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@debosky Am not sure you are familiar with the lax supervision and poor maintenance culture that plagues various sectors in Nigeria. Many will still remember the ikeja cantonment bomb blast and the attendant loss of lives. We simply dont have the infrastructure and culture in place to support a full size nuclear reactor, and there is no immediate need for it as we have enough fossil fuels to meet our power needs. I am fine with planning for the future by creating the relevant labs and carrying out research, but we also need to improve the health sector (not sure we can detect and treat radiation poisoning in Naija), emergency response etc Lets walk before running at breakneck speed. |
tpia.:Allegations? The evidence is clear including the outcome of the CBN audit (or are you accusing the CBN auditors, SEC officials, etc of complicity as well). Sanusi is not trying anybody. He did his audit and has taken the actions he deemed necessary i.e.firing the executives. Criminal proceedings (if necessary) are up to the EFCC and the justice ministry. Sanusi is not the one charging the executives to court. As to defending themselves, if they feel that Sansui is making false allegations, the executives are free to sue him for slander and/or sue the CBN for libel. i am yet to hear of one such lawsuit. Accepting the ruling of the courts is dependent on your views of the judicial system, and not dependent on Sanusi views. If you feel the system is fair you will accept the ruling, and if you feel otherwise, you wont. |
Beaf:False debts? and over N100Bn has been recovered by the banks. I wonder who were those who 'donated' to the bank's cause.Nobody has successfully sued the CBN over the list, and you are just trying to blow the typos (which have been corrected and a a statement of the corrections made by the CBN) out of proportion. why dont you provide the evidence to support your 'all sorts'. Seems you have nothing new to contribute as you simply rehash the same stuff on every related thread. |
SapeleGuy:You have failed to explain how the opinion of Sanusi affects the fairness of the trial (which is what you are alleging), as judgment would be passed by a judge or group of judges. |
SapeleGuy:Nigeria doesnt run a jury system, so I dont see how public opinion equates to judicial ruling, unless you are alleging that the judges are biased and thus incapable of doing their job. |
naijaking1:All are in the public domain and yet you cannot provide a link to one ![]() You have equated the statements of the EFCC to that of the CBN, and have failed to provide any proof, and next you will hypocritically demand that non be accused until found guilty ![]() naijaking1:The quote does not prove anything. The statement simply stated that the publications referenced by the accused were not grounds for a dismissal. It states nothing about the content or veracity of the publications, which is what you were suppose to show i.e. where did the CBN parade the suspects and/or where did sanusi make false claims against the suspects with regards to ownership of properties. The article focuses on a side comment by the judge but ignores the core ruling of dismissing the case and having the trial go ahead. |
naijaking1:So where in the article did Sanusi state that the Bank MDs owned properties that were not theirs? ![]() Simply point it out (a simple quote or link will suffice) and stop misrepresenting the facts. |
naijaking1:Yes, it is very basic and easy to understand that at no point did the judge make a reference to Sanusi or the CBN when cautioning on the act of parading suspects in the media, nor is their any record of the CBN parading the suspects. You and the author are simply extrapolating beyond the scope of the actual statements. Sanusi is not the EFCC chairman. |
chosen04:Source please? or Sanusi is now the EFCC? ![]() |
I like the way Nigerians extrapolate statements. ![]() 1. Parading in the media is the usual habit of the Nigeria police and EFCC of showing accused people as if they have been convicted i.e. being arrested etc. The CBN at no point paraded the executives and at no point in the statement did the judge say or hint otherwise. But the statement has been extrapolated as being directed primarily at Sanusi and the CBN. 2. The second article by the South-South Economic Coalition only provides counters arguments against EFCC but at no point made any reference to specific statements by the CBN that were incorrect but the title implies otherwise. More relevant is that the judge deemed it appropriate to go ahead with the trial, and thus the accused will have their day in court against the EFCC and justice ministry (not CBN), and the opportunity to clear themselves. |
