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Kay 17: All I'm trying to stress is that love is naturally selflessness along with other fantastic qualities, hence it is inconceiveable to have Love without selflessness. So all that "love with all your heart and strength" is still mere love.

However Love does not necessarily imply obedience to commands. Fear is the appropriate factor, not love.

love love love, you dont evenknow anything about love, you cannot even explain its practical applications!

Kay 17: All I'm trying to stress is that love is naturally selflessness along with other fantastic qualities, hence it is inconceiveable to have Love without selflessness. So all that "love with all your heart and strength" is still mere love.

However Love does not necessarily imply obedience to commands. Fear is the appropriate factor, not love.

you have just demostrated the fact that you hate GOD, YES YOU HATE GOD OF CREATION! You cant even imagine yourself practically loving him, AND OBEY HIS COMMANDS simple!

you take it upon yourself to play down what the scripture DEMANDED of you towards your GOD to obey his commands

at times most people like you who dont respect God comes into religion thread and commenting on issues that are meant for christians you say what you dont know because you are not one of the christians

as it is now, the topic of the thread is about a shameful act treated cowardly by a supposed-to-be so called pope francis who was held in high esteem and was expected to take the lead in preserving the morality upheld in the bible, but his stand on the issue forced someone who was a member of his church to change his view and question the eligibility of pope francis as a leader of christ followers.

you came in 'as a non-christian' to support pope francis when you dont 'live the christian life' so how can you make a meaninful contribution on this issue?
you cannot even mention any way that love can be shown practically to God, yet you feel that you can join on this christian issue, as you can see, you dont belong here if i may just tell you this,

you are NOT a christian as you have earlier mentioned, so you cannot know what we are talking about..that morality should be the order that is upheld among christians.

you are NOT a christian as you have earlier mentioned, you dont belong here if i may just tell you

ayolatun: My Treasures are up in Heaven. Even though I give 1000 naira, its not for me to see G.O sec. My treasures are up in Heaven.

i am not giving to G.O's church but Christ Jesus's church. Where are your treasures? Mine is up in Heaven.

did jesus tell you that he needs your money? answer me please, where jesus ever said that you should donate money!

why not give it to the poor the way he instructed so that you have your treasures in heaven


read it brain-washed-fellow:


Matthew 19:21

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, [size=14pt]go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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Kay 17: The question is: can one love without all his heart and yet with all his strength?

what is that love that you are talking about?idont know?

you have all the wealth of options to choose from

you saw other humans one on one,and you manifest a kind of love towards them practically

but the question is you dont see God the way you see humans, he is invincible

yes, Love is always unconditionally, made wholeheartedly, selfless, pure etc.

but how do you practically show it unconditional, wholeheartedly, selfless, pure etc. in these areas of command that you uphold,

that is to show the love you describe to God with:

1,all our heart,

2,all our soul,

3,all our mind,

4, and all our strength".

how, lets continue dancing around brother, i enjoy it!

Kay 17: Please answer my question in my last post


The patriotism example was to demonstrate how patriots love their nation despite the fact that the nation is abstract and not of real substance. I wasn't trying to say patriotism is better than love for God

i dont know what you are talking about, the issue on ground is ways that one can demostrate practically one's love for God, with whole heart, our soul, all our mind, and all our strength"

im not asking for comparism with patriotsm, but we have to establish ways that we can practically show the love in (1-4) above

sorry you are not a christian, and this is a christian issue, our discussion will be meaninful only if we can state ways that we can demostrate love for God with (1-4) above in consideration, any answer devoid of this is null!

anyway if you like be going round the question, but here i stand !

Kay 17: If I love God without any strength but with all my heart, is that Love?

(note) we cant proceed until you show how you can practically display the love towards God, you suggest patriotsm but its more than that, from the inspired records of early christian, patriotsm was brushed aside when it comes in conflict with doing Gods will, which shows that love for God should be superceedes patriotsm

Acts 5:27-29

27, The apostles were brought in and made to appear before the Sanhedrin to be questioned by the high priest.

28[b] "We gave you strict orders not to teach in this name," he said. [/b]"Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man's blood."

29 But Peter and the apostles answered and said,[size=18pt] We must obey God rather than men[/size].



Acts 4:19
But [size=14pt]Peter and John replied, "Which is right in God's eyes: to listen to you, or to him? [/size]You be the judges!

