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Pastor Olu T: Dont u see that u err, u never quoted scriptures that vividly talk about Hell?
Pls kindly explain these scriptures; Matthew 25:41-46, Mark 9:43-48, Luke 16:19-31 amidst many other scriptures.

frosbel: According to Trinitarians and JW, Jesus existed twice , one in eternity and one as a baby , what !!!!!!

How can a being exist twice ? A being can only come into existence ONCE, and we know God has no beginning, so what does that make Christ ?

Use your heads !

BERNIMOORE: also[size=18pt] i want you to correct a concept of 'form of servant' there is nothing like form of servant,;[/size]

#a, God creates[b] phisical bodies like that of human and animals.....that is a form[/b] so,we have human messengers.

#b, also, spiritual and invincible bodies with a choice appearance often in 'flames of fire' that is another form of which God, jesus and the angels appeared, so we have spiritual messengers.

2 Thessalonians 1:7,8

And you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire [/b]taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.


[b]God revealed on his throne as in flames of fire

"For our God is a consuming fire." (Heb 12:29); "His throne was a flame of fire" (Dan 7:9); "the appearance of the Lord was like a blazing fire" (Ex 24:17).

so, jesus took an inferior form when he 'took a human form' bodily

objection?

BERNIMOORE: also i want you to correct a concept of 'form of servant' there is nothing like form of servant,;

#a, God creates[b] phisical bodies like that of human and animals.....that is a form[/b] so,we have human messengers.

#b, also, spiritual and invincible bodies with a choice appearance often in 'flames of fire' that is another form of which God, jesus and the angels appeared, so we have spiritual messengers.

2 Thessalonians 1:7,8

And you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire [/b]taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.


[b]God revealed on his throne as in flames of fire

"For our God is a consuming fire." (Heb 12:29); "His throne was a flame of fire" (Dan 7:9); "the appearance of the Lord was like a blazing fire" (Ex 24:17).

so, jesus took an inferior form when he 'took a human form' bodily

objection?

[size=18pt]Hisblud:Now which is which: FORM OF GOD or FORM OF SERVANT when He made the statement that the Father was greater than Him? [/size]

BERNIMOORE: malachi 3:1 gave us the hint of what form that jesus pre-existed;


"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even [b]the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in[/b]: behold, he shall come, says the LORD of hosts".

God which is the father rightly reffered to jesus his son jesus as ' messenger of the covenant' note that he is still yet to sent jesus while he was making this pronouncement, yet he reffered to jesus while in heaven as 'my messenger.........shall come'

this shows you that he was not equal with the father!

jesus emptied himself 'by being obedient to go for an errand proposed by the father'(submission)

now when did jesus took the form of a servant? below shows that it was when he was made lower than the angels

hebrew 2:9

King James Bible

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death"....,

hisblud: So far no Anti trinitarian has rebuted the post i gave instead

Frosbel: claims to have trashed it in one of his previous post yet have not given any link to that effect? Further he posted a link, and asked to put it in his words, nil... no where to be found, later he would come on another thread to claim he has dealt with it...

uboma: gave a "logical and mathematical analysis" of 1+1+1 =1 just to dodge from the question posed without making any effort to rebute it and claiming that am "blinded by my false belief" . Hmm talk of logical rebutall So does the scripture take the mat of the feet of Anti trinitarians?

Pastor Olu T: Dont u see that u err, u never quoted scriptures that vividly talk about Hell?
Pls kindly explain these scriptures; Matthew 25:41-46, Mark 9:43-48, Luke 16:19-31 amidst many other scriptures.

Bidam: That was addressed to frosbel not you. If you really want to address the post you would have picked it before now.This is what i call a logical fallacy.

Kay 17: ^^^
However the love for God is not the basis of morality, because morality is normative, dictates behaviour and sets out to enforce such rules.

Besides if you obey God's commands because of the love for him rather than fear, then inversely God ought to obey our commands if he loves us. And we can punish God for failing to obey us. Awkward, right?!

Bidam: You believe in the Jewish God yet you don't believe in the Jewish tithe,is that not hypocrisy

frosbel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyw447qnFLw

idnoble135: You might as well make full use of the thread. No need to reply you anymore. Its not worth the effort.
Cheers!

idnoble135: This dude is just all over the place. Cant you remain in/on a place/point to explain yourself clearly? Hia!

idnoble135: You really need to learn to explain your point. Learning problem does not often come from the teacher, it could also come from the teacher.
I dont want to type one thing and then you say another thing. So, in simple language, i do not get the point you are trying to make in this post. Whats your point?

Bidam: Ok..Who is Jesus since you believe he preexisted. Is HE
1.An angel.
2.A fire
3.A god
4.A servant/messenger.