paddy_lo:U missed the point that it was under Bernanke that the exposure of the banks led to losses. Similarly it was under Soludo that the Nigerian banks exposure led to losses, not under Sanusi. Sanusi is only clearing the rubbish and trying to salvage the left over. u keep claiming bernanke didnt inherit a crashed system,but he did, Bernanke simply had to save the system,Bernanke assumed office in February 2006 and what Bernanke inherited was an exposed (not crashed) system. The system crashed under his watch. u cannot remove sanusi from culpability,because like i told u he has to face up to his own actionswhat harm has he done than making the banks own up to their losses, or you would rather we pretend that all is well. The damage had been done before Sanusi took over. everything Soludo did, bernanke has done, Forbearance and Expanded discount window was the first tool the feds used over hereThe EDW could have worked if Soludo had improved supervision like Bernanke did. Instead he left same executives in office, and 6 months later things were only worse. what u dont do is publish names of debtors in national dailies, further spooking the marketsFirstly, the method was successful as over N100Bn has been recovered from the debtors. Secondly, what is your suggested effective alternative (write letters? ) or you are just criticizing for the sake of it?what u dont do is suggest jungle justice, in a nation thatHe simply gave his opinion on how bad he felt the actions of the sacked executives were. The executives had already been removed before he made his comments. I dont remember a law barring the governor having his own opinion. what u dont do is unleash an ill thought reform process without a clear roadmap of where we are headedHe is simply enforcing existing regulations. Do we need a road map for supervision or you would rather he makes grand plans that have no effectiveness in reality cos of lax supervision? ![]() because when mr geithner of treasury in conjunction with the feds rolled out an ill equipped plan to buy toxic assets in feb 2009You call it incompetence, I call it effectiveness. For once we actually have a CBN governor that is willing to supervise effectively and you are suggesting he makes a roadmap before enforcing regulations. It is only after he has cleared the rubbish out of the system that we will have a true picture of the sector and make plans that are relevant to where we are and we want to be (and not some grandiose schemes and castle in the sky with no anchorage on reality that characterized the previous regime). You have still to explain why Soludo failed to tackle the first four problems he listed himself. |
paddy_lo:Being an investment banker is not the requisite experience for a finance minister job in a developing economy. Having a background in macro economics is more relevant. That does not mean the guy wont deliver relatively (particularly given the uselessness of the outgoing minister) but you cant make that argument based on him being a hedge fund manager. So for example, looking at Indonesian finance ministers from 2001 till date, Ramli, Royong, Jusuf Anwar, and Indrawati, are all economists and not investment bankers. |
RoadStar:The system crashed when Bernanke was in office. Equivalently, the system crashed in 2008 when Soludo was in Office. You are a Sanusi type of person. You see the world in black and white. Right or left.I asked the question because you made a statement that hinted that Soludo evaluation of the sector he inherited might not have been entirely true. Initially Sanusi didnt say much about how we got into the problem, until some people started questioning his integrity, by saying the audit was concocted, that the banks were healthy, and that Sanusi was just providing a false excuse to execute a northern agenda. Sanusi simply explained how we got into the current BS situation. It was the people that raised the questions that dug up the answers, or should Sanusi have kept quiet so that they can say the only reason he didnt respond was cause the allegations were true? There is nothing exagerrated in his description of the problem, and he provided figures to back it up, but some will question those figures without providing alternatives. Abi how do you know something is false, if you dont know the truth. But the increased lending capacity was real. The upsurge in the branches and employess were real.Increase lending capacity that was based on dubios capitalization? The lending capacity that was mainly exercised in the stock market, and oil & gas? The venturing into foreign countries that had begun since the 1980s? Again declaring losses is not a crime, but doctoring the books to make it seem you are making profits when in truth you have gone belly up is. The banks with interim management were illiquid after owning up to their losses. There is nothing dead about the banks, as non of them have gone belly up. The banks have simply become overly cautious as, having lost a lot of capital, they can no longer lend indiscriminately and hide their losses by doctoring their books. the problem has only been compounded by some elements spreading fear and doom in the sector, but all will return to normal in due time. |