Kay 17: ^^
Patriotism, the love for one's nation (an abstract) is similar to loving God, cos the nation is abstractly conceived.

you are comparing devotion to your country to your creator? no! note that God said that he is a jealous God,

Exodus 20:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 for [size=14pt]I the Lord thy God am a jealous God"[/size]

what stops you from stating how to love God with your ,all your heart,

2,all our soul,

3,all our mind,

4, and all our strength".

Kay 17: ^^
Following te spirit of my two prior posts, the verse is making a storm out of a light rain. Love is always unconditional, made wholeheartedly, selfless, pure etc.

Hence the manner in which we prize/love God is the same with other humans.

you saw other humans one on one, isn'nt it? then you manifest love towards them practically

but the question is you dont see God the way you see humans, he is invincible

yes, Love is always unconditionally, made wholeheartedly, selfless, pure etc.

but how do you practically show it unconditional, wholeheartedly, selfless, pure etc. in these areas of command that you uphold,

that is to show the love you describe to God with:

1,all our heart,

2,all our soul,

3,all our mind,

4, and all our strength".

[quote author=JMAN05][/quote]even if anybody could come out to criticise the holy scripture, should it be someone paid for representing christ?

mumu cardinal , the catholics had lost it, as noted earlier, they are forming unholy alliance with people who already know their intention as PROSTITUTES AS THE BIBLE DESCRIBE THEM(people without a single shame)

now i understand what jesus warned about better;‘the abomination that causes desolation’standing where it does not belong'—let the reader understand

mark 13:14-23

14 [size=14pt]“When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’[a] standing where it[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—[/size]then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.

20[size=14pt] “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. [/size]21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22[size=14pt] For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.[/size]


there is no other way to prove that cardinal pell who does not believe in the holy scripture and openly fight it is 'part of the abomination' standing where it ough not to be that is; representing christ people in Gods house'

bible prophecies must come to pass

let the reader understand

Pastor AIO: You and who are we? lol

I quite agree with him that the story is not literal. And yes I agree that a snake did not talk to eve.

If you don't understand what he means by myth and how a myth could yet be True, and be speaking of truths then you need to go back to the definition of myth.

Furthermore the elements that make up the whole Adam and Eve eating the fruit story is found with varying interpretations in the iconography of all the surrounding peoples from Ancient Greece to Mesopotamia.

Good! , i hate when people are beating about the bush like italo who was forcing timing concortions that he had prepared on the issue.

pls spare me the myth explanations you may have, you have admitted what i needed, and have further join issues with the cardinal in fighting the holy scripture!

bolded above is the real thing

:

I quite agree with him that the story is not literal. And yes I agree that a snake did not talk to eve.

i want to state categorically clear here that the only basis shared by christ followers of which i agreed is the holy scripture

the cardinal teach what is not found in the holy scriptures simple! or did bible not explain itself very clear that Adam was literal? or did holy scriptures teach a so called elements that form a term and not literal adam?

see unconfirmed and unholy interpretations you are relying on;

Furthermore the elements that make up the whole Adam and Eve eating the fruit story is found with varying interpretations in the iconography of all the surrounding peoples from Ancient Greece to Mesopotamia.

was bible not clear that adam was literal, God moulded adam personally,and breath the breathe of life into his literal noserills, and adam became a living soul (literal)(genesis 1)

further adam gave birth to cain and abel and other chilren not named as the inspiration to the writer could reveal.

can you also give us element that form cain and abel?

And yes I agree that a snake did not talk to eve

when i said that the cardinal was fighting the holy scripture, and that he is unworthy to be representing christ, im i not right?

cardinal pell is unworthy pls, lets see the qualification of christ overseers that he is guilty of;


Titus 1:7-13

7[size=14pt]Since an overseer manages God’s household[/b]he must be blameless[/size]—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined.[/size] 9[size=14pt] He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.[/size]

cardinal pell should have "[b]hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it"

ah, shame on pell!

Kay 17: ^^
This is laughable!

And this fault goes deep into your concept of Love, which I believe is false and impure. Of what purity would Love have if it is not unconditional? None. If you believe love is possible halfheartedly, then you are looking a bad mirror!

oga, why are you dancing around the question?

you would have explain how we can love God with

1,all our heart,

2,all our soul,

3,all our mind,

4, and all our strength".

i thought you were sure of these before you posted the overidding commands, abi this one was nullified? if not explain how how we can love God in 1-4 above

waiting pls!

