annulment were a number of points outlining why I could not accept Jehovah's Witnesses taught truth, but throughout the meeting, they refused to discuss a single issue raised. It was readily apparent that there was no concern about whether I still believed the Bible or God, rather "did I accept the Watchtower Society to be Jehovah's Organization?" It was announced shortly afterwards that I was "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

The next six months became even more emotionally traumatic. Overnight, I was cut off from my family and network of friends. Yet at the same time, I experienced an incredible high. I was 36, and for the first time finally felt real, alive - Free! I had not understood how depressed I had been for many years as a Jehovah's Witness. I could now see beauty in the world around and in "worldly" people. I now felt connected, rather than an observer. I was free from the perpetual negativity the Watchtower instills, needing to reconcile everything as the evil Last Days, filled with evil people God must destroy. However, I could not overcome the deep hurt of losing family or stop my mind constantly replaying what I could do to change things. The only way I was able to control my thinking was to spend time with a Cognitive Behavioural Therapist.

Another difficulty with leaving was that I realised that I could not trust any of my beliefs. Virtually everything I believed had been dictated from birth. In my research, I had come to understand the way the Watchtower presents fallacious logic to manipulate the conclusion readers' draw. It became necessary to learn how to evaluate information, and then overtime re-evaluate every belief, moral and ideal.

I am strongly against any religion that manipulates its members and look forward to a time when atrocities are no longer done in the name of religion, whether they are in the form of terrorist acts, religious wars, violence, shunning family members, refusing medical treatment or just control of beliefs and emotions through fear and guilt. I am optimistic for the minimisation of injustice in the name of religion through education, seeing the Internet as the tool to increase availability of education over the coming decades.

During the years that I was questioning things I had no desire to bring children into this world. Since moving on I now see family as an important part of life and so after 10 years of marriage and at the age of 38 I had my first baby - Zac. Looking after a baby and watching him change daily has been the greatest joy of my life.
Mr paulgrundy

i want to to truly believe that you are a honest man, and that your posts are true, whole truth and nothing but the truth! so as to be able to trust your post

kindly answer this question honestly, here we go

1, Have you ever deny ownership of jwfacts before until you are faced with evidence? yes or no

2, after you parted with the jehovahs witnesses, do you still claim to be 'a serving' elder when you are not? yes or no

waiting pls
Christianity EtcRe: does The Jehovah Witness Still Forbids Blood Transfusion In This Century? by BERNIMOORE: 12:59pm On Sep 25, 2014
paulGrundy: @BERNIMORE/truthislight/loveroftruth,

The Watchtower stance on blood is Scripturally inaccurate on several levels:

1. The Bible refers to eating blood from animals killed for food, not blood transfusions that do not result in the death of the donor.

2. Paul showed that Acts 15 was only binding when it would result in stumbling (1 Corithians cool

3. The Rabbinic principle of Pikuach Nefesh (appealed to by Jesus at Mat 12:11) dictates that the Law be superseded if it would result in loss of life

My two cents
Yooguyz (now known as paulgrundy) welcome to the forum!
Christianity EtcRe: does The Jehovah Witness Still Forbids Blood Transfusion In This Century? by BERNIMOORE: 12:53pm On Sep 24, 2014
Ukutsgp: tell me that i am not correct. the doctrine not doing blood transfusion is incorrect. get that.
you are not correct until you build your own case, and match them one on one with their defence, stop copying Mandi Fry Article since 1993 http://www.cmf.org.uk/publications/content.asp?context=article&id=461 ,

bolded below

Gen 9:5 (Niv)

And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being
.

why will God demand an accounting for 'your own lifeblood'?
Christianity EtcRe: does The Jehovah Witness Still Forbids Blood Transfusion In This Century? by BERNIMOORE: 12:30pm On Sep 24, 2014
Boomark: Bro i should be the one using that scripture to preach. It is the wisdom of man that made Moses hit the rock twice when he was asked to do it one, Saul gathered animals for burnt offering thinking he will please God, when he was told not to spare any. The same with people adding transfusion when they are commanded not to Eat. You see how men add their wisdom?
two commands we have on this issue so far

1, Not to not eat the blood, because the blood is the life (Deuteronomy 12:23)

2, Blood must be drained out, and cover with earth(dust) storage of blood was not permitted or mentioned, but rather it should be poured and cover with dust! Leviticus 17:13
"'Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth,


it will be noted that you only relied your argument with 1 above, while 2 above overrules transfusion!



Now that animal and humans have the same/equal life, why would you kill an animal for food but you can't kill a human? Since what happens to Man happens to animal.
To the extent that you drain the animal blood and immidiately cover it with dust, Deuteronomy 12:23
But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat
.

why cant we kill fellow human? its because it was a command not to do so, humans are 'ceremonially' dubbed Gods image, but still sustain its life with 'lifeblood' ;

Gen 9:6(Niv) “Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed
;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind
.



You didn't tell me if it is wrong to draw your blood out and put it back. huh
How do you want to achieve transfusing your own blood without first? 'storing the blood' what bible says

Gen 9:5 (Niv)

And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

why will God demand 'an accounting' for your own 'lifeblood'?

so, What we derive from Gen 9:6 above

God will surely demand an accounting for your lifeblood

taking into consideration this directions

Deuteronomy 12:16

16"............ you are to pour it(blood) out on the ground like water.

Leviticus 17:13
".................. must drain out the blood and cover it with earth,


compare Eekiel and Job below

Ezekiel 24:7
'For the blood she shed is in her midst: She poured it on the bare rock; she did not pour it on the ground, where the dust would cover it.

