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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 5:47pm On Sep 06, 2013

Itsfacts: Mumu here you go https://www.nairaland.com/1415473/bernimoore-threatened-sue-me-because

below link is where i warned ben about claiming damages, i dont know anything about the thread up there,

https://www.nairaland.com/1403841/why-jesus-son-god-not/6

im be sy lo nism tongue

Itsfacts: Mumu here you go https://www.nairaland.com/1415473/bernimoore-threatened-sue-me-because

below link is where i warned ben about claiming damages, i dont know anything about the thread up there,

https://www.nairaland.com/1403841/why-jesus-son-god-not/6

im be sy lo nism

Christianity Etc › Heb. 1:5, 'today I Have Begotten You' JESUS Beign 'begotten' Means ADOPTION by BERNIMOORE(op): 5:34pm On Sep 06, 2013

A date was set by God for jesus to be begotten by the father,

but alas, the bible describe beget/begot/begat/beggotten, mainly through intercourse

Can you literally beget/begot/begat someone who was already existing? this is only possible through intercouse, but does God need intercourse? when he is having options including to mould human like adam and breath the breath of life in his noserills. God instead fuffil the promise of bringing a seed from Abrahams loins and was fuffiled through mary.

But the question is Can you literally beget/begot/begat someone who was already existing?

here is the eathly chronology of those beget/begot/begat/beggotten before jesus, from Abraham who receive the promise to

Their father's name placed before the child beget or responsible for the child beget/begot/begat/beggotten or born[/size]

mathew 1;2,13-16;

1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers. Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. 14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud. 15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar[b] begot [/b] Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob. 16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.

verse 6,of mathew 1, above Jesse begot David the king

while [b]Mary was of the tribe of Judah and the lineage of David (Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32)

as you can see, the word 'beget/begot/begat/beggotten' was reserved for God, in this context, who was reserved to be credited as a father for the 'birth of jesus' but definately not through intercourse like the rest here

if jesus exist before the declaration of 'beggoten' slated 'for another day' for example,in hebrew 1:5 shows that there was a day set aside for jesus to be declared beggotten, yet 'not through intercouse' expecially before this statement

hebrew 1:5;

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”

this is an obvious hole in trinitarians claim that jesus had always been begotten of his father, but rather 'a slated day' for this declaration in heb 1:5 'rubished' that and further put weight to suggest that since this beget or born in this case cannot apply to someone who already is existing-full grown, we can

that jesus was just part or the first of the 'spirit sons' of God in heaven, since the word angel means messenger/servant as a task, spirit angels too are sons of God

we all know how

angels too are called ‘sons of God’ in Genesis, and another occasion when satan came to assemble with sons of God.

how God beget or born christ, nobody knows, but since christ and the spirit angels are Gods sons, christ is the eldest, and unique that is why he was singled out as,'beggotten',

since spirit angels and jesus are Gods sons, the firstborn christ(not yet beggotten then) was brought into the world,

hebrew 1:6

6 [size=18pt]But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, he says let angels worship him [/size]
God honored jesus among his sons to receive worship just the way an eldest son of the family are reverently recognized in some cultures, firstborn command serious respect.
But, among those Gods sons(angel), jesus is also 'a son' hebrew 1:6 not because there was intercourse of any kind. But by adoption and appointment.

Hebrews 3:1

Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds

So, in nut shell, that jesus was begotten does prove that he was born through intercourse as beget defined, but by adoption jesus was appointed as Gods begotten

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 12:51pm On Sep 06, 2013

Itsfacts: ^^but for Benin we no get time for maloo so go play out side. Because you go sue me later. Benalvino said you wan sue am to court for a thread he opens I think say na joke but the link there shows where you say it. You are a really troubled man.

im.becile-saliva'ism tongue

what were you trying to say, ah ah! straighten your head now,ah see saliva, see tongue tongue

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which thread? if i get what you are saying having covered your disgusting face with saliva, you said this particular thread was opened by benalvino, grin

you see how im.becile you are, saliva don cover your face so tay e come cover your eye join am, do you need glasses to tell you that FROSBEL open the thread? scroll back to page 0,

you must be pushed around the village now with a wheel-barrow,im.becile-saliva'ism grin

you are finished

lets go again pls

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:21am On Sep 06, 2013

Itsfact

HM. You want to be the woman athink?
It i have a high time reading out Ben alvino make fool from you people. To the point you were arguing against your religion.

