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BERNIMOORE: you knew that supernatural spirits are 'a nature/form' but[b] you DELIBERATELY NOT ADDED 'form/nature' to supernatural spirits, leaving the statement 'open for twist'[/b] i saw it,

we are called humans, NOT WITHOUT REASON BUT BECAUSE OUR NATURE/FORM IS HUMAN/FLESH by default

Angels are supernatural spirit form/nature by default, called 'sons of God' their task 'messenger' is NOT a nature but task

benalvino: is this your answer?

why asking me again, fire

Dont run away,

you knew that supernatural spirits are 'a nature/form' but[b] you DELIBERATELY NOT ADDED 'form/nature' to supernatural spirits, leaving the statement 'open for twist'[/b] i saw it,

we are called humans, NOT WITHOUT REASON BUT BECAUSE OUR NATURE/FORM IS HUMAN/FLESH by default

Angels are supernatural spirit form/nature by default, called 'sons of God' their task 'messenger' is NOT a nature but task

benalvino: and you still wont clear your confusion by answering this.

we are called humans...
the spirit or host in heaven created by God what are they called?

till you answer this question we are not moving further...

now you have seen the truth

you saw the fallacy of forcing 2 natures by default on angels, while admitting that angels are supernatural in nature/form of which they shared the same supernatural form with God, but that the messenger task of angels was meant for angels

benalvino: good question..

[size=18pt]angels are to serve God and man[/size]... the bible differentiate angels from man... angels are servant by default and humans are not...
[size=18pt]an angel is a nature that is why the bible translates supernatural spirits as angel[/size] and [size=18pt]when same task is performed by man it translate a messenger...[/size]

fact is the words are common in meaning... aggelos was applied to spies... it can be applied to a dog or pigeon.

again the words should be used rightly and the way the context suggest..

remember elohim means God it also means great too... like the great[elohim] earthquake the bible talks about... wont there be problem if that passage is translated god earthquake?

while messenger and angel can be use interchangeably we should consider using it right in a way it fits the context...

like i said before there is a reason aggelos translates an angel and messenger...
because one is the nature of some supernatural spirits.

[size=14pt]angels are to serve God and man= proof here shows 'serving' was a task and nothing like 'form of Angel' [/size]

an angel is a nature that is why the bible translates supernatural spirits as angel

[size=14pt](implication of this is that angels by default possesed 2 form/nature but rather they possesed just one by default=supernatural spirit form/nature, the other 'task' you forced as a form was their duty'service'[/size] and [size=14pt]
[/size]

you rightly define angels duty as 'task' below

when same task is performed by man it translate a messenger...

[size=14pt]why are you forcing task 'as nature/form'? yet they are supernatural in form/nature[/size]

dont come here with long story, definations again, it is straight now,why are you forcing task 'as nature/form'? yet they are supernatural in form/nature

benalvino: now you are making your self look bad.
[size=18pt]yes of course they are supernatural
[/size]
Humans and animals have flesh and bones made of the same substance... But animals are not humans and humans are not animals...

so i am asking you... the supernatural spirit in heaven and the ones cages somewhere what are they called

before you start making mess of this post let me tell you that my question above is not dealing with the creator! but the host in heaven he created.

[size=18pt]supernatural what? be specific, dont stay on the fence, (God and Angels)are supernatural spirit form/nature? [/size]

im i right, or you are not talking about form, only supernatural,

pls indicate 'if it is supernatural spirit form/nature' or just supernatural!

or sup

benalvino: of course you know what am talking about... [size=18pt]the supernatural spirits in heaven and the demons where ever they are, are called angels... [/size]
the bible always refer to them as angels or when aggelos is used concerning them it almost always translate angel instead of messenger...

trying again and failing agian

[size=18pt]God was a supernatural spirit and he was not an Angel[/size]... he takes the form of anything... even angels.

One big difference from God as a spirit and Angel as a spirit is that seeing him in his glory will kill them also... that alone means they must not be like him.

.

im happy for this,

from your post above, we can rightly say that God and Angels share 'supernatural spirit form' while God is[b] NOT A MESSENGER, listed from your post below[/b]


[size=18pt]God was a supernatural spirit and he was not an Angel[/size]

[size=18pt]the supernatural spirits in heaven and the demons where ever they are, are called angels... [/size]

im i right?

benalvino: John was a normal human being, he has earthly parents(mother and father) commissioned by God as a messenger, but he was not a supernatural being who came down from Heaven.

in the OT when Israelite spies entered Jericho, rahab hides them... , James wrote:

james kjv 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers[aggelos], and had sent them out another way?

in NIV the messengers are spies
In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies [aggelos; KJV: messengers] and sent them off in a different direction? (Jam 2:25)

the above is reference to human spies who are sent to gather information from Jericho and bring a message back to human military leaders about its vulnerabilities. so the term is referred to human messengers... like i send pigeon can be called aggelos even dogs.

