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"If you Fail to plan, You will plan to Fail"
what happens if your plan to plan fails

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yicob:
What are those in State and Federal Inland Revenue Service doing if their work can't be justified? Its better the government scrap these bodies.

Thats like saying we should scrap the postal service because the unplanned nature of most Nigerian town and cities, makes postal deliveries difficult.
If you scrap the tax collection system then what? No taxes = reduced income for the government= loss of jobs in the civil service.
The right direction is to work towards a more accountable system

Effective taxation is always difficult when you have an open ended financial system. The are so many transactions in Nigeria that go unaccounted.
The fact that it engenders corruption at all levels makes the problem even more difficult to tackle, as those in positions of power would rather we maintain status quo.

@nuzo
A baseless statement is a conclusion reached without premise. That you disagree with a conclusion does not make it baseless.

I think the more relevant question is "do husbands want to be in the labour room?" cos child birth no be moi-moi
If d woman hold ur hand during labor, na all ur carpals she go grind to dust!
When small pikin see fear, im sef go fear!!!

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a 484

Seems I am missing something, but I cant find the statement attributed to the senate president anywhere in the OP?

In the old days, with unmechanized farming being the main occupation, a larger family was desirable as it equated to larger labor force. Thus men married more wives, so as to have more sons who could work on the farm. As a consequence, the size of ones family was seen as a measure of wealth, and thus even people who were not primarily into farming (royalty, hunters, warlords etc) acquired wives to the extent they felt befitted their status. The often overlooked aspect of this arrangement was that it hid, and possibly encouraged, the promiscuous desire of men.

The family would live in the same compound/house, with the man and each wive (and their kids) having a separate sleeping quarters. The setup for feeding is often ad hoc, with the wives taking turns in cooking for the man, and often each wife cooks for her own children, but in certain cases you can have communal feeding. Sex is often on rotational basis, with the existence of wild card days, the man have veto powers.

The choice of who to marry rested solely with the man, though, depending on his relationship with his first wife, he could solicit her opinion on it. Most often the first wife is the closest to the man in matters confidence as she has the longest history with man (often knowing details of his small beginnings). The youngest wife is usually the choice wife, as she is often younger and more active sexually. Unfortunately her authority is only slightly above that of a mistress, unless she enacts them via the man.

The hierarchy in authority of  the wives is similar to what you would have between student of different years in high school, with the authority not being premised on year of entry into the school. In the absence of the man or any of the wives, the oldest wife present assumes full authority.

At death, the responsibility of the man falls on his first son, and if he is too young, on a senior member of his extended family. In the latter case, the wives are often ceremonially remarried to his sibling, so as to have some be responsible for their needs.

Coming to present times in Nigeria, multi-wives arrangement are more commonly a result of greed or poor judgment on the part of the man. Islam formally accepts polygamy, while quite a number of christian denominations (like the Anglican church) are passively complicit.

To manage the conflicts that often arise from the arrangement, the women are usually habituated in different locations (though I think cohabitation is still prevalent among the Muslims).

At death, the man hopefully has a legal will that can be upheld, otherwise a variation of the earlier stated arrangement would apply. Nevertheless, the situation will often degenerate into intense struggles like a pack of hyena fighting over a carcass.

As time progressed, the cons of a polygamous arrangement have come to outweigh the pros heavily. In the blue corner, outside of satisfying the sexual curiosity of the man, and the possible resolution of lack of children of a specific gender, there is little one can say in favor of the arrangement.  On the other side, in the red corner, one has the numerous problem that arise from the jealousy and competition for limited resource.

ElRazur:
This is a debate. Please feel free to come direct at me. I detest "indirect talk". I never "beat the drum of war" I merely highlighted a possible outcome given the situation at hand. I did also gave more reasons as to why I believe a war may be the solution. To defend a point is not the same as asking people to go to war.

Dude I am kinda getting tired of having to rephrase myself with you every now and then.

and you are so sure the comment was directed at you, even when you cant find a reason for why?
I think you give yourself too much credit.