Ithink this should be your third post or so if im not mistaken,since you have nothing on your basket-brain, now you are not convienient with the way ben is strugling right now, grin

Come to think of it. You monkeys always ask people
Show us in the bible where it says father son and holy ghost are one.

really, monkey is not allien to dark skinned,including YOU. so we all as a black race have moved on to such level that we dont feel hurt with the mention of monkey grin

The major issue With your querry above is that; the word T-R-I-N-I-T-Y cannot be found in the bible, and so it is a crime to concort a-so call father, son and holy ghost to fill a pagan concept [size=12pt]but the word 'Jesus' and 'angel' were freely contained in the boundaries of the holy scripture, so while you and ben are fighting for PAGAN, i and some friends are fighting for 'GOD ALMIGHTY' Get that difference into your head shocked

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Yet you are complaining when you are ask to show where Jesus is called an angel.

you see your life? i showed 4 good bibles that says jesus is an angel,(angel of covenant) (malachi 3:1,..(1)dual rheims, (2)darby bible,(3)wyclyff and (4)Amplified bible)

or

king james version

Galatians 4:14
. .. but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. paul directly call jesus 'angel of God' what again?

but ben failed to show one verse that says 'satan is a cherub' but start to juxtapose by asking me you know blah blah blah ...serpent is a cherub grin

he said ok, 'destroyer' is satan, but gen 3:24 says sin itself is 'destroyer' so i demands a verse where satan is called cherub, simple

but since you are dumb, and you were lost in the discussion until you feel that your partner-in-crime is receiving heavy blows;uppercut, side-brush,headbut,pump-action... etc now you came on board ignorant of what is been discussed before.

Yes i read the verse, Satan was called a cherub but monkeys will always be monkeys

and [b]what stop you from posting the verse? im.becile you are, you know that im.becile has got grades, your own im.becile is a family curse,it was invented as a curse on you using 'snail' always saliva tongue

it is a pity you are that disgusting[/b] grin

lets go now, im.becile-saliva'ism grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:55pm On Sep 05, 2013*

BERNIMOORE: try again, keep trying

That one is a long story,

[size=18pt]show where satan is called angel in the bible[/size]

you have failed so so so badly! ehn are you a woman? you always want to talk last.

try, just try! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:43pm On Sep 05, 2013

try again, keep trying grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:40pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: Ezekiel 28:13
12"Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13"You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. 14"[size=18pt]You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there[/size]. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.

what is a Cherubim abeg you... no worry your question answered

i cant find satan there YOU FAILED BADLY CHAI

he he he he he grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:37pm On Sep 05, 2013

let me ask you this,

im i asking you to provide destroyer? anything could be destroyer, even what you eat ok

[size=18pt]show where satan is called angel in the bible[/size]

face me! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:34pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino answer me, show where satan is called angel in the bible

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:29pm On Sep 05, 2013

[size=18pt]benalvino answer me, show where satan is called angel in the bible), as you can see you have failed[/size] grin

your claims dont show it

sin also was called destroyer in Gen 4:23, i have disputed your claim, oya show where satan is called angel!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:07pm On Sep 05, 2013

[size=18pt]benalvino failed badly, chai![/size] grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:05pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: @truthislight satan is still called an angel...

"And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in [size=18pt]Hebrew is Abaddon[/size], but in Greek he has the name Apollyon" (Revelation 9:11).