Pastor AIO: Mircea Eliade defines myth as follows: "Myth is a story about a creation of some kind or another, generally placed in time immemorial, the faboulos time of the beginnings. Myth is a sacred history, a narrative structure telling a sacred event or a scred happening. Myth may also be defined as a story about creation in general." (See also, "Aspects of Myth" and "Le mythe de l'eternel retour"


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ahy.bFYSfHIYTNNK5yhM9BAjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20060924070337AAVbrYU

WE have gone past THE NEED for your defination of myth

we have laid our hands on a better proof from controversial cardinal pell

this time around, it is not that the the story may be true or not, but pell said that THERE WAS NO LITERAL ADAM AND EVE AT ALL! he said they are terms;A word or phrase used to describe a thing or to express a concept,

see that in his link below,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell

on

Adam and Eve

"Asked by an Australian journalist in 2012 whether there had ever been a Garden of Eden scenario with an "actual" Adam and Eve,

Pell said in quote:

"Adam and Eve are terms – what do they mean: life and earth. It’s like every man. That’s a beautiful, sophisticated, mythological account. It’s not science but it’s there to tell us two or three things. First of all that God created the world and the universe. Secondly, that the key to the whole of universe, the really significant thing, are humans and, thirdly, it is a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and suffering in the world".

calculating a day for thousand years dont apply in this again, what a shame on clueless so called man of God

italo: @ bernimore,

Can you please be open and honest?

Did Cardinal Pell say
"According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve as the first man and woman and all people are descended from them,"?

Yes or No?

You criticize the Cardinal for saying it was impossible to know when there was a first human...

Yes or No?

#as for the first point you raised;
i just saw it from your response, that you said it was nt cardinal pell that said "according to genesis"......it seems a bit difficult to separate the punctuations of the quotes as in a very tight clumsy and brief report, there are ways a reporter can insert his own statement in a report, but the issue remains, it seems that you have seen the point im making about you defending pell, and pell unworthy to represent christ people

if you feel unconfortable with that which im yet to verify,so your request of yes or no is of no significant and on hold as overwhelming proofs were supplied to butress my point

remove that from his statement ,and it makes the case even worst,

#As for the second point,that i criticised "the Cardinal for saying it was impossible to know when there was a first human".

yes, im maintaining my grounds one of which is that 'im NOT alluding my point to WHEN(as in timing) but that pell cast doubt about adam and eve ever existed!

#i maintain from my first post that the issue here is not about timing[b] as you are forcing the argument [/b]towards the timing

see my earlier post;

bernimoore: rather than forcing timing on this issue, the cardinal was only expressing that he does not see where adam and eve 'fits in' in the human's existence. He is not sure that adam/eve can be responsible for the source of our existence!

[size=14pt]simply put; he cast doubt on our source of existence, by fighting the holy scripture![/size]

and to further prove my point, that when you are calculating a thousand year for a day, it can only be applied only the cardinal believed in the literal adam and eve which the cardinal says that they were not literal but terms


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell

on

Adam and Eve

"Asked by an Australian journalist in 2012 whether there had ever been a Garden of Eden scenario with an "actual" Adam and Eve,

Pell said in quote:

[size=14pt]"Adam and Eve are terms – what do they mean: life and earth. It’s like every man. That’s a beautiful, sophisticated, mythological account. It’s not science but it’s there to tell us two or three things. First of all that God created the world and the universe. Secondly, that the key to the whole of universe, the really significant thing, are humans and, thirdly, it is a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and suffering in the world".[/size]


the bible saying one thing, an unworthy priest was saying another as you can see above, stop forcing timing on the issue, cardinal pell is not a good leader in the christian faith, he is disgusting, and should have resigned!

[size=18pt]before you donate your fortune, think about this, but its not compulsory you change your mind!
think of the most important thing in your life is NOT TO CONTRIBUTE YOUR FURTUNE to a project that will not withstand the fury of the lords day![/size]

[size=14pt]remember that the lords day will COME ANYTIME FROM NOW and will destroy [/size]all this beatiful state of the art buildings even those built for Gods people, remember that it will come as a thief;


2 peter 3:11-14

[size=14pt]10 But the day of the Lord[b] will come like a thief[/b]. [/size]The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, [size=14pt]and the earth and everything done in it[b] will be laid bare.[/b]
[/size]

[size=14pt]learn from the beatiful temple experience! the temple where the jews worshiped was an example, the disciple recognised the expensive stones used for its building, but what did jesus said will happen to it[/size];

read;

Mark 13

13 As Jesus was leaving the temple, [size=14pt]one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”
[/size]
[size=14pt]2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one[b] will be thrown down[/b].”[/size]

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4[size=14pt] “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”[/size]

5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.