Job 16:18 O earth, cover not you my blood, and let my cry have no place.



based on these aforementioned and clear bible verses, can we really be castigating jehovahs witnesses who are trying their best to follow what is in 2 Peter 3: 13,14

2 Peter 3: 13,14

13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him
.

except we want to judge them outside the scripture
Christianity EtcRe: does The Jehovah Witness Still Forbids Blood Transfusion In This Century? by BERNIMOORE: 1:07am On Sep 24, 2014
Ukutsgp: Biblical arguments

The Jehovah's Witnesses' claim that their
prohibition of blood transfusions has a scriptural
basis relies primarily on three passages: Genesis
9:4, Leviticus 17:11-14 and Acts 15:20, 29. It is
based on the premise that a blood transfusion
involves the use of blood as a nutrient, or food,
and is therefore comparable to eating blood.
As regards Genesis 9:4, the Society teaches that
this refers to a prohibition on eating blood which
applies to all mankind, Jew or Gentile. It
seems that the verse is referring to the eating of
animals which have been killed without being
bled. Also the very use of the word lifeblood (NIV)
emphasises the close relationship between blood
and life. Throughout history many pagans
believed that by eating life that is `in the blood
(Lv 17:11 ) they could increase their own life-
force. This verse serves to correct that
misconception and to remind us that life is the
precious and mysterious gift of God: 'Just as I
gave you the green plants, I now give you
everything'. (Gn 9:3).

Indeed the Society's teaching is inconsistent with
their own teaching that:

`Jehovah's Witnesses (spiritual Jews) do not
oppose the people's (spiritual Gentiles) use of
transfusion, but allow each one to decide for
himself what he can conscientiously do. The
lsraelites felt bound to abide by God's law of
forbidding the eating of meat with blood
congealed in it, but still they had no objection
whatever to those outside God's organisation
doing it, and even supplied unbled carcasses to
outsiders who regularly ate such things
anyway.'
So does Genesis 9:4, as part of the Noahic Law,
apply to all or not? Deuteronomy 14:21 would
initially seem to contradict the Genesis position,
stating as it does that an Israelite could sell the
undrained carcass of an animal to a Gentile.
However, that is not necessarily the case 'if the
Noahic Covenant is seen as superseded by the
Old Covenant. The Society itself states:
`... After Jesus died, true worshippers were no
longer obliged to keep the Mosaic law.' (Rom
6:14, 10:4, Col 2:13,14). 9
thereby implying that they are no longer bound by
the dietary restrictions of Leviticus and negating
their own argument (as regards Lv 17:11-14). In
any case Leviticus 17:11-14 clearly refers to the
blood of sacrificial animals, requiring the death of
the animal, in contrast to blood transfusion where
the donor retains their life.
The blood shed in such sacrifices was sacred,
epitomising the life of the sacrificial victim, and
therefore had to be treated with respect. The
blood of the sacrifices pointed forward to the
blood of the Lamb of God, who obtained for his
people `eternal redemption' (Heb 9:12)for `without
the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness'.
(Heb 9:22)
Also, both Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:11-14
relate to the blood of animals and birds and bear
no reference to human blood, or indeed to that of
fish which, interestingly, is not prohibited by
Witnesses.

The final reference which the Society uses to
justify its position is Acts 15:20,29, where the
Jerusalem Council instructs believers to abstain
from...blood'. The Society argues that this
prohibition is a permanent injunction to all
Christians against taking blood into their body in
any form. Once again however there is no
suggestion that the Bible is referring to human,
as well as to animal, blood. Also this is clearly an
edict to do with peace between Jews and Gentiles
in a specific situation where the Jews were
particularly repulsed by what they saw as the
Gentiles' violations of Divine directives. In this
instance the Gentiles were merely obeying rules
which they did not perceive as necessary to
obtain salvation simply in order to increase the
chances of the Jews becoming believers. As Paul
says, for the sake of the Gospel, `I have become
all things to all men so that by all possible
means I might save some' (1 Cor 9:19-23).

Bergman' states that `the Watchtower position is
biblically indefensible' and that would certainly
seem to be the case.
Ukuts gp you copy other people's work from another site, compare what you post with this http://www.cmf.org.uk/publications/content.asp?context=article&id=461
Christianity EtcRe: does The Jehovah Witness Still Forbids Blood Transfusion In This Century? by BERNIMOORE: 12:51am On Sep 24, 2014
Ukutsgp: in blood transfusion, the blood is not eaten. ur argument is nt valid
you are the one forcing a 'one way treatment to this issue, apart from the law not to eat, we have another law 'as to what must be done to the blood,.....that is it should be beried like dead humans

in blood transfusion, you have to store the blood before transfusion......is there any scriptural basis for storing blood which is regarded as the life? i doubt if you can provide one! Deuteronomy 12:23
But be sure you do not eat the blood
, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat.


Deuteronomy 12:16

16"Only you shall not eat the blood
; you are to pour it out on the ground like water.

Leviticus 17:13
"'Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must
drain out the blood and cover it with earth,






also what goes into d mouth cannot defile a man
. are you saying that jesus and the writer of the book of acts peter were contradictory?
Christianity EtcRe: does The Jehovah Witness Still Forbids Blood Transfusion In This Century? by BERNIMOORE:
Boomark: My brother it is common sense that taking ur blood out and putting it back doesn't change anything.

It is also common sense that the blood you are going to pour out like water is not Human blood but that of animal.
bolded above, talking about common sense and scriptural doctrine you allude to wisdom through the use of sense

here is what bible says about that and why we cannot solely rely on wisdom;

1 corinthians 1:20,21

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe





It is also stated that your not going to be killing a Human being but Animal.