Both the Hebrew and Greek names mean "Destroyer." A very apt name for Satan (Job 26:6; Proverbs 27:20; combined with the fact that Satan once had the power of death, Hebrews 2:14). But notice that this one from the bottomless pit is called an angel.

see juxtaposing! ha ha ha ha grin

a beg see Sin itself is called 'desroyer' too in Gen 4:23, so what, simple english

[size=18pt]show where satan is called angel in the bible), as you can see you have failed
[/size]

i will not be surprised if you replied that you have showed me, i cant find any! you failed badly, try again grin

until you do that.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 8:55pm On Sep 05, 2013

yawn! if you are ready to show where show where satan is called angel in the bible then we can move on, all your claims that you have showed it are on the page and they are all 'empty'
i cant stop laughing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 8:51pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: see what your awake teach... 2010

The Setting of a Moral Precedent
Originally the one who [size=18pt]became the Devil was a perfect spirit person, one of God’s angels[/size]. (Job 1:6, 7) He made himself the Devil when he became obsessed with a selfish ambition to be worshipped by humans. So he challenged God’s right to rule, even insinuating that God does not deserve to be obeyed. He charged that humans serve God only when bribed with blessings. Satan claimed that under personal hardship all people would “curse” their Creator.—Job 1:8-11; 2:4, 5.
Such accusations from Satan required responses that could not be answered simply by a show of force. In fact, executing the Devil in the garden of Eden would perhaps have suggested to some that the Devil was right. So God, possessing absolute authority, began legal proceedings to settle such issues in the minds of all observers.
In harmony with his principles and perfect justice, Jehovah God indicated that each party would produce witnesses who would give supporting testimony to its side of the controversy. The time allowed has given Adam’s descendants a chance to live and to add their testimony in God’s behalf by choosing to keep integrity to him out of love despite any hardships.

So you guys should keep arguing with what you believe as it makes you looks more *******

you can show that to the jws, im not one,ok and dont divert, tell me you are tired ok,

now, stop dribbling question like maradona,

Dude go up i did several times... from my own research and from your watchtower book... so stop being a **** and move on...

you did not, see how i refute everything below;

BERNIMOORE:

you failed, i dont need all those combined whatever!

Sin is called 'desroyer' too in Gen 4:23

let me show you what satan is reffered

revelation 12:9

9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

show where bible listed angel among satan's name, simple!

[size=18pt](show where satan is called angel in the bible), as you can see you have failed grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 8:40pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: @ BERNIMOORE it means you might have comprehension issues there... lol... do you know that your Watchtower uses that to back their claim why satan is an angel? you guys are making jokes out of your self...

ben, can you see your life? YOU CANT SHOW A SIMPLE THING [size=18pt](show where satan is called angel in the bible)[/size], CHAI grin

im dying with laughter here cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 8:38pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: I already did... keep closing your eyes... plus i should you where your watchtower says he is an angel... look through the thread again.

[size=14pt]you dont! you have failed badly, prove show where satan is called angel in the bible,[/size] did i ask for watchtower? grin

im not a jw, you have their library dont you?

show where satan is called angel in the bible

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 8:31pm On Sep 05, 2013

[quote author=benalvino]

I already showed you... it called him a Cherub...

serpent a cherub, where? show the exact verse now grin

He was one of the sons of God that present their self before the lord in jobs...

he wasnt reffered there as son of God , but his name atan was used directly! again you failed woefully claiming ant victory as usual

he is one of the angels of the bottomless pit the bible talks about... and ultimately your faithful and discrete slave teach he is an angel... Stop lying to your self...

is that bible? anyway direct that to the jws

you failed woefully shocked

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 8:20pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: lol if you dont know satan is the serpent then why am i disturbing my self with you? why should you always mine for excuse?
"And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon" (Revelation 9:11). Both the Hebrew and Greek names mean "Destroyer." A very apt name for Satan (Job 26:6; Proverbs 27:20; combined with the fact that Satan once had the power of death, Hebrews 2:14). But notice that this one from the bottomless pit is called an angel.

you failed, i dont need all those combined whatever!

