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@true2God

you are a member of the Assemblies Of God church, i have all the facts, the pdf and screenshut of your discussions from someone,

i dont want to derail the thread, but i want you to come out with a clean hand before you attack another organisation of something you are guilty of.

so answer this;

did your church Assemblies Of God church prophecy armaggedon in 1914, and then changed to a latter date when armageddon did not come?

and again,

your weekly journal 'weekly evangel' of the assemblies of God evidently show all these changes, even in wikipedia

true or false?

just say that im wrong!

we have a long way to go here!

Yooguyz: PRE- 1914 QUOTES

"The year A.D. 1878 … clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of
kings, by our present, spiritual,invisible Lord - …" The Time is At
Hand (1911 ed) p.239

@ youguys

to start with some of your quotes

Above quote of yours (31 words in sequences above)

are those words presented 'in just the same order that you put them above same with the jehovahs witnesses publication you quoted, or you have deleted some words and leaving some to butress another point different from theirs?

yes or no?

hisblud: seriously, this verse debunks your false doctrine that Yahshua was an angel Yahshua more better than angels in every way yet your failed organisation deemed it fit to uphold the nonsense doctrine that the blessed Lord Yahshua is equal to angel. How disgusting can your organisation be?

im not a jehovahs witnesses, so

can you read read the 'only' condition that made jesus better than the angels above? see the bolded,

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
"Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath [size=18pt]by inheritance[/size] obtained a more excellent name than they." (Hebrews 1:1-2, 4).

it was'nt by default that jesus was better than the angels, but as the firstborn of Gods sons, he was the only angel/messenger/servant of God to pass through different stages 1, as an invisible beign to 2, a visible beign and then 'he died' which no angel did, and was ressurected and back to the heaven

you know that angels too were called using the phrase 'Gods sons' (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Psalms 29:1; 89:6) they were Gods sons by default

how do you see that?

italo: Russell lied to his followers Jesus would return in 1914.

When 1914 had come and gone, with no Jesus in sight, Russell modified his teachings and claimed Jesus had, in fact, returned to Earth, but that his return was invisible.

True or false?

@ italo, (only italo should respond to this querry pls )

i just saw this thread today,

and im picking just your very first allegation, and note pls that im not a jehovahs witnesses, but I am interested because i want someone to convince me and not beign myopic or adamant, but beyond all reasonable doubt, I am not here to defend the jehovahs witnesses, but to evaluate your claims and how substantial they are, and see to it wheather there was a publication of which you can make a full page available here on the thread or a PDF or even a screenshut ......where russel did actually said that

1, jesus had phisically return to the earth in 1914 and gone

ckkris: You, MUST BE, born again, John 1:7. If you REFUSE, to become born again, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for you, to SEE that TRINITY is in every page of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation. Deut 30 : 19.

@ckkris

you mean that a layman cannot see trinity in the bible if it was boldly written? you sound ridiculous!

you should have said that i need a certain degree of spirit or holy spirit to open my eye, excuse often used when you cannot prove a point.

it is obvious that you dont even know the significance of beign born again!


To be born again, you have to be convinced first, then you proceed to repent your previous sins and renounce them, and lastly you disown yourself that is, not following fleshly desires again but embrace christ.

why not convince me first where trinity is written in the bible, before i proceed to the next stage?

ckkris: In Deut 6:4, Elohim, Hebrew word for God, is PLURAL for Father, Son, & Spirit, that is the one Jehovah. And I, will NEVER be atheist.

before you juxtapose bible verses, pls, kindly show JUST ONE BIBLE VERSE THAT SAYS ...Father, Son, & Spirit, is the one Jehovah.... OR, show just one verse that ever mention the word 'TRINITY' and if you cant, pls forever be a silent man, and DONT BE STUPID HERE, because trinity is the root of confussion in catholicsm, and can also lead you directionless.

saintvc: The topic is misleading. Plz change it

change what? are these pastors God fearing? or they are greedy, do they follow jesus command or not? if not they are pretending Atheists taking advantage of the 'the grace of our lord' as an excuse for gross misconduct and fraud, im not changing the topic, ok?

in the old testament it was written that our God is 'only one and not 3'