But in the passage below, the messenger is a spirit creature a supernatural being sent with a message from God Himself, the word is translated angel.

But after he had considered this, an angel [aggelos] of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.” (Mat 1:20)

Absolutely there was no difference between AGELLOS and MALAWK, you claimed that there was a reason agellos was used for both spirit angel and humans, Again malawk was also used foR spirit angels,and humans,

see it below;

Genesis 16:7-14

7 The[b] angel of the Lord[/b](malawk) found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”

"(2Sam 3:14) And David sent messengers"(human)[malawk] ”

[size=14pt]tell us the reason why MALAWK WAS USED THE SAME WAY AS AGELLOS, both applied to spirit angel and humans specifically using above post as to butress what you mean, leave definations for now, dont lift def. here 4 now., interprete using this case study here.[/size]

benalvino: good question..

angels are to serve God and man... the bible differentiate angels from man... angels are servant by default and humans are not...
[size=18pt]an angel is a nature[/size] that is why [size=18pt]the bible translates supernatural spirits as angel [/size]and when same task is performed by man it translate a messenger...

fact is the words are common in meaning... aggelos was applied to spies... it can be applied to a dog or pigeon.

again the words should be used rightly and the way the context suggest..

remember elohim means God it also means great too... like the great[elohim] earthquake the bible talks about... wont there be problem if that passage is translated god earthquake?

while messenger and angel can be use interchangeably we should consider using it right in a way it fits the context...

like i said before there is a reason aggelos translates an angel and messenger...
because one is the nature of some supernatural spirits.

you claimed in bold above that [size=14pt]the bible translates supernatural spirits as angel [/size]

Are you saying that [size=14pt]ALL supernatural spirits are angel, or not all?[/size] please answer that.

benalvino: you don't have case lol... you still forcing it... he didn't even see anything wrong with what i said... my statement is that Jesus was a servant of God when he was on earth and still his today. I dont know why you are trying to force fault out of nothing.

you are a case! obviously, you denied what truthislight put 'in bold'

you said 'he didnt see it'

dont worry, let him respond later, he is waiting,ok!

lets move on

benalvino: lol... what is your point?
i still doesnt see anything wrong with what i have said...

jesus is a servant of God...
kings have servants
insects have servants too...
[size=18pt]no matter the case he is making..[/size]. if you are working for God... you are his servant... whether you use messenger or angel... One big point is that you are serving God... So i dont know who you are trying to prove

bolded sait it all, he put the emphasis 'on quote' ('jesus as a man')

yet, you ignore the quote, and swith to servant issue, Are you a baby? see obvious here

truthislight:

Am not interested in what your brain is telling U ^.

When you say [size=18pt]"Jesus as a man"[/size], are you saying he is still not subjective to Yahweh now in heaven and hence still Yahweh's messenger ?

that was my point in bold,

oya answer him now

benalvino: twisting my words are making you look silly.
what you said is no where near what i said...
2nd try 2nd fail
try again

i bolded them right there in your comments, so dont deny it, thats the implication;

1, benalvino manufactured 'nature of Angel'

2, Angels nature of some supernatural spirits

among other natures

benalvino: I never said jesus is not a servant of God... you have started with this again... truthislight ask if am saying jesus is not a servant of God and i said i never said that....

[size=18pt]jesus as a man [/size]was like abraham, elijah etc... all were servant of God...

being a servant of God or messenger of God... the word aggelos is use to describe them... same word that is use to describe servants or mare men....

below is post that i reply to with "I never said that"

[size=14pt]was he(truthislight) making a case for servant? no![/size] in order of the post of rows this post preceeds yours 'in' direct order 1,2,3, on this same page, and what he(truthislight)was emphasising was 'the man jesus' he even 'put it in quote' in this post below;

truthislight:

Am not interested in what your brain is telling you ^.

When you say "Jesus as a man", are you saying he is still not subjective to Yahweh now in heaven and hence still Yahweh messenger ?

did he put servaant of God in quote?

now you will come with one long story that will accomodate Yoruba-Yoruba to hide your obvious denial, CHAI lets watch noW.