Sin is called 'desroyer' too in Gen 4:23

let me show you what satan is reffered

revelation 12:9

9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

show where bible listed angel among satan's name, simple!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 7:20pm On Sep 05, 2013

truthislight: Good question !

If some should ask where the bible calls Jesus angel directly, the person should also be y t w were the bible calls satan angel also.

That the bible does not directly call satan angel, does that mean he was not an angel/messenger of Yahweh befor he rebelled ?

Same applied to Jesus also, those asking for where Jesus is called an angel. QED.

pls wait wait! truthislight. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 7:18pm On Sep 05, 2013

truthislight: Does it matter what Benalvino says ?

What that matters is what the bible says. QED.

As usual, benalvino was unstable, but i like it that way, i was able to commit him to some statements that objective readers can form their own opinion grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 7:10pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: Jesus created satan...

Satan was a cherub

1.Satan was in the garden in the form of a serpent (Genesis 3:1; Revelation 20:2).
2.Since Satan is not God we know he was created and as all of creation, he was a part of the very good (Genesis 1:31).
3.This one in the garden was a cherub. We know that in the garden were Adam, Eve, Satan, and God from Genesis 3. Neither Adam, Eve, or God are a cherub. Who does that leave? satan right?
4.Satan could at one time appear before God (Job 1:6; 2:1; II Kings 22:19-22), thus he was in heaven.
you know the angels are called sons of God and when they present their selves before God satan was also there...
5.Satan quickly became sinful (John 8:44).
6.Satan's downfall was pride. "Lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil" (I Timothy 3:6).
7.Satan was cast out of heaven (II Peter 2:4; Jude 6; Revelation 12:7-9; 20:2-3) .

Diversions, simple question.
you failed, im i talking of serpent? what i need is satan is angel cherub

nowhere in all your verses mentioned satan as cherub! pick one verse out and show satan is a cherub,now! i dont need explanation

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 6:47pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: Did he become a servant or not... yes or no... once you answer this question this argument ends.. so if you dont answer it directly i wont respond to you again.

no, he did not just become a servant on earth but he was created 'a servant'

since your defination of servant goes thus='jesus serves his master', not only that but also 'jesus was loyal to his masters command',

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 6:42pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: am not ready to go through circles for nothing... am not doing this too to satisfy you... am not doing it for anyone! What i have seen here is that we come here argue and yet none of us are admitting that we are wrong in one area or not... especially you...

If Jesus become a bond-servant it means he wasn't a bond servant before... either you take it or you lie to your self more. i wont be going through this...

this verse go along with other verses... the word was God... the word created every single angel... the bible did not say the word was a servant or was an angel.

if you can go to next topic about how jesus is michael the archangel then we can continue.

so jesus created satan?

This takes us to next, 'jesus on earth.

when jesus was about to start his ministry on earth, he fasted. but satan met him and claim to have the control of the world, he took jesus to high mountains after showing him the glories, satan demand for jesus worship! while satan himself did not worship jesus.

can you show me where the bible call satan the devil Angel?

why because an angel created by God should worship jesus 'on earth or in the world', not the other way round

hebrew 1:6
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him

show me anywhere in the bible that satan the devil is called an Angel?

you can see verses here where satan was directly called god/God forget the uppercase, hebrew tetragamaton does not recognise upper or lowercase,ie

2Cr 4:4 Satan, the god of this evil world

show me anywhere in the bible that satan the devil is called an Angel?

is satan a god/God?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 5:51pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino: am not ready to go through circles for nothing... am not doing this too to satisfy you... am not doing it for anyone! What i have seen here is that we come here argue and yet none of us are admitting that we are wrong in one area or not... especially you...

If Jesus become a bond-servant it means he wasn't a bond servant before... either you take it or you lie to your self more. i wont be going through this...

this verse go along with other verses... the word was God... the word created every single angel... the bible did not say the word was a servant or was an angel.

if you can go to next topic about how jesus is michael the archangel then we can continue.