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

jesus echoed the same thing, in NT; below;



mark 12:29

"replied Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord;

yet it was said that jesus claimed that he is one with the father, but jesus also say that we (believers) are part of the oneness with God and jesus

John 17:21-24
New King James Version (NKJV)

21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.



all to no avail, trinitarians shot themselves on the foot by distorting the person of God as unreal,

the chief propergator of this false belief is the catholic, as they paid dearly with cases of their priests leading the chart in world religion in child molestation, priests who dont see God as a real person through distorted teaching cannot feel bad over molesting a child, worst still they recycle these priests instead of dismissing them, which clearly violates what the bible says 'to quit association with such person' something that is very annoying is that the bible will say something, these catholic priest uphold another tradition teaching(unsacred scripture) that counters the bible Gods word

and so, since the basis of their religion has been distorted, most of these priests dont believe the existence of God or even the need to fear God. pope francis adopted the Gays and even making phone calls to them, to continue practicing their sinful lust without any measusre to please God and stop sinning.

pope francis evidently show disbelief in the person of God when he told Atheists that they dont need to BELIEVE in GOD to make heaven.

even when jesus said in john 17:3.......this is everlasting life...knowing you the ONLY TRUE GOD....

The so called pope francis without fear of God said atheist dont need to know God to make heaven

cardinal pell flanked himself with atheist and some scientists and open his mouth gbau, and said that 'the story of Adam eve and serpent were just a myth,

all this is due to a wrong foundation rooted in the lie called TRINITY, a word that was never found in the bible

A lie that removed the name of God in the holy scriptures and render God NAMELESS.

trinitarians are loosing the battle, they embrace atheism as their last destination, what a shame!

anywhere you turn to, you see pictures of pastor and pastor mrs, which holy spirit ordained the wife of these pastors and GO's? even the bank account of these churches must carry the signature of the mummy who deputise daddy, while other male pastors must be under mummy GO in hierachy

GO TO THE INTERNET its either DADDY AND MUMMY OYEDEPO or DADDY AND MUMMY ADEBOYE, OR PASTOR AND PASTOR MRS OYAKHILOME DADDY AND MUMMY/PASTOR MRS ORITSEJAFOR WHO EVEN OWN A BANK IN WARRI AND GROUP OF SCHOOLS

few mentioned above have their picture fixed on their church's activities only using jesus as a bait while CLEARLY THEY DISREGARD JESUS BROTHERS and chose be building multi-billion facilities to accomodate wealthy individuals by assuring them that God had forgiven them, there by guilty of the same thing that jesus told the pharisees that they ....sit in the seat of moses. and make Gods law not to be effective due to tradition

Do these men of God really fear God by romancing the rich's wealth? no is the answer

that reminds me of pastor Ayo oritsejafor who was away with the president in isreal who was also said to be praying for stella odua.

they have no concience and do not feel accountable for their actions because they assume Gods position.


the wise should discern this and help the poor around them, instead of giving tithe and offerings to build earthly kingdoms that may perish, build the heavenly treasure that cannot perish,

how,

read it below from the bible yourself;

Acts 20:35

In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive

Proverbs 19:17

Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed

For those pastors who says that poverty is a sin/curse in order to direct things that were supposed to be of help to the poor, read this for yourself;

that begn poor is not a curse but there has always been provision and command to take care of their need, read


Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’


Acts 20:35

In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Proverbs 19:17

Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed. (these greedy pastors will not read these for you)

Matthew 25:35-40

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ ...


Matthew 25:40 jesus replied;

'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'

if you dont give to your brother who is in need, but give tithe to pastor that use such money to enhance THEIR SELFISH and building wordly kingdoms, you have denied jesus, thereby robbing him, but if you do, jesus says that you are declared RIGHTEOUS, READ;

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ ...

JESUS REPLIED; "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me"

truthislight: ^^^
True!

Even those that are eager to project it are often carried away with pride as they struggle to project themselves and their head knowledge on how intelligent they are.

The result is that, satan catches them in his trap "whole sale" and wholly.

Satan had dangled that appeal to Eve, that Eve will 'know good and bad' herself without relying on God.

these statement next said it all .....Satan had dangled that appeal to Eve, that Eve will 'know good and bad' herself without relying on God

you are on point

spenca: So you think the bible werent adovcated for by philosophers or at a point written too ?