12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’[a] standing where it[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—[/b]then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.

20[b][b] “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.[/b] 22[size=14pt] For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
[/size]

2 peter 3:11-14


11[size=14pt] Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives [/b]12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.[/size] That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 [size=14pt]But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.[/size]

[size=14pt]14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, [b]make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.[/size]


"make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him" rather than thinking building a beatiful auditorium will make you spotless before the lord, a word is enough for the wise!

italo: You anti-Catholics dont even bother to read thoroughly and confirm what you read before you start your criticism.

It wasnt Cardinal Pell that said
"According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve as the first man and woman and all people are descended from them,"

It was the writer of the article.

Secondly, it was you who first criticized the Cardinal for saying it was impossible to know when there was a first human...

...then when I told you to tell us when there was a first man, you started accusing me of making it about timing.

Why cant you people be honest for once?

honest?

anti catholic? stop fanning sentiments and face the issue!

is cardinal pell honest with posing as a christ representative but denied the holy scripture he once relied on that made him cardinal

i have come accross this controversial comments before, and to prove that 'his comment is not about timming' go to his WIKI link below to get the full story;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell

on

[size=18pt]Adam and Eve[/size]

"Asked by an Australian journalist in 2012 whether there had ever been a Garden of Eden scenario with an "actual" Adam and Eve,

[size=14pt]Pell said in quote:[/size]

[size=14pt]"Adam and Eve are terms[/size] – what do they mean: [size=14pt]life and earth. It’s like every man. That’s a beautiful, sophisticated, mythological account.[/size] It’s not science but[size=14pt] it’s there to tell us two or three things. First of all that God created the world and the universe. Secondly, that the key to the whole of universe, the really significant thing, are humans and, thirdly, it is a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and suffering in the world".[/size]


since the question from the journalist is not about timing as you want to force us to believe, but "whether there had ever been a Garden of Eden scenario with an "actual" Adam and Eve"

cardinal pell: answered that adam and eve were not real! but qualifying terms;

"Adam and Eve are terms"

terms 3rd person singular present, plural of term

Noun
A word or phrase used to describe a thing or to express a concept, esp. in a particular kind of language or branch of study.

now do you consider all these before inputing the timing on the story?

Kay 17: ^^
The difference between us is that, you are able without shame to degenerate Love into unholy and impure fragments as romance, friendship, admiration. If I ask you what Love is, saying love is friendship does not adequate fit into our image of love. If you were to remove the quality of totality/unconditionality, there will be no love but a shell.

Rather define Love as a whole of parts.

you have not done that!

answer the quetion i dont know why it takes you so long

its here;

describe how one display the love to God in such areas as ;

all your heart,

all your soul,

all your mind,

and all your strength".

waiting!

italo: You tell us when there was a first human then...

the problem here is not about the timing, as you want to change the topic, but rather

cardinal pell could not imagine that 'all people could decend from a single pair of parent(adam and eve) as a source

this can be seen from the way he stated that "According to Genesis"

"According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve as the first man and woman and all people are descended from them"

omobarBlog: (Yahoo News) In comments that may shock some staunch Catholics, Cardinal George Pell has described the biblical story of Adam and Eve as a myth.
He appeared alongside renowned evolutionary biologist and atheist, Professor Richard Dawkins, on the ABC’s Q&A program last night.
Cardinal Pell said the existence of Adam and Eve was not a matter of science but rather a mythological account.
“It’s a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and the suffering in the world,” he said.
“It’s a religious story told for religious purposes.”
[size=18pt]According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve as the first man and woman and all people are descended from them[/size].
Cardinal Pell’s explosive comments came after he was questioned about evolution.
[size=18pt]He said it was impossible to say when there was a first human.[/size]
It is widely accepted in the scientific community that life on Earth has evolved over about four billion years
source:http://omobar..com/2013/08/catholic-cardinal-says-adam-and-eve.html

rather than forcing timing on this issue, the cardinal was only expressing that he does not see where adam and eve 'fits in' in the human's existence. He is not sure that adam/eve can be responsible for the source of our existence!