Nothing was written against taking your blood out and putting it back.
wait, you are trying to differentiate humans blood as superior (scriptural) from animals blood, but yet you could not provide a scriptural basis if the blood is the life of animals(according to the bible), and people of isreal are directed NOT not to eat the life(blood) with the meat according to the bible (note that i am not saying that eating is same as transfusion, but i am building my own argument from what scripture says about human and animal lives, humans and animal blood)


Deuteronomy 12:23
But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat
.

striking similarities between human and animal life(spirit)

Eclesiastes 3:19,20

19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?[/size]


taking your blood out and putting it back in the face of scriptural evidence above, Deuteronomy 12:23 'because the blood is the life'

Eclesiastes 3:19,20 they(man and animals) all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals[/b]
, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 [b]Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth[/size]

you can see that they are still very consistent with the bible dictates! and i think doing everything within the scriptural rules to be 'found spotless' in Gods eye matter most.
Christianity EtcRe: does The Jehovah Witness Still Forbids Blood Transfusion In This Century? by BERNIMOORE: 2:23pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: Blood is like the body's transportation system.
As blood circulates, it delivers oxygen and
nutrients throughout the body. It also collects
waste products and carries them to the organs
responsible for making sure the wastes leave the
body.

Whole blood is a
mixture of cells
and liquid, and
each part has a
specific job:

Red blood

cells carry
oxygen to
the body's
tissues and
remove
carbon
dioxide.

White blood

cells help
defend the
body against
infection by
producing antibodies, which help destroy
foreign germs in the body.

Platelets, the smallest blood cells, help to
clot the blood and control bleeding.
Plasma is the liquid part of whole blood
and contains a mixture of water, proteins,
electrolytes, carbohydrates, cholesterol,
hormones, and vitamins.

A blood transfusion can make up for a loss of
blood or any part of the blood. Although whole
blood can be transfused, it is rarely used.
Instead, more specific parts of blood are
transfused as needed. Red blood cells, the most
commonly transfused part, are used to increase
the blood's ability to carry oxygen and prevent
fatigue and other complications.

Transfusions take 1 to 4 hours, depending on
how much blood and what type is given, and no
special recovery time is needed.
Most transfusions are done in a hospital, but can
be done elsewhere when necessary. In most
cases, the blood comes from volunteer donors.
The blood of the donor, which is carefully
screened to ensure its safety, must match the
blood of the person receiving it.

Why Blood Transfusions Are Performed

The three main reasons why someone may need a
blood transfusion are:

1. Loss of blood during surgery or from an
injury or an illness.

2. An inability to make enough blood. Some
illnesses and treatments can impair the
bone marrow's ability to make blood (e.g.,
chemotherapy decreases production of new
blood cells).

3. To prevent complications from an existing
blood or bleeding disorder, such as sickle
cell disease, thalassemia, or anemia caused
by kidney disease, hemophilia, or von
Willebrand disease.
you seem to lost this argument when you cannot provide where God direct blood of anykind to used or stored outside his istruction that blood should be pour out on the ground like waterAND cover it with earth.

Deuteronomy 12:16

16"Only you shall not eat the blood; you are to pour it out on the ground like water.

Leviticus 17:13
"'Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth,
Christianity EtcApst Paul Rose A Man Who Doze-off, Fell From 3 Storey While Listening To Sermon by BERNIMOORE(op):
Eutychus who to went to a church gathering where paul was preaching in a house; upstair 'from the third story and the man fell from the window and died, but paul did wish him 'rest in peace' as in the case of scoan, or look for excuse, paul went there and fell on him, and he was put alive again and the people were happy

Acts 20:7-12New International Version (NIV)


7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting. 9 Seated in a window was a young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. When he was sound asleep, he fell to the ground from the third story and was picked up dead. 10 Paul went down, threw himself on the young man and put his arms around him. “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “He’s alive!” 11 Then he went upstairs again and broke bread and ate. After talking until daylight, he left. 12 The people took the young man home alive and were greatly comforted


our own prophet Tb joshua is yet to even make an attempt like paul? and try to heal those wounded or even try to raise the dead? where is the miracle? where? this is a litmus test that expose the hidden truth begging for answer, as you can see, in the bible there was an attempt by paul, are we asking too much to expect an attempt from joshua too?
Christianity EtcRe: does The Jehovah Witness Still Forbids Blood Transfusion In This Century? by BERNIMOORE: 1:55pm On Sep 23, 2014
Boomark: Only if some certain men would know that [b]taking out their blood and putting it back into the blood stream is different for eating or drinking their blood.[/b]

Pour alcohol into another alcohol and nothing will happen. Pour it into ur stomach and something will happen. Let alcohol go where it belongs and nothing will happen. It affects the blood and does not belong there.
you cannot provide a basis for this in the scripture (bold in your quote)....and i can say that is what you think!

i think this topic is one of those i am still not fully clear about, but i think those who chose not to take blood transfusion are still acting within what the scriptures says and directs about blood, and their decision should be respected

for example, Lets start by what was written about how to treat blood in the bible:

when i was discusing this topic with the jehovahs witneses, they pointed out Gods direction to the isreal as to what to do with blood, that is he directs the blood to be poured out like water and cover with earth

Deuteronomy 12:16

16"Only you shall not eat the blood; you are to pour it out on the ground like water.

