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datribune:
It's u dat has d problem of 'I too know'. First u think because u ar an intellectual or a biz magnate u can't fall 4 a scam which is bullish*t. I never spoke against tithing. But there's something wrong in d church when dis men's lifestyles ar so manifestly unchrist-like. It is sad dat u think because dis pastors ar rich then nigerian Xtians ar rich. It couldn't be further frm d truth. It is ironical dat 5 nigerian pastors ar in d top 10 of d world's richest while a vast number of d brethren ar among d world's poorest. Or could it be dat dis wealthy pastors ar doing something right & their poor congregations ar doing something wrong?.

paulGrundy:
Int'l Passport Of JW Past Presidents J.f.rutherford & Nathan Knor bypaulGrundy(m): 6:28pm On Oct 08

Emusan:
Mind you I didn't say you're a JW because Yooguz says so but because what I've seen through your post that's why I said 'logically', remember you've even challenged me to bring any thing I feel JW misrepresented in the scripture.

Emusan:

Sorry for jumping into your discussion but I'm not clear with the underlined statement in your post.

Was Pentecostal and others included in your ALL CHRISTIANS or only JW you're still referring to as ALL CHRISTIAN?

Doesn't JW are the only true Christian on earth?

bernimoore;

i am not aware maybe JW are the only true Christian on earth, but anybody who believe in the holy scripture and have faith in God through christ jesus is a christian in my own personal defination, i am not a jehovahs witness, ok?

and since yooguys does not believe in the bible as he confessed in this link https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331, is he a christian to you and in a position to critisize those trying their best?

Bernimoore

Emusan(only), kindly open a thread and invite me there and post the link on this tread, pick a (1) topic and point out where they twist scripture, then one after another lets discuss 'do not copy several allegations and paste, one after another

Emusan I don't need to open a thread because I'm not a baby on NL so you can check my username and see some of my threads about their lies.
Anytime I feel like I will create a thread about them if you like comment or dodge your head.

[b]Emusan

If yooguyz is an Atheist, will he be the first to point out his view about Christianity? absolutely NO! and someone like you can talk about Atheist but you don't want Atheist to talk about your faith...SMH

Emusan

And you think you're funny with this

Emusan: Logically, Bernimore is a JW nothing more nothing less. Though he claimed he's not.

donphilopus: I pray most of you shouldn't die of heart APC Attack someday.

honeychild: Una no go kill person for this nairaland!

truthislight: Whats the difference between what he is doing on those picture and the people that the building injured ?

This request is just the rational thing that he should have done, he needn't wait for someone to remind him to heal those people, some came all the way from south Africa.

Not doing that/healing those people in their dare need condition is share wickedness of the highest order.

paulGrundy: You've already made your point through your BERNIMORE moniker, I don't think quoting yourself is necessary, I provided answers to this somewhere up in the thread. Btw how has your day been?

@paulGrundy you are just 4 days old on nairaland today 28th sept 2014

paulGrundy Gender: (m)

Time registered: September 24, 2014

Time registered: September 24, 2014
Time spent online: 10 hours & 13 minutes
https://www.nairaland.com/paulgrundy

your last post was 7:46am On Sep 14 (before today 28th) using 'then' using your moniker yooguyz

you wrongly alledge that i use the moniker truthislight, without evidence, because i rightly expose you as yooguyz, yes you are the same yooguyz who was a homosexual pastor and when you cannot cope with the humiliation of your dirty past you were advised on 13th sept.2014 to change your moniker,

jared007: [size=8pt]8:11am On Sep 13th ....don't be silly winsomeX the pharisee. The gospel and d church is to convert a sinner and not a holier than thou hypocrate like u. Do not dwell on d past deeds of yooguyz. Do u know if he has repented? Yooguyz my advice is dat u change ur nairaland monicker.

https://www.nairaland.com/1892195/truth-behind-christ-embassy-healing/13#26264055

on the same thread above, your last post up till now was 7:46am On Sep 14 using 'then' your moniker yooguyz and you were ban as we can see 'your next post was hidden and empty as you were trying to break NL rules as an unlawful person https://www.nairaland.com/yooguyz/posts

duration of the ban may have been lifted but, the fact remains that you are troubled with your moniker 'yooguyz'

hence you yielded to jared007 request that it is better to cover your shame and change your moniker from yooguyz to paul grundy!

now show your own evidence that i use truthislight as my moniker, and what i have to gain or lose from that

then wait your your next mess, enjoy it


hence you rightly change it to paulgrundy

a 4 days old on NL you refer to bidam and Emusan as 'your witness' even when in all your posts on your profile you never engage bidam and Emusan[/size]