[size=14pt]simply put; he cast doubt on our source of existence, by fighting the holy scripture![/size]

kay17

now you can see that you are HARD PRESSED in describing how you can love GOD! without doing what his inspired directions says.

im happy that you have really think about it but could not come out, the question is atill waiting for you

describe how one display the love in such areas as ;

all your heart,

all your soul,

all your mind,

and all your strength".

below are the 4 kinds of love;


Storge – affection
Phileo – friendship
Eros – romance
Agape – unconditional love

omobarBlog: (Yahoo News) In comments that may shock some staunch Catholics, Cardinal George Pell has described the biblical story of Adam and Eve as a myth.
He appeared alongside renowned evolutionary biologist and atheist, Professor Richard Dawkins, on the ABC’s Q&A program last night.
Cardinal Pell said the existence of Adam and Eve was not a matter of science but rather a mythological account.
“It’s a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and the suffering in the world,” he said.
“It’s a religious story told for religious purposes.”
[size=18pt]According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve as the first man and woman and all people are descended from them[/size].
Cardinal Pell’s explosive comments came after he was questioned about evolution.
[size=18pt]He said it was impossible to say when there was a first human.[/size]
It is widely accepted in the scientific community that life on Earth has evolved over about four billion years
source:http://omobar..com/2013/08/catholic-cardinal-says-adam-and-eve.html

(bolded above)if a cardinal who people look up to as a devoted man of God with faith in God's word the bible does not even believe or doubt what was written in his own bible, it potrays the cardinal as MISLEADING and incapable of representing Christ people!

cardinal pell's problem was that he did not agree that all humans came from the first couple adam and eve, hence relying on his opinion;


"He said it was impossible to say when there was a first human".


[size=14pt]im·pos·si·ble[/size] (m-ps-bl)
adj. impossible meaning:

[size=14pt]1. Incapable of having existence or of occurring.

2. Not capable of being accomplished: an impossible goal.[/size]

im waiting for another translation of impossible, where it willbe translated to be 'posible'!

the cardinal lost it! and its a shame for him to even come out in that shameful way

Kay 17: Well obviously, if the two rules complement themselves, then obviously neither overrides the other because of the lack of conflict! Hence neither is superior to the other. And your definition and elaboration of the word buttresses my point.

we have gone past that level sir,

we are talking of applying the rule simultaneuosly and harmoniously!

ok, answer the next pls;

Love God simple, don't show hatred towards him.

simple! is not describing anything let us be honest,

you dont see GOD, he is not a human like you,describe how one can love him or

describe how one display the love in such areas as ;

all your heart,

all your soul,

all your mind,

and all your strength".

can these be true?

i just saw it on the link below, can chukwudi44 refute this?
https://www.nairaland.com/1389739/catholic-cardinal-says-adam-eve/2#17382621

BY: Evil Brain(m): 3:31pm On Aug 11

The same Catholic church that was torturing and burning people alive left, right and centre for over a thousand years until they finally lost political power. The same church that single handedly caused the dark ages in Europe.

The same church whose religious intolerance has virtually wiped out traditional religions in Europe, Africa and South America.
The same church that commissioned the crusades.

The same Catholic church that sanctioned the brutal sacking of Constantinople, a Christian city whose only crime was being a member of the eastern orthodox church.

The same Catholic church that mistreated European Jews for centuries and forced those in Italy to live in ghettos.

The same church that supported Hitler and Mussolini during WW2.

Catholics are victims of persecution,


that's why their priests can råpe children for decades without fear of prosecution and still retire with full pensions even when they are identified by multiple victims.

That's why governments around the world refuse to investigate their shady financial dealings, or prosecute them like the international child molestation ring they are.

That's why their former pope is being allowed to end his days outside of prison despite conclusive proof that he was the head of the conspiracy to cover up child abuse and protect pëdõphile priests. Those poor Catholics. Who is going to save them from all the persecution?!

chukwudi44: All this bible quotations you just gave here what has it got to do with this topic or the catholic church?

You agree that the catholic church is the largest and oldest church church in the world yet you question if they should be called christians?

Even the biblical scriptures you are quoting who canonised it and included it in the bible?

comment on bolded below;

Catholic church is the largest, and oldest,[size=14pt] but does being part of it guarantees life?[/size]

chukwudi44: Funny people claim catholics are not christians yet they claim christianity is the world's largest religion.Even the bible they use was canonised by the same catholics they call pagans.SMH

The first to come wins the tag.Catholicism and orthodoxy are the oldest forms of christianity in existence today.Together they constitute about 65% of the world christian population.Both christian denominations are more than 90% similar differing only on the authourity of the pope.