Leviticus 17:13
"'Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth,


apart from avoiding eating of blood, God directs how it should be treated......cover with earth!

nothing was further said about storage of blood of anykind! man or animal

The greek word used for 'abstain' Acts 15:29

; to hold oneself {off} that {is} refrain: - abstain.http://www.newjerusalem.org/Strongs/G567?from=Chapter(Acts.15).Verse(Acts.15.20).Strongs(G567)

and moreover i think they are trying to rely on 2 peter 3, vs 13,14

2 Peter 3: 13,14

13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him
.
PoliticsRe: Seized Aircraft: CAN Attacks El Rufai, Lai Mohammed by BERNIMOORE: 8:01pm On Sep 21, 2014
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Christianity EtcThose Blaming The Lasg For Synagogue Church Tragedy Should Read This Conspiracy by BERNIMOORE(op): 5:07pm On Sep 20, 2014
Alhaji Umar Manko, who is the Commissioner of Police for Lagos State, Nigeria has come out to say that the alleged Boko Haram confession that took place at the Synagogue church with TB Joshua’s church on Sunday(MARCH 9) was a complete joke of the highest order.

Umar said that Prophet T.B. Joshua has no proof that to show that the confession of a man by the name Mustapha from Adamawa State was a Boko Haram member, let alone prove that he even attempted to bomb his church at Ikotun, Lagos. Umar made this clear two days ago while honouring the newly promoted Policemen in Lagos.

Funny thing did that the so-called Boko Haram who confessed there did not even sound in any way like some one from Adamawa state. Please deliver Shekau and we will know you are serious. http://www.freshgist.com.ng/boko-haram-member-confessed-synagogue-church-fake/


March 10, 2014
Boko Haram Member Confesses Bomb Plan In SCOAN Yesterday!



A young man who goes by the name Mustapha, was said to have confessed yesterday during the service before Prophet T.B. Joshua and the entire congregation at the at Synagogue Church Of All Nations.Mustapha said that he was a Boko Haram member and comes from Yola, Adamawa state. He said he did not come alone, but with four others to blow up the church and destroy souls. According to Mustapha’s story, when he and his colleagues got to the church’s junction, they had to look for where to keep the bomb, so they approached a mallam who was selling sweets and cigarette around the area, but that the mallam refused.
So they decided to go into a nearby restaurant to eat and monitor the service. He said that while they watched the LIVE broadcast from the Emmanuel TV, Prophet T.B. Joshua began to pray for the viewers at home, and at that instant all the five of them became confused. It was like the Prophet T.B. Joshua was there with them at the restaurant and laying hands on their faces.
The other four of his members he said ran away and leaving him behind as he could not run for reasons he could not describe. In his confession yesterday, he said he has been seeing Prophet T.B. Joshua ever since that day appearing to him in his dreams and warning him to stop killing people, and began asking Prophet T.B. Joshua to help him.


Prophet T.B. Joshua on the other hand said that God gave him the warning of this danger some weeks ago and ordering him to go into intense prayer. The Prophet said that if the congregation had looked at him, they would notice that he has been putting on the same jeans for several weeks now, because he has been away making intense prayers.
Prophet T.B. Joshua called out the Boko Haram member and started praying for him, and as that went on, the man fell to the ground and started vomiting some substances. As the deliverance went on, T.B. Joshua asked him about a scorpion tattoo on his shoulder, and the man said it was from the Boko Haram cult, and all the Boko Haram members have this particular tattoo. Mustapha also claimed that they have never failed in an attack before, and this was the first time. He also claimed they were responsible for the recent bomb blast at the Airforce base in Maiduguri, and even the one in Adamawa State in Michika two weeks ago.

T.B. Joshua said his mission is to deliver the Boko Haram member of the evil controlling him. So he stretched out his hand and prayed for him again, then the man fell and when he rose up again, he was in tears. T.B. Joshua then said the evil spirit in him is gone. The Prophet also asked the man about a bead he used to wear around his waist before, the man who was shocked about how T.B. Joshua knew about that said yes, but that he was no longer wearing the bead. The alleged Boko Haram member was then taken away from the public by scoan.

[size=14pt]question now is-where is the so-called bomb or did the other four people run away with the bomb? where is the bomb? big question![/size]

why cant TB joshua co operate with the police and gave them information as to the bomb whereabout that alledgedly found its way to ikotun lagos, joshua conspired to conceal all these from the police http://www.freshgist.com.ng/boko-haram-member-confesses-bomb-plan-church-yesterday/

you will ask, why are we bringing this story again?

1, its because of those SCOAN member, yes scoan members(unfortunately we lost those tread to the NL 6 months data loss) on the NL forum they (members) are directing all sorts of insults to Alhaji Umar Manko, who is the Commissioner of Police for Lagos State
calling him all sort of names because they find it difficult to 'reason out of the box' or just trust their pastor!


2, its also because the man 12TB joshua had used our insecurity challenge to IMPOSE A SENSE OF FALSE IMMUNITY AGAINST TRAGEDY on his members, but now they know better unfortunately, God is not to be mocked. i prayed and felt bad for those who lost their precious life.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Chris Oyakhilome, Tb Joshua And Ayo Oritsejafor Displayed A Common Attitude by BERNIMOORE(op): 10:07am On Sep 20, 2014
dorox: If it were up to TB Joshua and his staff alone, the public would have been led to believe that nobody died in the collapse of the guest house.
You are on point! their reaction goes this way;

'A building and not the auditorium'..... trying very hard to change the story

Even part of the press were trying to play down the incident like the chibok girls saga as if it was a scam, they say that they have conflicting figures.