Randy100: And so ? My own is that he claimed he is a seer but couldn't see his own predicament

My dear, this question is quite reminiscent of thesame question asked by the jews who nailed our dear saviour JESUS CHRIST on the cross. They said to Him. "He claimed he could save others, why can't He save Himself?" others said "if you are the son of God as you claim, come down from that cross." They spat at Him, scourged Him and insulted Him in all manner of insults but the only word He ever let out of His mouth for them was. "father, forgive them for they know not what they are doing." and I equally want to remind you here that ever since this whole saga errupted, the only words I have perceived from this man of God have been words of thanks, even to the press that have laboured hard to discredit him. The Bible taught that we shall know everyone by their fruits. Remember Jesus said. "Do not think of what you will answer or how you will defend youeself when they bring you before the authorities to prosecute you. For then, the holy spirit will answer for you. So it is not in the manner of the children of God to engage others in a war of words. Know you them from their fruits. Who would have convinced the Jews that Jesus was the son of God? If not for the signs they saw after His death. Well, to answer your question. God has not promised us that as His children, we will be free from adversities. But He has promised to see us through them all. Many other men of God in the past, suffered theirs at their own times. Job, David, eli the prophet who prophesied the birth of Samuel but could not fore-see that his two sons were going to die at the war front which also claimed his own life. Can you also remember that Moses was the man who saw God alive yet could not enter the land of Cannan. But when devil came to claim his corpse, God reprimanded him. Because he is a man of God inspite of the challenges he faced as a man. I hope you remebered that the entirity of the appostles carried out so many miracles, yet could not stop their own deaths in the hands of the mortals? Be wise my brother.

milkymesh: God gave the ability to question, reason, rationalize in order help and seperate us from animals and robot. The Op raised very pertinent and thought provoking points. Let attack his points and not him. His religion or denomination is irrelevant here.
A man TBJ standing known to see the future and heal all sorts of illness,frailty,conditions etc should be a solution and be able to solve this problem. Christian are not immune to what happened to TBJ. However, both chriatians and non chriatians are raising these question because of what he claimed to be as a man of God. A similar incident happened in Benin City after tgat of TBJ, though with far less casualty, but no one is raising issues of the sort of TBJ.
Even the Lord Jesus foresaw his own death and succumb. Are we questioning why he could not save himself from, afterall he raised Lazarus and others? NO. Xtian know why.
TBJ broke not just man law as per building regulation but God's law of building safety as given to moses.
Finally, I alligned with the OP cos a man like TBJ shouls have seen this coming like Jesus.
Secondly prevent its occurrence.
Thirdly, if not preventable cos its the will of God as in the case of Jesus death, for a purpose, foretold it as a way for his followers and non beleivers to acjnowledge his God.
Finally, heal the victims to prove the powee of God in him as his annointed.
Fake they always resemble original.
Moses snake and that of Pharoah,s magician.
God prevails at last.

paulGrundy: You've already made your point through your BERNIMORE moniker, I don't think quoting yourself is necessary, I provided answers to this somewhere up in the thread. Btw how has your day been?

jared007: 8:11am On Sep 13th ....don't be silly winsomeX the pharisee. The gospel and d church is to convert a sinner and not a holier than thou hypocrate like u. Do not dwell on d past deeds of yooguyz. Do u know if he has repented? Yooguyz my advice is dat u change ur nairaland monicker.

paulGrundy: Ok ok seen it, thanks for the correction.

paulGrundy: Hello sir, you sound very convinced who the murderer is but until proven guilty, nobody have any right to point accusing fingers. The collapse could caused by just about anything. Why don't we just let the justice department do their jobs.

Let's not give vultures the opportunity to feed on the dead. There are several threads in nairaland talking about wheel chairs, and raised dead.

paulGrundy: Thank you Mr Efere701 for honoring my thread,

I guess you are suprised at the calm and polite manner I respond to JW's. Well people change, maybe I just realized that JW's are honest and sincere people, maybe my ideologies are changing. But one thing I have learnt is to be respectful to other peoples religious views even though you don't agree with them.

However I would like to throw questions related to what you wrote:
If the JW earthly leadership is not perfect, do you think they deserve your unquestionable loyalty? Why?

Ranchhoddas: the only way you can respect the memory of the dead is to ensure that their murderer is punished idiot!

Efere701: WATCHTOWER has never claimed to be infallible or perfect. JW's too do not feel that their earthly leadership is perfect.

jared007: 8:11am On Sep 13th ....don't be silly winsomeX the pharisee. The gospel and d church is to convert a sinner and not a holier than thou hypocrate like u. Do not dwell on d past deeds of yooguyz. Do u know if he has repented? Yooguyz my advice is dat u change ur nairaland monicker.

feedthenation: I have been thinking along this line from your article.