Answer to your question,

NO,

let the bible answer you let me start only with 3 verses among many

''prophets(BIBLE WRITERS), though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit''


2 TIM 3:16

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,



2 Peter 1:20
[size=14pt]Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things[/size].

2 Peter 1:21
For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but [size=14pt]prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit[/size].

Do you believe the facts stated in these verses expecially 2 tim 3:16 above that ''[size=18pt]All[/size] Scripture is God-breathed''

YOU WILL WONDER why people who profess to be Godly today violates what was boldly written in the bible, but rather they challenge the verses in the bible to vindicate theirself or action, but PAUL apostle noted the cause of the problem, those individuals have pulluted their minds with wordly philosophies not according to christ but of the world, read;



Colossians 2:7-8


7having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude. 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ

Holy ghost fire visibly consumed the sacrifices of jehu, and the baal worshipers were put to shame
Holy ghost fire, reported in the bible was visible to onlookers as elijah was carried off in a fire chariot into the sky with onlookers in deep awe

but today there is so much noise about 'HOLY GHOST FIRE' even comedians use it sarcastically,

but my point is that a particular church 'form recitations outside the bible by mentioning 'holy ghost fire' to consume the enemies, of business, of prosperity etc but upon all theses shout 'fire fire fire' using a melodious voice of a woman and the CD was sold in thousands among its members, but the fire was not visible and with no evidence. except pockets of unverifiable calculated claims.


personally, i believe that there was a disconnect somewhere.

is the holy ghost fire visible like the ones of old, if not WHY THE NOISE?

what we hear today is noise and copy copy copy, p'square copying micheal jackson's dancesteps to form their latest 'PERSONALITY video', they copy MJackson Thriller dancesteps, Moonwalk and Smooth Criminal, but failed to do BACKSLIDE PERFECTLY because their feet are stiff while micheal jackson feet is flexible from birth, i mean his feet is [b]en pointe[/b]see what i mean below;

many did not even know why christ died for them, and why their faith is only through their belief in christ and not by law that includes Firstfruits requirements only to the isrealites of old

pa Adeboye is building kingdom in his name and portraits everywhere using the gullible that swallows anything he vomits

even when bible warns that you should BEWARE OF PROPHETS THAT COME TO YOU 'IN SHEEP'S COVERING' that is like a gentle and Godlike person, BUT INWARDLY THEY ARE DEADLY WOLVES....Mathew 7:15..... “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

honestly papa's face looks very innocent, and that is what confuse many, just see the face

yet people ignore jsus warning to beware of such people

jesus was called God's son,

hebrew 1:5;

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”

the Angels too are called 'God's son' in genesis, and even when Gods angels gathered satan was present but the phrase 'sons of God' was not used to describe satan

so, jesus and angels share beign called 'Gods son' moreover 'an angel of his presence' was said to be people's redeemer and savior

isaiah 63:9
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted,
And the Angel of His Presence saved them;
In His love and in His pity He redeemed them;
And He bore them and carried them
All the days of old

was satan reffered to as an angel by default in the bible?, prove it, if you believe that jesus was did not pre-exist as angel in heaven

Bidam: I believe that the next five years will see the rise of a new era of apostolic/prophetic ministry gifts who will pioneer a new wave & dimension of radical ministry.The guard is changing.A new wave is coming.There will be those who have submitted to the religious spirit that will intensely battle the next wave but the tide will rise and the wave will have great impact.Brace for a coming move of Glory,Miracle,Signs&Wonders!

@op according to what prophecy in the bible? considering the way you are fixing time or years, or you are talking from your own personal revelation?

All comments so far is totaly without a single bible verse, and lastly miracles that are going to be performed by those churches will it really surpass that of jesus and the apostles such that it will bring an end to mankind suffering? or it will only be another scheme to enrich few but enslave the gullible

throw more light to your revelation pls.

kindly show me how to 1,merge picture together, and remove features from one picture and fix to another picture

thanks

satan was not mentioned in the bible to be 'an angel' by default or originally (i dont mean metaphorial usages), and if you can show me where it was mentioned that satan was created an angel, show it pls.