Those that beat the drums of war, have obviously never been in one.  I advise you watch a documentary on (better still take a trip to) one of the war torn African countries, and I am sure any sane man would be against a war Nigeria.

While saddening, I am less surprised when Nigerians who live in a foreign land sing war songs, as they are sure they would be far away from the consequences. What baffles me most, is when those that live in Nigeria join the chant. When a mad man chooses to dance naked in the village square, his neighbor should not adopt his antics.

For me solving the problem of Nigeria is not about civil war or revolution. Rather it is about each and every one contributing the little they can towards making it better.
Its not about what Nigeria has done for me, but for me to look back and be able to say this is what I have done.
Its not about holding a political office or being at the head of any establishment, but me doing whatever I can to improve the standard of living of one or more Nigerians
Like fela said, 'omolanke pusher get power over im omolanke'. I only intend to use my omolanke to better the life of another
Where I live is irrelevant, as I only focus on finding little opportunities to make the life of another Nigerian better (be it home or abroad)
I do not see the point in asking "what do I get in return?", as such selfish thinking got us into the deep sh*t we are in.
It does not require any major changes in my way of life or sacrifices on my part, only that I am mentally ready to seize such opportunities when they arise.
Examples,
- A friend who is a doctor abroad, helps people in naija with the purchase of prescription drugs that are often scarce or adulterated in naija, at no extra cost.
- A friend  is taking up an academic position at a university abroad. He plans to take two or more Nigerian students into his group for phd studies (hopefully with funding).
- A friend in Naija provides pipe borne water for free to members of his community.
The hope is that bit by bit we get rid of the selfish mentality that seems to be so ingrained in our society, and has brought us nothing good, and from their move onwards to better things.
I might be wrong in my thinking, but I dont see the harm in trying.

For those that would rather stay away, as Nigeria has done nothing for them, I only hope they will be upright and honorable enough, that they  (and their descendants) stay away forever, even if Nigeria changes for the better. I deem it an instance of daylight theft,  if one, whose parents abandoned Nigeria, feels they deserve a part in the inheritance when things turn for the better. This I doubt as when the yam is being cooked, all are unaware; but at the sound of pestle pounding yam, all rush to join the festivities

There is nothing wrong with Banom asking his questions, and Seun responding accordingly as he deems fit. It is simply another opportunity for seun to interact with a customer.
Everybody else should stay out of it, as none of us are in a position to set boundaries for Banom.

girl22:
1. homosexuality: homosexuality is an individual choice, and while most societies in and outside of Africa did not accept it, there are historical evidence of the existence of homosexuals in various nations like the Egyptian kingdom. Historical records also make reference to some practices of sodomy by warlords as a supposed way of gaining spiritual authority over their opponents.

the greeks were in ancient egypt. before the european entered it was not practiced.

Pls see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Africa and references there in

Though often ignored or suppressed by European explorers and colonialists, homosexual expression in native Africa was also present and took a variety of forms. Anthropologists Stephen Murray and Will Roscoe reported that women in Lesotho engaged in socially sanctioned "long term, erotic relationships" called motsoalle.[129] E. E. Evans-Pritchard also recorded that male Azande warriors in the northern Congo routinely took on young male lovers between the ages of twelve and twenty, who helped with household tasks and participated in intercrural sex with their older husbands. The practice had died out by the early 20th century, after Europeans had gained control of African countries, but was recounted to Evans-Pritchard by the elders to whom he spoke.[130]
The first recorded homosexual couple in history is commonly regarded as Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum, an Egyptian male couple, who lived around the 2400 BCE. The pair are portrayed in a nose-kissing position, the most intimate pose in Egyptian art, surrounded by what appear to be their heirs

Alexander conquered egypt in 332 BC (over 2000 years after).
Other evidence of homosexuality in ancient egypt is the story of Horus and Set

Then Set said to Horus: "Come, let us have a feast day at my house." And Horus said to him: "I will, I will." Now when evening had come, a bed was prepared for them, and they lay down together. At night, Set let his member become stuff, and he inserted it between the thighs of Horus. And Horus placed his hand between his thighs and caught the semen of Set.