Why are the injured been taken to the hospitals and Pst TB Joshua not at hand to heal them right away?

I guess some people will label you wrongly, for raising good questions about the unfortunate incident.

ddddon: points well analysed. the money i don't think is bribe intended .

Donfamous: Hmmm. Some conditions can give way to heresies and fallacies. May God have mercy on u.

paulGrundy: The OP should not be taken seriously, he does not believe in miracles happening in our time and is trying ginger a debate towards that area.

@BERNIMORE/truthislight/loveroftruth,

I understand that you want to prove that miracles do not happen in our time because of your religion (Jehovahs witness) but I think you should create the thread specifically for that, please respect the memory of the 115 people who died.

#peace.

Harryjoshua4: Dear Nicholas ,

Firstly, thanks for standing up for your moral principles this week! I appreciate your zeal and bold resolve to let integrity lead in your journalistic pursuits.

My name is Ihechukwu Njoku , a freelancer currently in Lagos . Let me be honest - a brief online check will show that I am a fan of TBJ , evidenced in my numerous write- ups about The SCOAN . I am not however a ‘church spokesman ’ as a few people have insinuated due to the positive focus of my reports .

Before placing me in any stereotypical mould, I am not here to declare some ‘Deuteronomy- style ’ curse on your head or quote the whole ‘touch not my anointed ’ jargon as I know some other religious fanatics (nutheads ) have done.

I simply wish to express my own personal observations of this current ‘bribe- saga ’ in the hope that it may also help clarify a couple of things .

I agree 100% that journalism in Nigeria is darkened by a cloud of corruption where truth is doctored to suit the political will of the paymasters with ‘brown envelopes ’ running the show behind the scenes .

This deserves denunciation and renunciation at every available opportunity by all who believe ‘the pen is mightier than the sword’ .

I would sincerely, however, paint a different picture in the case of T .B . Joshua – based on my own personal experiences and the principles Joshua has espoused and stood for over the years.

I am not sure how well you know TBJ or SCOAN but I would say first of all that it would be impromptu to use this particular tragic incident and the church ’s rather unusual reaction to it as a yardstick to determine his integrity .

I have watched Emmanuel TV for nearly five years and visited The SCOAN several times during this period . I was initially very skeptical but what caught my attention was the sheer simplicity of Joshua’s message and lifestyle . He is a fresh
exception to the ‘money- mongering’ ‘private - jet- boasting ’ lifestyles of most Naija men of God today. Joshua lives simply, drives simply, dresses simply, talks simply… he is hands- down the most humble , generous and unusual man I ’ve met .

The first time I met T .B . Joshua ( without him knowing I was into a journalism and without my asking) , he gave me N 10, 000 for ‘ transport’ . Where I lived only needed about N 500 to get there ! There was no condition attached or surreptitious motive at play . That’s just the type of man T .B . Joshua is
– a good giver. Ask anyone who knows about SCOAN and they will tell you the same. That’s why I termed him unusual . Such attitude is so rare to find in Nigeria that the insinuations and connotations you arrived at in the light of what he offered you last Sunday are completely understandable.

Don’t think I am naïve ! Of course, the money offered by Joshua to you and other journalists last week was certainly influenced by the situation on ground . However , it does not change the truth that this has been Joshua ’s habitual practice – not only to journalists but to anyone he meets .

Don’t judge by my perception alone – ask anyone who has met him and has not left with some form of blessing . Besides, what facts are really there to be ‘covered up ’ by this ‘ bribe’ in an international incident of this magnitude ? The money, either received or rejected , didn’t change the facts that the media reported.

I could say a lot more but I ’m not here to preach. I am just positing that there is more to T. B. Joshua than could be appreciated on a first encounter in a challenging scenario.

My candid advice is to take some time to watch Emmanuel TV , even if you consider yourself ‘unreligious ’. Watch the man , listen to what he has to say over a significant period of time and in the light of such , arrive at your conclusion. After all, for over 360 South Africans to take the long journey to Lagos , ignoring the fears of Ebola and Boko Haram , show he certainly has something worth looking at. That’s just my two cents .

God bless !

www.maravipost.com/201409257138/People/open-letter-to-nicholas-ibekwe-the-‪‎t-b-joshua‬-bribe-saga-another-perspective.html

GoodcasHMan: I WOULD SAY THAT HE SHOULD PRAY THAT BOKO HARAM SHOULD LIVE US ALONE