[size=18pt]Angel have more than one nature according to the book of benalvino; (1)the nature of angel, or angels nature. (2)Also the nature of some supernatural spirits, and besides, they can take on human's nature[/size]

see bolded below in his own statement;

benalvino: good question..

angels are to serve God and man... the bible differentiate angels from man... angels are servant by default and humans are not...
an [size=18pt]angel is a nature[/size] that is why the bible translates supernatural spirits as angel and when same task is performed by man it translate a messenger...

fact is the words are common in meaning... aggelos was applied to spies... it can be applied to a dog or pigeon.

again the words should be used rightly and the way the context suggest..

remember elohim means God it also means great too... like the great[elohim] earthquake the bible talks about... wont there be problem if that passage is translated god earthquake?

while messenger and angel can be use interchangeably we should consider using it right in a way it fits the context...

like i said before there is a reason aggelos translates an angel and messenger...
because one is [size=18pt]the nature of some supernatural spirits[/size].

when i watch trinitarians doing their wayo, i ask myself 'which planet they came from' deluded planet, CHAI!

just back from work

i spoted an obvious denial (in bold below)

benalvino: my point is different...
is the angel you said jesus was, in the nature of angel gabriel?...

now there are spirits that are not called angels... that is the spirit that is inside me and you...

Jesus can be called angel putting it in mind that angel means messenger. and also when you dont mean he is like Gabriel or michael...

anything can be servant of anything...

Kings have servants
obama have servants
in the slave trade many africans became servants
animals are also servants... it doesnt make them like gabriel or michael...

no all humans are servant and messengers...

therefor [size=18pt]Jesus as a man was no different [/size]from other people who are called messengers of kings... which is also aggelos or did the bible use another word, greek word for them?

satan have his angels... some are demons some are humans... and satan him self is an angel and that is how he was created

an explanation was seeked, after it was discovered, below

truthislight:

Am not interested in what your brain is telling you ^.

When you say [size=18pt]"Jesus as a man"[/size], are you saying he is still not subjective to Yahweh now in heaven and hence still Yahweh messenger ?

then follows obvious denial tagged[b] 2(#b)
[/b]below in bold:

benalvino:how funny...[size=18pt] I never said that...[/size]

there are demons who are subjective to satan and they are called angels...

there are people who are subjective to their king on earth... they are servants and the word aggelos is use to describe them in greek.

that is the point am making...

Jesus is the servant of God.

P.S if you are not interested why are you still posting cheesy? it seems like you are interested to me.

Good job benalvino

let me attend to some clients now, i will join you later

benalvino: ^^^ i want to thank you for realizing that we should make meaning out of this discussion at last by coming back to the main topic...
the translation you choose says angel there... the one i choose says messenger. there are 2 translations that reads angel
and the rest reads messenger...

so it depends on the one you take... besides humans can be called angels because messenger means angel and angel means messenger...

but again angel is not our nature, we are humans by nature and they are angels by nature...

that is why aggelos translates
1: an angel
2: messenger...

like i said before dogs serve their master even go to messages like getting news papers and so... but it doesnt make them an angel their nature is animal, our nature is humans... an angel is a nature also for certain spirits.. the spirit of humans are not angels.

When humans are called angels as you admit above, do you mean metaphorial usage different from what the dictionary means?

explain because i dont want denial again

for example i have help you to highlight what i need in bold above,

let me show you what i need there

BENALVINOthe word hebrew word aggelos is where angel came from... this word means an angel first then messenger

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you cant deny saying agellos is a hebrew word as a blunder, you admit

but lets move to the real gist now, or you still want to troll, im ready choose any IM THERE I NO DEY TIRE

benalvino: in addition to my last post know that i have taken screen shut of it... if you go back and add it i will know.

every post of yours have been saved on my system automatically, so you cant deny any thing, also i cant deny any, it is good for refference

if i dont need some things i removed them and highlight the ones im having issues with, i will continue to do that so far it does NOT change the topic

sorry,

Having touched the areas i belived i need to duly treat and clear accusations based on speculations and posing typo errors as a valid but rather invalid as NL accomodates that, we can now resume this;

benalvino: SHOULD WE CONTINUE OR LEAVE IT?

WE HAVE SEEN THAT AGGELOS TRANSLATE
1:AN ANGEL
2: MESSENGER

Now lets distinguish angels from humans.
They are spirits like you said.
we are humans that have spirit inside us...

^^ the above shows that we are of different nature.