2. beastiality: Again, while not accepted by the mainstream society, bestiality has always been part of the rituals of some religious sects in Africa

what religious sects? europeans have the tendacy to tell stories froim their point of view.

Some fulanis are said to sleep with their cattle to gain firmer control over the animals. Also, among the yorubas, some sleep with animals as part of rituals to gain wealth or spiritual powers. The Europeans did not define our traditional beliefs, and in fact tried to get rid of some practices that were deemed barbaric.

3. promiscous: Promiscuity is irrespective of race, and is only confined by as much restrain the society puts on it. Africa has always had prostitutes, concubines, and children out of wedlock. IIRC in the culture of the masai, the father of the groom is expected to sleep with the bride to confirm her virginity.

that has nothing to do with fucking everythig in sight

Promiscuity is defined as sexual relations that is not restricted to a single partner, hence the above examples qualify
While female promiscuity has always been frowned upon in Africa and most societies, male promiscuity on the other hand is often encouraged in and outside of Africa. Yet the concern of female promiscuity was so grave in Africa that some tribes practiced female circumcision, while others resulted to spiritual means.

4. racism: Racism (which is essentially prejudicial treatment of another based on  their ethnicity) is more common to human nature than most will admit. It is just that the white vs black  case is well advertised. Racism existed within the old society, e.g. with members of minority tribes being treated as being inferior.

Such differences have carried over to modern day with issues like ethnic segregation in Nigeria, or the genocide in rwanda.

again that is after europeans colonised africa

In pre-colonization ile- ife, (and most part of the oyo empire) rituals requiring human sacrifices were carried out using non-indegenes. Racism between african tribes is often called tribalism.

6. terminal illnesses: This is a subjective term, as what is terminal some years ago, may no longer be terminal today. As humans relate across intercontinental borders, so do diseases. And while they may have given us some infections, am sure we gave them as good (if not more) than we got.  For example, small pox is believed to have originated in Africa, and did much damage in Europe. Luckily the Europeans came up with a cure, which was also beneficial to us.

smallppoxcame from europe i learned that in my science class

The earliest evidence of skin lesions resembling those of smallpox is found on faces of mummies from the time of the 18th and 20th Egyptian Dynasties (1570–1085 BC). The mummified head of the Egyptian pharaoh Ramses V (died 1156 BC) bears evidence of the disease. The first recorded smallpox epidemic was in 1350 BC during the Egyptian-Hittite war.
Smallpox reached Europe between the 5th and 7th centuries and was present in major European cities by the 18th century.

11.  chattel slavery: This is actually the primary form of slavery, as the master owns the slave, the slaves offspring  and material wealth. The Europeans did not introduce slavery to Africa, they only provided a new market.

the africans did not force generations of people to be slaves for lif without pay

Slavery is almost old as civilization. Slavery is hereditary, as in the child of a slave, is also a slave, and nobody pays a slave to work . The Israelite were held as slaves for over 300yrs by the Egyptians (without pay!), and same was practiced in every part of the world (including the old kingdoms of pre-colonial Africa). Slaves rarely got their freedoms, and when they did, it was often by good fortune and not design.
In the old oyo kingdom, if you failed to pay back a loan within the set term, by de jure, you and your family automatically became slaves of the lender without redemption (tribal ties were irrelevant).
Your perception of slaves getting their freedom is a western introduction.

13. apartheid : was a system of legal racial segregation enforced by the National Party government in South Africa between 1948 and 1994. and is thus localized to SA
the europeans invented aparthoiied

One does not invent apartheid as it is a Afrikaan word used to describe racial segregation .Saying Europeans invented apartheid is like saying Nigeria invented 419!