Hebrews 3:1

3 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, [size=18pt]Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him,[/size] as Moses also was faithful in all His house.

was jesus not a faithful servant ti his father? why would he be faithful to an equal person? if not because he was Gods servant

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 5:05pm On Sep 05, 2013

benalvino,

you think that one is doing these proving to satisfy you? no, but because the thread will serve 'as a refference to the open minded people,

you admitted, that the phrase in phil 2:9; 'the form of bond-servant' means that

'jesus serves his master', not only that but also 'jesus was loyal to his masters command',

that alone says it all between jesus and his father, that jesus has always been his fathers servant from heaven!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 6:10pm On Sep 03, 2013

benalvino: ^^^ what you are doing is trying to cover up the fact that is in phil 2:7... any how you put am... it still shows he was not a servant in the first place... you failed big time.

ok, [size=28pt]jesus 'serves his master, and loyal to his masters command' [/size]

thats true he was'nt a servant, but serves HIS MASTER, LOYAL TO HIS MASTERS COMMAND grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 5:28pm On Sep 03, 2013

[quote author=benalvino]

I feel bad for you call the bible verse fallacy...

when you apply it, using the two forms/natures CLEARLY DEFINED in 2(#g) page 12, the scripture is clear! without trinitarian falacies grin

we thought that you had something special you want to define as form/nature, but fell gallantly into a trap cheesy

and it is still bad that you trying so hard to go around phil 2:6... Guess what, you Failed so badly try again.

REALLY?

after you applied my definition, didnt the bible read that he still took the form of a servant?

NOPE, see what it reads;

phil 2:7

applying ben's defination;

"But made himself of no reputation, serves his master, and [size=28pt]loyal to his masters command and was made in the likeness of men"
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is that part of the bible inserted by me? Or the truth is what you dont like...

yes! thats your defination, you post it and i apply it directly, you see why it is bad to troll? you cant remove this again, i have tagged it grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 3:30pm On Sep 03, 2013

the truth must surely prevail grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 3:27pm On Sep 03, 2013

benalvino's defination of 'form of servant'

benalvino:[/b]The Word "SERVANT" alone describes everything... [size=18pt]servant is the one who serves his master, Who is loyal to his masters command...[/size]

now, applying benalvino's defination of 'form of servant' which jesus took. to phil 2:7

King James Version (KJV)

[b]7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men":

[size=28pt]"But made himself of no reputation, serves his master, and loyal to his masters command and was made in the likeness of men"[/size]

so, there is definately no other form ben's defination butressed here than 'task' 'service' to ONE'S MASTER WHICH JESUS HIMSELF ACCEPTED RIGHT FROM HEAVEN grin

What a good way of exposing fallacies behind phillipians 2:6,7

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 3:15pm On Sep 03, 2013

benalvino: ^^^ you amaze me... hahahaha...

you come with tell me what servant means i have told you... then you jump back to begotten which you guys are making it look like Jesus is not the only Begotten or begotten is not important... well thats not what i really looking for...

all i want is the yes or no answer from the 2 of you... for how many days i have been asking yes or no same question but you guys always apply evasive tactics. I suggest y'all cant answer so i have to move on...

[size=18pt]I dont care what you post Now on... if you are not answer the question then no point continuing[/size]

Ijawkid spy bot... make you look well well o...

Your friends don make me piss for laugh... Animals are sons of men. lmao

I av address your question
https://www.nairaland.com/1403841/why-jesus-son-god-not/13#17859582

Now you are scared to death grin

, you are running away grin

but left behind these;

you fail to prove 'form of angel'
you also fail to prove 'form of servants'

in 2(#g) mine defination is clear

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 2:20pm On Sep 03, 2013

[quote author=benalvino]

I see... Begotten is no more important again! [size=18pt]so why does the bible keeps screaming only Begotten son..[/size]. you guys keeps making me laugh...