Who actually is Jesus Christ before He came down from heaven?

idnoble135: Let me get you clearly. Do you believe Jesus existed long before every other thing was made?

idnoble135: John 1:1 shows you the name he was called before coming to earth. And bible says Jesus was God.
"In the BEGINNING WAS the WORD, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD." John 1:1(emphasis mine).

idnoble135: Now thats wrong. The declaration was made right before he was human. Here:
"Your throne, O God, will
last for ever and ever; a
scepter of justice will be
the scepter of your
kingdom". Psalm 45:6.
So he was God right before coming to earth.
And to show a flaw, you typed that the proclamation was made after he came to earth and undergone two transformations. Now even though that was wrong(because the proclamation was made in the old testament , your style of writing seems to denote that he became God after undergoing the "two different transformation".

idnoble135: Now thats wrong. The declaration was made right before he was human. Here:
"Your throne, O God, will
last for ever and ever; a
scepter of justice will be
the scepter of your
kingdom". Psalm 45:6.
So he was God right before coming to earth.
And to show a flaw, you typed that the proclamation was made after he came to earth and undergone two transformations. Now even though that was wrong(because the proclamation was made in the old testament , your style of writing seems to denote that he became God after undergoing the "two different transformation".

idnoble135: Now thats wrong. The declaration was made right before he was human. Here:
"Your throne, O God, will
last for ever and ever; a
scepter of justice will be
the scepter of your
kingdom". Psalm 45:6.
So he was God right before coming to earth.
And to show a flaw, you typed that the proclamation was made after he came to earth and undergone two transformations. Now even though that was wrong(because the proclamation was made in the old testament , your style of writing seems to denote that he became God after undergoing the "two different transformation".

BERNIMOORE: why not read it further to verse nine!

he inherit those ovations because of his obedience! the use of the words 'will be' and not 'have always been' shows that evidently he inherit the glory

to the son, yes as at the time this proclamation was made, jesus has passed through two different transformations, he is been reffered to with respect to a higher name he inherit and addresed as such to differentiate him from his fellows or companions

example;joseph was transformed from[b] a prisoner to a second in command in egypt, he is no more reffered to as the proner again in that genesis account,as it will be derogatory, but reffered to as zaph'nath pania and joseph respectively.
[/b]
jesus became the 'son' on earth [/b]having being miracoulously transfered to the womb of mary, and was born as a baby boy,

[b]during his baptism was the first time ever that God ever called him 'son!'[/i]

mathew 3:17

"And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

christ was not called Gods son while in heaven!

christ inherit this title 'my son', [size=18pt]having been decreed earlier in psalms,[/size]

he inherit the name 'jesus christ' that he was never called while in heaven,or anywhere in the old testament!

and thus after his ressurection, it was said that christ 'inherit a name that is better than his fellows' which means he was even more important now than before if we compare what inheritance had added to him after he became human

hebrew 1:4

"having become so much better than the angels, [size=14pt]as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they[/size]".

and more to that

heb 1:9
"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

[i]who are his companions or fellows,in other bible!

Bidam: What do you understand by the word conjunction in English language.You re misinterpreting that scripture No?

idnoble135: I guess he needs to learn the difference between a minister and a ministering Spirit.

idnoble135: "But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God , will last
for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be
the scepter of your kingdom". Heb 1:8. Care to explain?

Bidam: Don't mind him,he has forgotten to quote the scripture that says ministers too are flames of fire.

idnoble135: What do you think scripture meant by "messenger of the covenant"?
I have many questions. So, so, many.

If Jesus was in the form of God, and you claim Jesus existed as fire before taking up flesh. That means God too exist as a fire?

idnoble135: Reserving my comment. Lemme get you clearly. So because Bible says our God is a consuming fire means he is a fire?

hisblud: Yes another Anti Trinitarian thread, Just finished my work and was thinking of what I should write again that has intrigued me about the Anti Trinitarian stands. Oh I remembered, I was having some discussion with one called frank and one post he made is what I did like to bring up here.

This is his post




And rightly so, Yashua did say this:



Now this is my question to all you anti-trinitarian that don’t believe in the pre-existence of Yashua [are there anti Trinitarian that believe in Yashua’s pre-existence? ], in what FORM was Yashua when He made the above statement, as a Form of God or Form of a Servant?

Using this verse for a start



[size=18pt]Now which is which: FORM OF GOD or FORM OF SERVANT when He made the statement that the Father was greater than Him? [/size]

Thanks

hisblud: Usual ranting of frsobel when he cant reply and then gives a conclusion as this [size=14pt]JESUS CHRIST DID NOT PRE-EXIST.[/size]

italo: How? How am I not sincere with my "inward man." Please show your "beloved"...that I might not go to hell...

Pastor AIO:


I quite agree with him that the story is not literal. And yes I agree that a snake did not talk to eve.