15. man man diseases such aids, herpes, swine flu ect: There is no such thing as a man made disease. What you have is an engineered variant. Given the level of technology, it is not yet possible for African to carry out such research, and thus one cannot state what would happen if we did. That said, there is no evidence that the diseases you listed are man made.
yes man can inventdiseases.  ill post info

Save yourself the trouble as science is yet to create life.
Diseases can be described as infectious and non-infectious.
Non infectious diseases cannot be created as they cannot be transmitted.
Infectious diseases are caused by living organism, and unless you can create life, you cannot create a disease. What you can do is to engineer an existing pathogen.

eina:
Thats not true. I have read your previous posts and discovered you are definitely good with languages. Its not a question of writing and passing it, but your ability to master it. not everyone can become good in a language by TV, novels and movies. The ability of one to master a language is individual dependent. Human beings do have different capability levels.

My reference to not being good with languages was not with respect to fluency in English or my mother tongue, but rather my failed attempts at learning another foreign language. 

I have tried learning the other major languages in Nigeria along with a handful of foreign ones (e.g. french <solemnly remembers the french babe I missed out on cos of poor communication>, Spanish, Japanese), and outside of the casual greeting and descriptive words for the opposite sex, I have nothing else to show for it (despite all the investment in books, tapes, and software,   )

That is why I have decided to campaign that the whole world adopt English as the official language, with pidgin English and my native dialect for informal discussions.

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Sagamite:
Moronic bollocks.

ROTLLMFAO
funny but unwarranted.

Sagamite:
Do you honestly think and hope I have the time to be discussing at your level of thinking? Do you?

It was the white man that brought you rape, promiscousity, terminal illness, child abuse, slavery?

If you want to discuss you moronic views I will put you in contact with ikeyman00 and OneNaija.

Don't bloody know which schools you went to and what they thought you and what entered your head. But I think your brain is dead.

That response does more harm. It would be more helpful if you simply pointed her to relevant sources that could educate her.
There is no point in complaining about others' point of view or reasoning, if you are unwilling to help them better themselves. Everyone looks at the world through thier own paradigm, which is essentially based on their own experiences.
If you know better, it behooves you to educate others of lesser knowledge on the issue, else to what good is your knowing better.


@girl22
Your assertions are wrong

1. homosexuality: homosexuality is an individual choice, and while most societies in and outside of Africa did not accept it, there are historical evidence of the existence of homosexuals in various nations like the Egyptian kingdom. Historical records also make reference to some practices of sodomy by warlords as a supposed way of gaining spiritual authority over their opponents.

2. beastiality: Again, while not accepted by the mainstream society, bestiality has always been part of the rituals of some religious sects in Africa.

3. promiscous: Promiscuity is irrespective of race, and is only confined by as much restrain the society puts on it. Africa has always had prostitutes, concubines, and children out of wedlock. IIRC in the culture of the masai, the father of the groom is expected to sleep with the bride to confirm her virginity.

4. racism: Racism (which is essentially prejudicial treatment of another based on  their ethnicity) is more common to human nature than most will admit. It is just that the white vs black  case is well advertised. Racism existed within the old society, e.g. with members of minority tribes being treated as being inferior. Such differences have carried over to modern day with issues like ethnic segregation in Nigeria, or the genocide in rwanda.

5. Rape: Like stealing, existed in all societies, and is usually rampart during times of war.

6. terminal illnesses: This is a subjective term, as what is terminal some years ago, may no longer be terminal today. As humans relate across intercontinental borders, so do diseases. And while they may have given us some infections, am sure we gave them as good (if not more) than we got.  For example, small pox is believed to have originated in Africa, and did much damage in Europe. Luckily the Europeans came up with a cure, which was also beneficial to us.

7. anal sex: (see 1.)

8. child abuse: Sexual intercourse with underage children has always existed in societies that marry girls of young age, and also among royal families where the prince is expected to hone his sexual skills at an early age.

9. animal abuse: Africans have always offered animals as sacrifice, and hunted them for sport, while at the same time some were held sacred.

10. poverty: Poverty is a financial state that belongs to the lowest financial class of any society.

11.  chattel slavery: This is actually the primary form of slavery, as the master owns the slave, the slaves offspring  and material wealth. The Europeans did not introduce slavery to Africa, they only provided a new market.

