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006:
I don't search tire oo. I no see any reference to Josephine Anenih, pHD.
But she's qualified to serve as a minister because she is a lawyer.

You cannot judge her qualifications in a vacuum. Being a lawyer does not qualify her to head just any and every ministry at random. Your qualifications and experience should be relevant to the job.

stormm:
She's running on her own steam. Has a Ph.D

Ph.D in what and from where?

006:
@ chosen04, what's your problem with Anambra?
We, the people of Anambra, want the best not where the person comes from, so shut the fck up!
Do you think Anambra people are as silly as the rest of Nigeria and their retarded Federal Character?

Yet you sing a different tune when the shoe is on the other foot

kuramo:
You obviously don't understand the world of International finance if you have to question the success of a Goldman Sachs Managing Director.

For your information the position is not doled out based on ethnicity, religion , skin colour or state of origin for that matter.

To the ant on a table, the world is flat.
Your opinion of the level of success/achievement that should be associated with being an MD at GS (or any other 'accomplishments)' depends on your perspective and/or standards.
You can not dispute the fact that Aganga is just one of several hundreds MDs at GS. How much of an accomplishment that is, is a subjective issue.
So while you feel someone is trying to belittle Aganga, one can also argue that you are trying to exaggerate his accomplishments. It is nether here nor there.

kuramo:
For anyone to attempt disparaging the success of Mr Segun Aganga by describing him as ''ONLY ONE OF 1500 MANAGING DIRECTORS AT GOLDMINE SACHS'' shows the lack of exposure of that individual.

Is he not one of several hundreds of MDs at GS?
can you not also be accused of trying to exaggerate Aganga's success?

Only a narrow minded and ill educated bigot would even suggest that a well qualified technocrat like Mr Aganga who was born and bred in Lagos should represent the birthplace of his parents instead of Lagos.

so people are indigenes of states where they are born?  e.g. an Hausa man should represent abia simply because he was born in the state?

I am getting fed up with these so called Lagos indegenes who scrounge off the hard work of all Lagos citizens and residents whose ethnic origin may be Yoruba, Igbo , Bini or even Hausa.

The time has come to stop this nonsense.

If it is not applicable to other states, then why try to impose it on Lagos?

felele:
What qualified the last minister of Finance for his position in your opinion Is it better to have driven individuals in charge, than have "qualified" individuals with no drive of any sort

I think our experience with the likes of Kema Chikwe in the Ministry of Transport, El-Rufai at BPE, the late Mahmud Waziri at NIPOST and countless other "unqualified" individuals will let me fall on the side of driven and self-motivated individuals.

My own experience as an employer of Labour suggests to me that you need only a basic education, to degree level if possible, even a good O Level education, and BAGS of drive, ambition, honesty and self-motivation are all you need to succeed in most ministerial type positions.

After all, we had Aondoakaa, didn't we??

When someone is unqualified, the question of incompetence becomes rhetoric and moot. Your drive is only for hiding the shortcomings from putting a square peg in a round hole, and why some sectors like power are moribund. What next? that we employ a medical doctor as the minister of finance because he has drive?
Also, you cannot use the mistakes of the past to justify repeating same. Someone has to be adequately qualified for his job for him to deliver the goods.
You cannot make a case that someone deserves to be a minister without any reference to a specific portfolio, (unless you are claiming the guy is capable of doing everything  )
Pick a ministry that you think koro is one of the best candidates for, and then make your case, and not some nonsense that he deserves to be a minister because he has drive . Abi na danfo driver we dey find?

felele:
Mbulela, I have time for guys like you, because you generally tend to reason out your arguments properly and tend not to fly in the face of facts, and here are some for you:

While it is true that we have had filial relations with Ghana over the last few decades, it is also true that it has usually being a relationship hinged on need. Natives of each country have migrated en-masse to the other looking for greener pastures, Nigerians to Ghana in the 60s and Ghanaians to Nigeria in the 80s. These migratory patterns have resulted in bosom-for-tat expulsions, the most recent being the Shagari expulsions of the 80's, which produced the infamous moniker for a luggage item - "Ghana must go".