paddy_lo:Wrong!. - It was Soludo that induced the system with the N25Bn capitalization which forced the banks to raise money that they didnt have clear avenues to invest - It was under Soludo that the banks got over exposed to the capital market - It was under Soludo that the market crashed (in 2008) - It was under Soludo that the banks were doctoring their statements to hide their losses - It was under Soludo that the EDW was created to save the distressed banks - Sanusi simply made the banks own up to their losses. So while, guilty or not, you can accuse Greenspan of negligence or inducement, the system didnt crash under his watch. Bernanke didnt inherit a crashed system, but Sanusi did. Soludo was the both the Greenspan and Bernanke Pt 1 of Nigeria. It started and died under Soludo's watch, and sanusi is only cleaning up the rubbish left. |
Beaf:So Sanusi wrote the list himself? or he should have sat down to personally vet every digit on the list? ![]() The list was generated from the banks, and the CBN only published it to help with the debt recovery efforts. |
paddy_lo:Have simply showed you that your choice of comparison is wrong. Sansusi-Soludo, is in no way similar Bernanke-Greenspan, |
RoadStar:and that conclusion is based on what - the falsified financial accounts? or was that conclusion reached after the banks over exposed behinds were burnt during the stock market crash crash. He was in office and failed to tackle (talk less solve) any of the major problems in the sector. I dont remember the oil sector requiring an EDW. |
RoadStar:I dont remember Bernanke inheriting a crashed system hidden under false reports from Greenspan, and when trying to fix things is aske the question why. ![]() You asked why Sanusi was fixing things, and he explained, but you turn around and say he is placing blame. Every newly appointed CBN governor should sound positive and upbeat. You cease being an ordinary individual and your comments can easily jolt the markets and dent investor confidence.are you saying he lied? ![]() Research on Bernankes speeches he too did not start mud throwing.Soludo's banking growth was a sham. When the banks were made to own up to their true positions, it became evident that the sector was in trouble, but seems you would rather we continue deluding ourselves with the falsified reports. The banks were 'vibrant' putting money into the stock market and buying their own shares ![]() Sanusi is putting first thing first, and whatever gains the sector makes will be solid growth and not some figment of someone's imagination. |
paddy_lo:why dont you explain why Soludo, having failed to do his job, is the next best thing since slice bread? |
paddy_lo:You are the one with ethnic bias, as you came up with no evidence to counter what I said. I dont remember Bernanke being found wanting at his job, so your comparison is unwarranted. When Soludo was appointed, he admitted that (you can verify from his first speech) the banking sector was in good health and he rightly identified the problems of the sectors as a) weak corporate governance, evidenced by high turnover in the Board and management staff, inaccurate reporting and non-compliance with regulatory requirements, falling ethics and de-marketing of other banks in the industry; b) late or non-publication of annual accounts that obviates the impact of market discipline in ensuring banking soundness; c) gross insider abuses, resulting in huge non-performing insider related credits; d) insolvency, as evidenced by negative capital adequacy ratios and shareholders’ funds that had been completely eroded by operating losses; e) weak capital base, even for those banks that have met the minimum capital requirement, which currently stands at N1.0 billion or US$7.53 million for existing banks and N2.0 billion or US$15.06 million for new banks, and compared with the RM2.0 billion or US$526.4 million in Malaysia. f) Over-dependency on public sector deposits, and neglect of small and medium class savers. It was shocking that he ignored the first four problems and simply went after the last two (which were less of problems but areas that needed improvement). A few years later, we are in crisis due to the unchecked growth of the first four problems, and you are saying Soludo is the best thing since slice bread I beg stop drinking Soludomine like if its palm wine, and answer why your 'perfect' CBN governor failed so woefully.Now Sanusi is tackling those four problems and you are shouting blue murder. If Soludo had done his job right, Sanusi wont have had to come in to be doing cleanup work. In fact we probably wouldnt have had Sanusi has CBN governor, as there would have been no clear reason to replace Soludo. Seems you guys cant admit that a northerner is delivering where a southerner had failed. Learn to positively criticize failings, and give credit where credit is due. |