As at tuesday, when our own press(politically divided roforofo press) is still battling with between 8,17 or 29 dead, even saying that 'nobody is sure' and on TVC your view programme, someone challenged that who has seen any dead person on the site,and that people should desist from spreading rumour or wish bad for the scoan church and even threaten Gods annoyance on such person.
The hospital complain of Scoan not releasing the names of those who lodge in the church's guest house so as to determine those missing and dead,

Not until the president of south africa jacob zuma on tuesday gave a presidential speech and declared 67 south africans dead at a 'synagoge church in Nigeria, the next day wednesday the death toll hit 70, why? the cover-up conspiracy suffered a great blow when jacob zuma directed the Ambassador of s/africa in embassy to take stock of their citizens who actually came to nigeria for synagoge programme and it was reported to be around 300.

so ' the scoan defence of 'a building not auditorium' now was exposed and laid bare to a desperate attempt to cover up and play gamble with ones life,but project the church's image and the G.O.

Reluctantly Scoan release the names of those requested after pressure was mounting and after governor fashola visited the site of which resistance from scoan securities could not stop.

The cover up would have succeeded had it been that those dead were only nigerians, but international citizens with documented papers in their respective embassies were confirmed dead.

it is a shame, when prosperity replaced the Real gospel of our lord jesus christ, prosperity becloud followers of this churches that you will be flocking to ikotun parking their cars causing traffic just to buy a so called annoiting water for between 5k and above, they say it performs magic abi! but wait..did jesus not say ;many wonders will be done by using his name as a camouflage? but that he will deny them as workers of inniquity? did jesus not say that 'you cannot serve God and money(material riches) but rather jesus followers should be contented with what they can get in a honest way and be rich(in good deeds) so as to have treasures in heaven where thief cannot steal those riches

anyway this should be a lesson, unfortunately in a hard way,but it is obviously avoidable, and the fact that Scoan is still blaming 'an aircraft' that flew over hundreds of houses in ikotun and left for almost an hour before a so called house of God which should be the strongest collapsed, it a very weak defence and laughable, i think if joshua has advisers and lawyers this is the time to keep silence and stop ridiculing himself.
Christianity EtcRe: Addition Of More Floors To Synagogue Guest House Was Illegal -lagos State Gov't by BERNIMOORE: 4:30pm On Sep 19, 2014
soldierdollar:

Jesus was crucified . He should have stopped them
dont mix things up here, jesus cruxification was a fufilment of prophecy in the book of isaiah


Stephen was stoned . God should have saved him
stephen was stoned by enemies, not as a result of avoidable mistakes caused by the apostles negligence entreprenuership we saw in todays properity replacing true gospel of God

... John the baptist was beheaded , He should have forseen it ( as a prophet of God )
your ignorance is manifested the way you breeze through the bible without meditation but swallow your pastors word wholesale, lets read what john prophecied about himself


he john prophecied that when jesus 'bridegroom comes' and start to talk 'ministering' of which was the main thing john does, then he 'john' is fuffiled that his mission 'fuffiled' then he 'john' must decrease

John 3:28-30King James Version (KJV)

28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.

29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

30 He must increase, but I must decrease


the same word used by jesus on the tuture stake 'it is fuffiled'

now lets see someone Eutychus who to went to a church or gathering where paul was preaching upstair 'from the third story and the man fell from the window and died, but paul did wish him 'rest in peace' as in the case of scoan, or look for excuse, paul went there and fell on him, and he was put alive again and the people were happy

Acts 20:7-12New International Version (NIV)


7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting. 9 Seated in a window was a young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. When he was sound asleep, he fell to the ground from the third story and was picked up dead. 10 Paul went down, threw himself on the young man and put his arms around him. “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “He’s alive!” 11 Then he went upstairs again and broke bread and ate. After talking until daylight, he left. 12 The people took the young man home alive and were greatly comforted


so the question begging for answer is, did Tb joshua even make an attempt like paul? and try to heal those wounded or even try to raise the dead? where is the miracle? where? this is a litmus test that expose the hidden truth begging for answer, as you can see, in the bible there was an attempt by paul, we expect an attempt from joshua too.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Chris Oyakhilome, Tb Joshua And Ayo Oritsejafor Displayed A Common Attitude by BERNIMOORE(op): 3:24pm On Sep 19, 2014
Charism: Are you serioushuh!!! Constructive commentshuh Do you have the capacity to engage in a constructive conversationhuh!!!

LWKD...grin grin

The constructive conversationist script doesn't fit you. You perform better when trolling tithe and angel micheal threads. grin grin

Make Yooguyz show for this thread na, your real color go show.
oh, you want to expose your friend? ok invite him to clarify this;

https://www.nairaland.com/1439402/christians-chatbox


Re: The people-of-orientation Christians Chatbox by Yooguyz (m): 10:53pm On Sep 14, 2013

don't get me wrong, i didn't open the thread to mock the christian faith. In real life i(yooguyz) pastor a 3000+ congregation, and its also a real life issue am facing. Going by my understanding of the word "gay". I know its not possible. But i want a platform where people of orientation and religion like me can drop their baggage. And also for religious people to ask questions. The internet is the best place to do that, cos you are anonymous, knowing fully well that you risk loosing a lot if you come out in real life. Sharing those things on the inside makes me relieved. More of your questions are welcome
and see a question asked from him on same tread,


Re: The people-of-orientation Christians Chatbox by geovanni24(m): 6:44pm On Oct 17, 2013