Today, in large part due to the positive, if unconventional engagement efforts of Musiliu Obanikoro, we now enjoy a symbiotic relationship, where Ghana plays host to thousand of Nigerian businesses and hundreds of thousands of Nigerian tourists. We are a grudgingly respected player in their economy, and our boys employ thousands of Ghanaians in their various businesses, the least of which are not Glomobile and GTB.

Whether Obanikoro fits our contemporary definition of a refined career ambassador or not, he has achieved results for us in a country where we were regarded with the kind of suspicion reserved for 419ers and ne'er do wells. The Ghanaian public perception of Nigerians has changed considerably, from a nation of fraudsters to a nation of investors. Koro engaged ACTIVELY with the Ghanaian government in a way no previous High Commissioner to Ghana has done, and it is to his credit that Nigerian/Ghanaian relations are at an all time high.

Musiliu Obanikoro deserves a shot at a ministerial position on the basis of his achievements in diplomacy, a field in which he was basically thrown in at the deep end, with no prior training or experience.

Mbulela, I need you to look at this matter dispassionately, and you'll see that the Musiliu Obanikoro that fought for the rights of Nigerian businessmen in Ghana will probably fight as passionately for the rights of his countrymen in their own country.

So being a good ambassador makes him a credible candidate for a ministerial job of which ministry? and to what end - diplomacy in the ministry?

FL Gators:
Say what?!!!!

Is this actually Yoruba?

San là ńrìn; ajé ní ḿmúni pá kọ̀rọ̀.
Lit Trans: A straight/direct path (or main road) is the way one usually takes; money is what makes one cut corners (or to take alleys).
Meaning: People act dubiously/perambulate when they have something to gain.

If the guy is truly form Edo state and is the desired candidate for the finance ministry, why cant he be appointed via the Edo slot?
More so some states like Anambra, Sokoto and Katsina, have two nominees; why cant one of those be dropped?

Remii:
Bi egungun nla ba so wipe oun ko ri ejounto, ejounto naa ko ri egungun nla.

If a big masquerade would not recognise statue, the statue would not recognise big masquerade either.

Respect begets respect. If highly placed personally looks down on lowly ones, they would stop to pay homage.

I thot ejonto was an euphemism/nickname for one of lesser stature/size/height (and not statue)?

Another version is
Eégún wọlé, ó ní òun ò rí Ejontó; Ejontó ní, “Àkísà ni, àbí kíní wọlé?”
The masquerade enters a house and claims he did not see Ejonto; Ejonto asked, “Is that a rag that entered the house, or what?”

Idiom

1. Oba wo aja
Lit Trans: The king has climbed into the attic
Meaning: The king is dead

So what is the story on Chris Ogwiewenyi that his the Edo state 'candidate'. Which portfolio is he billed for and what is profile like?
Anyone familiar with the guy?

I think another state like Ogun, Anambra, Sokoto or Katsina (all having two nominees), could drop one of theirs to provide an opening.

From the constitution, Part IV - Interpretation, Citation and commencement

318(1) "belong to" or its grammatical expression when used with reference to a person in a state refers to a person either or whose parents or any of whose grand parents was a member of a community indigenous to that state;

@Ioma
Could you please stop the piecemeal 'echoing'. A single link to the source would suffice, and not you regurgitating small parts without any reference to the original source.
If you want to start a thread on NLI feel free to do so, but dont swarm the current thread with less relevant info.

EzeUche:
Is he not Yoruba? These people should hush. I have no problem with this man being put in charge of this. He has the best credentials. There is no pleasing some people. Even if the person is from your ethnic group, people still get angry.

So all yorubas belong to one state?
Please try to comprehend the issues before commenting, and if you cannot, keep your hands off the keyboard.

Moyola:
Ejowo! Idiom {iso oro} yato sii Proverb {owe} beeni abi beeko?

beeni.