12. jim crow by definition is a law in the US and not Europe

13. apartheid : was a system of legal racial segregation enforced by the National Party government in South Africa between 1948 and 1994. and is thus localized to SA

14. holocausts: is the term generally used to describe the genocide of approximately six million European Jews during World War II, as part of a program of deliberate and systematic state-sponsored extermination planned and executed by Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler. By definition is it limited to that event only

15. man man diseases such aids, herpes, swine flu ect: There is no such thing as a man made disease. What you have is an engineered variant. Given the level of technology, it is not yet possible for African to carry out such research, and thus one cannot state what would happen if we did. That said, there is no evidence that the diseases you listed are man made.

16. spying on people: Espionage is an essential part of governance and warfare in all societies from time immemorial. Intelligence information has always been gathered by people in power either for state use or selfish reasons.

Na wa o! all dis palava on top bull shit!!!

a - 486

I wouldn't mind taking you up on the challenge.
Between us, am sure we can generate enough sparks to incinerate the competition, and bring out the fluorescence in you.

H: whats for dinner
W: flying fish!

person wey wan die, jam person we go kill and bury am. shikena!

e be like say she get dem plenty, and me I no dey play second fiddle

A 480

To all team B members, stay off this thread


Team A: go, go, go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Gabrywyl
Compared to me and my lowly two languages, you have quite an arsenal. I have never been good with languages: failed french in school, and struggled with English for the most part. Thank God for  TV, novels and movies, else I would have been carrying a loaded M-16 every time I typed in English. My use of English is just a case of practice makes, if not perfect, at least good.

I am not a teacher by profession, but I do teach ever so often (and the subject matter is never English - for the sake of future generations).

As per marriage, as long as you marry a Nigerian, no wahala.  I know you love us, and we also love you, so its a simple case of '4 upon 2,  no remainder.' Anything else na jara
Now if you don't marry a Nigerian - wahala go dey o.

a 474

Definitely a nice choice.
I am quite impressed with the reason for your choice, as the meaning of a name is given strong consideration in Nigeria.
If you do adopt the name for real (like a middle name, pet name or whatever), it would be a nice surprise for your would be in-laws (particularly the more traditional ones among them), as it would give them something to relate to that's not far from home, and they would see you less as a foreigner.

Q2: How many languages do you speak/write, and which is your first/main/primary language?

Having a nice boyfriend and finding a nice husband are iid r.vs

JustGood:
Have you ever heard of British comedy? Its based on nothing but insulting other people, races and nationalities.

Go to predominantly white places and REALLY mix with them to understand that its a human thing.

comedy? no need to look that far. All you need do is watch a seating of the parliament. Below is an excerpt from a bbc article: A House full of insults

Some of the language has been so insulting that it would cause shock and outrage outside Westminster. But while some of the catcalling is considered par for the course, other remarks - at first seemingly innocuous - incur the wrath of the Speaker and must be withdrawn.

For instance, former Labour MP Martin O'Neill had to take back "without reservation" his description of Tory front-bencher Angela Browning as "a second-rate Miss Marple". She remained remarkably unbothered by the epithet.

Equally, John Major, when Prime Minister, was ordered to withdraw his summing up of Tony Blair, then Opposition leader, as "a dimwit".

Yet the former Labour MP Tony Banks escaped rebuke for accusing Margaret Thatcher of acting "with the sensitivity of a sex-starved boa-constrictor". He also once described - with impunity - the former Tory MP Terry Dicks as "living proof that a pig's bladder on the end of a stick can be elected to Parliament".

Mr Dicks himself once described Scottish football supporters as "those pigs from Scotland" and got away with it.

But accusations of lying always mean expulsion from the chamber unless withdrawn or amended. Only Winston Churchill got away with describing a lie as a "terminological inexactitude".

Labour's Tam Dalyell was twice ejected for calling Margaret Thatcher a liar. On one occasion, after describing her as "a sustained brazen deceiver" he went further, adding: "She is a bounder, a liar, a deceiver, a cheat and a crook." The two of them did not speak to each other for the next 17 years until they "got on famously" when he escorted her at a formal dinner at the Colombian Embassy.

Excerpted from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4511352.stm