This comment is strictly for @yooguys...ii understand that you are a pastor, pastoring A church of about 3000 members!...Now from your views on the Gay attitude, ii can easily deduce that you have some gay tendencies that you have put under control and ii applaud you for that, since gay is a thing of the mind...Now being a pastor of such an overwhelming crowd, hw do you cope with the large number of your male members who could cme T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for councelling?...don't you think you are not honest T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ yourself, iwhen the spirit of Gay is hovering arround your personality,rather. Than rebuking it for life and relinquishing its hold on you psychologically in order T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ serve God better ?...2. If a psychological gay member should come T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for. Deliverance/councelling...its assumed you both are faced with the same ordeal, HO̶̲̥̅̶̷̩̥̊͡ do you intend T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ go about it?.....Beside this,since I'm convinced that you are a through man of God, ii will like T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ know you personally, but on anonymous ground, cos of the position you occupy, ii believe M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ acquaintance with you will help strengthen M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ relationship with God and also edify M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ view on sexuality and intimate immorality...ii also used T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ be effeminate in M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ childhood, although ii was able T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ overcme it,but ii will most gratefully appreciate your enlightenment on this menace!....plz kindly email me sir......trailblazer25@yahoo.com. Ii look forward T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ receiving your email. Tanks sir!
https://www.nairaland.com/1439402/christians-chatbox/13

on that tread he is yet to answer geovanni 24
Christianity EtcRe: T.B Joshua Releases Official Statement About Building Collapse by BERNIMOORE: 11:22am On Sep 19, 2014
we are expectiing reply from SCOAN to the latest indictment, https://www.nairaland.com/1910069/addition-more-floors-synagogue-gue

dont pretend that you did not hear that the additional building on the former two storey was illegal, http://naija247news.com/2014/09/lagos-implicates-t-b-joshua-as-death-toll-hits-80/#.VBvKs6Oh-XU with no documents obtained for addition of more floors, but rather 'an aircraft flying over thousands of houses in ikotun now turned 'strange' because you want to distract peoples attention! yet you did not mention maybe a bomb was dropped, no fire outbreak or explosion heard! and to even rubish the story of strange aircraft theory fabricated, it has left for almost one hour before the collapse, check the cctv timing , i think it is just safe for tb joshua to keep quiet, desperate statements he has made so far is laughable and ridiculous,
Christianity EtcRe: Why Chris Oyakhilome, Tb Joshua And Ayo Oritsejafor Displayed A Common Attitude by BERNIMOORE(op): 10:47am On Sep 19, 2014
we are waiting for miracles! pls this is the best time to silence those who doubt that this MOGs can perrform miracles
Christianity EtcWhy Chris Oyakhilome, Tb Joshua And Ayo Oritsejafor Displayed A Common Attitude by BERNIMOORE(op): 4:43pm On Sep 18, 2014
in just few weeks interval, some happenings revelations beyond normal comprehension were exposed, and the main characters just displayed a common character that leaves every good christian in awe!

Chris Oyakhilome alledgedly pronounced that he is a man of God, he boasts that being a wife of a man of God does not make 'Pastor Anita' a woman of God! he could not even in his oral defence in the church service he held in reaction to the divorce suit, he could NOT EVEN CALL HER 'MY WIFE' or even say pray for 'our marriage' but rather pray for Rev Anita, ...that attitude was shocking to most people, as pastor chris tries to make himself too important in this matter, this follows the submission Rev Anita made available to the court that they seem to be husband and wife but the truth is that 'nothing of such exist btw her and pastor chris for over 16 yrs' according to pastor Anita.


T.B joshua on his own part prediction and claims of performing miracles met a litmus test, when a guest building in his church alledgedly was previously 2 story building (with no evidence of additional structure approval collapse killing almost 80,and injured like 130 pple.

no other opportunity will make this man silence his critics than to 'even attempt to go to where the dead bodies are kept and at least 'try to do something' which if he can raise some of those certified death, and heal some of the wounded, all doubt will be cleared

but up till now pastor joshua 'did not even mention or admit of any death in his speach' but rather in his sunday sermon says 'im facing a hard time' even when no single member of his family was affected......he is just concerned about himself selfishly i think i may not be too correct

Ayo Oritsejafor on his own Alledgedly leased a 'church private jet' meant for evangelism only at least to reach far areas devoid of evangelism and to win soul for christ, but on a mission to south africa, it was nt to win soul for christ but to convey cash meant for black market purchase of aminition not meant for antelope or grasscutter but to kill fellow humans
even church members have always jump to defence of private jet by pastors, they tell you 'our God is a rich God' so why not?

when faced with the allegation Ayo orisejafor admitted, but start insulting and displaying manner that will make you start thinking why will he be CAN president in the first place

he justified himself so he is selfish


why i have to strike a parrallel with these MOGs there is that it contrast what old prophets like David did when confronted with his sin by Nathan, David tore his cloth in reaction and feel sobered and ask God for forgiveness

SO, can anyone notice these similarities, constructive comments are welcome
Poems For ReviewRe: Are You A Poet? Why Do You Write? by BERNIMOORE: 3:19pm On Sep 10, 2014
Mynd44: I cant really say I get inspired or I have a process. i just see a good topic, make the topic my first line and I write. To me, the first line is the most important as there are countless times I have picked a topic but miserably deviated from it later in the poem.