So lets talk

before we proceed, below you actually said that agellos applied FIRST to Angel, before humans,

YOU DID MEAN IT APPLY ABSOLUTELY TO ANGEL FIRST, chech that;

benalvino: @bernimoor ok lets go into meaningful discussion now... so we can get to somewhere. i am done trolling.
like i defined before i will go into more details.

object if you may... an angel means 2 things...
first a spirit being created by God to minister
[size=18pt]the word hebrew word aggelos is where angel came from... this word means an angel first then messenger...[/size] the short definition is an angel first then messenger...

[size=18pt]malawk [i]is a greek word that means messenger [/i]and the short definition is angel [/size]

And you were very sure of what it was to be applied to first.

now, when i showed you that it also applies to humans, and gave john the baptist as example,

the question is;

[size=14pt]why would angel or agellos be applied to a human? a human agellos john the baptist? [/size]

benalvino: Again i showed you already... not one but both of them... you can deny if you want every one who click the link i provide will see that i have showed you before...

was it not me that pasted it above? YOU SUCK, i only drag along with you so thatpeople will HISS at your proofs

YOU GOT NOTHING YET PRETENDING AS IF YOU HAVE,


I KNEW HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU, IM NEVER TIRED OF ANSWERING ANY ALLEGATION TILL TOMMOROW EVEN ON ANY THREAD, OK? LETS GO NOW

you speculate that im a jw based on the fact that i believed in the same thing on that issue,

this man was not a JW,

I HAVE TOLD YOU EARLIER WHERE I GOT MY CONVINCTION ON THE ISSUE, RAY FOUCHER IS NOT A JW

(Part 1 of 4)
http://www.jesus-resurrection.info/what-are-angels.html
http://www.jesus-resurrection.info/what-are-archangels.html
http://www.jesus-resurrection.info/jesus-angels.html
http://www.jesus-resurrection.info/michael-archangel.html

kindly show me WHAT I HAVE DENIED WHEN COMPARED PLS

JUST SEE YOURSELF POSING AGELLOS AS A HEBREW WORD THERE O,

BELOW is the post that you are talking above,of which came behind my intended post to reply,

show me what i have denied here NOW, COMPARE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE NOW

in your post above;

agellos is a greek word for angel

malawk is also a hebrew word for angel

where did you get the analysis that

the word hebrew word aggelos is where angel came from[/i]... this word means an angel first then messenger... the short definition is an angel first then messenger...
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definately you can see what im talking about, you refuse to be honest by forcing this defination derived from your forcefull opinion that;

"this word means an angel first then messenger... the short definition is an angel first then messenger"...



no dictionary ever mentioned angellos as angel first then messenger

you can seach and paste it,

benalvino: this is old you said it before.. and see what i said
https://www.nairaland.com/1403841/why-jesus-son-god-not/4#17701542

[size=14pt]kindly paste the statement that i withdrawn, of which i have denied before NOW[/size]

ben,

you admit your blunder here abi,

Lol [size=28pt]yes a blunder [/size]it was suppose to read the Greek not Hebrew.. Are you happy? Should we move on?

I accept the fact that I said the Hebrew is Greek and the Greek is Hebrew... A mistake. So can we continue

but what stop you from posting 'what you said i never pasted back' so that we can see if it was a denial that i removed, are your machines not working again?

benalvino: you dont even know how to lie... you remove the statement replace it with a letter "e" and the other one is "[" then you never put the statement in another place...[size=14pt] your motive was to hide it[/size]... especially the one you use goat as example... you never pasted it in another place...

ALL I SEE IS YOU HIDING YOUR BLUNDER. AND YOU WERE SAYING I DONT HAVE PROOF OF YOU WITHDRAWING WORDS NOW YOU ARE ADMITTING IT.

show the statement if it is what i have denied before? if not whining whining whining, NOT AN OFFENCE

benalvino: you dont even know how to lie... you remove the statement replace it with a letter "e" and the other one is "[" then you never put the statement in another place... your motive was to hide it... especially the one you use goat as example... you never pasted it in another place...

ALL I SEE IS YOU HIDING YOUR BLUNDER. AND YOU WERE SAYING I DONT HAVE PROOF OF YOU WITHDRAWING WORDS NOW YOU ARE ADMITTING IT.

AGELLOS, is it a hebrew or greek word?

lets see your blunder again

benalvino: the large text said it all... when i repost i dont remove the old ones i just leave them there copy and paste in the new place... i want you to show us where you put them.

SORRY, READ THESE OFFENCES AGAIN ON NL(ON YOUR POST), YOU CAN ADJUST, TO SHED MORE LIGHT ON WHAT YOU MEAN OK?

can you see that above, there is nothing stopping you from giving details NL allows that, since is NOT DENIAL