asha 80:meaning hat/cap for male friend? |
PapaBrowne:Soludo led us into the quicksand we are in. Upped the bar? maybe of failing banks! |
FL Gators: nice try but sorry you are wrong. |
freezy:I asked you a simple question of which part of his plans requires 10-15yrs and simply gave you an example of one (solving the toxic asset problem) that did not. So again which part of the plans requires 10-15yrs or is it a figment of your imagination? ![]() |
freezy:Which part of the policy requires 10-15yrs? ![]() The AMC bill is almost done and the banks will be back under shareholders control by the end of the year. |
That is sad if he wrote it or it was published with his knowledge. A common problem in Nigeria is that we seem to find it difficult to point out to people in authority where or when they might have gone wrong. This is different from passing judgment or condemning them. Nobody is perfect, and even Moses made a mistake. The knowledge of right or wrong is not localized to anyone. I wont be surprised if some other members of the church had reservations about the entry and didn't think it right to raise the issue. |
rhymz:1. One man army crossing his constitutional boundary? has this been proven in court? ![]() 2. Layman observation of EDW? the banks were audited and found to have put depositors at risk and doctored their books to hide their losses by not provisioning as clearly stated in the SAS 3. At no point did he make defaulting on loans a crime, but simply tried to (and successfully too) help the banks recover some of their non-performing loans. The only people in trouble are those that obtained loans outside of due process. 4. The CEOs were sacked after their banks had been audited. There is no justification for waiting for the second batch of banks before taking appropriate action. Those found wanting in the second round were also dealt with accordingly. Views like yours explain why Nigeria is so bad, as you cannot see beyond your prejudices and evaluate issues based on facts. Sanusi is doing what needs to be done, and which Soludo identified and yet did nothing about it. Instead Soludo was building castles on sand, or was it Sanusi that let the banks be over exposed to the stock market and let the market crash in 2008? The guy is trying to save the sector and giving you a true picture, but Nigerians would rather continue in ignorance (which they say is bliss). The banks were in trouble before Sanusi took over. He simply made them own up to it or Sanusi should have left the corrupt executives in office and let them drag down the entire sector? ![]() You question the basis for his actions, he explains, and you now accuse him of ridiculing his predecessor? Should he have hid the shortcomings of the previous regime so that you can say there was no basis for his actions? All of you come online to criticize Sanusi, but none of you come up with facts and figures to support your allegations, nor can propose an effective solution to the problems. Yet the one man that does his job is called a villain. As time as evolved and they have lost one argument, they have come up with another baseless one. Initially it was the northern agenda - it failed to materialize, then came illegal firing of executives - they couldnt prove it in court, the audit report is false - they are yet to present the true version, now it Sanusi ruined the economy a if he was the one that crashed the stock market, and yet MAN is applauding his efforts to inject fund into the manufacturing sector. |
What is the word for condom in the various languages (yoruba, Igbo, Hausa etc) ![]() |
RoadStar:The problem is that you did not give Sanusi the benefit of doubt, nor carry out due research, before making the earlier statement. This is representative of most anti-sanusi posters. |
The union are doing what you would expect of them i.e. protective their collective behind. @Akanbi_edu Privatization is not a silver bullet. |
I dont think any sound christian would try the defend the issues the OP has raised. The only question is the level of complicity of various members of the church hierarchy e.g. did the GO actually compose and/or vet the said writings or was it someone's brilliant idea to print it in his name to improve sales. At the least, the RCCG hierarchy are guilty of negligence, and anyone who actually reviewed and approved the publication has done a disservice to christianity |
ayettymama:naija woman - u neva tan reach? ![]() |

and over N100Bn has been recovered by the banks. I wonder who were those who 'donated' to the bank's cause.