I just flow with the words that I can think of and allow them control me and pick the direction and,meaning of the poem I am trying to write. I have found that sticking to a particular theme or topic never ends well when I write
pls i want to know if you are still one of the mods and if possible the new complaint thread kindly put the links to your reply, thanks
Christianity EtcWhen Properties Aquired With Tithe/offerings Are Shared To Couples By Court by BERNIMOORE(op):
If There is a scriptural prophecy that we need to consider the fuffilment today among our so called christian brethren who worship men rather than God, it is the prophecy foretold in 2 timothy 4:3

2 timothy 4:3

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


sound doctrines as preached by the early apostles suffer popularity or beign embraced by many today, some says it is old fashion and so prosperity preachers crept in, in a tactful way they package their preaching in a way that they look like someone who have the key to monetry riches, distorting material riches with spiritual riches(treasures in heaven) they package their teachings with sugarcoated mouth, and trust me, we have 'itching ears' that swallows their croocked message wholesale


prosperity teachings today have no respect to the scripture, as many of their followers believe today that properties obtained with this monies should not be discussed by members because it belongs to God, so if these church properties belongs to God and bought in a registered church name, who the main director and the deputy managing director is in the terms of registration really matters

so, if pastor and passtor Mrs xyz are the director and the deputy managing director in the terms of registration, and the holy spirit could not guide both pastors to take matters before the saints in the church as it was advised by the early apostles

1 corinthians 6:1


When any of you has a legal dispute with another, does he dare go to court before the unrighteous rather than before the saints?


what really went wrong was the love of money which the scripture says 'is the root of all injurious things'

1, The love of money is behind the fact that a pastors wife is always the first to be chosen as the next powerful pastor in churches today and so will even head a branch in another country,while other pastors will be at the mercy of both powerful pastor/couple who can sack pastors at will.

2. The love of money makes a pastor to scheme a plan of building a dynasty, using or project his wife as a pastor when the truth is that there was a sheme to dupe people of their monies to build a dynasty

if you doubt me read this submissions made by pastor Anita oyakhilome to a court;

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/adultery-not-anita-oyakhilome-s-ground-for-divorce-court-papers-show/188414/

The wife feels that she has been used to portray and enhance the husband’s image as a family man when the reality is that there is no existing relationship between them. She feels that she has been present for official functions simply for his convenience. On occasions she has been copied into his travel itinerary which has been given to him by his staff on a need to know basis.


the bible was very clear on the issue of women beign pastors or bishops or deacons, they are not to exercise authority in the church.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34[b]Let your women keep silence in the churches[/b]: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 timothy 2:12

11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12[b]But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man[/b], but to remain quiet.


1 Timothy 3 :1-13;
New King James Version (NKJV)
Qualifications of Overseers

3 This is a faithful saying[b]: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife[/b], temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 [b]one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Qualifications of Deacons

8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. 11 Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus


greediness makes these prosperity pastors to ignore all these warnings and instructions but rather pursue a so called 'dominion' over church members hard earned money, and the result is what we saw now in chris/Anita pending case in court

how members will feel about sharing 'Gods properties' between husbands and wife with children, while other pastors or church members have no inheritance at all! even pastors are can only hang on the salaries from these two pastors or can be sacked at will

is this the 'gospel preach by our lord jesus'? lord have mercy, your people are beign duped and deceived because some of them are greedy and illiterate, open their eyes lord!

1 timothy 6:9,10

9But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.

10For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.


again this is confirmed in this submission to court by pastor Anita;http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/adultery-not-anita-oyakhilome-s-ground-for-divorce-court-papers-show/188414/

“The wife(anita) feels that she has been mentally, physically and emotionally deprived of the experience of a marital relationship. She feels that the husband has persistently judged her and his communication with her has been unduly harsh. The wife knows that he was hard to please and has been extremely critical


and lastly

mathew 7:16

15"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17"So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.…
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Addresses The Whole Media Hype And Lies by BERNIMOORE: 12:24pm On Sep 10, 2014
coogar: yet another earthling from a village speaketh..
it's not the lawyers that determine how much she takes - it's how they present the case to the judges that would form the judge's decision on how much the woman should get. they have been together for close to 20 years, there are also children involved - the case speaks for itself without lawyers.

the judge would award her 50% whether she wants it or not. she can then return it back to her ex-husband if she wishes. then again, the kids would be prioritised - she has no say on the welfare of the kids, the judge through the child protection agency would examine the case and decide what the maintenance fees & child support would be.



your age is inversely proportional to your IQ. the older you grow, the dumber you get. why would she do that? are you an illiterate? why don't you show us precedents where the wife of a multimillionaire refused to take her entitlements instead of foaming in the mouth like a photosensitive epileptic patient?

i refuse to agree you have lived in the UK. coming here for a 2-month vacation to see your uncle doesn't give you any knowledge of how the judiciary works here. pastor chris & his wife are at the mercy of the judge & the judge would award what he deems fit after examining the merits of the case.

you are the ignoramus here using your village outlook to analyse a complex divorce case. why would any woman refuse her entitlements? "it depends on the contract between her & her lawyers" statement even tells me you musta dropped out of school before age 16.
oga easy easy! grin grin, the kind of lashes you are whipping this guy too much now grin, i knew that he wants to defend and also feel informed like a typical lagosians will do, but you can still present facts in a way that is more friendly! i cant laugh o grin the guy still think that all the properties bought with tithe/offerings monies really belong to God, so that the woman will not see property settlement awarded to her as her's but God's as he was made to believe grin grin grin any way the outcome of this case will open many eyes!
Christianity EtcRe: Exact Facts Of Pastor Anita's Divorce Papers by BERNIMOORE: 11:55am On Sep 10, 2014
chukwuwike2ny: 2 spirits...d spirit of God and that of d devil, no in-between...ask urself, if u're wishing that all of these are true, why?what do u stand to gain? U'll b happy that at last a Man of God is going down?(He's not for d part of the just is as a shining light that shine brighter and brighter unto a perfect day) The devil too is very happy and its just so sad that even christians shares same side with him...the man has prioritized Gods work more than everything else in his life, do u think he'll not love to sleep and wakeup everyday with his family in UK? This is not about the man of god but u! Test d spirit in u... Don't wish its true! ask urself, what if its not?
U know so many bad things about someone, do u know any good about thesame? the body of christ is 1 and d spirit that seeks to tear it apart is d antichrist, don't let urself be used...God bless us all
unfortunately you cannot allude your comment to any bible verse, let me help you with 'instruction that was a requirement of an oveerseer'

you have to aknowledge the fact that pastor chris did not take verse 4,5 and 7 of 1st timothy seriously, read it

