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benalvino: Lol frosbel please also permit him to use the toilet... Very funny...

Angels are of different classes like saraphims.

now is and I know Satan a messenger?

Are the saraphims messengers?

Are the saraphims messengers?

Joagbaje: Angels are servants, we have spiritual angels ,and human angels

benalvino: [size=18pt]malak:[/size] a messenger
Original Word: מַלְאָך
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: malak
Phonetic Spelling: (mal-awk')
[size=18pt]Short Definition: angel[/size]

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[size=18pt]aggelos: an angel, messenger[/size]
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.

Benalvino:you making your self look more and more desperate... keep trying
common sense will tell you angelos and malawk are not same

see bolded from your own quote! im laughing here! are you reffering to the pronouciaion of malawk and angellos that they dont sound same way? is it neccesary, what common sense are you talking? do you need big lenses? even in your quote above, you denied the obvious is a shame! you see what trinity doctrine has caused you, a virus, i told you to go back to school, you dont even know your left from right, you are confused, go take a rest...im tagging this posts of contradiction of yours[size=18pt] 1(#h)[/size]

truthislight: ^^^

I dont like (1)discussing with liars/(2)deceitful (3)illogical and (4)unreasonable people, hence i try to stay away from you. I am not on this thread, why that ^ ? Why mention me instead of focusing on the topic ?

I dont know why you have to refer to me in your (5)directionless way.

Even others on the thread tried to address issues on this thread unlike you that is confused from inside out. Am not even on this THREAD to start with, why bring my name in ? Why not face the topic ?

Keep your own and dont mention my name if not for the sake of argument to a specific point and thread i am involved in.

I repeat: i hate liars and deceitful persons, hence, dont mention my name if you are not addressing an argument i made on the thread.

I dont know you, you dont know me, mind your business.

Except on topic of debate, dont reference my name/ID again.

benalvino: You are asking me a question I have already answered before. Its not the first time we are on this so stop acting like its new between you and I.

https://www.nairaland.com/1318212/firstborn-does-it-mean-first/30#16753568

That is your statement that Jesus is Michael the archangel.

This link https://www.nairaland.com/1318212/firstborn-does-it-mean-first/31#16771512

Is where you define angel and made a bad mistake. You said Jesus was an angel and you also said angels are spirits. You try to say humans are angels. Like the statement human messengers and spirit messengers.

Anyhow you put it jesus was not an angel befor he came to earth.

Me n you know that angels are servant of God and that is their nature. To minister...

Phil 2:5-7 says Jesus was not a servant at first then he took the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of man...

Simple as that he was not an angel.

The link above show your definition of angel... Cut long story short. Was the world subjected to an angel? Yes or no.

benalvino: I have answered this many times... So I want you to answer the simple yes or no question first... You and I know that you answering that question will end the argument instantly

benalvino: You are a jehovah's witness... Simple as that. [size=18pt]And yes you admit it am in a bus travelling atm so I can't go to my thread now to show you.[/size]

But remember when I showed you the contradiction from watchtower and the way you react... Supporting them and asking me to give you page number so you can check from your watchtower cd rom.

benalvino: I know your religion taught you Jesus is an angel... They went further to say he is Michael the archangel... So lets cut long story short...

from your many post in other threads you have stated that Jesus is Michael. Your religion teaches that... Try not to come as a sheep

Rossikk: It's funny isn't it? You actually have grown men with university degrees believing this stuff. Including that a man rose up before onlookers and 'ascended up into heaven', ''heaven'' of course being ''up in the sky'', ''somewhere''.

This is why I say there are elements of the occult (jazz) in christianity. People could not in their right minds believe that stuff.

benalvino: keep quiet i beg you... show us verse jesus was called michael or michael was called jesus or jesus is an archangel.
“He [God] has [size=18pt]not[/size] put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels” (2:5).

whom will it be in subjection? Jesus, “the appointed heir of all things” (Hebrews 1:2). “All authority” has been given, not to any angel, but to Jesus (Matthew 28:18). All angels, authorities, and powers “have been made subject to Him” (1 Peter 3:22). “In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him” (Hebrews 2: 8 ). Jesus, therefore, is not Michael, the archangel, “for it was [size=18pt]not[/size] to angels that God subjected the world to come” (Hebrews 2:5).

Joagbaje: The word means "minister " or messenger . So a christian minister who serves is an angel in this sense . It also means pastor .