Asoro iyanro ni o pa elenpe isaju ti o ni igba wuwo ju awo lo
Lit Trans: Making an unqualified statement is what killed the Elenpe I (a Nupe king) when he said the calabash is heavier than a (bone) dish.
meaning: Choose your words carefully so as not to be misunderstood/misrepresented

Note: The background is that the king was tricked by one of his chiefs into a test of wisdom in which if the king failed, he would have to commit suicide. The devious chief posed a trick question: Which is heavier, a calabash or a dish? The trick being that a fresh calabash is heavier than a dish while a dried calabash is lighter than a dish. The unsuspecting king (thinking of a fresh calabash) answered that the calabash was heavier, but then chief claimed his reference was to a dried calabash making the king's answer wrong. Thus the king had to end his own life.

Pansa o fura, pansa ja! Aja of fura, aja jin! onile ti o ba fura, ole ni oko
Lit Trans: The dried calabash was careless hence it was plucked! The attic/rafters was careless hence it caved in! The head of the household that is not careful will be cleaned out by thieves.
Meaning:You need to be careful/attentive ot to fall into ruin.

Idowuogbo:
ojo to ro lo pe eye le ati adiye papo
(na condtion make crayfish bend)lol
some circumstances brings a clash of persona

ojo to ro lo ko eye-ile ati adiye papo
Lit Trans: It is the rain that makes the pigeon share abode with the hen/chicken.
Uncontrollable circumstances makes one bear some (lesser) company you would rather not keep.
Its often used in a derogatory tone.

illusion2:
I think we should leave Islam out of this but the post below is the most ridiculous excuse I've heard for banging a 9 year old  

Its not about whether it is right to marry a 9yr old or not, but that the issue wasnt specific to Muhammad. It was representative of the society he lived in. You cannot classify him a pedophile if the society he lived in approved of his actions.

ElRazur:
Again, are you saying the founder of Islam do not know the difference between a child and a grown up? Or better still a sexually immature female and a sexually mature woman?  

seems you have nothing more to say than the above.
I have little time to spend with someone that simply intolerant of another religion.

ElRazur:
You mean you dismissed evidence when you lack anything to go up against it?

Nice.

Unsurprising that you couldn't reproduce a non-existent evidence (after all you only had to copy and paste from the link provided if there was anything to copy)

ElRazur:
Once again you removed intelligence away from the founder of Islam. Clearly, you are saying he do not know the difference between a child and a woman?

By the standards of the time, she was qualified for marriage (and had been betrothed earlier to someone else before Muhammad).
The definition of a minor in the US is 18 while in Japan it is 20. So people in the US are pedophiles for having sex with 19yr olds?
You cannot describe as pedophilia, marrying someone that is deemed of marriage age in the society of interest

ElRazur:
Give me a break. If I dismissed every evidence presented in a debate, then refuse to debate or comment further when pinned down in a corner.     .    .    .    I guess I will post something similar to what you just posted.  

If the evidence presented are irrelevant, then they should be dismissed.
If my recollection is inaccurate, please feel free to post the correct version (with the relevant evidence you provided back then).
If memory fails you, here is a link to the thread in question https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-286267.0.html

ElRazur:
Here we go again.

Every society knows what a child is and what a child is capable of doing. I suppose you are taking away intelligence from the founder of Islam, that he clearly do not know the difference between a fcukable woman and a sexually immature female?

Joke is on you too.

and so there is a universally accepted age for a minor that has been existent since the beginning of time?
Again you have extrapolated that he had penetrative sex with the wife at an early age.

ElRazur:
Actually no. Thanks for putting a twist on the tale.

My argument if memory serves me right is that He married and shagged a minor. Something you denied. My arguments was he fought in wars and as such can not be a role model for peace or something along those lines. Something you refuse to acknowledge.

As it stand, you have shown a change in direction as per his marriage and act with a minor. That one na the koko of this point.

Nope. Seems you missed the part about the definition of a minor 
Simple question: in the Bedouin society of Muhammads's time, was Aisha considered a minor?

BTW your claim in the prior discussion was that 'Violence was the bedrock of Islam' but you failed to provide any Koranic verse (the universally accepted reference for Islam) to support it. Rather you wanted o extrapolate from the actions of Muhammad, but would not accept similar extrapolation for Christianity based on the actions of peter (i.e. Peter escaped from prison mean that prison break is the bedrock of Christianity ).