1 Timothy 3:1-7

Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. [size=14pt]7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap[/size].


so can you see that the 'spirit concept' you are talking about is no issue in this case at all?
Christianity EtcRe: Exact Facts Of Pastor Anita's Divorce Papers by BERNIMOORE: 11:46am On Sep 10, 2014
PastorKun: 1 Timothy 3:1-7

Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, [size=14pt]faithful to his wife[/size], temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect. 5 [size=14pt](If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?[/size]) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.
bolded above needs good meditation

donnie
Watch as Pastor Chris put the tabloids in their place
oga, you do mean that pastor chris is above the bible? 1 Timothy 3:1-7

its very funny this days that people believe pastors but disbelieve the bible, na real wah!
Christianity EtcRe: Divorce Suit: Pray For Rev Anita- Oyakhilome by BERNIMOORE: 11:30am On Sep 10, 2014
extremelygolden: This message should clear the air on the Oyakhilome's alleged divorce suit.

Source is The Nation's Daily.

Please let's pray for this couple instead. There is no marriage without its trial period.



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Divorce suit: Pray for Rev Anita- Oyakhilome



Pastor Chris Oyakhilome of Christ Embassy has responded to allegations against him following the divorce case filed by his wife, Anita.

He spoke on Sunday evening during the global communion service of the Church streamed from Canada.

The following is a transcript from the service

“I heard that some media houses – especially in Nigeria – are writing some things against me. All sorts of frivolous charges, that’s crazy,” he said. “You have to understand something about a man of God. A man of God is not just someone who worships God or preaches God. A man of God is handpicked by God, set on course by God. If you study the scriptures, you will not find one man of God go against God, sinning against God. “The only things you might find will be a man of God, maybe in two different kinds of ways. Moses, for example; when he struck the rock twice, [he] was provoked by the anger of the people. [It was] not because he wanted to do something against the Lord. No man of God does something against the Lord. “Are you hearing me? A man of God is set on a course; there is a type of life that he is given. Then you have a young man, a young prophet; he wasn’t named; he was deceived by another man of God and so he went in a direction that God said ‘don’t go’. “That is the only kind of thing you find about a man of God when he misses the message of God or he acts beyond what God said. But a man of God settles himself in the fight against the world… like those writing those silly things about me, that I did this and I did that. “You don’t know who a man of God is. I don’t go in that direction. I wasn’t accused of the things you said, nor did I commit those silly things that you said and I don’t need to go into that level in such discussions.

Jesus Christ was accused by many – a lot of frivolous charges. There will always be those who would like for it to be true. But you know, in spite of the accusations against Jesus, It didn’t change who he was. It didn’t change him. “There are preachers and there are men of God. I am not a preacher; I am a man of God and I go in the way I’m asked to go. It may cause some troubles with individuals but that’s not because I have done something wrong and when it comes to Reverend Anita, what I will say to you is ‘pray for her’. “Don’t act like those people. If you are married to a man of God, it doesn’t make you automatically mature. You can make mistakes; you can do something that is wrong. But some people expect the wife of a minister to definitely be at the level of that minister and so they may be looked upon and the expectation may be like that, but it’s a positional thing. “If a man of God is married, it doesn’t automatically mean that the wife of a man of God is therefore a woman of God. That’s not the way it is in the Bible.

That’s why you don’t really find the wives of men of God mentioned in the Bible. How many of them? Who was Peter’s wife, did you ever know her name? You never find that out. Who was John’s wife? Did you ever read the name? What about all the other Apostles? How many of their names are written in the Bible. You never find their names.” At this point, one of the female pastors sought to know why the names of wives of the men of God were not found in the Bible. Oyakhilome’s response was that she should ask God whenever she finds him. “Why? You ask God when you find him. Ask God when you find him,” he exclaimed. “So, they are little things; don’t try to make something big out of them. So when journeying, doing the things that God called us to do, Christians should not have a divorce; it shouldn’t be but you see, that doesn’t mean a Christian may not take the step. “They may do it but [they] have to make things right and we shouldn’t take one another to court. But when it happens, not that we don’t just want to go, it means someone is taking us there. That’s a problem, but be wise and stay focused in the word of God and don’t let those who want to feast on things like this, including Christians… “There are Christians who like things like this; they want to make something big out of this: ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah, we said it’. You said what? Judge nothing before the time. Be wise. Glory to God. “So we are not working in sin and living in sin and hoping that we can mix sin and righteousness together. We are the manifestation of his righteousness. We walk in that light only, and that’s the way it’s gonna be.”
when pastor chris enters the court 'box' swears an oath and put under cross examination by defendants lawyer to answer some embarasing questions, what he try to explain here will be irrelevant, so lets wait for the trial!
PoliticsRe: Why Obasanjo's Son Gun Shot Wounds May Be A Blatant Lie by BERNIMOORE: 10:07am On Sep 10, 2014
obasanjo fought war face to face dodging bullets for nigeria at his own life risk, yet he still allow his son to face bullet for the country, how many Apc leaders including buhari is such patriotic indeed? their children are abroad or living at the comfort of their expensive houses bought with stolen wealth,

tell us why you hate Obasanjo you cant tell!

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