im still surprised that you made beggotten unimportant below bolded

benalvino: ^^^ i ask you a question... you are bringing silly question. Lol

Jesus was In the form God... took upon the form servant... [size=18pt]I dont care what the form of servant is..[/size]. the truth is that he wasnt a servant at first... SO why cant you guys answer yes or no?

you fail to describe beget/begot/beggotten when bible was clear about what beget means

for example, hebrew 1:5 shows that there was a time jesus was not the beggotten, expecially before this statement

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”

you can see why frosbel ask that, can one be beget twice? but to keep focused lets not divert to frosbel case here.

the truth here was that since there was a time jesus was not the beggotten son, because of the a time limit and day set for the pronouncement 'today i have beggotten you'

he was just part of 'spirit sons' of God in heaven, since the word angel means messenger/servant as a task, spirit angel task as messengers/servant too are sons of God

we all know how bible describe beget/begot/begat/beggotten

here is the eathly chronology of those begat before jesus

father's name placed before the child beget or responsible for the child beget or born

mathew 1;
Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. 14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud. 15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar[b] begot [/b] Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob. 16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.

as you can see, the word 'beget' was reserved for God, in this context, who was credited to be as a father for the 'birth of jesus' definately not through intercourse like the rest here

how God beget or born christ, nobody knows, but since christ and the spirit angels are Gods sons, what can be derived from this is that christ was among God sons,and is the eldest, and unique that is why he was singled out as,'beggotten',

since spirit angels and jesus are Gods sons, the firstborn christ(not yet beggotten then) was brought into the world,

hebrew 1:6

6 [size=18pt]But when He again brings the firstborn into the world,[/size]

because among Gods sons, jesus is 'a son' hebrew 1:6

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”

I have already address the servant issues. you are only Looking for excuse. The Word "SERVANT" alone describes everything... servant is the one who serves his master, Who is loyal to his masters command...

see, dont let me be mad with you claiming lies what you fail to adress, ok do you adress like this or you were not even sure of what you were saying? hear yourself now,below

benalvino: ^^^ i ask you a question... you are bringing silly question. Lol

Jesus was In the form God... took upon the form servant... [size=18pt]I dont care what the form of servant is..[/size]. the truth is that he wasnt a servant at first... SO why cant you guys answer yes or no?

after failing to adress it, what i just need is, describe the form of servant, is it sensible to embark on a journey without knowing where you are going? give us a map, simple then i will say yes or no.

your fear was that there is no way you describe it, it will still fall within my ealier affirmation in 2(#g)on page 12.

[size=12pt]Did jesus Took the form of a servant yes or no

when you dont even know the form you are asking, who swallows that?[/size]

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:41am On Sep 03, 2013

benalvino: ^^^ i ask you a question... you are bringing silly question. Lol

Jesus was In the form God... took upon the form servant... [size=18pt]I dont care what the form of servant is[/size]... [size=18pt]the truth is that he wasnt a servant at first.[/size].. SO why cant you guys answer yes or no?

you dont care what the form of servant? then if you dont know what you are talking about how do you want someone to answer yes or no? in 2(#g) above i describe two categories of forms 1) and 2) so it is easy for someone to choose among them

[size=14pt]Again, what is the form of a servant that jesus took that you are talking about? [/size]

What ever you call or define begotten to be... Jesus is the only begotten son. Simple as that.

then you are not sure,simple,nothing special about the use of word 'beget' you pose BEGET or whatever just words as if God really had intercourse, i was waiting for you to shed more light,

then jesus is simply Gods son, not that God had an intercourse with a female he doesnt need that, but he jesus was the first son created by God, while other 'angel sons of God' were subject to jesus,

simple, jesus is the firstborn of 'sons of God'

hebrew 1:6;

[size=18pt] 'But when He again brings the firstborn [/size]into the world',

it is funny that you are talking of second born, which you want to change topic

Abraham is the 'only man God directly call 'my friend' tell me the second person that God directly call my friend?

after removing the veil of 'beget'

we can see that jesus is 'a son' not the so called 'the son'

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me [size=18pt]a Son[/size]

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