ElRazur:
Dude are you high? You once had a lengthy debate with me that this never happened. What's up with the change of tune?

My position has not  changed. IIRC, you claimed the quran preached pedophilia, but the discussion of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha are in the hadith (not the quran). More so the definition of a minor is societal dependent. The act was a reflection of their culture and not of his teachings (which is what you often try to extrapolate to).

ElRazur:
Attempt have been made to make illegal the marriage of under 18s - off recent - but Muslims cleric up in the north argues if mohammed can marry a minor, it is good enough for them. How do you deal with that?

Are the Muslim clerics the majority in the legislature?
If the bulk of the legislators are pedophiles (or supporters), then that is the problem you need to address.

The act wasn't peculiar to Muhammad and was typical of the Bedouin arab society of then. Before being betrothed to Muhammad at six, Aisha had been betrothed to another but when asked to solemnize ( ) the marriage, the fiance backed out since her father had become a Muslim.

The issue is a societal problem and not a religious one. The Egyptians are predominantly Muslims but their laws do not support the union.

The core problem is that the Nigerian law permits it. Simply change the law and it becomes illegal. shikena!

RoadStar:
@biina
I am getting a bit confused by all this words.
Let us summarise this.
CBN forcefully took over these banks from the shareholders because they were under capitalised ,insolvent and mismanaged.
The CBNs justification is that the banks owe money to the CBN and until the money is refunded, the CBN will continue to run the banks.

The first part is the reason the CBN intervened. The debts was not the justification. That they owe money to the CBN is a secondary issue. Part of the CBN debt came from the EDW and the other from the injected funds.

Are the appointed MDs answerable to the CBN ,the shareholders or are they independent ?
If they are anserable to the CBN, can we assume that for now, the CBN has assumed the role of the regulator and the regulated?

The appointed executives are independent within the broad directives given by the CBN to turnaround the banks. I see it as just being more direct, as all the bank executives in the sector are ultimately answerable to the CBN. The CBN does not own the banks, so I dont see how the CBN has become both regulator and regulated.

Where can you categorise the affected banks.
Bailed-out - Helped/Injected with capital or funds to be repaid later (Maybe with interest as in the case in US and UK).
Taken Over - Injected funds converted funds preference shares with CBN controling a majority stake and proportionate major boardroom powers.
Nationalised - Seized by CBN, to be resourcetated and then re-sold. All assets and liabilities are owned by CBN.
Liquidated - Administration (sell of the bank assets and compensate depositors). Withdraw their licences.
Other - Explain (within rational limits)

Bailed out with a pseudo takeover. It is not ideal, but that is the best that can be done under the existing framework. The CBN cannot buy majority shares, so has injected tier-2 capital in form of a subordinated debt.

In a modern world you should be doing things within ethical/legal means .
This is the reason sanusi is being treated with a lot of suspision.
Because even if he claims to be doing the right thing, his methods lack any ethical or rational foundation.

I dont see the ethical or legal issues. The CBN is trying to protect depositors and shareholders interest.

While Sanusi had the right to fire the erring bank executives and appointing new MDs.
There is no where in the BOFIA act(I am not a fan ) or constitution which empowers the CBN to take over or run banks
Sanusi is well aware of this hence his application in February this year to the house of assembly.

It also demanded powers to acquire the shares of an ailing  bank up to a level that guarantees the apex bank’s control  and management provided  that the CBN shall  at the earliest  opportunity dispose  of such acquired shares  when it is satisfied that the state  of affairs of the bank concerned has improved.
http://www.proshareng.com/news/singleNews.php?id=9146

The CBN does not own the banks. The actions of the CBN are supported by section 33 of the BOFIA. Having the ability to buy majority shares simply enables the CBN to easily restructure the non-executive side of things. I am personally not really in support of this (cos of the subjective time frame), as I dont want bank executives being political appointees like we had in the 1980s under the 'golden shares'.

Please note that the issue of control is not black and white but more of hierarchy and level of autonomy.

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