Revelation 2:12
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; . . . KJV

Revelation 2:12
"Write this letter to the leader of the church in Pergamos:. . .. LNT

So we have the human angels by the virtue of their ministerial office and we have spiritual beings called angels who are spiritual servants

Galatians 4:14
. .. [size=18pt]but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.[/size]

BERNIMOORE: do you realise that the oneness with God includes believers, read it below in the same book of john;






@Hisblud

can you be sincere to reveal the same form jesus was when jesus said this;

john 17:20,21

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; [size=18pt]as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us[/size]: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

[size=14pt]so, we believers are also equal with GOD in heaven? using the analogy of 'the form jesus was when he was talking' as you claim to stress your point[/size]

i doubt your sincerity to answer this obvious truth!

frosbel: Sorry for the long wait, been dealing with other Tithe matters .


Anyway , here goes :


In summary , Jesus Christ did not pre-exist as an Angel, it is quite preposterous to make such a suggestion.

Jesus Christ came into existence ONCE not TWICE , he was begotten on a specific day through a Woman as prophesied.

As Paul very succinctly put it :

4 Then in the fullness of time, God sent his Son, born of woman, born under the Law,
5 in order that he might purchase freedom for the subjects of the Law, so that we might attain the status of sons.- Galatians 4:4-5


It requires a great amount of scripture twisting to suggest another non-existent existence , that Jesus experienced other than that narrated in the gospels.

If we say he was an angel , that immediately nullifies the following scripture :

"For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people." - Hebrews 2:17


Just like the Trinity, you would have to stretch the truth a little ,to conclude that Jesus pre-existed as a spirit being.


The basic truth it that the Messiah was and is a MAN , the second Adam , the first-born of all creation,

Example of his new creation :

"And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." - John 14:3

"For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." - Ephesians 2:10


GOD Almighty , is making all things new in Jesus Christ.


Lastly, if we suggest that Jesus was a spirit that came into a body, this means that Jesus inhabited a body which according to the Trinitarians would normally have another spirit, making it 2 spirits and hence 2 beings etc. It starts to get very chaotic when we consider various permutations of what the implications are of the constitution of Jesus , if we adhere to these pagan myths of incarnation.


The truth is that Jesus is the Son of God , who had a beginning , who obeyed his father all the way to cross and is now glorified , we are to follow in his footsteps in obedience to the Father and inherit as a reward, a tangible and literal everlasting kingdom on this earth where Jesus is the eternal King.



Peace.

Pastor Olu T: This is so surprising, I asked a simple n u started quoting without saying anything about the scriptures I asked the question from?
The question again, what point was Jesus making with the allegory, and what did he mean by fire, torment etc in the said scripture?
Answer this then we move to the second.

billtommy: Are we clearling saying/agreed by the advertised hell was created by men/human beings and not God?
@d questionaire........creation of heaven was clear......Gen 1:1 says in the beginning, God created d heavens and earth.;;so we realy have more dan one heaven?preachers that have claimed to dream of heaven should answer this oooo

Pastor Olu T: (a) Ok I will stick to the question. You claimed Jesus uses figure of speech in driving home His points, n I will want to agree with u on that for now. But I have a question for u, if he uses allegory so what's the point He was trying to make, or what exactly did He mean with the fire, torments etc.

(b) You said the story of Lazarus was not real, another question, so why put in real xters (Abraham, the prophets n Jesus inferred) in a story that ain't real?
Pls I will need answer to these as we discuss further

Hisblud: As open minded as the Jews that took up stones to stone Yahshua when He said the Father and I are ONE!

hisblud: We are learning... do you agree? Now this statement made by Yahshua was done on earth... do you agree?

Ubenedictus: actually he may say genesis 1 is a religious myth, though stories d work of God is outline, d bible isn't a science book, it is d relationship of man with God.
But catholic theology afirms that adam and eve, (whatever their real names were) were historical figures, to some extent i'm a bit suprised.

Enigma: And what did God the Father call Him?

"O God"! Hebrews 1:8





Good point!

BERNIMOORE: malachi 3:1 gave us the hint of what form that jesus pre-existed;


"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even [b]the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in[/b]: behold, he shall come, says the LORD of hosts".

God which is the father rightly reffered to jesus his son jesus as ' messenger of the covenant' note that he is still yet to sent jesus while he was making this pronouncement, yet he reffered to jesus while in heaven as 'my messenger.........shall come'

this shows you that he was not equal with the father!

jesus emptied himself 'by being obedient to go for an errand proposed by the father'(submission)

now when did jesus took the form of a servant? below shows that it was when he was made lower than the angels

hebrew 2:9

King James Bible

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death"....,

BERNIMOORE: @Hisblud

im posting this to you for the third time,

hisblud: Ok so you are in agreement that Yashua pre-existed?

Beretta92: Man created hell...shikena!