This argument is informed by the persistent shoving aside of all Overwhelming evidences that pointed to the fact that jesus exist as servant of God right there in the heaven and was even called 'my servant' 'im calling you in righteousnes' by God Almighty himself in the heaven, in a vision shown to isaiah the prophet before jesus came to earth in the book isaiah 42.OLD TESTAMENT.

angels are known to be supernatural beigns (invincible) that are servants/messengers of God.

but before then(coming to the earth), it was decreed thus;

Hebrew 1:6;
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

philipians 2:10

10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


but when jesus was just about to start his ministry, satan approached jesus, and demand for jesus's worship

satan knew jesus 'only as Gods son' and NOT GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF!(trinitarians should note that before muddling jesus as God Almighty himself)

Mathew 4: 6........... and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down.


Again;

Mathew 4:8-9;
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

but jesus told satan to worship God in heaven and NOT JESUS HIMSELF.

Satan is a powerful beign and was even reffered as 'god'/God of this world(hebrew words does not recognise uppercase/lowercase in the use of god/God.) in the book of john.


now,

show me in the bible with strong verses DIRECTLY where satan was said to be 'an angel' by default or originally

constructive comments pls

Just see one evidence posted by youguys himself below

read;

Nowhere was tithing commanded for christians who by faith in christ became christ follower! but rather than teaching 'giving voluntarily as a personal resolve, what one chose to give as practiced by early christians'

modern pastors impose a ten percent tax fraud on their folowers, using DEVOURER in malachi 3 to scare them

tonguetalker: am new in this forum. i dunno many of you you guys. but the first person i observed here is yooguys and his anti jehovah witness topics.just go through his profile topics all of them is about jehovah's witnesses.....am just curious why does he criticize them so strongly? just my observation.

Because 1, he was an ORDAINED PRIEST in his fathers church,
2, he was in an unnatural relationship (men to men) with his fathers assistant pastor an evidently
practice an act unnatural and unacceptable in the bible when on tour to s/Africa.
3, Jehovah's witnesses showed him plainly that a man to man act is against God's natural purpose
for man
rather than putting effort to change his ways he resorted to an all out attack against the jws.

PAGAN 9JA:
jesus is dead.

yeye-and-so called-pope-francis give you mouth talk, a beg yarn anything you want, if a stupid and a-supposed-or-would-be-a respected -man-of God-opened-his-mouth-[size=18pt]GBAU!!![/size]-to-say those nonesense in page-0, so why cant you a-myopic-irresponsible-and-a-non christian not talk-gboa!!! funny isn'nt it? endtime prophecy in fufilment.

true2god: Barrister for once i agree with u. Long time no see.

im not barrister, i told you earlier that he is my brother, we share microsoft words documents online, and at times i just copy or lift some of his write up that i like and paste without changing the fonts, because he likes to type in capital letters, we are different persons.
thank you, to the topic

can we say that events happening now testifies the fuffilment of endtime prophecies?

FOLYKAZE: Mr, let gays be. Did they tell you they aint enjoying their life?

The same bible you are holding shows Jesus was a Gay. David and Jonathan were gays, how can you use the bible to correct them when characters in it were heterosexual and gay

ok you want them to join atheist

FOLYKAZE: Gay is Gay.....believing in God is not an issue. Cant you do things on your own without pushing your doctrine on others throat?

1, i did not make them christian, they chose ok, im not pushing mine doctrine but using the same constitution we commonly believe i have to show them the consequencies and suggest ways devoit christian ough to conduct theirself 'IN HOLY ACT OF CONDUCT'

it is not forcing.

FOLYKAZE: thanks for providing him the answer.

now you talking, you are an atheist, you can see a world of difference between Gay who believe in God and those who dont, it is those who fear God and want good standing before God that i want to converse with. thank you for your time.

Judas2013: God doesn't exist

God doesn't exist

God doesn't exist

God doesn't exist

God doesn't exist

choruuuuuuuuuuuuus louder pls you dont belong here, bye bye sing the chorus along

FOLYKAZE: Teacher of God's word? I don die.....everybody claiming to be teacher.

Call me when you start having headache on the choice of two grown men. Cheers

headache, for what, i dont need to call you, this is christian matter here, do you believe God exist? answer