The fact that they are the oldest denominations today that use the tag 'christians' should go a long way.You cannot come after more than 1000 years to claim a tag that I have long been using and to think this is done by a minority faction.

[size=14pt]Catholic church is the largest, and oldest, but does being part of it guarantees life?[/size]

Matthew 7:13-19

13 “Enter through the narrow gate For [size=14pt]wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it[/size] 14 But [size=14pt]small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.[/size]

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16[size=14pt] By their fruit you will recognize them.[/size] Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise,[size=14pt] every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.[/size] 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, [size=14pt]by their fruit you will recognize them.[/size]

lacum: did i.hear u say biblical requirement, i tot u bible students argue that there is nothing like priest, bishop,cardinal,pope in d bible? ur even quoting d bible to support u? some of u pentiostals are quite funny. smh
people who have not read their bible are coming to challeng a bible scholar, smwww

who is the bible scholar? can you name him/her?

im not a pentecostal!

and yes, biblical requirements, if anyone says that there are no requirements, the person or pastor have compromised clear holy scriptures requirements,

let me show just 2 verses;

[size=14pt]Qualifications of Overseers, bishop deacon,etc...
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titus 1:7-13

Titus 1:7-13

7[b]Since an overseer manages God’s household[/b][size=14pt]he must be blameless[/size]—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled,[size=14pt] upright, holy and disciplined.[/size] 9[size=14pt] He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.[/size]

1 Timothy 3:1-9
New King James Version (NKJV)



3 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a [b]bishop he desires a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome,[b] not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Qualifications of Deacons


8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.

obviously Catholics, Cardinal George Pell did not go through this requirements contained in his own bible yet he was certified to represent christ people, a course jesus died for!

omobarBlog: (Yahoo News) In comments that may shock some staunch Catholics, Cardinal George Pell has described the biblical story of Adam and Eve as a myth.
[size=14pt]He appeared alongside renowned evolutionary biologist and atheist, Professor Richard Dawkins, on the ABC’s Q&A program [/size]last night.
Cardinal Pell said the existence of Adam and Eve was not a matter of science but rather a mythological account.
“It’s a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and the suffering in the world,” he said.
[size=14pt]“It’s a religious story told for religious purposes.”[/size]
According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve as the first man and woman and all people are descended from them.
Cardinal Pell’s explosive comments came after he was questioned about evolution.
[size=14pt]He said it was impossible to say when there was a first human.[/size]
It is widely accepted in the scientific community that life on Earth has evolved over about four billion years
source:http://omobar..com/2013/08/catholic-cardinal-says-adam-and-eve.html

at times you want want to ask youself how these cardinal/priest/overseer truly satify the biblcal requirements to be nominated as a cardinal,

how happy i was when these prophecies below is being fufiled in my lifetime


[size=18pt]2 Timothy 4:3

"For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear" .
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kindly;

1a, explain or state ways in details how you can apply the first command ; "love God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength".

to GOD


pls do that

kay17:For the first question, I have explained by myself sufficiently and more than twice. The commandments are both of love, towards God and humans.

i know,

but you said that displaying or applying the love towards God and humans. (b) "apply harmoniously
and complementarily".

you have already painted a picture of simultaneous usage by using the word 'harmoniously' and even more;

com·ple·men·ta·ry
ˌkämplə
ˈment(ə)rē/

Adjective

1, forming a complement.
2,(of two or more different things) Combining in such a way as to enhance

In music, harmony is the use of simultaneous pitches

Harmonization usually sounds pleasant to the ear when there is a balance between the consonant and dissonant sounds simultaneously.

In simple words, that occurs when there is a balance between "tense" and "relaxed" moments simultaneously. while producing a sound but with different voices sounding at same time

see the image below;

nnatom: i see u are fully out to display ur stupidity. Did u read my last post very well. And if u do and u still posted dat trash to display ur stupidity,then i rest my case cause ur stupidity has no limit. How many time have u been told go and sin no more and u r still sinning.mumu

im.becile, your gay pope is not worthy to lead christianity, you dont know me! nor have any fact of me as to any grievious sin i have commited, you are yet to do that,

but homosexual is one of the sin Grieve God most such that he rained fire on sodom/gpmmorah, your catholic is guilty as charged!

very soon your pope will LEGALISE gay marriage in nigeria, the way it was done in france, thereby legalising sin, ah shame on you, cover your face with shame, like jesus i will continue to flog you the way jesus CONDEMN the pharisees who are BLIND LEADERS LIKE YOUR POPE

MATHEW 23; 25-31

[size=18pt]REPLACE scribes and Pharisees WITH POPE FRANCIS[/size]

25[size=18pt] “Woe to you,[/size] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.

(moneys collected from relatives of catholics dead people whom they deceive with lies they they need those money to purge their sins in PURGATORY! POPE GUILTY OF EXTORTION)

26[size=18pt] Blind Pharisee,[/size] first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

(POPE failed to cleanse the gay attrocities in the church, thus, not worthy to lead)

27 “[size=14pt]Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.[/size]

([size=14pt] building of whitewashed cathedrals, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness, outwardly appear righteous to men, but[b] inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness[/b][/size]

[size=14pt]28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness)[/size].


29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’

([size=14pt]they murder bible interpreter and scholers including wylliam tyndale the pope was mute on the issue as at that time, thereby partaker in the blood of the prophets[/size] )


31[size=14pt] “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.

32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
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if jesus is on earth today, he will say this to pope francis!

you evade this question, and its popping up again

here is it;

answer this question, @kay17

[size=14pt] do you see 'an unrepentant sinner who feel that it is needless to seek redress and stop the sinfull act he engages worthy to lead Gods people as an exampler'?

pls answer that![/size]

Kay 17: This is unfortunate. BAD reasoning. The opposite of harmony is conflict not subordination.

Also, we are to accept that Mosaic law still susbsist, why aren't all the laws in leviticus observed??

answer all the question pls

state clearly what do you mean by (a) and (b) as i dentified above?

that is; state clearly what you mean by (a)"Neither(commands) are reductive or subordinate to the other"

and

note that you are reffering to the applications of the commands;

what you mean by both commands (b) "apply harmoniously and complementarily".

nnatom: lets call a spade a spade abi.
Lets read john8:1-11

John 8

King James Version (KJV)

8 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and[size=28pt] sin no more[/size].

So what do u have to say to this.

People like BENIMOORE will say christ is also an adulterer or a coward. And u will say he did nt call a spade a spade. Pls learn from Christ he never condemned her rather he showed her love and she ended up being a good fellow. So watch what u say.

bolded above, jesus was not expecting the woman to commit another adultery! simple

he wants the peopleto droptheir stone so that she would not be stoned to death but have another chance!

but your s.tupid pope francis as im.becile as he was he was like a rubberstamp tothe catholic gays, he dare not no say, 'sin no more' theywill kick his bom bom out of office


EWU goat like you can not see that

nnatom: you are big mumu o, so u dnt understand English. Pls read verses 1&2 again.

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2[b] For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and [a]by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

It is clear,note( ''Do not judge'') meaning,in fact answer dat ursef.

N
2,for d way u judge u will b judged and by ur standard of measure it will b meassured to u.

Note, d bible never said if u must judge.
Nw let me enlighten u,
the way u judge sinner A for a particular sin like homosexual,is d same way u will be judged for ur own sin let say ur sin is either fornication, stealing, lying, disobedient etc. So dnt judge for u might judge harshly, for u might b judged harshly too for a sin u might term small,let say lyin for example. Pls stop all those blablabla and let God judge cos he knws us more dan we knw ourselives.so stop ranting thinking u knw d bible and what it teaches cos u are jst as confused as a mad dog.

And Note,d bible never said IF U MUST JUDGE, rather it says,DO NOT JUDGE. This is For ur own good.

if you must wait for the last judgement have you done the unrepentant sinner any good?

by that time there will be no remedy, do you treat a gun shot with mere bandage? you are a big olodo like your stupid and slowpoke pope francis!

now i see that you are a block headed omo nna! you are OLODO RABATA OJU EJA LOMOOJE

POPE FRANCIS IS A COWARD!the whole world saw it! and a big disappointment ever to christianity, what a shame! Anofiaaaa, oh i pity him

Since you hate the truth, i will flog your bom bom with what you loved, lets go now!


nnatom:

since homosexuals run in your family, pls go on to practice it, but dont say that you are not aware of the consequencies..